sketching techniques thread

Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdhJoined: Posts: 5,172
i need information/books on how to approach 3d perspective sketching.
Graphic designers and industrial designers use perspective sketching to draw objects from different angles. To simplify (i think) its the use of squares and ellipses to work out the basic proportions of an object.

This is not to be confused with rendering an object in 3d.

examples.
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also explained in this video.



i can draw just about anything photo-realistically if its directly in front of me but that alone isnt going to help me if i want a career in concept art.

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  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,616
    learn the concept of 2 and 3 point perspective. why it works and how it works.
    there is nothing else to learn really.

    after understanding it you practice regularly for a long long time.

    no need for a book.
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  • kazkaz 'Dat Kryptonite Joined: Posts: 4,058
    ok, i already know 2 and 3 point perspective. forget about landscapes or buildings, lol. i specifically mean vehicles, characters and objects.

    It works the same way really. Something else you should take a look into is sketching basic shapes/volumes in 3D space. It's pretty simple after that. If you can draw those you should shouldn't have much of a problem with anything else.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    ok, i'll try that.
  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,616
    Yeah it has nothing to do with what the thing is. perspective is just perspective.
    the concepts apply to anything you want to draw in three dimensional space.

    there's no shortcut. you can't 'understand' your way to being skilled. so pull out your pencils/pen/charcoal/brush/tablet and get practicing.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    Ok, 2 things I need to work on. Drawing extremely straight lines and accurate elipses.
    I can post images of random sketches when I get hold of a scanner, if anyones interested.
  • TaitoTaito Great Thing Joined: Posts: 7,096
    Draw with your wrist to make a straight line.
  • KINGKING あなたの母親の膣 Joined: Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    1, 2, and 3-point perspective.
    orthogonal lines, vanishing points, horizon line
    foreshortening, worm's eye view, bird's eye view

    basically that's most of what you need to know, since all the forms can be constructed from a rectangular prism after that.

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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    Draw with your wrist to make a straight line.

    i thought it's easier to draw straight lines using your elbow, or shoulder but i find using my shoulder quite difficult.

    watch this video from 7:40 onwards

  • TaitoTaito Great Thing Joined: Posts: 7,096
    I meant to type elbow, oops. And that's the exact video I referenced (dude is a living bible for commercial art. Nevermind watching his videos, just listen to what he's saying and your drawing will improve)
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172

    <-- secondary art teacher

    lets see your work. are you on deviant art?
  • KINGKING あなたの母親の膣 Joined: Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    lets see your work. are you on deviant art?

    I actually hate Deviant Art...I had an account years ago, but never really updated it.

    I lean more on the "fine art" side, rather than the "commercial" side (graphic design and the like), but I believe I'm competent. I'm certified to teach K-12; I'm currently at a middle school (because my principal's an awesome boss). Some of my former students that go to the high school still drop by for critiques from me, so I guess my influence stuck with them.

    I haven't updated this blog in a while, but it's there:
    http://htnguyen.wordpress.com/

    A sample of my work:

    old sketch in college (like, 10 years ago):
    http://htnguyen.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/htn4c.jpg?w=1200&h=

    a more recent W.I.P. drawing of one of my friends (she used to be my classmate and currently an art teacher herself):
    http://htnguyen.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/kari-123.jpg?w=1000&h=

    My line quality has gotten cleaner after 10 years, but I'm just gestural by nature. I like hard lines, and it carries over to my paintings too.


