The Marvel 3 Lab Thread: New Age of Ideas

Sottle

Kef, post: 7766206, member: 19928 wrote:

The new MarlinPie infinite is so easy to do. I haven't drop it a single time out of 50 tries. That man is so good at coming up with tech!

lol rokmode

Is there standalone footage of it yet? I saw him do it on the Break stream but i don't want to dig through the archives for it.

Kef

Go to the archives of NEC. First match of the Top 8, Marlin VS GDO. There he does it.

If not, I can make a quick vid if you want.

Saitsu

Just make the vid, it would save time and have a handy way to access it quickly rather than burning through archives.

DevilJin 01

FuLLBLeeD, post: 7769942, member: 14909 wrote:

Trying to find ways around Iron Man's atrocious ground dash (there aren't any ;_;)

Still better than Thor.

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Chef Borjan

DevilJin 01, post: 7775845, member: 1242 wrote:

Still better than Thor.

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Thor's backdash is pretty good since you can cancel it into Mighty spark and now there is a huge projectile sitting where you used to be... but ya, its WAAAY better than his terrible forward dash.

Warpticon

Kef, post: 7773873, member: 19928 wrote:

Go to the archives of NEC. First match of the Top 8, Marlin VS GDO. There he does it.

If not, I can make a quick vid if you want.

Man, I don't know if Disgruntled Goa or VDO should be more offended by this.

Kef

@warpTicon

lol

I was too lazy to look up his name. I was actually looking for VDO matches recently, so I probably had the name in my mind.

Aloci

Currently working on making Vergil/Hsien-Ko bff's.


It's going swimmingly so far :3

Kef

Bumping the thread?

LTP

XF3 Doom combos are fun. I'm looking to find a way to do something similar consistently midscreen.

Icyie

LTP, post: 7874537, member: 60504 wrote:

XF3 Doom combos are fun. I'm looking to find a way to do something similar consistently midscreen.

Heh, nice use of molecular shield.

StriderAaron360

OMG its a duck

If I touch you with Luminous Body Firebrand, you then have to play a mini-game twice, and if you guess wrong both times, you lose that game. Working on getting it so you only get to play the mini-game once.

irl II Wilson

OMG its a duck, post: 7886211, member: 37440 wrote:

If I touch you with Luminous Body Firebrand, you then have to play a mini-game twice, and if you guess wrong both times, you lose that game. Working on getting it so you only get to play the mini-game once.

Could you tell me the inputs to the infinite you done?

OMG its a duck

irl II Wilson, post: 7886788, member: 57276 wrote:

Could you tell me the inputs to the infinite you done?

I just used LMMH fly LMH unfly, but you can do a ton of variations on it, and they're all brain-dead easy.

Warpticon

OMG its a duck, post: 7886211, member: 37440 wrote:

If I touch you with Luminous Body Firebrand, you then have to play a mini-game twice, and if you guess wrong both times, you lose that game. Working on getting it so you only get to play the mini-game once.

I like how you left a good 15 seconds of synchronized dancing in there at the end.

irl II Wilson

OMG its a duck, post: 7886793, member: 37440 wrote:

I just used LMMH fly LMH unfly, but you can do a ton of variations on it, and they're all brain-dead easy.

Do you mean lmh fly,lmmh unfly ?

ironboy89

THCs are one of the fastest moves in the entire game. They can allow some character to combo off their ground throw because of the quick startup if a solo character can't OTG in time. For example Hulk's ground throw easy to convert off of with a THC . However the most overlooked concept about THCs are the Post Freeze properties of them. Some character have truly devastating properties.

With the right combination, if you are not blocking prior of the startup in this combo THC...you will get hit because THC basically post zero frame. Similar to how fast Tron/Haggar/Doom's level 3 is, if you weren't pre-emptlely blocking/jumpING you will get hit.


This isn't new because it existed far back as Vanilla. Joe+Hsien-Ko works in a similar way.

Here some useful THC frame data.
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/some-thc-frame-data-compilation.164892/
http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/team-hyper-combos-how-they-really-work-strategy.148752/#post-6119237

The point of this is to search and find the cast member that can perform post zero frame THC.

So far .....

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The character so far that trigger a post zero frame THC on point

Skrull's inferno, and Skrull has a game breaking glitch.
Akuma's beam/fireballl: Which too bad ain't tatsu
Taskmaster's forward arrow assist: As show here.
Joe's mach speed
Ryu's tatsu super
Chun's lighting legs, and the all of the characters in this thc stay invincibe in the super.
Magneto's magnetic shockwave, notice here that Spencer can bionic arm through Wesker's super, but not Magneto's super

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Who might have it?But I'm not 100% sure.
Wesker, I not sure why Wesker can't make Spencer not block like in this video.

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Supers that are change in properties due to the THCs. They need to be offscreen for this stuff to work.

Spencer- He cannot perform a zero frame THC on point. Offscreen Bionic Lancer becomes a full-screen invincible attack and you can't block after the freeze. If it's done correctly Spencer flies off screen, and he past through projectiles that he normally wouldn't be able to do. Biggest thing you notice is that Spencer's THC bionic lancer does not create the same hitstop as usual. It's very likely to be a glitch.

