Any PS3 players play with a DualShock Controller?

TheORKINManTheORKINMan Joined: Posts: 1
Hi guys, new posting here although i have been reading for a while. I'm trying to get into fighting games more seriously and after platinuming MK vs DC on a DualShock with my thumbs being very sorry I did, I decided to pick up UMVC3. I got to where all I needed to do was the missions and started in on them with a DualShock.

As you might imagine massive frustration ensued with directional input not working very well with either the d pad or the analog stick. I noticed Amazon had a Sf x Tekken Madcatz fightstick on sale for 99 so I picked it up. The difference is flabbergasting. The fightstick made everything much easier. Anywho after all of that my question stems from threads I've read where "pad vs stick" is discussed. Are "pad" players actually using the standard console controllers or does pad refer to something else?
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  • JediLinkJediLink Has 100%'d Super Smash Bros Melee Joined: Posts: 719
    I used to use the Dualshock 3. It was definitely useable, but a stick is much better.
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  • lawlHTlawlHT youtube player Joined: Posts: 535
    pad vs stick is a matter of preference nowadays. anything you can do on a stick can be done on a pad with some tweaking of buttons. however, if you choose to go the pad route, you'll need to get a wired controller and converter for tournament play, as wireless pads aren't allowed to anything bigger than a local gathering.
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  • bkfst_sausagebkfst_sausage ST / SRK2k3 OG Joined: Posts: 2,802
    I use a stick for MvC2 on PSN... but when I play for real and there's a Dreamcast around, I use a DC regular pad...
    I learned Super Turbo on a Dual Shock 1... and even now I'm better on a DS1 with Blanka no less than I am with stick.
    My biggest problem with pads is that you get used to a pad... and then it changes... Sticks are forever.

    (e.g. nothing uses a DC pad anymore, the DS2 has weird buttons, the DS3 has those annoying triggers instead of buttons, the Xbox pad has those bubble buttons that I can't do shit with, the 360 pad just doesn't feel right to me for the RT/RB buttons)
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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Hey Fatty Boom Boom, Hit Me with the Ching Ching Joined: Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it's a preference.


    simply like that. I play on X360's pad, and I love it for every FG sans GG.
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  • JediLinkJediLink Has 100%'d Super Smash Bros Melee Joined: Posts: 719
    It's not entirely preference. Stick is better for numerous things, especially in this game. I can talk with large text too.
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  • Project PhengxayProject Phengxay Joined: Posts: 5
    IMO I think it is a preference. If you like a pad better than a stick, than by all means, stick to a pad. But I wouldn't just throw the stick away. I have been playing FGs with a pad my whole life, but everyone that I play with competitively play on a stick. Sticks, in the long run, are probably better than a pad as they feel smoother and I guess feel better overall for FGs. But the learning curve for me is too big for me to transition, although I still would like to learn a stick haha. But, yea, to me its just a matter of preference
  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭
    The only advantage of a stick in this game is the fact that you don't get callus on your left thumb. That and having the ability to choose which buttons to charge with when using Viper/Zero/Vergil instead of using a L shoulder macro. Otherwise you can do anything on stick on a pad in this game, and a lot of things are easier due to the dash macros, especially for plinking dashes/tridash attacks, FChamp was actually complaining about Fanatiq's Magneto and his built in tridash plinks.
  • lawlHTlawlHT youtube player Joined: Posts: 535
    It's not entirely preference. Stick is better for numerous things, especially in this game. I can talk with large text too.

    no, it's preference. there isn't anything you can do on a stick that isn't possible on a pad.
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  • JediLinkJediLink Has 100%'d Super Smash Bros Melee Joined: Posts: 719
    no, it's preference. there isn't anything you can do on a stick that isn't possible on a pad.

    Alright then, I present to you a challenge. Here is a theoretical situation: I have a Dualshock 3 with 10 buttons, and I need to configure my controller to accommodate all of these below.
    • I need all 6 inputs (L, M, H, S, A1, A2) assigned to a button each.
    • I need to be able to dash.
    • I need to be able to hit both assists at the same to do a Cross Combo Attack or whatever it's called.
    • I play Phoenix Wright, so I need to be able to hit L+S, M+S, and H+S. That's not all, though: I need to be able to Maya plink, so I need to be able to do a QCF while plinking an attack button to S.
    • I play Zero, so I need to be able to charge my buster AND charge switch at any time. And I still need to be able to do everything (e.g. plink dash, call assists, hit M or H) while charging my buster.
    • I play Rocket Raccoon or Taskmaster, so I need to be able to hit L+M, M+H or L+H depending on which variation of the super I need.
    Now tell me a possible configuration that I could use on a Dualshock 3 that allows me do ALL of these things. Even if you could (which I doubt), it would probably be confusing and uncomfortable. Compare that to a stick, where all of the above is achievable with a very simple layout. Using a pad is not a preference, it's a handicap. A good comparison is that it's very possible to run in high heels or thongs (flip flops if you're American) and with some practice you can get used to it, but it's much easier to just use runners from the get go.

