My most wanted change for AE2013

Komatik

Or, why the hell does the combination of "very good buttons" and "fast walk speed" seem to be almost the exclusive right of charge characters. Out of high walk speed characters nearly all footsie-based ones are charge characters, barring perhaps Akuma, Cammy, Yun and Evil Ryu, and most of those are stretching it. It's freaking irritating. Buttons. I wants 'em. : (

eltrouble

To make up for their inability to do special moves whenever they want, which certainly affects their playstyle and ground game.

Also, I'm pretty sure threads like are either a) not allowed, or b) talked to death in other threads.

HNIC Mike

i want the unblockables/reverse blockables eliminated

at first i thought they were pretty cool. but at this point i dont think they add anything meaningful to the game

Doopliss

I'd like all lights to have infinite JP ('cept Gen crane c.LK of course) because resets. Resets everywhere.

Vulpes

Antiairs that do their job properly instead of trading with or flat losing to half of all jumpattacks / air specials

AmigoOne

Vulpes, post: 7707066, member: 57311 wrote:

Antiairs that do their job properly instead of trading with or flat losing to half of all jumpattacks / air specials

Any specific one in particular?
I for one think its retarded that they nerfed Fei's flame kick to pretty much trade a shit ton. DP trades dont make any fucking sense when there are normals that are amazing AAs, bar certain ones like Adon's (wrong angle\strength or something)

ATi7500

Fei's flamekick doesn't trade, you just have to do it deep

K1MOCH1

nerf sweep anti airs (dj cr.rh, chun cr.rh)
shit doesnt even look like an anti air and does better job than most normals designed to anti air

Eternal

Remove the ability to FADC non-ex 3-4F dps (j/k that would totally destroy so much balance, just a frustrating thing to have to deal with)

I just wish there was some way to remove the DP trade to ultra that chars have.

AmigoOne

ATi7500, post: 7708158, member: 18772 wrote:

Fei's flamekick doesn't trade, you just have to do it deep

A lot of DP's technically shouldn't trade because the first active frame is still invincible.
Trades still happen.

Swedish Chef

I just want Dan to actually be good.

AmigoOne

HNIC Mike, post: 7706776, member: 10968 wrote:

i want the unblockables/reverse blockables eliminated

at first i thought they were pretty cool. but at this point i dont think they add anything meaningful to the game

what makes you say that

Sp00kyFox

AmigoOne, post: 7708236, member: 28708 wrote:

A lot of DP's technically shouldn't trade because the first active frame is still invincible.

then they're still too late. in contrast to st there are no mysterious time/frame independent glitches. if it trades you did it too late and if you're on the other side and it allows your opponent to ultra your jumpin was no good.

cerberusfx

K1MOCH1, post: 7708160, member: 53735 wrote:

nerf sweep anti airs (dj cr.rh, chun cr.rh)
shit doesnt even look like an anti air and does better job than most normals designed to anti air

chun's sweep could always be done for an AA. In a lot of games actually

Swedish Chef, post: 7708240, member: 55212 wrote:

I just want Dan to actually be good.

They could say that Sagat only put Dan's dad into coma and he comes back stronger than any shoto characters :/

Projectjustice

That there isnt a AE2013 patch.

chubbyfingerz

Make Dan a little faster and for the love of all that is fucking holy can someone nerf Ryu and Ken's jumping roundhouse? I mean seriously, WTF man, W. T. F. I can not get over the priority, damage and hitbox of that idiotic move

Projectjustice

chubbyfingerz, post: 7709379, member: 78522 wrote:

Make Dan a little faster and for the love of all that is fucking holy can someone nerf Ryu and Ken's jumping roundhouse? I mean seriously, WTF man, W. T. F. I can not get over the priority, damage and hitbox of that idiotic move

Bison's C.HP eats it for breakfast.

chubbyfingerz

cerberusfx, post: 7709276, member: 22472 wrote:

chun's sweep could always be done for an AA. In a lot of games actually


They could say that Sagat only put Dan's dad into coma and he comes back stronger than any shoto characters :/

He lives! In my avatar! HAHAHA

SAIKYO

AmigoOne

Sp00kyFox, post: 7709253, member: 54060 wrote:

then they're still too late. in contrast to st there are no mysterious time/frame independent glitches. if it trades you did it too late and if you're on the other side and it allows your opponent to ultra your jumpin was no good.

Im sure I've seen Mago trade on DP. DPs are weaker than they should be. Compared to something like Sakura's cr hp.

HNIC Mike

AmigoOne, post: 7708974, member: 28708 wrote:

what makes you say that

the idea of every character having some silly corner hard knockdown 50/50 that has no bearing on which side the characters are actually on is stupid to me.

i dont mind the hard KD set ups or honest ambiguous cross ups, but seeing a characters entire model on one side and having to block him on the other dependant of what button he pushed or was he a frame or so off, destroys the fundamental concept of playing good defense

and every character that has an attack that crosses up has this type of thing. so it isnt like its the glue holding a certain characters offense together

AmigoOne, post: 7709811, member: 28708 wrote:

DPs

fei's dp wasnt nerfed in terms of hitbox. it always traded when done early since vanilla. it starts out with the hitting part of the attack sticking out more horizntally than vertical . by the time it gets above his head he is fully vulnerable

you stop this by doing it late or by spacing yourself so that the opponents jump ins can only hit you at waist level and not in the head.

other characters can stop trades by doing crouch dps. the idea being that your crouching vulnerable box is at a lower point than the first active frame of your DPs hitbox

Vulpes

AmigoOne, post: 7708085, member: 28708 wrote:

Any specific one in particular?

