Community Team Tech Development: Cycle 6 Dante/Morrigan/Doom

xero15 · January 27

tab, post: 7935895, member: 40123 wrote:

also did ya'll know that storm can raw tag into dante off normal juimp airthrows for combos? hopefully someone fines a way to make that work out and do good damage. i genuinely feel that's the biggest issue on the team since you've got a such a crutch when you get 2 meters in dealing with most situations.

Check the storm thread he's not the only one that can abuse this.

Also Storm Dante should be able to still get 900K or so when you DHC into Dante and mash all hits

Toki · January 27

One main thing I can think of as anti-Morri tech is Storm's Elemental Rage as a counter to Astral Vision activations. You can even DHC into it from Gimlet/Million Dollars and it'll beat it out. If you really have to kill her (and have the meter) you can go Gimlet > Elemental Rage > Million Dollars > XFC. Of course, if you're going to DHC, you could just as well use Ice Storm and be done with it. I just don't see too many people use Elemental Rage as a punish.

Edit: I'm a terrible Dante player so I likely won't post any vids of him.

xero15 · January 27

Toki, post: 7941217, member: 44720 wrote:

One main thing I can think of as anti-Morri tech is Storm's Elemental Rage as a counter to Astral Vision activations. You can even DHC into it from Gimlet/Million Dollars and it'll beat it out. If you really have to kill her (and have the meter) you can go Gimlet > Elemental Rage > Million Dollars > XFC. Of course, if you're going to DHC, you could just as well use Ice Storm and be done with it. I just don't see too many people use Elemental Rage as a punish.

Edit: I'm a terrible Dante player so I likely won't post any vids of him.

I play Spidey/Storm and I use this but the problem I can see here is the fact that neither Hawkeye or Dante have invincible start up on their supers. I only mention this because the times Morrigan is more than likely to pop Astral Vision she's already made herself safe with missiles or her own spam. I tried DHC'ing into Hailstorm on her but that damn unfly of hers is so damn fast that she was able to block it and it's not that useful when it's only punishing the assist and now I'm out meter :sad:

Here's me demonstrating you can DHC for more than 900k

Honzogonzo · January 27

Mr. Puppy, post: 7939948, member: 57783 wrote:

thats like day 1 hawkeye tech.

alright ill take my day 1 tech and not contribute further, have fun being a cunt to others

Cryoh · January 27

Mr. Puppy, post: 7939948, member: 57783 wrote:

thats like day 1 hawkeye tech.

You done shitting on helpful people yet, jackass?

Bakuhakubasugasu · January 27

Relax, he's just a puppy.

I'm gonna try to record some stuff with this team as well. As soon as my PVR stop fucking up. :bluu:

Korbidon · January 27

Theory question:

What order do you play this team in? You have 2 excellent assists in Dante and Hawk, and the sexy Storm DHC, as well, as Storm infinite from the second spot. Hawk/Storm/Dante makes sense, but do you really want to be starting Hawkeye on point?

Storm/Dante/Hawk could work, but you have to deal with crappy Storm damage and meter building in the first spot.

In fact, I think the thing this team is going to struggel with is raw damage.

DevilJin 01 · January 27

Honzogonzo, post: 7941904, member: 20675 wrote:

alright ill take my day 1 tech and not contribute further, have fun being a cunt to others

That day one combo is completely better than anything he's done so far any way.

Korbidon, post: 7942954, member: 20495 wrote:

Theory question:

What order do you play this team in? You have 2 excellent assists in Dante and Hawk, and the sexy Storm DHC, as well, as Storm infinite from the second spot. Hawk/Storm/Dante makes sense, but do you really want to be starting Hawkeye on point?

Storm/Dante/Hawk could work, but you have to deal with crappy Storm damage and meter building in the first spot.

In fact, I think the thing this team is going to struggel with is raw damage.

Yeah this team kinda shows the problem for this thread when you have too many support characters on your team (like all fucking 3). I'm not really a big fan of this team because it's pretty much a huge support hog team that will kill the support options for future teams in this thread. It has ways to work but it's really hogging up the assist and DHC/THC options for other teams.

