SFXT: Online Tournament Series - Bi-Weeklies!

Half-Ro

Alright rules and first date seems to be decided upon. Join up with the SXT Online Tournament Series (OTS). All information tournaments are in 2nd post.

I really enjoy this game and I know that I am obviously not alone. What I would like to do to help contribute to the community is throw bi-weekly(?) Tournaments for the the individuals on live (looking for volunteers on pc/psn if wanted). They will be free to enter and I will even work on recording matches (winners, losers, grand finals). I would love to just see this game grow and progress through this rough patch it is in.

We can decide dates and times but, for right now I want to see what people think about experimenting with gems ON for some of the events (maybe for the first 5 events)? Capcom repeatedly reminds us that the game was designed with gems in mind and considering it would be an online tournament series, time constraints are FAR less of an issue than offline events.

This also purposes that we come up with a common list of accepted and banned gems. I would prefer, personnaly that we do not allow the defense and throw tech gems off the bat but up to the community. Also are there any other questionable gems that we should be concerned of?

Anyways, this was a passing thought of mine while reading through the evo sxt thread :X. I will be doing lots of online gaming in the next few months so, might as well support a game I enjoy quite a bit.

IRC Connection tutorials:
There are a few options for connecting to IRC via PC. I am going list a few here (there are so many variations) and a quick tutorial with pictures.

EFNET
Step 1: put http://www.efnet.org in your browser bar and hit enter.
It will take you to EFNET irc web based client.

Step 2:
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In the upper left hand corner, input the handle (name) you would like to go by in the chat and enter the channel (room) you would like to enter.

In the example, I put my own nick "Halfro" in the nickname section and "#sfxt" in the channel section. After entering your information, click the "Login" button and it will take you to the connect page.

Step 3:
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Click the "connect" button in the middle of the screen. A bit redundant since we have already hit login on the previous page but hey, its free right? lol

Step 4:
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Chat to your hearts content! You have completed all the steps and should be able to chat with everyone else in the room at the time.

Mibbit
Step 1: You can either enter http://www.mibbit.com OR you can click the following link http://client02.chat.mibbit.com/?server=irc.Mibbit.Net&channel=#Mibbit . I will put instructions from either or just so people can navigate to the chat.

Step 1.5:
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If you went to the mibbit home page, you will come to the screen above. You will need to click one of top channel links in the grey bar under the frog.

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I typically just click the first link "#mibbit" in that area, it really does not matter which one you click you are just trying to get to the next page.

Step 2:
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This is the page is your next step to logging on. There are two tabs in the upper left hand corner. You are going to want to click on the "Home" tab so that you can log into other channels and servers.

Step 2.5:
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First thing you are going to want to do is connect to the correct server of our chat room. There are a few that will give you access but, I usually use EFNET. From the "Connect" drop down menu you should select "EFNet" as pictured.

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Next you will want to enter your nickname you wish to go by in the "Nick" section and the Channel (room) you would like to enter which is #sfxt. From there hit "connect". This will bring up 2 new tabs at the top of the screen. One will be of the server that you connected too and the other is the room that you have entered.

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There you have it, you can now chat. Have at it!

I personally like mibbit because of it's youtube function allowing you to watch videos while still in the chat.

MIRC Step 1: Download Mirc here: http://www.mirc.com/

Step 2: Install the program and start it up.

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Step 3: Start the program and this is the first screen you will see. First thing you want to do is click the the "file" option in the upper left hand corner as pictured. In the file options, select "select server" from the choices.

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Step 4: A small box will pop up with various options. Click the "Connect" option at the top of the left hand panel. It will bring up the option to put in your nick name. Choose whatever you like. Then Click the "servers" option next.

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Step 5: Select "EFnet" from the options in the server choices and select a specific server (I typically just choose random unless I am having issues connecting, choose whichever works best for you). Select the "OK" button.

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Step 6: Hit the connect button (which sort of looks like a lightning bolt) which is directly under the file option in the top left the screen. It will eventually connect for you and will bring up the screen in the picture. This is the last step, just add the rooms you would like to join: #sfxt , #capcom, #efltalk, #snkplaymore, whatever you are trying to join (cross tekken room in this case).