    A watercolor painting from a 14-yr old student:
    http://htnguyen.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/578528_394760887225352_228993523802090_1301981_235952879_n.jpg?w=949

    A photo sample from a (then) 12-yr old student from her trip to Europe (I teach in an affluent neighborhood, even though it's a public school); perspective stuff:
    http://htnguyen.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/courtney-seo-photo-1.jpg?w=700

    A sample from one of my (then) 13-yr old students:
    http://htnguyen.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/20120421_124916-11.jpg?w=553
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    here's a really good site on industrial design sketching

    http://www.idsketching.com/thesketchlab/materials-guide/
  • kazkaz 'Dat Kryptonite Joined: Posts: 4,058
    Here's some of my industrial design stuff/sketching I did back in college

    http://www.coroflot.com/kazamamaster/Portfolio1

    I sketch only with ball point pens.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    same here, right now i'm only sketching with ball points. i tried rollerball pens but they dont feel as accurate as ball points. last week I ordered a pack of five rollerball pens before i had the chance to use one. they arrive in 2 weeks time but i'm already planning on selling them.
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    some more interesting videos



  • BullDancerBullDancer Mentos, The Freshmaker Joined: Posts: 9,321
    Elementary Perspective book?

    I got this off of Geocities before it shutdown......

    Maybe it'll help.... I have other stuff too, but lemme know how this goes first......

    If you have too many options for books, you'll never end up reading any of them......
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    thanks for the link Bull.

    regarding the fundamentals i'm looking for books that cover the following:

    *Zero to four point perspective, Other varieties of linear perspective, vanishing points, horizon lines, depth perception. composition, rule of thirds, rule of space, camera angles and lenses.

    *lighting, shadows, reflections and values, rendering spheres and cubes

    *human and animal anatomy... (not really as important as the other fundamentals because anatomy books are easy to come by).

    i think that covers the basics.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    most importantly i need info on the advanced side of the fundamentals, which are almost impossible to find on the net.
  • rookrook amused observer Joined: Posts: 1,626 mod
    thanks for the link Bull.

    regarding the fundamentals i'm looking for books that cover the following:

    *Zero to four point perspective, Other varieties of linear perspective, vanishing points, horizon lines, depth perception. composition, rule of thirds, rule of space, camera angles and lenses.

    *lighting, shadows, reflections and values, rendering spheres and cubes

    *human and animal anatomy... (not really as important as the other fundamentals because anatomy books are easy to come by).

    i think that covers the basics.
    I've heard good things about this book on anatomy (human and animal)
    http://www.amazon.com/How-Draw-Paint-Anatomy-Life-Like/dp/1565237161

    good discussion guys. keep it up.
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  • ViciousSLASHViciousSLASH Game Time Jones Joined: Posts: 7,500
    http://www.amazon.com/Perspective-Comic-Book-Artists-Professional/dp/0823005674/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1357951025&sr=1-7&keywords=perspective

    Get this book and the blue one too. I think the blue one even comes with a DVD.

    Since I am obviously a master of perspective I haven't even opened the books or watched the DVD yet.

    http://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Perspective-For-Artists-Curvilinear/dp/0823026655/ref=pd_sim_b_1

    Here is the blue books link, it's EXTREME!
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    wow, my thread's a sticky... in a forum people rarely come to, lol.

    PM me if any of you want books on "perspective" i have a few pdf files.
  • rookrook amused observer Joined: Posts: 1,626 mod
    well, I felt it was a good thread to keep visible ;)
    even if this place is pretty quiet.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    snip

    this is where you've been all this time? i rarely see your posts on GD anymore.

    i'm going to start posting here often and i'll get a little PM discussion going.
  • ViciousSLASHViciousSLASH Game Time Jones Joined: Posts: 7,500
    I post all over the GD, I just saw Rook was talking and just decided to post too. Rook is one of teh cool dude SRK artists. I hope baby rook is healthy and happy.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    Thanks VS, that Figure drawing book was exactly what i've been looking for.

    For some reason I stayed up all night compiling drawing exercises that cover every subject matter. I literally couldnt sleep until I finished it, lol.
    Rather than drawing Random objects to improve your skills (which does help) its best to complete a lot of intense drawing exrcises that improve your freehand drawing skills, so that tackling any object/subject matter will not be an issue.

    I'll post these next week.
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,172
    i've pretty much found all the information i need regarding the basic fundementals (with regards to perspective). if you guys are still interested just let me know and i'll uplaod what i have.
  • andrespresleyandrespresley Joined: Posts: 1
    how to make asketching face, easy with pen or computer software?
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