Any characters in this game that are inferior versions of others?

GlutenbobGlutenbob Joined: Posts: 149
I read a post on this forum that said "Ryu and Akuma do the same thing that Iron Man does, plus you get the benefit of better normals"

So I was just wondering if there were characters that were inferior versions of other characters in this game.

If so could you guys list them? Thanks
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  • Prime2Prime2 Prophet Among Men Joined: Posts: 129
    Similar characters in the form of
    Better character : Inferior character

    Wesker : Felicia
    Magneto : Iron Man, Storm
    X-23 : Jill
    Spencer : Spiderman
    Haggar : Nemesis
    Hawkeye : Arthur
  • DreizeDreize How quaint... Joined: Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭
    I read a post on this forum that said "Ryu and Akuma do the same thing that Iron Man does, plus you get the benefit of better normals"

    Wait what? :confused:

    Also, to add to Prime2's list.

    Akuma : Ryu
    Doctor Doom : Iron Man
    Nemesis : Ghost Rider
  • AniMoneyAniMoney Joined: Posts: 930 ✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't say Wesker is superior to Felicia. They're both in a similar tier to most people, unless you're still not over the Dark Weskerrrr hype from the first months of this game.

    Magneto: Nova: Ironman
    Dormammu: Deadpool
    Spencer: Captain America
    Zero: Viewtiful Joe
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  • scytheavatarscytheavatar Joined: Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭
    Ironman is not an inferior Magneto, or Ryu, or Akuma. Ironman is an inferior Haggar. Both are supposed to be about controlling space and high priority vs opponents in the air, but Haggar does it better than Ironman.

    And X23 is an inferior Zero.
  • steelersteeler Joined: Posts: 85
    i think you'll find a character is an amalgam of two others, rather than just straight up an inferior version of one.
  • xero15xero15 Follow me on Twitter Joined: Posts: 4,022 ✭✭
    Spencer and Spider are nothing alike. Spencer can't even reach the height and angles Spidey can safely. Get that shit out of here.
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  • GameHovaGameHova O.N.I.F.C. Joined: Posts: 558
    Honestly IMO no character is inferior some just require more time, match, and dedication learning curve why others don't
    Wesker 30mins training - Felicia a month + match up
    Wolverine 5 mins training serious it's 5 fucking mins - X-23 a week
    Spencer and Spider are nothing alike. Spencer can't even reach the height and angles Spidey can safely. Get that shit out of here.
    I hate when people compare Spencer and Spider man they are very different
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  • HaxHax Joined: Posts: 44
    Hidden Missiles : Drones

    in the beginning, Missiles were generally recommended for keepaway while Drones were for rushdown. now, Missiles are turning into the best assist for almost everything, and certainly better than Drones except for on a select few characters.
  • undertheicefloeundertheicefloe The riddle of steel. Joined: Posts: 147 ✭✭
    Dormammu: Deadpool

    The irony here is that Deadpool shits on Dormammu pretty hard
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  • DBARCELONADBARCELONA Joined: Posts: 28
    1Zero 2Firebrand

    1Hawkeye 2Taskmaster

    1Haggar 2She-Hulk

    1Tron Bonne 2Shuma-Gorath 3Hsien-Ko

    1Rocket Raccoon 2Viewtiful Joe 3Arthur
  • AdelheidAdelheid Perfectly Balanced Joined: Posts: 1,309
    1Hawkeye 2Taskmaster

    pffffffkttpffftfslkasjfsdf

    AHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh god I can't even make a coherent response to this bs
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  • DBARCELONADBARCELONA Joined: Posts: 28
    pffffffkttpffftfslkasjfsdf

    AHAHAHAHAHA

    Oh god I can't even make a coherent response to this bs
    Can we get some good criticism I don't see how your helping.
  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Joined: Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭✭
    Zero:Joe
    Ammy:Hsien-Ko
    Doom:Sentinel
    MODOK:PW
    Nemesis:Ghost Rider
    Vergil:Frank
    Thor:Haggar:Tron
    Wolverine:Iron Fist
    Dorm:Phoenix
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  • voodoochild346voodoochild346 RETURN TO DUST!!! Joined: Posts: 95
    1Zero 2Firebrand