    Using a pad comes with numerous disadvantages and very, very few advantages. There are only two that I can think of and neither are really applicable to this game. For one, 2ATK is obviously easier with a macro but in this game the dash input is very lenient and I don't think I've ever screwed up a dash on a stick. Ever. Secondly, double tapping a direction is easier on a pad but only if you use the actual D-Pad. If you do use the D-Pad, that means you have to move your thumb if you want to press L3. Besides, double tapping is very rarely useful.

    There are some games where you can use a pad and be fine. For example, the Soul Calibur games are pretty pad friendly. But with Marvel 3? Like I said, it's not impossible but it's incredibly inconvenient and you probably won't be able to do everything that you want to do.
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  • lawlHTlawlHT youtube player Joined: Posts: 535
    for starters, hitting both assist buttons calls team supers. crazy, i know. that's one button that isn't required.

    Dash can be easily set to R2 as it is by default. you could even set it to L+H attack, giving you both a dash and the required super input.

    using Phoenix Wright...not sure why i'd do this to myself with pad or stick, so i'm going to go ahead and give you him, though you can set up M to a shoulder button if you feel so inclined.

    Zero is easy, set L1 to L attack and L2 to assist 1. works perfectly fine.

    for Task, do what i do and set L+H attack to R2. you can easily reach L+M and M+H, L+H is the only awkward input you need to plan for.

    regardless, there are more than enough buttons to cover any inputs you need on the pad. you can even use R3 and L3 if you so desire. Pads have come a long way, and it is really a matter of preference nowadays rather than straight up limitations. and you can't really say it's awkward, because you would naturally be learning your gameplan around those controls you set up to accommodate your needs. it's STILL a matter of preference, what is awkward to one person is natural to another.
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  • JediLinkJediLink Has 100%'d Super Smash Bros Melee Joined: Posts: 719
    snip

    That's a half answer. Do it like this:

    Square: (Binding here)
    X: (Binding here)
    Circle: (Binding here)
    Triangle: (Binding here)
    R1: (Binding here)
    R2: (Binding here)
    R3: (Binding here)
    L1: (Binding here)
    L2: (Binding here)
    L3: (Binding here)

    Do that and I'll tell you what limitations it has. Also, when I was talking about hitting both assists buttons I didn't mean you need a macro. I just meant that you can't (for example) set A1 to R3 and A2 to X, because it's impossible to hit those both of those buttons at the same time.
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  • lawlHTlawlHT youtube player Joined: Posts: 535
    Square: L attack
    X: S attack
    Circle: H attack
    Triangle: M attack
    R1: Assist 2
    R2: L+H attack
    R3: (Binding here)
    L1: L attack
    L2: Assist 1
    L3: M attack (for Wright's evidence)

    happy now?
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  • ZodiacZodiac My fists pack one million volts! Joined: Posts: 305
    It's funny that the title was read and the topic immediately became a "pad vs stick" argument and the guy's question was something else completely. Yes the "pad" is a DualShock 3, in the case of PS3 users.
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  • JediLinkJediLink Has 100%'d Super Smash Bros Melee Joined: Posts: 719
    Square: L attack
    X: S attack
    Circle: H attack
    Triangle: M attack
    R1: Assist 2
    R2: L+H attack
    R3: (Binding here)
    L1: L attack
    L2: Assist 1
    L3: M attack (for Wright's evidence)

    happy now?