Past that issue though...I would say the best way to work the team would be to have Dante first. Storm is the only character on the team that can provide a way for big damage off throws for Dante and Dante has superior movement options to deal with the round start. Basically you'll want Storm second on this team so you at least have midscreen TAC infinite for damage at any possible point a hit is landed. It will take a while to kill sometimes and has possibility to drop, but the end result is dead people like you want.

tab · January 27

i'm not limiting the team order as long as it can be switched out from hawkeye/storm/dante at the loading screen using assist buttons.

so, dante/storm/hawkeye, storm/hawkeye,dante are also good too. and hawkeye on point with jam session isn't too bad for round starts. it's important that he starts vs point morrigan- against teams that aren't point morrigan is when you bust out other teams or a different team order.

the assists are obviously going to be whirlwind and jam session for storm and dante, but for hawkeye i am completely open to all assists being used- i think every single one of them can provide something interesting to the specific matchup in this case.

edit:
also i played a crack session with the team yesterday and from what i could tell, storm/dante and vice versa with xf2 is still actually a massive problem with huge comeback potential because of the nature of hailstorm. if the opponent stops calling assists at all then obviously you're going to be able to do stuff too. if you switch in characters and they die storm/hawkeye, hawkeye/storm, dante/hawkeye and hawkeye/dante are all decent pairings too, though they're all also itching for damage since hawkeye is a dhc component in that pairing.

i was playing it against an extremely competent (just straight up good tbh!) zero/morrigan/doom and was able to take several game streaks off him despite my complete inexperience with two thirds of the team, if that means anything. all team combinations were able to pull off an extreme amount of work which was really nice, and every single time i killed zero with hawkeye still on point (so no dhc) i won- morrigan starting was absolutely forced to burn xf and start rushing down because of this later on which was a fun way to find out this team might have some problems vs morrigan's rushdown of all things.

this is not a real strategy but lightning attack is really fucking amazing somehow at mindfucking people. when they call missiles and you do a lightning attack from a weird angle and hit both doom and the point and then kill them with lightning storm->dhc to dante it is really great.

i've found that for the THC in punishing doom's assist it is better to xfactor and kill off doom asap for teams where it's clearly 'good character, morrigan, doom'- even moreso if you get a birthday in punishing them. solo morrigan in xf3 still can't catch storm which is really really great and hawkeye can provide a somewhat safe tagging-in setup against incoming characters and matchups where they can't do lots of damage from fullscreen with exploding arrow (raw tag puts them directly on top of the arrow with the timing being almost perfect to punish normals if they go up for them)

edit 2: oh also storm can combo off of her ground throws with dante thc. it's pretty cool. idk if dante can do anything but off any airthrow he can thc for damage at the very least

ok just tested it he gets thc off his ground throws too. off front throw you gotta dash forward first though.

luis_fernando · January 27

if you start storm, you can do c. L, s.M, C. H, j. MMH, s. M, c.H, j. H adf + hawkeye triple arrow, j. H jump and float j .H, launch, j. MH and TAC. this lets you TAC into dante and not hawkeye, you can continue the combo with dante OR TAC again and you will go back to storm

Densuo · January 27

The thing I'm wondering about here is the best assist for Hawkeye to use. It's either Poison Tip or Triple Arrows.

Gimlet for the insta punish DHC Hail storm just screams nasty. And if they're on the ground and Storm is KO'd Dante can DHC in with Million dollars.

Pushback from whirlwind + the priority and mix of Rusty nail ( Speed Shot), H, Spritzer (Piercing bolt) on Hawkeye's movment.

This team has a lot of potential.... It just sucks that Jam Session is the clear best here. Weasel Shot for some Lock down to force chip and fish for mistakes might be good too. or weasel shot assist into Fair/Foul winds... but that would work better with Jam Session...

Double Typhoon should actually be useable with any of Dante's assists.