    1Hawkeye 2Taskmaster

    1Haggar 2She-Hulk

    1Tron Bonne 2Shuma-Gorath 3Hsien-Ko

    1Rocket Raccoon 2Viewtiful Joe 3Arthur
    i can't believe people still think hawkeye is better than taskmaster almost all tasky's matchups are 5-5 or better. the fact that people who switch from taskmaster to hawkeye when ultimate dropped have switched back tells you something. taskmaster has something for every matchup, hawkeye doesn't.
  • Killa SasaKilla Sasa I've made a huge mistake Joined: Posts: 609
    ITT people post about characters that have similar looking moves with very different applications

    I'm hardpressed to see a character in this game that is close to being the same/"pretty similar" to another. The closest is Ryu/Akuma, and each one's point game alone is pretty different.

    Spider-Man/Spencer is probably the lolliest one.
    • They both have a zip move
    • Both are male
    • Both have light, medium, and hard normals/specials
    End of similarities. After that would be Hawkeye/Taskmaster. Nothing alike outside of both using arrows. Even their similar arrows are applied pretty distinctly.

    i think you'll find a character is an amalgam of two others, rather than just straight up an inferior version of one.

    I think this is more often the case, with an added unique element for each character.
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  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 7,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can we get some good criticism I don't see how your helping.
    The characters are not anything like one another except they both shoot arrows. That's about it.
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  • PongBoomPongBoom land of ice and snow Joined: Posts: 707
    Can we get some good criticism I don't see how your helping.

    He means that your post was so bad he couldn't response. Of course hawkeye and task arent the same, do you even play this game?
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  • DBARCELONADBARCELONA Joined: Posts: 28
    The characters are not anything like one another except they both shoot arrows. That's about it.
    Well they both do cover the same angles on the screen. Only big differences I see are the slide, Spidey's Swing, and specials. Some people compare all of the marvel dash characters and some are way more different than task and hawk. But Yeah I get your point it's not much to compare.
  • Heroic_LegacyHeroic_Legacy Hero of all Theory Fighters Joined: Posts: 1,385
    They don't. Spider-Man can change his momentum at any time with a web swing or just an airdash. Spencer is commited to like, 6 directions once he's going. Spider-Man can start the parabola arcs. Not to mention, Spidey can block during dashing or zipping, Spencer can't until he's completely done. Both do comparable damage off of common starters, but Spencer's abare is so much higher because he can bring people down with him and then 80K.

    Spider-Man also has an overhead that ends in an airdash and is +a bajillion. Spencer's is throwable on block (Don't bring up armor piercer, I'll internet slap you)

    I don't get why people say Spider-Man is a poor version of Spencer. He's a completely separate character in playstyle as he actually requires thought processes and not zip+assist all day.
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  • PongBoomPongBoom land of ice and snow Joined: Posts: 707
    Zero:Joe
    Ammy:Hsien-Ko
    Doom:Sentinel
    MODOK:PW
    Nemesis:Ghost Rider
    Vergil:Frank
    Thor:Haggar:Tron
    Wolverine:Iron Fist
    Dorm:Phoenix

    Wow. This is so bad. Jesus what.
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  • DBARCELONADBARCELONA Joined: Posts: 28
    They don't. Spider-Man can change his momentum at any time with a web swing or just an airdash. Spencer is commited to like, 6 directions once he's going. Spider-Man can start the parabola arcs. Not to mention, Spidey can block during dashing or zipping, Spencer can't until he's completely done. Both do comparable damage off of common starters, but Spencer's abare is so much higher because he can bring people down with him and then 80K.

