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  • EVIL5150EVIL5150 Joined: Posts: 167
    For the love of all that is sane and good do not pick Chun Li or Ken. The world has seen enough Ken v Ken, Ken v Chun, and Chun v Chun matches that it's become a sad, sick joke.
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  • ekseks ♥ ♥ Joined: Posts: 1,172
    For the love of all that is sane and good do not pick Chun Li or Ken. The world has seen enough Ken v Ken, Ken v Chun, and Chun v Chun matches that it's become a sad, sick joke.

    that mentality doesn't help anyone. don't preach your personal opinion onto others
  • HarmoNazHarmoNaz SBO5 Team UK Joined: Posts: 1,403
    Something I try sometimes (even now) is arrograntly trying to land a move on someone repeatedly even though they won't let me. For example, lets say I want to walk up to someone with Ken and just do a light dragon. The learning curve is getting around all the counters and stuff that the opponent is doing to stop me from doing that dragon. Like maybe they'll start out with max range sweep. So first I have to learn to bait or parry that. Once thats done, they might start throwing out high pokes once I get past their max sweep range. So then I might try and high parry or counter poke to stop them. And so on and so on. Granted - if your opponent is good you'll most probably NEVER get that dragon, but you've learnt A LOT about the system mechanics while trying to land it.

    This sort of thing mainly followed on from my endless attempts to land Raging Demons on people. I've learnt so many OTHER things while trying to get that, I hardly bother with the actual demons anymore - I just use the fear of it to bait out all the counter pokes or jump away attempts.
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  • GoLD-ReaVeRGoLD-ReaVeR Joined: Posts: 585
    I sweep people that don't block:P

    I pretty much said to pick whatever you want to play because of what EVIL5150 stated. But it isn't the fact people have seen Ken v Ken, Chun v Chun or Ken v Chun too much already. It's moreover because everyone 'knows' Ken/Chun and then find out they don't know jack when they face off vs anyone that actually has these chars as their main.

    Don't get me wrong, Ken and Chun are by far the easiest and safest characters to get into, but to play anything real with them is just a different story. This simply means that when it comes down to actual match play you should get into what you are comfortable with and not what's 'supposed to be the better character of the game'.
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  • CoddfishCoddfish I need a new title. Joined: Posts: 97
    I sweep people that don't block:P

    I pretty much said to pick whatever you want to play because of what EVIL5150 stated. But it isn't the fact people have seen Ken v Ken, Chun v Chun or Ken v Chun too much already. It's moreover because everyone 'knows' Ken/Chun and then find out they don't know jack when they face off vs anyone that actually has these chars as their main.

    Don't get me wrong, Ken and Chun are by far the easiest and safest characters to get into, but to play anything real with them is just a different story. This simply means that when it comes down to actual match play you should get into what you are comfortable with and not what's 'supposed to be the better character of the game'.


    So I'm not crazy for picking up Ibuki since I've started playing this? (about 3 days ago >_> finally got round to importing it). I hear a lot of talk about how she's a difficult character to play because you need to know about all the characters and what they will do to you.
  • MODMOD なん でも EZ Babay Joined: Posts: 833
    So I'm not crazy for picking up Ibuki since I've started playing this? (about 3 days ago >_> finally got round to importing it). I hear a lot of talk about how she's a difficult character to play because you need to know about all the characters and what they will do to you.

    wells its not that really, shes pretty gimmicky if you ask me. it just that you will lose if you fuck up. and top tiers will rape you sometimes, even if you play great.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    So I'm not crazy for picking up Ibuki since I've started playing this? (about 3 days ago >_> finally got round to importing it). I hear a lot of talk about how she's a difficult character to play because you need to know about all the characters and what they will do to you.

    ibuki's only good for getting raped
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I just have some questions regarding some of the terminology and what they mean.

    1.Kara?
    2.Negative Edging
  • MixahMixah Joined: Posts: 8,130
    I just have some questions regarding some of the terminology and what they mean.