EDIT34765: The only real problem I see for this team is start of round. Otherwise, they have sufficient synergy. I feel the main point of this team is to keep them back and build meter to discourage opponents and get them desperate. Once they finally get openned up you'll have chipped and hurt them enough to get it done.

KJunk · January 27

tab, post: 7943170, member: 40123 wrote:

so, dante/storm/hawkeye

You may want to play around with Devil Trigger DHC to Hail Storm to punish.. just about anything. Devil Trigger is like 4 frames pre-flash (3 of which are invincible) and Hail Storm is 1 after the flash.

Against Morridoom, Astral Vision Soul Fists from behind can still hit Storm. I noticed that if it happens right after your DHC, you may be able to recover forward and combo off of it, though. I'll test it out later.

Densuo wrote:

Double Typhoon should actually be useable with any of Dante's assists.

Whirlwind gives you some good left/right mix-ups with a teleport though. Basically, normals + Storm assist -> teleport.

The pushback of the Whirlwinds makes it difficult to tell what's going on. Depending on when you hit what, you can cross them up, they can pass back under you, you can dash back over them, etc.

Densuo · January 27

KJunk, post: 7943626, member: 40829 wrote:

You may want to play around with Devil Trigger DHC to Hail Storm to punish.. just about anything. Devil Trigger is like 4 frames pre-flash (3 of which are invincible) and Hail Storm is 1 after the flash.

Against Morridoom, Astral Vision Soul Fists from behind can still hit Storm. I noticed that if it happens right after your DHC, you may be able to recover forward and combo off of it, though. I'll test it out later.

Mah NIGGA. You read my mind, I was just about to edit that into my post.

Densuo · January 28

KJunk, post: 7943626, member: 40829 wrote:

You may want to play around with Devil Trigger DHC to Hail Storm to punish.. just about anything. Devil Trigger is like 4 frames pre-flash (3 of which are invincible) and Hail Storm is 1 after the flash.

Against Morridoom, Astral Vision Soul Fists from behind can still hit Storm. I noticed that if it happens right after your DHC, you may be able to recover forward and combo off of it, though. I'll test it out later.

Whirlwind gives you some good left/right mix-ups with a teleport though. Basically, normals + Storm assist -> teleport.

The pushback of the Whirlwinds makes it difficult to tell what's going on. Depending on when you hit what, you can cross them up, they can pass back under you, you can dash back over them, etc.

I'm referring to point storm using Double Typhoon when Dante lands a Jam Session. the frame advantage off of Double Typhoon hit or block is great

MrBGuy · January 28

If you THC with Hawkeye and Dante behind you, you can taunt after gimlet and recover in time to launch after million dollars.

#contributing

LegendaryDJ · January 28

MrBGuy, post: 7946568, member: 50697 wrote:

If you THC with Hawkeye and Dante behind you, you can taunt after gimlet and recover in time to launch after million dollars.

#contributing

That's the tech I like to see!

charlie88 · January 28

How much damage can Dante get off a Hailstorm DHC to DT?

highlulu · January 28

Honzogonzo, post: 7939497, member: 20675 wrote:

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dante can do more dmg post hard-tag. been working on maxing out the dmg my nova/frank/dante team. anyways volcano otg > jmh xx killer bee, backdash S xx gun shots xx stinger xx bold cancel > hammer. from there you have them back on the ground to add whatever assist extensions your team allows

Mr. Puppy · January 29

lol Honzo sure is a sensitive guy for someone who trolls more than most people in the FGC

chirp · January 29

charlie88, post: 7946841, member: 19683 wrote:

How much damage can Dante get off a Hailstorm DHC to DT?

Like 100k, lol. It's really not worth it unless you're going to spend X Factor as well

HyperShieldSlash · January 29

If you run it as Dante/Whirlwind/Poison Tip, Poison Tip gives storm slightly more pre-meter damage, and of course, The rawtag fro her throws into dante is there, and poison damage is unscaled, I believe. If you do devil triggerDHC Hail Storm DHC Gimlet, I think you can link another Gimlet, then xfc Gimlet.