Half-Ro

What: SXT OTS (Online Tournament Series)
When:
What time:
Where: Xbox Live and Playstation Network

We will have two different leagues for obvious reasons (LIVE / PSN).
Live: Co-hosted by Halfro and SGLeroy
Psn: Hosted by Ggyppt and Koji

For Your Information:
You need to check in and let me know that you are joining the tournament! Meet with up with everyone else on IRC. We are on EFnet in the #SFXT room. If you are new to IRC, no problem. I have posted some IRC tutorials on how to get into the #SFXT room with pictures above. Check those out if you are having issues getting in.

We are going to try allowing 1v1, 2v1 and 2v2 all in the same tournament for this first event. If you have teammates, all the same rules apply. Make sure you let myself know that you are running a team for the tournament and the team name.

RULES:
1.Gems Allowed with following exceptions:
1a. No assist or vitality changing gems.
1b. If you are found using assist or vitality changing gems (pretty obvious based on the flash produced when they are activated), you will be asked to remove them and take a loss for the game. If you already had one loss, you will lose that match. If you are found using them again after the first initial instance, you will be kicked from the tournament (just that one).
1c. The presets in the 2013 are the only gems allowed in tournament play.

2. All characters are allowed

3. No game breaking glitches (running the clock with glitched characters, freezing the game etc)

4. 1v1 2v1 2v2, double elimination, default time, default damage. 2/3 until finals, 3/5 grand finals.
If you are doing teams, make sure you and your partner are available and ready to play.

5. Winner(s) of a match must select the same characters and same order they chose previous game. The loser of the last match is allowed to switch characters and order if desired.

6. If the instance arrives where two people meet and their connection is UNPLAYABLE after multiple attempts, we can do a coin flip for the winner. Sounds bad but, some things just can't be helped.

This is open to our international friends PROVIDING THE CONNECTION IS GOOD BETWEEN PLAYERS. Everyone matched up can decided that on a case by case basis. This is a UNITED STATES BASED tournament series though so, the US players would receive favor if there are any connection issues.

Hanzo_Hasashi

What about letting the DEFAULT gems on?

(BTW I erased all the default gems, HOW I can reset that again so that everyone has their default Gems? XD)

kojibeoulve

Also, the free downloadable gems. I feel like those should be allowed if only because anyone can get em for no cost. I would also normally say no assist gems, but they've been nerfed to absolute oblivion so I don't feel there's any point in banning them.

Half-Ro

What I would like to have happen with these tournaments is a. people start experimenting more with the game be it characters or just the engine itself and b. help to give a "venue" for people to meet other like minded "serious" players that love playing and also want to see the game grow.

I really don't mind if the gems are on or off, either way. I just realized that I really don't know anything about them and how they affect the game one way or the other outside of the defensive gems being used against me. I never took any time to really mess with them or how they could benefit my teams etc.

kojibeoulve

The dlc gems so far from what I've seen don't really provide that much of a boost. It's mostly just different conditions of activation. the auto gems used to be a huge problem, and now they're virtually nonexistent. As for being of use in a team, it just varies on the person and the playstyle. Personally, I like attack and meter gems, and I try to make the activation coincide with my combos.

s3anmik3

I think we should just ban assist gems for the first tournament and see how it comes out from there and see how it turns out. If there's anything that needs to be changed just change it for the next tourney

roknin

I second an assist gem ban, with the exception of the Cross Assault and Pandora Extend gems.

Jamp

Personally I'd go with no gems, but considering people will be able to just set up their gem sets beforehand, might as well allow everything but Assist gems.

Psychoblue

Jamp, post: 7390104, member: 30666 wrote:

Personally I'd go with no gems, but considering people will be able to just set up their gem sets beforehand, might as well allow everything but Assist gems.

The no-gem rule I think really limits the game as well as player creativity. Boost Gems and Gimmick Assists are fine, and the Auto-gems are so nerfed that I don't think anyone who did these would use them anyway.

Asica

Hell yes, with boost gems on.

Maverick Hunter X

Boost gems are just fine.

kojibeoulve, post: 7389284, member: 75083 wrote:

but they've been nerfed to absolute oblivion so I don't feel there's any point in using them.

Much better. :D

The Lone Dragon

I say just let everything rock. All gems.

Those are the rules for Capcom's own tourneys.