Hsien-Ko's tenraiha: She has the fastest overhead in the game with it. Because it become basically a instant overhead that with properties similar to Doom's time/Haggar's level 3.

Cap's Hyper Star and Stripes. At close range the super cannot be blocked post frame, it must be block before the super freeze.

Wesker's phantom dance. This hits super fast,and you have to block it befoe the super flash.

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I could be wrong, and some of these could be one frame.

Icyie

ironboy89, post: 7933749, member: 44847 wrote:

snip

If Magneto's Magnetic Shockwave really is one frame that just made my Mag/Dante shell even better. Thanks for this.

ironboy89

Icyie, post: 7934811, member: 69222 wrote:

If Magneto's Magnetic Shockwave really is one frame that just made my Mag/Dante shell even better. Thanks for this.

It is after the super freeze, it's just that some Magneto combinations prevent the opponent from blocking prior to the flash.

Steelguttey

ironboy89, post: 7933749, member: 44847 wrote:

Chun's lighting legs, and the all of the characters in this thc stay invincibe in the super.

Woah woah woah wait wait wait I need more info on this. So all characters that are doing the supers are invincible? Does it matter if chun is on point or not?

ironboy89

Steelguttey, post: 7935284, member: 57445 wrote:

Woah woah woah wait wait wait I need more info on this. So all characters that are doing the supers are invincible? Does it matter if chun is on point or not?

All 3 characters gain invincibility on pre-freeze, but not post freeze. At the start of THC, nothing stops the super from coming out. After the freeze, 2 other characters will become vulnerable if they don't have invincibility.

The reason why this is important to note is that Chun-li's lighting legs THC cannot to be interrupted during the start up like say Magneto's THCs.

Steelguttey

ironboy89, post: 7935325, member: 44847 wrote:

All 3 characters gain invincibility on pre-freeze, but not post freeze. At the start of THC, nothing stops the super from coming out. After the freeze, 2 other characters will become vulnerable if they don't have invincibility.

The reason why this is important to note is that Chun-li's lighting legs THC cannot to be interrupted during the start up like say Magneto's THCs.

So if you say, are about to get hit by a soencer overhead you can just THC and he will get hit no matter what he does? Another question, what is the quickest possible super that is THC able?

Dazed

Steelguttey, post: 7935341, member: 57445 wrote:

Another question, what is the quickest possible super that is THC able?

iirc thc startup is determined by the point char's hyper, meaning IF's 3f pre-flash Fist of Fury hyper is best

Cee Dizzy

So Im learning a new team to go along with my Wesker/Doom/Strider team, just in case there is a match-up where I need to maul. Spencer/Doom/Vergil is a really good mauling team. With my BNB, from midscreen to corner, I get 1.2 million, killing everybody but Thor. Everytime I do command grab, I can hard tag Doom in, get a full combo into hyper, then DHC. The damage is outstanding overall. Off a command grab, I kill you. Godlike. I can also do it off the low depending on my position (corner). I just need a way to do it off an overhead.

LTP

I just learned how to plink dash . Plinking MODOK's up back air dashes using the double air dash glitch is so good. It takes him to super jump height a fullscreen distance away, while keeping his ability to call assists. And it can be done safely after a point blank L cube.

The rest of the video is me just throwing out ideas on potential setups with the double air dash glitch with assists. They're pretty slow for the most part, but there are a few setups I found that a pretty good (not shown). Plink dashing the up forward air dashes with Vajra assist from fullscreen lets you get in pretty quickly and effectively in particular (as opposed to the slow Jam Session example used in the video). There's also good stuff you can do with L cube + lockdown assist with the double air dash glitch.

ironboy89

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cznAicyNjCo
Here is a better video show off what I'm talking as you can see Wesker/Spencer being assist attack while the point character basically freezes the opponent. Even through the point character'ssuper allows them to block, Wesker/Spencer's assist supers become active quicker than the point character. They are so quick that sometimes the game won't register the opponent being hit stun because super freeze isn't completed yet. You can see this happen with Skrull and Akuma's inferno/fireball super. Hence why it's seems to be post zero frame.

OMG its a duck

If Magnus hit you, and you don't have a invincible air super on your team, the game simplifies into "You guess wrong on a TAC, I win, you guess right, you get to keep playing." Fair.



You can probably do the same thing even if they take the hit, I'll figure that stuff out maybe later tonight.

phantasy

lol did you watch the ironman/shulk video

good stuff reducing it to one tac

OMG its a duck

phantasy, post: 7948921, member: 26822 wrote:

lol did you watch the ironman/shulk video

good stuff reducing it to one tac

You mean "Team Danke - Resurrection"? For sure. I saw it and knew there was a way to kill a team with 2 TACs, then I just kept trying ideas until I found the 1 TAC way. Mad props to you guys for figuring out this broke stuff.

I guess the goal now is to find a way to build enough meter from the follow-up combo to guard break the whole team without any TACs.

EDIT: Welp, shit:



What do you think of this, yo?

LTP

I remade my MODOK tutorial video. It has pretty much everything about the character in some form, but there is a lot of different tools shown that can be explored further and made really effective on a team by team basis.

DevilJin 01