GodotsRevenge · January 30

MrBGuy, post: 7946568, member: 50697 wrote:

If you THC with Hawkeye and Dante behind you, you can taunt after gimlet and recover in time to launch after million dollars.

#contributing

Old tech. Teabag loops are so much more effective.

tab · January 30

something that could be interesting off hailstorm-> devil trigger would be resets, though i'm not quite sure how effective they'd be given the assists here. they're not exactly a strider or akuma. doing that into grapple at the very least would be a start into a 50/50, right?

also, raw hailstorm into devil trigger into mixup is the other obvious thing that could be worked on setup wise. i'm imagining hailstorm gives you a little bit of leeway in setting stuff up, but only maybe enough to close the gap with teleport and then acid rain.

also maybe clever crossunders with hawkeye/jam session that then abuse scatter shot's soft knockdown for a full combo, maybe?

luis_fernando · January 30

hard knockdown with storm
delayed hail storm(supposed to miss) DHC to devil trigger? I would test stuff out, but im already procrastinating my school work as it is.

LegendaryDJ · January 30

What type of mix ups would Dante get off of Hail Storm DHC? Most of the mix ups I see Dantes use are Left/Rights with air dashes and sword normals, but those would be negated by the fact that they'll be stuck in block stun through the duration of the super. I'd assume it'd start off by Hail Storm, Devil Trigger, Teleport. What kind of high lows does Dante do normally with a lock down assist?

This DHC mix up would probably work something like the Doom/Ammy TAC, right? Fishing for the hit that opens them up so the super can knock them down or keep them pinned so you can start a full combo.

chirp · January 30

Dante doesn't really have high/lows except whiff j.l into low. Although with Devil Trigger you can do flight overhead stuff a la Morrigan.
Whirlwind is one of the assists that, on block, makes Stinger pass through the opponent so Dante ends up on the other side for some reason. You need specific spacing but that shouldn't be too hard to set up considering they'd be stuck in blockstun from hailstorm.

Solo wise theres enough time to charge up a multi lock then go for teleport/box jump shenanigans with devil trigger's double air dash.

luis_fernando · January 30

whiff hammer into low lol

acid rain, boldcancelled normal into double airdash shenanigans?

tab · January 30

can't you do a ghetto high/low where you do box dash j.m airplay, invisible j.l or cr.l?

luis_fernando · January 30

tab, post: 7954332, member: 40123 wrote:

can't you do a ghetto high/low where you do box dash j.m airplay, invisible j.l or cr.l?

instant j.s into airplay is probably faster than the box dash

discovigilante · January 31

Does it have to be this order? I kind of like Dante behind Hawkeye to get Gimlet -> DT punish/hit confirms.

tab · January 31

the order storm/hawkeye/dante is totally there, so hawkeye/dante is there as a combination if you want to explore that. there really isn't a limitation on orders between pairs as the assist switching of orders gives all pairs a possible order- it's only if you use both assists where it gets a lil "impractical" if it's not with that order's first character.

and even then not really because the entire team has safe dhcs

MAGUS1234 · February 1

Im playing 2/3's of this team hawk/dante so I can add some little tricks here and there. I'll try to up load some shitty vids later.

Duck Strong · February 2

Shame I didn't see this thread until now. I know a lot about Task and Doom and I can think of a few things I could have contributed that no one really mentioned.

That and making Honzo look foolish is a plus :nunchuck:

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I don't really play any of the guys on the current team so I can't help :(.

Next team maybe.

I was thinking something more along the lines of effective block strings for next time. Task and Doom work well together because they can lock someone down pretty good and force a lot of chip with the right sequence. Missiles mixed with air double arrows and smart use of charged and uncharged arrows can lead to over 200k of chip at a time, even more if you're willing to blow meter (which I think is actually not a bad thing for Tasky to do since I believe Legion Arrow is + on block from full screen). Things like that are interesting to me.