    Spider-Man also has an overhead that ends in an airdash and is +a bajillion. Spencer's is throwable on block (Don't bring up armor piercer, I'll internet slap you)

    I don't get why people say Spider-Man is a poor version of Spencer. He's a completely separate character in playstyle as he actually requires thought processes and not zip+assist all day.
    It was task and hawk comparison not spidey and Spencer task has a move called Spidey's Swing.
  • PKSkylerPKSkyler Viewtiful and Stylish! Joined: Posts: 6,998
    Whys everyone saying zero is a better joe? Joe outzones Zero unless he uses a meter. Yeah zero has better mix ups and damage but its fuckin zero, might as well say zeros a better everyone than just compare to joe

    Joes a better arthur tho, just not a better anchor.

    I also feel iron mans only point is his assist which is more preference than anything, doom beam and disruptor work fine. Also yes missiles is best assist and its attatched to a better character than drones.
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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Joined: Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow. This is so bad. Jesus what.

    Who do I have wrong and why?
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    Whys everyone saying zero is a better joe? Joe outzones Zero unless he uses a meter. Yeah zero has better mix ups and damage but its fuckin zero, might as well say zeros a better everyone than just compare to joe

    Joes a better arthur tho, just not a better anchor.

    I also feel iron mans only point is his assist which is more preference than anything, doom beam and disruptor work fine. Also yes missiles is best assist and its attatched to a better character than drones.

    Zero has better normals overall, more damage, better hypers, better anti-airs, and gets better assists when he uses his install hyper. Joe just has better meterless zoning, a grounded overhead, and better mobility. Match-ups have nothing to do with it.
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  • PKSkylerPKSkyler Viewtiful and Stylish! Joined: Posts: 6,998
    Zero has better normals overall, more damage, better hypers, better anti-airs, and gets better assists when he uses his install hyper. Joe just has better meterless zoning, a grounded overhead, and better mobility. Match-ups have nothing to do with it.

    Yes zeros a better character but they arnt alike.

    Also desperado is better than rekkoha, slow and sogenmu are non comparable but both are very good, and mach speed is better than genmu zero because its cheaper has a ton of invul and gives a follow up combo. Also joe has much better anti airs, his slow dodge canceled into upper beats a lot and it gives a follow up combo.
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  • DBARCELONADBARCELONA Joined: Posts: 28
    Zero has better hit confirms into kill even tough Joe's game is based around projectile zoning he doesn't have very good damage output. I'd say in high level play his dodge move is something to take into consideration. My comparison was zero and firebrand since they have a pretty similar game plan unlike joe's which most of the time is zone get some hit confirms into super or go in and slow down your enemy.
  • PongBoomPongBoom land of ice and snow Joined: Posts: 707
    Who do I have wrong and why?
    Youve just seen one similarity (modok has shield, same with pw, TEY MUST BE THE SAME) but all of those are wrong completely except for zero and joe (which is a stretch anyways).
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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Joined: Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭✭
    Youve just seen one similarity (modok has shield, same with pw, TEY MUST BE THE SAME) but all of those are wrong completely except for zero and joe (which is a stretch anyways).

    MODOK and PW both have shields, level up mechanics, have self unblockables (I think MODOK has one), and get better hypers when leveled up.
    Ammy and Hsien-Ko both rely on winning with their massive variety of tools and options, have an odd ground dash and have slow airdashes, have a great assist, have reflectors, weak projectiles, and great normals.
    Both Doom and Sentinel are great assist characters with average point play.
    Nemesis and GR both abuse long range normals. Nemesis does have other options to fall back on, unlike GR.
    Vergil and Frank both have stupid normals that lead to great damage. But Frank has to level up to get there.
    Thor, Haggar, and Tron are all grappler/brawler type characters. Thor has real zoning, flight, armor and projectile nullification; Haggar is way less mobile with no projectiles but at least has an invincible move instead of armor. Tron has none of that.
    Wolverine and Iron Fist both deal great damage up close, are very fast, and have good normals. Wolverine, though, has a crossup move and a divekick.
    Dorm and Phoenix both abuse meter and X-Factor to become retarded, but Dorm needs less meter and can live without X-Factor.
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  • xero15xero15 Follow me on Twitter Joined: Posts: 4,022 ✭✭
    They don't. Spider-Man can change his momentum at any time with a web swing or just an airdash. Spencer is commited to like, 6 directions once he's going. Spider-Man can start the parabola arcs. Not to mention, Spidey can block during dashing or zipping, Spencer can't until he's completely done. Both do comparable damage off of common starters, but Spencer's abare is so much higher because he can bring people down with him and then 80K.