    I'm impressed that you actually did think about it. Now, that configuration won't work because:
    • In case you didn't know, to Maya plink you have to do QCF + ATK~S. Tildes are used to denote plinking, right? I don't know. Anyway, you could probably do that with the L variation, but M and H? There's no macro for the H version, and for the M version you'd have to use L3 which is awkward if your thumb is on the analogue stick and impossible if your thumb is on the D-Pad.
    • How am I going to charge switch? When I start a lightning loop, I need to switch the button to either M or H. I can't use M because that's bound to L3 (do you honestly expect someone to be able to do TK dragon punches while holding down L3?) and I can't use L+H because that locks out the L button.
    • You can easily do L+H, but what about L+M and M+H? To do L+M, you'd have to press L1 and a face button together (awkward), and for M+H you'd have to press L3 and a face button together (also awkward). Remember, this is immediately after doing a QCF because you're doing a super.
    • Even stuff that isn't impossible (like X-Factoring) is still a pain in the ass to do. With your configuration, you'd have to press X, R2 and L3 all at the same time. Compare that to, on a stick, you have to press four buttons that your fingers and thumb are already going to be resting on.
    You cannot honestly tell me that someone would prefer to do all of this convoluted shit rather than use an arcade stick. Stick is simpler. Stick is easier. You'd be able to get by with a pad if you played simple characters and didn't need to charge a buster, search for evidence or do multiple variations of a super. But still, you're limiting the number of characters and teams you could play. And, if you're the sort of person that has a ton of different teams, you might have to change your control configuration in between every team switch just to accommodate the different buttons you need.

    You're welcome to try again, but I guarantee you that there is no pad configuration that allows you to do everything you'd ever want to do that matches the simplicity and ease of just using an arcade stick. I know this because I actually used to use a pad in this game.
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  • lawlHTlawlHT youtube player Joined: Posts: 535
    I'm impressed that you actually did think about it. Now, that configuration won't work because:
    • In case you didn't know, to Maya plink you have to do QCF + ATK~S. Tildes are used to denote plinking, right? I don't know. Anyway, you could probably do that with the L variation, but M and H? There's no macro for the H version, and for the M version you'd have to use L3 which is awkward if your thumb is on the analogue stick and impossible if your thumb is on the D-Pad.
    • How am I going to charge switch? When I start a lightning loop, I need to switch the button to either M or H. I can't use M because that's bound to L3 (do you honestly expect someone to be able to do TK dragon punches while holding down L3?) and I can't use L+H because that locks out the L button.
    • You can easily do L+H, but what about L+M and M+H? To do L+M, you'd have to press L1 and a face button together (awkward), and for M+H you'd have to press L3 and a face button together (also awkward). Remember, this is immediately after doing a QCF because you're doing a super.
    • Even stuff that isn't impossible (like X-Factoring) is still a pain in the ass to do. With your configuration, you'd have to press X, R2 and L3 all at the same time. Compare that to, on a stick, you have to press four buttons that your fingers and thumb are already going to be resting on.
    You cannot honestly tell me that someone would prefer to do all of this convoluted shit rather than use an arcade stick. Stick is simpler. Stick is easier. You'd be able to get by with a pad if you played simple characters and didn't need to charge a buster, search for evidence or do multiple variations of a super. But still, you're limiting the number of characters and teams you could play. And, if you're the sort of person that has a ton of different teams, you might have to change your control configuration in between every team switch just to accommodate the different buttons you need.


    You're welcome to try again, but I guarantee you that there is no pad configuration that allows you to do everything you'd ever want to do that matches the simplicity and ease of just using an arcade stick. I know this because I actually used to use a pad in this game.

    you have got to be mentally challenged.

    - no one cares about playing Phoenix Wright. if you want to play him, do your thing. i'm not setting up a controller configuration for the worst character in the game.

    - hold Triangle to charge your buster during LL's. use L1 as your L attack while you do. this isn't difficult. takes some practice, but Mihe and a few other Zeros i've seen on stream play pad and have no difficulty performing LL's. why was L3 your first thought for holding M?

    - as i explained in the post you disregarded, L+M and M+H are easy to hit with face buttons. your thumb can easily press Square and Triangle together, as well as Triangle and Circle at the same time. hence why they do not need their own input buttons. you're trying to make this more obtuse than it really is.

    - set XF to R3? if you have difficulty pushing all 4 face buttons at once, there's still a button input i left alone. to top it off it never gets touched so there wouldnt be any accidental XFC's.

    the only reason this controller configuration is so wonky is because you expected me to accommodate for three characters no one plays together. if you're playing Zero, you're not going to use Phoenix Wright or Raccoon, and odds are you wouldn't use Task either. so all i need is the L1 = L attack setup for it. Task/Raccoon are easily accounted for by setting L2 to L+H so that R2 can remain the default LMH if you so please. and, again, Phoenix Wright is irrelevant. if you're playing him, you can set something up involving the M button so that you can hit the second evidence slot. i don't know anything about Maya plinking, so it's not like i can exactly account for it in my setups.
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  • JediLinkJediLink Has 100%'d Super Smash Bros Melee Joined: Posts: 719
    you have got to be mentally challenged.

