Is it OK to blame it on the lag?

Xr0s-upXr0s-up Goomy!!!Joined: Posts: 519 ✭✭✭
Topic.

I live on the other side of the world and fighting games players are rare to find. So I'm usually resorted to playing Mexican, Americans and Canadians. Usually, when I play online, I lag like hell. I'm very new to online play and play it rarely so lag is something I'm not used to entirely.
I think it's ok to blame it on the lag. But after a while, if you still lose, then you only got yourself to blame.

My record is 0 wins and 5-7 losses
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  • tatakitataki Non-SF4/MVC3 FG news: twitter.com/#!/novriltataki Joined: Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The solution is to not play marvel online. Play a different game since other games work better and save marvel for offline only.
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  • Xr0s-upXr0s-up Goomy!!! Joined: Posts: 519 ✭✭✭
    already doing that. But it's hard to measure myself since my friend isn't serious about playing this.
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  • UroboricUroboric Joined: Posts: 180
    Lag should make the game much more random rather than just causing you to lose every match. Some cheap tactics do become viable with lag, but unless that's all you're facing I don't think you can blame your losses on it.

    I wouldn't bother playing online if there is significant lag, it isn't representative of what playing offline is like.
  • EMREMR Call me, Eggy. I dislike my SRK name. lol Joined: Posts: 1,029
    Topic.

    I live on the other side of the world and fighting games players are rare to find. So I'm usually resorted to playing Mexican, Americans and Canadians. Usually, when I play online, I lag like hell. I'm very new to online play and play it rarely so lag is something I'm not used to entirely.
    I think it's ok to blame it on the lag. But after a while, if you still lose, then you only got yourself to blame.

    My record is 0 wins and 5-7 losses

    Story of my life. I live in Puerto Rico and If I wanna play online I have to do so against Americans. Although it's not as big of a distance as you and I still get some lag at times. :( I think the problem is that you are playing Marvel a game that has really really really horrible netcode. I believe Marvel needed to implement rollback netcode. Yeah sure, you are bound to get teleporting characters and stuff if the lag gets bad, but you can block stuff with almost no delay and of course you can keep some of the more complex combos.

    I think implementing the SFIV style of netcode in such a fast paced game was a terrible idea. It affects players like you who legitimately interested in leveling up and are stuck dealing with all the BS input lag netcode brings to the table. However, I won't be a preacher here and say that online is worthless and blah blah blah. I am not that type of guy. You can either adapt to the lag while keeping a clear head that this isn't how the game will be offline or you can start finding out about your local FGC. I know that sounds hard but give it a shot. Just my two cents.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭✭
    Depends on how severe your lag is. If you randomly do a wake-up uppercut and get punished for it, you can't blame lag for that one, you just went for a risky reversal and got punished for it. Now if you're trying to whiff punish a poke (good luck doing that on anything less than wired 3mb connection), and you keep missing due to the input delay, THEN you can blame it on lag.

    Sometimes it's okay to blame the environment when it's a really shitty environment. It's like playing underwater.
  • Killer_JigglypuffKiller_Jigglypuff Karakusa is cheap Joined: Posts: 6,111 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Marvel has some of the worst netcode of any of the modern fighting games, so that's part of the problem.
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  • truendymiontruendymion Beer Me! Joined: Posts: 983 ✭✭✭
    Blame it on the lag even when you're playing offline lol!
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  • RoGE9RoGE9 Joined: Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭
    Yes, lag is dumb for fighting games because even the slightest delay can make the biggest difference.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭✭
    Blame it on the lag even when you're playing offline lol!

    There's lag everywhere! Lag in the monitor, lag in the controller, lag in the USB port, lag in the wires, visual acuity lag, PLENTY of excuses to use!
  • D.R.E.D.R.E. I am not Black Phillip Joined: Posts: 503 ✭✭✭
    when it actually effects the outcome of the game, hecks yeah its ok.
  • Jasin WalravenJasin Walraven Joined: Posts: 298
    Never blame it on lag. No matter what game you are playing, an online version is much different than an in-person game and you need to treat both as separate game. For example in marval Cap is on my team and online you can sneak in a random charging star here or there like Ken can SRK in SF4 and not suffer too bad. Live I only slip it in to condition my opponent that I am foolish enough to do it, then pop Xfactor to punish their attempt to wiff punish (usually against Zero, Dante, & Hulk players who go on auto and push buttons as a response to everything.
  • GordonsBeardGordonsBeard QCF+P Bad Stoned Joined: Posts: 379
    If you have lag, you cannot practice in any serious form. Sure you can try some new things, setups, mixups, etc, but when push comes to shove if you need to get a link out in less than three frames, and you've got more than 15ms of ping - you're going to have a bad time. Don't blame shitty guesses on lag, but if you've got anything but a perfect connection I don't think anyone can really fault you for not being able to do your best
  • Terry BogardeTerry Bogarde Joined: Posts: 259
    But after a while, if you still lose, then you only got yourself to blame.

    There's nothing like 'after a while.' Lag is Lag, and it doesn't represent how the game would have played out without lag. So wins and losses mean nothing if lag is interfering with player inputs.
  • GordonsBeardGordonsBeard QCF+P Bad Stoned Joined: Posts: 379
    There's nothing like 'after a while.' Lag is Lag, and it doesn't represent how the game would have played out without lag. So wins and losses mean nothing if lag is interfering with player inputs.
    Nah lag is like waking your leg up, after doing it enough you end up with 0ms ping, right???
  • KikuichimonjiKikuichimonji Watch out, I know frame data Joined: Posts: 4,485 ✭✭
    Just don't care about winning online. Care about doing the right stuff. Don't credit online wins, think of them as training sessions.
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  • LaharLahar Joined: Posts: 22
    I don't see what you would blame lag for but it is more than reasonable to hate lag.
  • Squire GrooktookSquire Grooktook The Releaser Joined: Posts: 768 ✭✭✭
    I don't see why you would refuse to acknowledge the role lag plays in a loss. As long as you're being honest with yourself, it's just a fact if lag makes you drop a combo or screw up a precise move.