    Spider-Man also has an overhead that ends in an airdash and is +a bajillion. Spencer's is throwable on block (Don't bring up armor piercer, I'll internet slap you)

    I don't get why people say Spider-Man is a poor version of Spencer. He's a completely separate character in playstyle as he actually requires thought processes and not zip+assist all day.

    If you go solo combo for solo combo they do roughly the same amount of damage. Spencer starts getting more damage when he has assist that let him chain his upwards grapple due to the unscaled properties of it. As for everything else you're pretty much right plus spidey can at least put something on the screen to cover himself whereas Spencer has to call an assist and still be commited to his movement. Also 1v1 Spidey's normals flat out beat Spencer's on all his major approach points and all of which can lead into 750-800k combos, solo... just saying.
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  • Maverick8Maverick8 99 Souls, but a witch ain't one. Joined: Posts: 2,476
    This thread is terrible. Most all of the characters play differently. It's not a case of being inferior usually. It's normally a case of, "Why play XXX over XXX?" because of tiers. It isn't because they serve the same purpose.


    For instance:

    Wolverine and Magneto don't play alike, but one A LOT of teams you can upgrade it by removing Wolverine and adding Magneto because he uses the tools of the team better. Wolverine is plenty viable and not inferior to Magneto, but he cannot utilize as many assets as Magneto can.
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  • SincereSincere Born Again Jew/Hindu. I'm a Jewdu/Hinjew. Joined: Posts: 170
    Similar characters in the form of
    Better character : Inferior character

    Wesker : Felicia
    Magneto : Iron Man, Storm
    X-23 : Jill
    Spencer : Spiderman
    Haggar : Nemesis
    Hawkeye : Arthur

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    Saw Wesker being compared to Felicia.
    Got cancer, stopped reading.

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  • chachadesmondchachadesmond this micropenis is destroying my life Joined: Posts: 232
    I wouldn't say Wesker is superior to Felicia. They're both in a similar tier to most people, unless you're still not over the Dark Weskerrrr hype from the first months of this game.

    Magneto: Nova: Ironman
    Dormammu: Deadpool
    Spencer: Captain America
    Zero: Viewtiful Joe
    these are all really wrong. thanks for reading
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 7,829 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Everyone is beneath doom and therefore an inferior version of him
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    these are all really wrong. thanks for reading

    Care to explain why they're wrong? You pretty much sound like a troll otherwise.

    Magneto, Nova and Ironman are all tridash/flight characters who mainly have high low mixups and some type of distance/zoning game. But Magneto is superior in both, Nova is a solid rushdown character but not as good as magneto, and Ironman is decent but the worse of the 3.

    Dormammu and Deadpool are both characters with good normals and teleports, and a good fullscreen chip/keep out game backed with the right assists. Dormammu is much more versatile and scary though.

    Spencer and Captain America have different movement but in general they're pressure characters with strong normals, are best with horizontal assists to get in and mixup, and do great damage. They're both pretty straight forward damage dealing characters. Also, they both have very fast supers that are good at punishing bad assist calls and good for random reversals. Spencer is clearly the better character though because of his movement, command grab, and ridiculous corner damage. I can understand if someone doesn't agree with this one but to me they're similar.

    Zero and Joe both annoy you from mid to fullscreen with projectiles and they're superior movement. Up close they're both pretty scrary if they get you into blockstun. Both can easily confirm off of stray hits or assists into combos, and are difficult to get a clean hit on. Joe is better at straight zoning probably but Zero is by far the better character for a ton of reasons (buster, damage, Lightning Loop, incoming mixup, sougomnu unblockables, etc). Plenty of people have also made this comparison.
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  • IcyieIcyie Joined: Posts: 253
    Similar characters in the form of
    Better character : Inferior character

    Wesker : Felicia
    Magneto : Iron Man, Storm
    X-23 : Jill
    Spencer : Spiderman
    Haggar : Nemesis
    Hawkeye : Arthur

    I disagree with Wesker:Felicia and Spencer:Spiderman.