Nah, all. The worst case being intentionally trading with your DP so you can combo into some retarded damage (helloes Viper),
but just chars who don't have access to a DP losing entire matchups because their AAs trade with/lose against certain characters jumpins/divekicks/whatever is shitty design.
Can't play footsies if your enemy can just jump around randomly.

Swedish Chef

Oh man that ex command grab... It looked so damn badass... :(
Also if Oni had all those moves then that old Oni is banned joke would turn legit. :eek:

Doopliss, post: 7706899, member: 9317 wrote:

I'd like all lights to have infinite JP ('cept Gen crane c.LK of course) because resets. Resets everywhere.

Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition 3rd Strike?
Not sure if want...

metallicaband

Oh look, people complaining about a perfectly balanced SF awaiting to ruin it with another patch, what a surprise.

Hope Capcom won't be stupid enough to actually listen to you this time around, but then Capcom can be retarded at times so it's still possible I guess.

Eternal

Well one thing I'd be interested in seeing done is fixing things that were simply oversights. (mostly just some moves have state flags for certain frames already set but that were left empty for some reason)

Cody's f-HK having the state flag check marked to "airborne" for the state check on 8F-25F just like in SFxT
Cody's b-MP having the state flag check marked to "Counterhit" for the startup frames (he can't be counterhit during b-mp they set the frame data then forgot to set the actual character state during those frames)

Whatever that was supposed to be set for the active frame state of Viper close s.MK, Claw's PPP backflip has an empty state setting for 30-40F. I'm sure there are at least a handful of others.

Also it'd be nice if they buffed Cody's badstone from 50 to 60 dmg..... Seriously, in Alpha 3 badstone had the highest damage at 13 (more than even Ryu or Sagat, only a charged Sakura fireball was higher) and it had the most stun (almost twice as much stun as a Hadoken). Now it is the lowest damage grounded fireball in the game (tied with Juri who can store 3 fireballs and combo into and out of them) /saltyrant

Cee Dizzy

Was AE 2013 announced? If not, I honestly think it shouldn't be mentioned.

Auru

that AE2013 never happens and perhaps we get an AE2014 instead.. the game is at a point where so many characters can win, yeah sure some are a little ott still but you have to admit that a huge pile of the cast has the means to get shit done now :P

cerberusfx

- To be added:
Post hit after opponent is K.O
Color Edit mode like cvs2
Training Mode online
Recording timing extended to x time
Option to show hitboxes available
Option to change announcer
Improved A.I of CPUs on harder difficulties
Boss Mode of Akuma / Gouken / Evil Ryu / Oni available for giggles + Boss Challenge mode (unavailable for online)
New stages (car destroy and barrel stage + old stage back like ken's alpha 2 stage / rose's stage)
Music from old games available NOT remastered
And yes small rebalancing if necessary (on my part, bringing the zoning/footsie game and the rushdown/pressure game to near an equal level)

Blueberry

Just want a rematch for online 2 people lobby

Killer_Jigglypuff

Make Makoto's cross up j.mk not suck complete ass. Only change I've wanted for a while now.

Mafamaticks

Just do something about the unblockables. Character expression is suffering because of it.

Komatik

Active frames for Akuma's buttons (and Oni's air ones too)

Emanuelb

Yeah, poor akuma, he really needs some buffs.

crackedversionname

buff yang for godsake

Ryuken9

How about you take responsibilty for your lack of success as a player instead of blaming it on your character's suckiness.

Superstar

Unblockables prolly can't be removed unless there's some massive overhaul.

farhannius

Get rid of that crazy Blanka costume. And fire the guy that came up with that design.

littlescumbag

chubbyfingerz, post: 7709379, member: 78522 wrote:

Make Dan a little faster and for the love of all that is fucking holy can someone nerf Ryu and Ken's jumping roundhouse? I mean seriously, WTF man, W. T. F. I can not get over the priority, damage and hitbox of that idiotic move

rlly? nerf ryu? even my mom knows the matchup! he sux!!! you loose to ryu,your damn fault!

littlescumbag

i wish better netcode and just buff the weak ones and leave the strong ones alone... thats it
and give ryu back that corner escape tatsu that you assholes took away from him :p

pootnannies

Projectjustice, post: 7709377, member: 2052 wrote:

That there isnt a AE2013 patch.

better they fuck with another sf4 game instead of bringing their bad ideas into sf5. they need to address some really stupid issues that have been there since vanilla if they plan on making a sf5 because that would be a major bummer.

metallicaband, post: 7716217, member: 15933 wrote:

Oh look, people complaining about a perfectly balanced SF awaiting to ruin it with another patch, what a surprise.