    I'm actually not. Might as well mention it, you know.
    no one cares about playing Phoenix Wright. if you want to play him, do your thing. i'm not setting up a controller configuration for the worst character in the game.

    Actually, people do care about Phoenix Wright. I care about playing Phoenix Wright. And I did do my thing. And it was annoying. But then I bought a stick, and it wasn't.
    hold Triangle to charge your buster during LL's. use L1 as your L attack while you do. this isn't difficult. takes some practice, but Mihe and a few other Zeros i've seen on stream play pad and have no difficulty performing LL's. why was L3 your first thought for holding M?

    You've got me there. The way I thought of doing it was stupid. Even still, since your finger is resting on L1, your left hand is going to be in a different position to usual and thus doing motions is weird if you're used to holding the controller normally. Yeah, it's nothing that you can't fix with practice but that's practice that you would never have to do with a stick.
    as i explained in the post you disregarded, L+M and M+H are easy to hit with face buttons. your thumb can easily press Square and Triangle together, as well as Triangle and Circle at the same time. hence why they do not need their own input buttons. you're trying to make this more obtuse than it really is.

    Maybe your thumb. My thumb is pretty small.
    set XF to R3? if you have difficulty pushing all 4 face buttons at once, there's still a button input i left alone. to top it off it never gets touched so there wouldnt be any accidental XFC's.

    Fair point. I don't know why I didn't consider this.
    the only reason this controller configuration is so wonky is because you expected me to accommodate for three characters no one plays together. if you're playing Zero, you're not going to use Phoenix Wright or Raccoon, and odds are you wouldn't use Task either. so all i need is the L1 = L attack setup for it. Task/Raccoon are easily accounted for by setting L2 to L+H so that R2 can remain the default LMH if you so please. and, again, Phoenix Wright is irrelevant. if you're playing him, you can set something up involving the M button so that you can hit the second evidence slot. i don't know anything about Maya plinking, so it's not like i can exactly account for it in my setups.

    Who said anything about playing them together? I could have 3 different teams, one with each character on it. If I did, I would have to go into options and change my controller configuration every time I wanted to switch teams. Again, with a pad, you're limiting yourself. What if I meet some button mashing scrub online and I want to play Phoenix Wright just to troll him? I'd have to leave the match to reconfigure my controls.

    Basically, all you've been proving is that it's possible to do stuff with a pad. I don't deny that. If using a pad was unworkable, then there's no way that I would have stuck with this game for a whole year before switching to a stick. But with a pad, you're not only limiting the teams that you can play, you have to generally put in more work to use one. That's why I think a stick is better. Also, remember what I said:
    It's not entirely preference. Stick is better for numerous things, especially in this game.

    Some of it does, in fact, come down to preference. But not all of it. There are several things that are just outright easier on a stick.
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  • HusteenHusteen We have a problem. Joined: Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭
    yes, a pad is a standard ps3 controller, and stick refers to an arcade stick. i've never heard anyone call their xbox controller a pad, so i'm not sure on that one.
    i completed all UMVC3 missions, minus shuma and jill, on my ps3 controller. sentinel's 10 was probably the hardest. people reported that "the hard part" is a 2-frame link!
    wrote:
    you have got to be mentally challenged.
    I'm actually not. Might as well mention it, you know.

    and i might as well mention that guy is a troll.
  • JediLinkJediLink Has 100%'d Super Smash Bros Melee Joined: Posts: 719
    and i might as well mention that guy is a troll.

    Neither of us are trolls. We're just arguing. That's really not uncommon for a forum AKA a medium for discussion.
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  • BakuhakubasugasuBakuhakubasugasu Eating dreams since '96. Joined: Posts: 3,329
    Preference, easily.