    You could make the argument that the other guy has to deal with lag too, but that's not always true. Sometimes lag will effect one player MUCH worse then the other.

    As some other people say, don't put too much stock into online matches anyway. Especially if it's particularly laggy. Just have fun and move on.
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  • KarimlooKarimloo Joined: Posts: 604
    I would build a fighting game station orbiting the Earth where everyone uses a teleporter to enter this gigantic death star dedicated to FG's. It would be open all the time and everyone from everywhere can come play Street Fighter and any other fighting game they want with our limitless supply of fightsticks tailored to every human, and androids representative of peoples favourite characters giving blowjobs around the clock. And all of this inside our gigantic fortress in the stars we shall play offline games. Forever.




    Yeah lag is pretty bad.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭✭
    I would build a fighting game station orbiting the Earth where everyone uses a teleporter to enter this gigantic death star dedicated to FG's. It would be open all the time and everyone from everywhere can come play Street Fighter and any other fighting game they want with our limitless supply of fightsticks tailored to every human, and androids representative of peoples favourite characters giving blowjobs around the clock. And all of this inside our gigantic fortress in the stars we shall play offline games. Forever

    You just basically described the future of Evo. Evo 2094 GET HYPE.
  • LaharLahar Joined: Posts: 22
    I don't see why you would refuse to acknowledge the role lag plays in a loss. As long as you're being honest with yourself, it's just a fact if lag makes you drop a combo or screw up a precise move.

    You could make the argument that the other guy has to deal with lag too, but that's not always true. Sometimes lag will effect one player MUCH worse then the other.

    As some other people say, don't put too much stock into online matches anyway. Especially if it's particularly laggy. Just have fun and move on.

    I don't know who your quoting but seeing how your using the same first words as I have, you'd understand that its ok to hate lag and this whole winning thing is unimportant. Winning in general is overrated but the act of winning is what people want so it wasn't mentioned.
  • evilweevleevilweevle Xbox GT : MrFossy Joined: Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭
    youve been playing a set without lag/little lag and youve just landed the game winning hit and are about to finish the guy off....

    ...then you hit a lag spike and your jumping H doesnt come out like it should, you drop the combo and lose to a mashed super.

    fuck yea its ok to blame losses on lag. those are possibly the most frustrating situations caused by lag.
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  • evilweevleevilweevle Xbox GT : MrFossy Joined: Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭
    youve been playing a set without lag/little lag and youve just landed the game winning hit and are about to finish the guy off....

    ...then you hit a lag spike and your jumping H doesnt come out like it should, you drop the combo and lose to a mashed super.

    fuck yea its ok to blame losses on lag. those are possibly the most frustrating situations caused by lag.
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  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭✭
    youve been playing a set without lag/little lag and youve just landed the game winning hit and are about to finish the guy off....

    ...then you hit a lag spike and your jumping H doesnt come out like it should, you drop the combo and lose to a mashed super.

    fuck yea its ok to blame losses on lag. those are possibly the most frustrating situations caused by lag.
    youve been playing a set without lag/little lag and youve just landed the game winning hit and are about to finish the guy off....

    ...then you hit a lag spike and your jumping H doesnt come out like it should, you drop the combo and lose to a mashed super.

    fuck yea its ok to blame losses on lag. those are possibly the most frustrating situations caused by lag.
    lag is also the leading cause of forum double post glitches
  • evilweevleevilweevle Xbox GT : MrFossy Joined: Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭
    ^^
    word.
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  • True GraveTrue Grave Keepaway Specialist Joined: Posts: 3,554 ✭✭✭
    Marvel has some of the worst netcode of any of the modern fighting games, so that's part of the problem.


    Since my offline scene is non-existant, 97% of my UMVC3 game time since buying it on launch has been online in ranked matches. Its where i get all my match-up experience, skills, learning tactics, etc. Furthermore, i've attended a handful of offline tournaments and placed decently with my online gained experience. All the combos and tricks that works online also gets results offline.

    With that said, the hell are you guys located? My marvel online experience has been pretty good 89% of the time. Same for my opponents as i lose my share of matches, and its usually due to being wrecked by some pretty beastly combos when i got caught.

    Marvel online= Decent-Good. Step up your connection fellas and don't play anyone with less than three bars.


    Edit: For the record, my net connection is upper-low tier lol.
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  • ZarukaZaruka the Fool Joined: Posts: 851
    i want to say no because you should still look at the match for your mistakes. Still somethings online can be really annoying. sf4 for example i find it really hard to react to dash moves or run special even tho i put my self near full screen sometimes. I don't really have this problem the few times i played offline.

    yea marvel 3 i can't stand to play online at all. I am not sure about you guys but i had moments where i just try to down-back and i get hit. II don't think i could learn the basics from just playing marvel 3 online.
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    Just ask yourself.. What Would Daigo Do.
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  • petran79petran79 Here comes an old challenger Joined: Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭
    not unless the ping is < than 120 ms
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  • BakuhakubasugasuBakuhakubasugasu Eating dreams since '96. Joined: Posts: 3,327
    You can make excuses if you play online and there's lag. If you're playing offline, you better keep the excuses to yourself. There's a lot of people that don't have that great of "containing ones salt" stat though.
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