    1.Kara?
    2.Negative Edging

    1. "empty"... refers to cancelling a move before it even comes out... i can explain better with an example... kara throw with chun li would be... :mk:~:lp:+:lk:... you have about 10 or so frames to cancel into the throw. what that does is take the first few frames from her s.mk, which moves her body forward, and makes you have longer reach on your throw. Chun's Kara throw is NASTY BTW... Akuma, is a little more tricky, in the sense that you have to hit :r:+:mp:~:lp:+:lk:. You can kara a special attack as well. For example, take Makoto. You can easily Kara her Karakusa grab. If you're outside of her :lk: range, whiff the :lk: and cancel it into the grab. she will take an extra step forward and grab you.

    2. Negative edge is simple... instead of doing a hadoken like this... :qcf:+:hp:, hold :hp:, then do :qcf: + let go of :hp: congratulations, you just did a negative edge hadouken. There's a few uses for it... If you do ken's double dragon punch combo, it's easier to neg edge the second one. In Marvel, you can NE Sentinels Flight mode for really fast fly / unfly transitions... if you go to activate a super, and "piano" the respective punches or kicks, you will, thanks to negative edge, have six chances to have properly tapped the button at the right time.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Ah, thanks for the explanations. Regarding kara/empty, do all players have a way of doing this or just the ones you've listed?

    When I watch some of the videos of the pros playing, it seems their moves connect really fast, for example: Ken's crouch mk to a DP or, Ken's crouch mk to a SAIII, Ken's strong, fierce (double dragon punch?), DP/fireball-->SAIII, Chuns poke to a SAII. I figure that them being pros, they are really good at negative edging at the right time between the right frames with these combos?
  • MixahMixah Joined: Posts: 8,130
    err
    what that is...

    ok...
    do a C.:mk: with ken... ok...
    while he's in the frames of doing the kick, do his super... if it whiffs, and you did the super fast enough, you wont do the super... but, if it hits, then it will do the super. caution... it will do the super if they block or parry it too.

    that's how they do it so fast
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  • kof4lifekof4life Joined: Posts: 507
    THis is according to the Japanese match up charts. Take note that the japanese are insane with the "top tier" characters. Ryu is considered 9 because the other shotos have alot more speed with only a small power compromise. Also, comparing the movesets of each of the characters and the different crossups/ cancels/ SA's and speed in general, Akuma (Gouki) and Ken outclass Ryu. Of course, this is only a statistical chart. So, an excellent Ryu player can still control a fight, but isn't nearly as versatile as one of the other shotos. (Though Ryu has some devastating set ups and combos. I prefer doing a normal attack, throwing out a hadoken, and then canceling into SA II). But then again, alot of people have always considered Ken better than Ryu and, up until SF3. Akuma was damn near invincible. But hey, if you want to play ryu, then play as Ryu. Maybe its up for one of the Ryu masters at this forum to move him up from 9th. Also, maybe if there were MORE Ryu players, he would move up much higher.

    I used Ryu for a while,and I'll say this: His problem is,like you mentioned,that lack of variety,coupled with a slight lack of speed. I play as both him and Ken, and Ken feels that much safer when it comes to going on the offense. As Ryu, even my slightest miss is punished heavily.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    anyone know if the jp version of anniversary collection contains 3s as well?
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,393 mod
    For the love of all that is sane and good do not pick Chun Li or Ken. The world has seen enough Ken v Ken, Ken v Chun, and Chun v Chun matches that it's become a sad, sick joke.

    Actually I say pick them all you want. I dont want anyone else learning Ibuki. Top tiers aren't going to go away and without people using them there's really no incentive to learn the other characters any ways. You've gotta know how to beat the best if you want to win any ways.

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  • GoLD-ReaVeRGoLD-ReaVeR Joined: Posts: 585
    So I'm not crazy for picking up Ibuki since I've started playing this? (about 3 days ago >_> finally got round to importing it). I hear a lot of talk about how she's a difficult character to play because you need to know about all the characters and what they will do to you.