    I grew up playing fighting games in the arcades so I use stick for Marvel. I use pad for everything else and also keyboard when playing games on the computer/laptop. I can also play Marvel on pad but it feels way more comfortable and still makes me remember the MVC2 days back in the arcades.
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  • Brewski_420Brewski_420 Jumping S until it works. Joined: Posts: 181
    I play on a PS3 pad and I have to say that tri-dashing is way simpler on a arcade stick, I've been playing Doom for a while and I still mess up his tri-dashes from time to time. Other than that I can do everything else a stick supposedly does better like Buster charging, Plink dashing, etc. Heck I even play Shuma on pad :D
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    Not gonna lie, playing mahvel on DS3 is pretty ass imo.
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  • Shadow0x0cloudShadow0x0cloud Still a Scrub Joined: Posts: 124
    it's a preference.


    To be honest, I feel that with a little button switching and a day in practice mode anyone can play any character. (And yes I do play Phoenix wright on occasion) Mainly I see it as which do you prefer to use, the d-pad or the actual joy stick. If its the joy stick, I'd recommend you to get a stick and if its the d-pad I'd recommend the ps3 pad.

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  • Din0Din0 Retired Joined: Posts: 4,143 ✭✭✭✭
    A stick is a luxury in this game, not a prerequisite. I play DualShock 3 pad and I play rather "high execution" characters in this game, including Magneto/Dante/Iron Man/Morrigan/Zero.
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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Hey Fatty Boom Boom, Hit Me with the Ching Ching Joined: Posts: 3,499 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's not entirely preference. Stick is better for numerous things, especially in this game. I can talk with large text too.

    and Pad is better for numerous things as well.

    Double/Triple Motions, CPing, TK's are a few.

    It's a preference.
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  • Bryanv2Bryanv2 BryanJ Joined: Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭
    Ok Pad (d-pad on pad?) Vs stick is preference.

    However what do you guys think about using the ANALOG stick on a controller? That's what I play with but I have a feeling the d-pad or a stick is 20x more accurate especially with diagonal motions. I can't get myself to really play the d-pad on controllers as I love the smooth motions of the analog hence me looking for a stick.
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  • Hot PantsHot Pants Bring Back SonSon! Joined: Posts: 527
    I use the standard PS3 dualshock, and used the PS2/PS1 controller before that.
    Generally modern games cater towards pad players much more than they used to (with the exception of KOFXIII. Short hops etc seems pretty hard on pad. Also Skullgirls is kinda hard with all it's butttonss.)

    I've found nothing in UMvC3 that's impossible to execute on the PS3 standard controller. ;)

    @Bryanv2: Dude, I used to play on the analog. Learn d-pad, it makes things A LOT easier in the long run.
    It takes a little while though. My execution got a lot better when I learnt d-pad, especially with things like FADCs in SF4.
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  • bkfst_sausagebkfst_sausage ST / SRK2k3 OG Joined: Posts: 2,802
    I know a dude in PA that took top 16 at NEC 2k11 on an Xbox pad...
    He manages Wesker/Dorm/Task on pad just fine...
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  • mugenrlz19mugenrlz19 Joined: Posts: 42
    I think I'm going to seize the opportunity and ask the PS3 pad players here: how do you backwards wavedash on the PS3 pad?
  • bkfst_sausagebkfst_sausage ST / SRK2k3 OG Joined: Posts: 2,802
    I think I'm going to seize the opportunity and ask the PS3 pad players here: how do you backwards wavedash on the PS3 pad?
    Back + Square + Triangle, down/back, repeat.

    My config was a bit different... For the record, I don't play anymore, but when I did...

    SQ = L
    TRI = H
    X = M
    O = S
    L1R1 = A1
    L2R2 = A2

    I held the right "handle" of the pad with my thumb, ring and pinky, and used my index and middle to attack. Left index to use assists, and analog stick on thumb. If I had a DS1 with converter at my disposal, then I used the R1/R2 instead of the L buttons and tapped them with my ring finger.

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  • AirLancerAirLancer Just a touch of Honey Joined: Posts: 501 ✭✭✭
    I play KOF on pad. The only thing I really find difficult is buffering charge moves into each other, like with Leona's HD combos.
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  • mugenrlz19mugenrlz19 Joined: Posts: 42
    Back + Square + Triangle, down/back, repeat.

    I've been trying to do that, and it just doesn't work for me. So I thought I could do something similar to plink dashing - assign :l:+:m: to R1, for instance, then go for :b: + :h:, :b: + R1, repeat. It would be interesting to know if anybody else does it this way, and find out which of the two methods is easier.
  • Bryanv2Bryanv2 BryanJ Joined: Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭
    @Bryanv2: Dude, I used to play on the analog. Learn d-pad, it makes things A LOT easier in the long run.
    It takes a little while though. My execution got a lot better when I learnt d-pad, especially with things like FADCs in SF4.