Auto-gems got nerfed, so why not.

roknin

The Lone Dragon, post: 7390687, member: 4398 wrote:

I say just let everything rock. All gems.

Those are the rules for Capcom's own tourneys.

Auto-gems got nerfed, so why not.

I thought they banned auto-gems outright? Or did they change that once they were nerfed?

I'd still be against them in a tournament environment, even with the nerfs honestly. If you're playing in a tourney you should be able to block/tech on your own, online or not, regardless of meter requirements.

Vicioushellsing

correction, capcoms own tourneys are all gems except for auto block and auto tech. Both of which are easy enough to see if someone is using unless they never have to block or tech during their matches. Still I would totally be up for entering these tournaments and think it is a great idea.

The Lone Dragon

I meant the most recent Japan online tourney:

http://shoryuken.com/2012/08/10/street-fighter-25th-anniversary-tournament-in-japan-announced/

Nothing is banned in these.

Personally, I'm not a fan of auto-gems, but I'm just thinking in terms of enforcement it might be a pain if someone who doesn't know the rules picks them or something.

Union

I think this would be awesome. I live in England and tournaments are either rare or a complete pain to get to. As for gems I don't see the harm in allowing the free downloadable gems. I would prefer no assist gems but with how badly they have been nerfed I don't think it would be a deal breaker if they were used.

To be honest at this point, if you are using an assist gem it pretty much tells me how to exploit you as a player and with how much meter it eats, I think I would rather throw someone twice or use some random overheads just to deny you the meter.

Either way I'm good for this. And just in case this becomes a thing.

Gamertag: Union Garside

roknin

The Lone Dragon, post: 7390715, member: 4398 wrote:

Personally, I'm not a fan of auto-gems, but I'm just thinking in terms of enforcement it might be a pain if someone who doesn't know the rules picks them or something.

Wouldn't be that bad to enforce though would it? If they're spotted in a match using auto-gems, instant DQ. The rules would be outlined ahead of time anyway, so barring a language barrier, participants should be responsible for knowing what's allowed and what's not.

EDIT: I'm not worried either way, mind you. If everyone's comfortable with it or it does make it run smoother then it's cool with me. :)

kojibeoulve

I'm okay if my opponent wants to use assist gems. All it means is he gets no way to safe tag while I have all the time in the world to dissect him.

SF-Zero2

You could set the matches to be played in the Endless Battle with a player hosting/spectating to make sure gems are legit(I'm pretty sure you can see what gems a player is using by looking at their player card). Plus that Endless setup immediately puts all the matches into the host player's Battle Log(for recording purposes)

roknin

I suppose a good compromise is to allow them when starting off, and if it does become a problem start banning them.

Double-elim? Single-elim?

EDIT: You know what? Not worth it.

Kyosuke NEO

I'm fine with rocking boost gems, if nothing else. I wonder if we should take lag into account for this? I would imagine you would just have suck up it, but, what if it just totally unplayable?

roknin

Kyosuke NEO, post: 7391161, member: 15608 wrote:

I'm fine with rocking boost gems, if nothing else. I wonder if we should take lag into account for this? I would imagine you would just have suck up it, but, what if it just totally unplayable?

Probably have to just suck it up, unless both players feel it's completely unplayable.

One way we could try to mitigate that is perhaps having tourneys set by region?

kojibeoulve

Doing it by region should be safest for now. Also, I think a double elimination would be good. So are we going to have it all done in one day or are we going to have the tourney over a period of time?

Half-Ro

I finally took some time to read over the gems and what they do. Overall, I would vote to ban assist gems. I am in the old school line of thought that you practice and execute anything you need to or want to do. If that is blocking, breaking throws, or doing specials or cancels. I would like to keep the games as "honest" as they can be. Same goes for the Vitality gems (if they are even available unsure), that straight up changes the dynamic of the game where managing your life bar is the primary premise. I didn't notice that the speed, attack, defense gems were really overbearing at all so, I would vote allow all of those.

As was stated before, having the ability to have everyone already be set up (gem wise) and team wise before the tournament even begins really negates any of the time issues associated with them typically. The one time online play really comes through for us all trying to experiment. The format would be 2/3 and again because we can ALL play at once, it SHOULDN'T take us too long to run an even reasonably sized tournament with proper reporting (maybe we will use like IRC or something similar to streamline the process and have an active chat).