    Felicia is a better anchor IMO, Wesker is a better point char. Spiderman is a mobile annoying little bugger, Spencer is a truck.

    Also there's Wolverine : X23
  • Brewski_420Brewski_420 Jumping S until it works. Joined: Posts: 181
    Ehh the closest thing is Nemesis:Ghost Rider but that's even pretty debatable. If you play the game a lot and see how every character should be played, you will see that some characters are similar but each one has tools that make them different from other characters.
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  • PongBoomPongBoom land of ice and snow Joined: Posts: 707
    MODOK and PW both have shields, level up mechanics, have self unblockables (I think MODOK has one), and get better hypers when leveled up.
    Ammy and Hsien-Ko both rely on winning with their massive variety of tools and options, have an odd ground dash and have slow airdashes, have a great assist, have reflectors, weak projectiles, and great normals.
    Both Doom and Sentinel are great assist characters with average point play.
    Nemesis and GR both abuse long range normals. Nemesis does have other options to fall back on, unlike GR.
    Vergil and Frank both have stupid normals that lead to great damage. But Frank has to level up to get there.
    Thor, Haggar, and Tron are all grappler/brawler type characters. Thor has real zoning, flight, armor and projectile nullification; Haggar is way less mobile with no projectiles but at least has an invincible move instead of armor. Tron has none of that.
    Wolverine and Iron Fist both deal great damage up close, are very fast, and have good normals. Wolverine, though, has a crossup move and a divekick.
    Dorm and Phoenix both abuse meter and X-Factor to become retarded, but Dorm needs less meter and can live without X-Factor.
    They might have similar places in a team, but no one is just a straight up inferior copy of someone else. Example is Doom and sent. How is sent just an inferior doom? Because they both have good assists? Thats literally all your argument is. Your reaching for all of these. Every character in this game is unique and not just an inferior version of another. Picking and choosing select elements from 2 chars and just saying one is inferior because its lower tier is a stretch and doesnt make much sense.

    This isnt smash with Mario and Dr. Mario.
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  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 529 ✭✭
    Wow people are getting cussed out here lol. You're entitled to your opinion, but so are we so be warned! lol

    But seriously, every character is unique, though X-23 is meant to be a clone of Wolverine, Taskmaster has the Cap's shield, Hawkeye's arrows etc.

    I generally classify characters not based on similarities between characters, but rather a general property that said characters may have. For example, when I think about tri-dashers, I think of Magneto, Doom, Dorm, Storm (*). However, I'd say Magneto and Storm are relatively similar when compared to the others (hard loop, attraction/repulsion type moves, instant air lights). But as I think Magneto's better, I'd say Magneto is a better Storm, individuality notwithstanding.

    If I was thinking of durable beam assists, I think of Doom and Iron Man (I know Thor has one too but to be honest he doesn't appear on my radar). Though Unibeam is the more durable assist, it scales much greater than Plasma Beam, and I think Doom's a better character in general. So all in all, though they can both serve the same purpose as assists, so are similar in this respect (despite being totally different characters), I'd say Doom's a better alternative to Iron Man in this regard.

    Same goes for teleporters, otg assists, Ryu/Akuma, whose assist to use out of Taskmaster/Hawkeye(*) etc.

    * 1- these are the only ones I think are worth using i.e. Champ and Fanatiq use

    * 2 - If I want arrow assists, it would come down to how I view the characters individually as I can't see no stand out difference between their arrows
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  • DreizeDreize How quaint... Joined: Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭
    Though Unibeam is the more durable assist, it scales much greater than Plasma Beam.

    Just a head ups, both Uni-beam and Plasma beam scale exactly the same as an assist.

    Both do 8 hits, and both do the same amount of damage.
  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 529 ✭✭
    Just a head ups, both Uni-beam and Plasma beam scale exactly the same as an assist.

    Both do 8 hits, and both do the same amount of damage.