    I knew it! Damn :[ lol. Ive been using Analog forever and even did pretty good Vs the locals here here but the amount of random input errors I get suck. Doesnt help that im playing Dante, and learning Viper/Mag on the side lol. Also yea anything involving multiple direction presses looks easier

    Ill just order a stick and if I don't like that I'll swap to the d-pad. If players like Fanatiq can place incredibly high with a pad anything should be possible. Tho if its the most practical Im not sure. I want a stick mainly for things like easoer plnkings and better diagonal inputs. Possible on pad, just more annoying for me.
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  • AlphaCommandoAlphaCommando Shingeki no RadicalFuzz Joined: Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I'm going to seize the opportunity and ask the PS3 pad players here: how do you backwards wavedash on the PS3 pad?

    1. Hold the analog stick back with your right thumb
    2. Dash
    3. Press down on the D-Pad with your left thumb
    4. Repeat steps 2 and 3

    It's pretty much completely impractical in almost every situation, but hey, it's an alternative.
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  • fenrir04fenrir04 Joined: Posts: 150
    This is my controller setup:
    Spoiler:

    With this setup, I can use Task's supers by pressing R1+Tri for Horizontal, R1+O for Diag, and Tri+O for Down/Up supers. Changing R2 to M+H will allow you to charge with Zero/Viper and dash with R2 at the same time. Also, you could use the Fanatiq setup which is like my setup but with L3 and R3 blank and R1=L+M and R2=M+H.

    I know having 2 L buttons is really redundant, but I don't know what to replace Square with so I left it like that.
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  • SB MaximusSB Maximus Joined: Posts: 72
    I used to only use pad, but I always liked the feel of arcade sticks more. I switched a couple months ago after I had enough money to get one, and rarely thought about switching back. I think that some things were easier to me on pad, like double motions, quick DPs, and such, but it was all ironed out through training mode. I found movement to be much easier and smoother on a stick, even though my movement was superior on pad at first. Also, I never could of learned Magneto on pad.
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  • mugenrlz19mugenrlz19 Joined: Posts: 42
    1. Hold the analog stick back with your right thumb
    2. Dash
    3. Press down on the D-Pad with your left thumb
    4. Repeat steps 2 and 3

    It's pretty much completely impractical in almost every situation, but hey, it's an alternative.

    Whoa, that IS impractical, hahaha! Thanks for the input, though. I tried doing what I mentioned before (assigning :l:+:m: to R1, then backwards wavedashing via :b: + :h:, :b: + R1, repeat), but idk, it didn't work out the way I thought it would.

    I guess I'll just keep practicing the ":b:, dash, :db:, dash" thing.
  • MarkColtonMarkColton Zero Income Joined: Posts: 34
    I wish Sony would make an official controller suited for fighting games.
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  • mugenrlz19mugenrlz19 Joined: Posts: 42
    I wish Sony would make an official controller suited for fighting games.

    I second that. Sony, Madcatz or any other reliable company. I'm thinking of buying this controller (http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Fighting-Commander-3-Pro-Playstation/dp/B0057WDD6O/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1356367958&sr=8-6&keywords=fighting+pad+ps3). Those six buttons would help me a ton!
  • ErenEren Old Man SRK Joined: Posts: 13,388 mod
    Does anybody play ultimate on a legit Saturn pad? I'm not talking about those wanna-be USBs where the d-pad breaks off over time.
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  • GraphfGraphf Amat Victoria Curam Joined: Posts: 1,206 ✭✭
    I play on a pad but I can't play Vergil or Zero because of the charging moves where you have to keep a button held. It's just too hard to hit anything else. So I generally don't play them, or when I do I just don't use those moves, which sucks and goes back to why I don't play them.

    For everyone else tho, it's 100% fine. I have no problems.

    p.s.
    I also have this problem in SF4 playing Juri. Keeping buttons held down while playing sucks on a pad so I don't play her.
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  • mugenrlz19mugenrlz19 Joined: Posts: 42
    Does anybody play ultimate on a legit Saturn pad? I'm not talking about those wanna-be USBs where the d-pad breaks off over time.

    Ephidel, I don't, but I would. Do you know where I can buy one? And how do I make it work with the PS3?
  • Bryanv2Bryanv2 BryanJ Joined: Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭
    I play on a pad but I can't play Vergil or Zero because of the charging moves where you have to keep a button held. It's just too hard to hit anything else. So I generally don't play them, or when I do I just don't use those moves, which sucks and goes back to why I don't play them.