    Everyone is crazy in his own way, that's what makes humans so damn great:D Seriously: if you want to play Ibuki, by all means you should. She indeed is a pretty difficult character(I don't even know how to play her), but that's something you will only face when you start out with that character. Once you get to know how to play the character and the game she will probably turn out fine.
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  • JidaJida Young Bison Face Joined: Posts: 731
    anyone know if the jp version of anniversary collection contains 3s as well?

    Yeah. I believe that's the one they used at Evo2k4 (when Daigo went crazy).

    Also, Ibuki=Style. That is all.
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  • Hol HorseHol Horse a.k.a. Fugo ~ イタリアの強大なユリアン Joined: Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Evo2k4 was still cps3 (plugged w a supergun instead of arcade cabinet). Japanese PS2 3s (which only exists stand-alone afaik) was out for like 2 weeks at the time of Evo2k4 and it wasn't tested enough to be sure if it was viable for a tournament.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Yeah. I believe that's the one they used at Evo2k4 (when Daigo went crazy).

    Also, Ibuki=Style. That is all.

    thanks, didn't see the post update till now. is this version closest to the arcade? or is dc closer?
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    thanks, didn't see the post update till now. is this version closest to the arcade? or is dc closer?

    The PS2/XBOX versions are better than DC and are used in major tourneys.
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  • skd1337skd1337 Joined: Posts: 44
    the stuff i read on here was good on the first page - like the guy talking about teaching people 3s - beginner level makes sense - would love to hear the next level. Also i really wouldnt mind the 2nd part of the 3s vid from thongboy :D
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  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    ^ Don't count on that video. That shit's like Duke Nukem Forever.
    i just stared at beast for 5 minutes.... hes looking right at me
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  • alchemist78alchemist78 chillingest nigga of the year: 2008&2011. Joined: Posts: 299
    so should I go out and buy the ps2 version?

    (I have sf3:3s on xbox so I can play on xbox live)

    and is there a recommended vid of kara'ing?
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  • ekseks ♥ ♥ Joined: Posts: 1,172
    so should I go out and buy the ps2 version?

    (I have sf3:3s on xbox so I can play on xbox live)

    and is there a recommended vid of kara'ing?

    nah man, the xbox version is fine
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    and is there a recommended vid of kara'ing?

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ox-YSWw5GsE
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Can someone explain Red Parry to me?
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Can someone explain Red Parry to me?

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4041092&postcount=2

    It's in there. Some other crap, too.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    How do I perform a 720? I think one of the first characters I want to learn is Hugo. But a few of his moves requires 360s and 720s (SA1). How the hell can I do these? I can't even do a 360 or 720 with all the time in the world - let alone under pressure. I'm using a 360 Controller on MAME and I was wondering if the 360 d-pad is just too inefficient for Street Fighter?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    although Ive just started playing this Ive found myself good with Ibuki and Akuma especially with Ibuki I dont rush or nothin I just take my time and succeed.
  • ThrowTheDiceThrowTheDice Yahooey! Joined: Posts: 246
    This is just something I've always wondered. How come in so many SF3 match videos, the players wait until the last second to pick their character/SA? As if anyone really believes that the Chun player is going to switch from SAII to SAIII at the last second.
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  • HenakiHenaki Joined: Posts: 2,661
    This is just something I've always wondered. How come in so many SF3 match videos, the players wait until the last second to pick their character/SA? As if anyone really believes that the Chun player is going to switch from SAII to SAIII at the last second.
    In casuals if someone decides to pick Sean or something I'll switch to Tyrant Slaughter. It actually matters for some characters (Oro, Ryu, Yang, Necro, Makoto, Q) to change super art based on matchup. Some people do counterpick in tournies too.
  • epsilon_epsilon_ helpful Joined: Posts: 3,582
    This is just something I've always wondered. How come in so many SF3 match videos, the players wait until the last second to pick their character/SA? As if anyone really believes that the Chun player is going to switch from SAII to SAIII at the last second.
    just wasting time/thinking about what's coming up.
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  • GoLD-ReaVeRGoLD-ReaVeR Joined: Posts: 585
    nerving your opponents is also a possibility.
    I will win. Eventually...