My proposed preliminary rules list:

1.Gems Allowed with following exceptions:
1a. No assist or vitality changing gems.
1b. If you are found using these gems (pretty obvious based on the flash produced when they are activated), you will be asked to remove them and take a loss for the game. If you already had one loss, you will lose that match. If you are found using them again after the first initial instance, you will be kicked from the tournament (just that one).
1c. To help with the overall speed of the tournament, please have all of your gems PRESET for your characters.

2. All characters are allowed

3. No game breaking glitches (running the clock with glitched characters, freezing the game etc)

4. Double elimination, default time, default damage. 2/3 until finals, 3/5 grand finals.

5. If the instance arrives where two people meet and their connection is UNPLAYABLE after multiple attempts, we can do a coin flip for the winner. Sounds bad but, some things just can't be helped.

roknin

The only thing I think needs to be ironed out further for the basic rules is no. 5 - coin flip could be all kinds of trouble. I would say to match them up with others but that could cause issues too since if both players were to in they could meet up again in finals.

Liking everything else though - although, will the Pandora Extend and Cross Assault gems be banned as well? Those seem fair to me.

Half-Ro

roknin, post: 7391710, member: 51740 wrote:

The only thing I think needs to be ironed out further for the basic rules is no. 5 - coin flip could be all kinds of trouble. I would say to match them up with others but that could cause issues too since if both players were to in they could meet up again in finals.

Liking everything else though - although, will the Pandora Extend and Cross Assault gems be banned as well? Those seem fair to me.

Thing is that once a bracket is created in most programs, it is a pain in the ass to move people around. I think for the first tournaments, we will figure out who can't play who and keep track, then we can seed those players away from each other, etc.

The pandora and cross assault gems don't seem that bad to me either, if people want them, I don't mind. We can try them out until there is a problem with them (if one arises).

DevilJin 01

This game is just sounding way too much like Smash. At least you can just jump in and play SFIV or UVMC3 without having to worry about this crap.



Eh...past it having too many mechanics of and generally looking too much like SFIV for me...I'll have to try it out though. I hear the online is alright any way. Chun Li/Nina team sounds kinda fun.

roknin

Half-Ro, post: 7391717, member: 2107 wrote:

Thing is that once a bracket is created in most programs, it is a pain in the ass to move people around. I think for the first tournaments, we will figure out who can't play who and keep track, then we can seed those players away from each other, etc.

Ah, I see what you mean. That's true.

roknin

DevilJin 01, post: 7391723, member: 1242 wrote:

This game is just sounding way too much like Smash. At least you can just jump in and play SFIV or UVMC3 without having to worry about this crap.

Not really - it's not like we have to do stage selection rules or item selection and such. As long as people set their gems beforehand (and they have to actually, gem quick selection doesn't work online), it's pretty painless. In fact without having to use the dial system it's probably about equal to UMvC3's character selection (character + assist type x 3).

DevilJin 01

roknin, post: 7391882, member: 51740 wrote:

Not really - it's not like we have to do stage selection rules or item selection and such. As long as people set their gems beforehand (and they have to actually, gem quick selection doesn't work online), it's pretty painless. In fact without having to use the dial system it's probably about equal to UMvC3's character selection (character + assist type x 3).

Yeah I guess as long as it's universally agreed on it's not bad but...eh. I just need to start playing it so I can get those images of gemless Evo out of my head and see what else the game is about.

Half-Ro

DevilJin 01, post: 7391723, member: 1242 wrote:

This game is just sounding way too much like Smash. At least you can just jump in and play SFIV or UVMC3 without having to worry about this crap.



Eh...past it having too many mechanics of and generally looking too much like SFIV for me...I'll have to try it out though. I hear the online is alright any way. Chun Li/Nina team sounds kinda fun.

I was trying to keep the rule set as intuitive and easy as possible. That is also why I was searching for input. Thankfully, it seems that just certain categories of gems are more of a problem than certain gems within each type so we can make a sweeping ban and be done with it. Ban assist gems and vitality gems, everything else is game. No worse than ban akuma, turbo 3 imo lol.