    For everyone else tho, it's 100% fine. I have no problems.

    p.s.
    I also have this problem in SF4 playing Juri. Keeping buttons held down while playing sucks on a pad so I don't play her.

    Make LT or L2 w/e it is Jab. I play(ed?) Vergil as well on a pad and its extremely easy to charge once you do it like that. Same goes for Zero but I heard at least charge button switching is way harder on a pad. I got a stick now though, and gddamnnnn..why have I waited so long. Pad = faster blocking/reactions for now tho
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  • Xr0s-upXr0s-up u wot m9 Joined: Posts: 609 ✭✭✭
    I think I'm going to seize the opportunity and ask the PS3 pad players here: how do you backwards wavedash on the PS3 pad?
    I actually plink dash backwards. My R1 is the dash button and i just alternate R1 and O really quickly, it's consistent enough for me

    I use DS3 for Marvel. I refrain from using the L3 and R3 as it seems awkward for me.
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  • Seraph NicholasSeraph Nicholas Joined: Posts: 4
    I play on a DS3. D-Pad, for what it's worth. Some of my nightly crew use analog. There doesn't seem to be a great skill difference based on that alone. The guys from across the water SMASH us, though, and they all use stick. I don't think it's the stick alone - But it helps. Anyone here use X-Arcade? I got one for MAME nearly a decade ago, but I remember it being comfortable and responsive. I'm worried about input lag through the converter box, though...
  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 529 ✭✭
    I use the standard dual shock controller that comes with the PS3. My button config is pretty much the preset config. Though I don't like using buttons as short-cuts, I assign light to a shoulder button for charge moves (busters)-

    Square- L
    Triangle- M
    Circle- H
    X- S
    L1- Assist 1
    R1 -Assist 2
    L2- L

    The only thing that seems beyond my means is the backwards wave-dash. On Xbox I use a PS2 pad via converter, with the same button set-up.

    Though this wasn't a pad vs stick debate thread, it would seem that plink dashing is easier on stick as you can use multiple fingers to press buttons as opposed to just a thumb with my button configuration. The only real advantage I think stick players have over pad players are the fact that while standard ps pads and standard xbox pads are different, sticks are generally the same. So you only have to worry about its compatibility, as opposed to trying to find a converter or universal controller for pads.
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  • EggmiestahEggmiestah Joined: Posts: 10
    Hi!! Ive been gaming Umvc3 on the Ps vita for about 8 months and im so used to the controller.I got the ps3 version recently and I cant do anything online, The analog sticks are way to big. Fighting sticks are out of the question. I am looking for a controller that would have smaller analog sticks, and maybe the buttons closer together (but that doesn't really bother me too much).

    Ive tried using the ultimate controller (use the vita as a controller) but it connects through the internet causing input lag, and since I main dante its really hard for me to time anything due to this.
  • WalkTheAgonyWalkTheAgony 128√e980 Joined: Posts: 191
    I had a TE Madcatz fightstick and I stick with the Control Pad because I feel more in control of the pad.The fightstick was amazing but it just felt weird for me to have something super big sitting on my leg and I felt like I was a lot slower on the fight stick.
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  • Chukz15Chukz15 Low Tier Option select is the future. Joined: Posts: 492 ✭✭
    I'm not sure about the modern games, but sfa3 on my DS3 is near impossible.


    Charge,grapplers, or any character with specific 1 frame links are out of the question. I feel I had a stick I would be able to execute easier, but hopefully when I pickup ssfiv I can use ibuki, fuerte, hawk, cammy, and guy without any problems, or else I'm going to be waiting a while before I can actually play.
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  • Tickle BrisketTickle Brisket Joined: Posts: 72
    It's preference is some games more than others and is character dependant! I want to play Zero, he is my favorite chracter,but alas charging constantly and lightning loops is just out of its league.
  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 529 ✭✭
    It's preference is some games more than others and is character dependant! I want to play Zero, he is my favorite chracter,but alas charging constantly and lightning loops is just out of its league.

    Disagree... I would almost say 'wrong' but it's an opinion so I won't go to that extent lol...

    But nah, you can do everything you said it just depends on your button configuration. I set L2 to light so that I can always charge. And I can t'k easily on pad so pad does not stop me from looping at all.
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