Hope Capcom won't be stupid enough to actually listen to you this time around, but then Capcom can be retarded at times so it's still possible I guess.

perfectly balanced? nope. and who really cares. the game is mad boring now especially since it's so hard-knockdown, ambiguous/unblockable jump-in heavy for 90% of the cast. there isn't much variety even with 39 characters and most match ups put me to sleep. it's so slow and mash friendly that it's more frustrating to play than to enjoy it. too bad it's basically the only sf game people are playing right now.

HNIC Mike

Superstar, post: 7728538, member: 49222 wrote:

Unblockables prolly can't be removed unless there's some massive overhaul.

they could go the cross tekken route where everything has a massive cross up box. instead of unblockables you get a bunch of 2 sided blockables where you block front side and they land behind and vice versa

Emanuelb

pootnannies, post: 7730404, member: 3856 wrote:

better they fuck with another sf4 game instead of bringing their bad ideas into sf5. they need to address some really stupid issues that have been there since vanilla if they plan on making a sf5 because that would be a major bummer.

perfectly balanced? nope. and who really cares. the game is mad boring now especially since it's so hard-knockdown, ambiguous/unblockable jump-in heavy for 90% of the cast. there isn't much variety even with 39 characters and most match ups put me to sleep. it's so slow and mash friendly that it's more frustrating to play than to enjoy it. too bad it's basically the only sf game people are playing right now.

Typical 3S scrub rant.

ATi7500

HNIC Mike, post: 7730516, member: 10968 wrote:

they could go the cross tekken route where everything has a massive cross up box. instead of unblockables you get a bunch of 2 sided blockables where you block front side and they land behind and vice versa

or just give invincibility frames at wakeup?

simon_

littlescumbag, post: 7730340, member: 64152 wrote:

rlly? nerf ryu? even my mom knows the matchup! he sux!!! you loose to ryu,your damn fault!

no need to act like ryu is easy to beat, he's possibly the best character in the game at low - medium level of play

only changes I'd want are post KO hits and rematch button for 1vs1 lobbies

pootnannies

Emanuelb, post: 7731188, member: 50800 wrote:

Typical 3S scrub rant.

really? i thought "there should be parries and dashes should be faster" would warrant that but whatever.

Vulpes

simon_, post: 7731630, member: 12953 wrote:

no need to act like ryu is easy to beat, he's possibly the best character in the game at low - medium level of play

lolwat

Komatik

Good? Sure. Best? Just no.

HNIC Mike

ATi7500, post: 7731549, member: 18772 wrote:

or just give invincibility frames at wakeup?

lol. no i wouldnt want that. i like the idea of hard KDs being bad situations, however, i dont like the idea of hard KDs being unwinnable.

maybe i should practice my 1 frame blocking and plink focus on wake up

ATi7500

HNIC Mike, post: 7731710, member: 10968 wrote:

lol. no i wouldnt want that. i like the idea of hard KDs being bad situations, however, i dont like the idea of hard KDs being unwinnable.

maybe i should practice my 1 frame blocking and plink focus on wake up

Invincibility only on top body part, that would make them still vulnerable to meaties :) That would be a quite good interesting change that would scramble the tier list pretty badly and put back SF to its roots.

metallicaband

pootnannies, post: 7730404, member: 3856 wrote:

perfectly balanced? nope. and who really cares. the game is mad boring now especially since it's so hard-knockdown, ambiguous/unblockable jump-in heavy for 90% of the cast. there isn't much variety even with 39 characters and most match ups put me to sleep. it's so slow and mash friendly that it's more frustrating to play than to enjoy it. too bad it's basically the only sf game people are playing right now.

Perfectly balanced as in the most balanced in SF history, almost any character has a chance to win in the right hands, it doesn't get any better than that.

The game still has a solid and large community after years since it was released, so obviously it's not nearly as boring to most people as it is to you.

IMO the corner mixups in general isn't a bad thing, I mean the stages aren't exactly small, so either hold your ground or get a severe disadvantage once cornered. I'm aware it's almost unavoidable to avoid the corners vs some characters like Fei, but in general one has to work hard to push a good player into the corners.

pootnannies

metallicaband, post: 7731906, member: 15933 wrote:

Perfectly balanced as in the most balanced in SF history, almost any character has a chance to win in the right hands, it doesn't get any better than that.

The game still has a solid and large community after years since it was released, so obviously it's not nearly as boring to most people as it is to you.

IMO the corner mixups in general isn't a bad thing, I mean the stages aren't exactly small, so either hold your ground or get a severe disadvantage once cornered. I'm aware it's almost unavoidable to avoid the corners vs some characters like Fei, but in general one has to work hard to push a good player into the corners.

perfectly balanced doesn't mean shit to most of us and being the most balanced fighter in sf history doesn't equal perfect. ssf2t and 3s were far from perfect when it came to balance and yet they were a lot of fun. momentum wasn't constantly stop and go like sf4. if you like the pace sf4 offers then more power to you. i think this game can still be improved a lot and still feel like it's part of the sf4 series, but of course that's my opinion and my tastes are what i'm more concerned with.

chubbyfingerz

SF4 = MUCH better than SF3