Also that chun/nina team does sound fun, you will have pretty good overhead set ups with chun rapid kicks tag cancelled to nina.

kojibeoulve

At the end of the day, I don't expect gems to be that much of an issue. Most everyone online has stopped using assist gems, and there are plenty of people who prefer playing without gems anyway.

roknin

kojibeoulve, post: 7392369, member: 75083 wrote:

At the end of the day, I don't expect gems to be that much of an issue. Most everyone online has stopped using assist gems, and there are plenty of people who prefer playing without gems anyway.

This is true. I don't think I've run into an assist gem user since like, day 1 the patch - aside from Pandora/Cross extend, which make sense.

guy986

I dont use assist or vitality gems myself but i think we ought to allow everything the first time just to see how it goes. Like others i havent seen too many autoblock users since the patch. Its not a big deal at all.

Vicioushellsing

When it comes to playing against someone who you just have an absolutely terrible connection to. You have to keep in mind that they have a terrible connection to you too. Both of you are lagging. There shouldn't be some added rule. The connection lags for both players so just play it out and whoever wins wins.

Half-Ro

Vicioushellsing, post: 7392632, member: 34554 wrote:

When it comes to playing against someone who you just have an absolutely terrible connection to. You have to keep in mind that they have a terrible connection to you too. Both of you are lagging. There shouldn't be some added rule. The connection lags for both players so just play it out and whoever wins wins.

That rule was specifically for people in unplayable connections. In the same vein as "hey it is online what can you do?", that is what the rule is for. Sometimes you just won't get a even semi-playable connection with some people. In that scenario, who moves forward and who doesn't? Coin flip is the fairest thing I could think of and I have been privy to the rule before with HDR tournaments back in the day. There shouldn't be any hurt feelings for a free, ONLINE tournament imo.

roknin

Half-Ro, post: 7392663, member: 2107 wrote:

That rule was specifically for people in unplayable connections. In the same vein as "hey it is online what can you do?", that is what the rule is for. Sometimes you just won't get a even semi-playable connection with some people. In that scenario, who moves forward and who doesn't? Coin flip is the fairest thing I could think of and I have been privy to the rule before with HDR tournaments back in the day. There shouldn't be any hurt feelings for a free, ONLINE tournament imo.

This is true. Hopefully that doesn't occur but you never know, there's always that one match where the connection is so bad it may as well be a slide show.

kojibeoulve

So should we have like a sign up thread or something like that so that way we know who's interested for the tournament?

SimSimIV

Is this America only? I have pretty good connections with quite a lot of Americans even though I am Norwegian.

Union

Well SimSim at least we got two people for a Europe based tournament. I have friends from Canada and America on my friends list and I have good connections with them so I would be up for playing with NA just might have to have a lag test first maybe? I'll leave the details to whoever organises.

kojibeoulve

Are we going to allow 1v2, 2v2, and 1v1 in this tournament?

Swoops

I'd be so down for a PSN version

Bunnycap

My body is ready.

J0E LEWIS

Sure I like this idea


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roknin

kojibeoulve, post: 7396216, member: 75083 wrote:

Are we going to allow 1v2, 2v2, and 1v1 in this tournament?

Hmm... interesting question. My thoughts on that are to try it out for the first one, and then see how it goes from there. Could be quite interesting.

Thoughts?

Juri_kills_friend!

i'm down with that. Money Inc hitting the network and rocking people's face off =D

kojibeoulve

I'm with roknin, and then we tighten things up as we go along.

RedVega

Juri_kills_friend!, post: 7396755, member: 32051 wrote:

i'm down with that. Money Inc hitting the network and rocking people's face off =D

You're money inc from the nyc 25th tourney?? If so, I was rooting a lot for you, good showing man!

mega_buster

personally I am done with sfxt,since I am playing afew other games right now and dont have time to play/wait till its fixed,but its still possible for sfxt to live if people would show up to major's and locals I mean I think it needs at least 30-40 players at locals and 200 or more for majors

Juri_kills_friend!

RedVega, post: 7396760, member: 49331 wrote:

You're money inc from the nyc 25th tourney?? If so, I was rooting a lot for you, good showing man!

yup, that was me. ^^;;;
thanks. I hope it was entertaining to watch. I swear sometimes my matches go to the wire and are so close. I really don't mean them to be that way but somehow it just ends up that way. Btw beating team Rufus/chun, best feeling ever >=D