    Starcraft II is gonna be imbalanced: Terrans get Chuck.
  • EckostyleEckostyle Those were some desperate dudes! Joined: Posts: 932
    Any general tips on getting out of a corner? A friend of mine destroys my Ken in the corner with dive kicks/BnB combos/etc like crazy. I can occasionally parry > lp srk my way out of it, or just turtle.
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  • MagnetoManiacMagnetoManiac EX MagMan™ Joined: Posts: 6,697
    Any general tips on getting out of a corner? A friend of mine destroys my Ken in the corner with dive kicks/BnB combos/etc like crazy. I can occasionally parry > lp srk my way out of it, or just turtle.

    get comfortable in the corner for now. escapes are throwing backwards (smartly) and if ur ken, sj ex tatsu out.

    not on wakeup, but if you know ur opponent well enough you can parry -> sa3 a poke if he does it often, then sj to him on his wakeup and meaty/mixup all that.
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  • GoLD-ReaVeRGoLD-ReaVeR Joined: Posts: 585
    HP srk the divekicks. And you can jump out rather then tech a throw. Otherwise you should block and push him out.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hi i'm looking to start playing 3s, I just dunno what character to learn first?
    I hear yun, chun, and ken are top tiers.
    I was looking to learn a good poke character, like twelve until i heard he was bottom tier. any ideas on a good starting character
    Start the one you want to play with, that's all what's important really.
    chun li is the best poke character in the game.
    Ken is pretty good too...
    though not as gifted as chun, he can link into super through many of his pokes easily...
    but dont jump on the bandwagon... pick whoever you find interesting and cool
    For the love of all that is sane and good do not pick Chun Li or Ken. The world has seen enough Ken v Ken, Ken v Chun, and Chun v Chun matches that it's become a sad, sick joke.

    On picking a character i pretty much agree with "pick whoever you want". Don't forget though that on your way to finding that "main" character, learn the top tiers well since you will definitely be facing a lot of them. If on the way to finding that main character you happen to enjoy using one of the top tiers, good for you mate.

    Another thing that works for me is actually using one top tier character and one "fun" character. In 3rd strike my main is Chunli while my fun character is Dudley or Alex. This way i am not missing out on the cheeziness of a top tier while still enjoying casual games with another character.


    Oh, and although there are many Kens, Chuns, and Yuns; the best are still distinguished from each other. Basically your style of play will leave your mark. So don't be afraid of being unoriginal by picking a character that maybe used to death.


    Good luck.
  • JidaJida Young Bison Face Joined: Posts: 731
    How do I perform a 720? I think one of the first characters I want to learn is Hugo. But a few of his moves requires 360s and 720s (SA1). How the hell can I do these? I can't even do a 360 or 720 with all the time in the world - let alone under pressure. I'm using a 360 Controller on MAME and I was wondering if the 360 d-pad is just too inefficient for Street Fighter?

    Yes it is. You need a joystick. I'll reccomend starting out with a Hori Real Arcade Pro (HRAP) or a Sanwa (what Japanese people use/beast with). There are other sections on shoryuken dedicated to this sort of matter.
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  • SarutaruSarutaru Joined: Posts: 21
    Hi, I'm relatively new to 3S (I've had the game for forever but I never bothered getting good) and I'm trying to get my skills up so I can play competitively. I just have one question.

    What the hell do all the abbreviation infront of the moves mean? like c.mk xx SAIII for Ken is obviously Down and Medium Kick then cancel or link or w/e into Shippu but what do the other mean? like s.mp etc etc?
  • bodlerbodler The Unmixupable Joined: Posts: 1,074
    on who and in what conditons does short short shoryu works?
  • ellesdellesd Joined: Posts: 212
    on who and in what conditons does short short shoryu works?
    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4343649&postcount=5
    What the hell do all the abbreviation infront of the moves mean? like c.mk xx SAIII for Ken is obviously Down and Medium Kick then cancel or link or w/e into Shippu but what do the other mean? like s.mp etc etc?

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