    I messed around with Unibeam and Plasma Beam as assists for Cap (and Wolverine). Unibeam reduced my damage output by over a 100k with Cap, whereas I was still hitting nearer the lower 700k's with Plasma Beam. After that I never went back though I should really double check to make sure... nah Doom's still a better character lol.
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    Honestly, I don't see any character int his game as being an inferior "clone", so to speak. Capcom did a pretty good job of making every character unique. Despite certain characters sharing similar attributes (Mags and IM being Tridashers, for instance), every character has their own unique role.
  • shinquickmanshinquickman Joined: Posts: 962 ✭✭
    I messed around with Unibeam and Plasma Beam as assists for Cap (and Wolverine). Unibeam reduced my damage output by over a 100k with Cap, whereas I was still hitting nearer the lower 700k's with Plasma Beam. After that I never went back though I should really double check to make sure... nah Doom's still a better character lol.
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  • SincereSincere Born Again Jew/Hindu. I'm a Jewdu/Hinjew. Joined: Posts: 170
    Honestly, I don't see any character int his game as being an inferior "clone", so to speak. Capcom did a pretty good job of making every character unique. Despite certain characters sharing similar attributes (Mags and IM being Tridashers, for instance), every character has their own unique role.

    Pretty much this. However, the only two inferior:Superior cloned character is Arthur and Hawkeye. Hawkeye literally fufill's Arthur's Archetype, with having better EVERYTHING. The only real thing that is arguable is the assist.
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  • DreizeDreize How quaint... Joined: Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭
    Pretty much this. However, the only two inferior:Superior cloned character is Arthur and Hawkeye. Hawkeye literally fufill's Arthur's Archetype, with having better EVERYTHING. The only real thing that is arguable is the assist.

    Arthur has a better level 3.
  • australopitecusaustralopitecus Joined: Posts: 512
    Whys everyone saying zero is a better joe? Joe outzones Zero unless he uses a meter. Yeah zero has better mix ups and damage but its fuckin zero, might as well say zeros a better everyone than just compare to joe

    Joes a better arthur tho, just not a better anchor.

    I also feel iron mans only point is his assist which is more preference than anything, doom beam and disruptor work fine. Also yes missiles is best assist and its attatched to a better character than drones.
    Joe isn't a better Arthur...
    Arthur has better assist and is a better anchor, Arthur has better projectiles and his lv3 is very important to his game, Joe does not even have something that's like Arthur's lv3...

    Joe plays much more like Zero than he plays like Arthur imo.

    Hawkeye on the other side could be compared to Arthur, outside of lv3 and High low mixups, Hawkeye is just better at anything.
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  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 529 ✭✭
    Honestly, I don't see any character int his game as being an inferior "clone", so to speak. Capcom did a pretty good job of making every character unique. Despite certain characters sharing similar attributes (Mags and IM being Tridashers, for instance), every character has their own unique role.

    When I said X-23 was a Wolverine clone, I was refering to the comic canon. And I never said she was inferior to him- she defeated Wolverine when they first fought even lol
    THC Hyper Charging Star+Proton Cannon is real dumb, though.

    I'd prefer any almost any other character to DHC into with Cap then Iron Man lol.
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  • shinquickmanshinquickman Joined: Posts: 962 ✭✭
    I'd prefer any almost any other character to DHC into with Cap then Iron Man lol.
    THC, not DHC.
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  • NooneyouknowNooneyouknow Joined: Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭
    Just a head ups, both Uni-beam and Plasma beam scale exactly the same as an assist.

    Both do 8 hits, and both do the same amount of damage.
    Unibeam actually does more damage later in the combo too, since Iron Man has 10% higher minimum damage on specials.
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  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 529 ✭✭
    THC, not DHC.

    My bad O_o that's actually some really good tech. My only reservations are with Iron Man as a character, I just couldn't make him work, and it became even more worthless when he was nerfing my damage with other characters
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  • Zane HitsurugiZane Hitsurugi Unlosing Hero Joined: Posts: 576 ✭✭
    how the hell is Joe an inferior form of Zero?
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