It's nice to focus on the weaknesses of a character (inability to easily combo off certain situations like ground throws for task), but if you can contribute something that strengthens an already strong aspect, there's no harm in that either.

Ouroborus · February 2

Korbidon, post: 7942954, member: 20495 wrote:

Theory question:

What order do you play this team in? You have 2 excellent assists in Dante and Hawk, and the sexy Storm DHC, as well, as Storm infinite from the second spot. Hawk/Storm/Dante makes sense, but do you really want to be starting Hawkeye on point?

Storm/Dante/Hawk could work, but you have to deal with crappy Storm damage and meter building in the first spot.

In fact, I think the thing this team is going to struggel with is raw damage.

why wouldn't you want to start with hawkeye. this is logically the best choice. just don't lose hawkeye since storm/dante is really hard to come back with. i don't believe in xf3 dante.

2nd best order imo is dante/storm/hawkeye. only problem is surviving vs wolverine at the beginning of the round. gun super (million something) dhc hail does pretty good damage.

Ryder "shakobe" McGoo · February 14

New thread when?

charlie88 · February 14

So I guess nobody won for the new cycle so I am just going to select a team then until maybe Chrisis decides to update a winner or something just to keep the trend moving.

Felicia/Dorm/Magneto

Merkyl999x · February 14

Yeah, this past cycle got murdered by the site being down. :/

We moving on or sticking with it?

The Duke · February 14

@Chrisis of Earth!

Steelguttey · February 16

If we are starting anew then

Vergil/Morrigan/Shuma. I like this team over Chris G's because Ray helps Vergil more than missiles does and Morrigan can make good use of Shuma's assist. Thoughts?

McTease · February 16

I'd like to see an exposé of Felicia/Strange/Akuma but that's just me I'll assume.

jak d ripr · February 17

Id like to see spencer/dante/akuma get explored but thats obviously just because Im learning that team. With that said though, I think that team has a lot of really cool synergy in almost every order. Was watching insayne pushblock and punish some vergil player on friday with a bionic arm everytime he went for a full string. With dante in the back(and two bars) spencer can get some much off a bionic arm.

/shameless self promotion.

LegendaryDJ · February 17

Sure, let everyone suggest a team.

Densuo · February 17

As much as I want to flaunt my team of Haggar (lariat) Chris (Land Mine) Taskmaster (hori arrows) I want to see some combinations with some of the more under utilized characters.

People are quick to try to treat the game like Mahvel 2 and say people are obsolete already, and I'm just not buying it.

Whatever team is used let's see some Jill

Merkyl999x · February 17

X23/IM/RR

I need some more RR tech for FR.

Plus I can show everyone a few ways how to make IM not terrible.

Saturius · February 17

Why are people suggesting new teams? Has anyone even found tech yet for the current one? Just cause the site was dead doesn't seem like a good enough reason to abandon this one already.

Merkyl999x · February 17

I don't think anyone knows what we're doing atm. It was supposed to be 2 week blocks and the last cycle seemed to be a huge bust, plus getting screwed over by the site going down.

If we're still working on the last one someone post some tech? I've never done more than mission mode with those 3 so my contributions this cycle are pretty much nonexistent.

charlie88 · February 18

Its week 4 and the team hasn't change people had a week and a half before to find tech and NOONE chimed in. Thats why I suggest a new team. If people had tech for those teams they should have already posted it. I'm trying to keep this ish moving and get more teams into the mix.

LegendaryDJ · February 18

That's true. Problem is now is that since no one actually won we don't have a seamless way to move onto the next team. I guess we could take it to a vote, or find some other way.

jak d ripr · February 18

I don't think a vote is a good way, everyone is just gonna vote for their team, I know for a fact Im voting for my team lol, I ain't even ashamed to say it. We should prolly just give the torch back to chrisis to select what the next team is going to be.

LegendaryDJ · February 18

I'd be cool with flipping a coin. Or I guess do a random number generator. Take the suggested teams here, give them a number, and run this. http://www.random.org/

Community Team Tech Development: Cycle 6 Dante/Morrigan/Doom

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