How is your team vs. Morridoom? Is it the team or Chris G?

DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Quantum Theorist. Liquid Dubstep EnergyJoined: Posts: 33,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
I had thought about doing this and someone in the tier thread mentioned it earlier.

1. List your current main team and how you think it deals with Morrigan/Doom between the point/second and anchor. Do all 3 characters with or without assist have a fighting shot or are you up the creek if left with a certain one? Does your team have ashot whether Morri is on point or in the second spot?

2. What team(s) do you think would do well or possibly eventually counter MorriDoom?

3. Do you believe the team is truly that unbeatable or do you believe its more Chris G?

I'll also list who has stated their opinion on the Team or Chris G thing.

Shell is basically unbeatable once conditions are met/he found an end game team = Ultimator, D4Gamers

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1. My current new team that I'm maining is Viper/Strange bolts/Dante jam. I believe pretty much every character on the team has some type of answer to Morri Doom. Viper...I've already explained enough especially if she's on point and low on meter. Can put projectiles on the screen faster and with more durability than Morrigan. Bolts and lasers take up the full horizontal space for a very long time and cuts off her abilit to use an assist to set up AV to begin with. Things go bad Viper has a lot of air options to start burning things out or if she has meter can go HAM with EX thunder knuckle or seismo to get in. Just have to be careful about her building a second meter and DHCing into Vergil if that is who is second.

Strange especially with meter and jam sess can help get projectiles on the screen quickly to soak things up. Mystic sword should easily be able to cut off missiles calls and/or keep her at bay from the projectiles she throws from the air. With meter you have vishanti to instantly blow up any bad fireballs and blow up missiles also if she was near Doom. Projectile counter super can clear things up and blow up Doom assist also. Plus HAM teleports.

Dante has plenty tools of his own on point especially with Devil Trigger. Thunder bolt and vortex are both great for pressuring Morri's fireball and normal game and cutting off missiles calls. Especially with bolts assist could work well even if she's in AV.


2. Not going to list any specific teams but I can see teams with point Hawkeye, Viper, V.Joe, Magneto and Firebrand especially doing well in the future. Rushdown types still strong at running in if she's on point before she gets started.

That's just against point Morri. More characters/teams should be able to handle second spot Morri although that may end up being her most dangerous spot in the future.


3. I think its more Chris G than anything. Morri/Vergil/Doom is cheap...but too many people act as if the team is doing more work than Chris G is. Although Morrigan is one of the best characters at dealing with the start of the round...you'd rather be fighting her first than Vergil with infinite meter and missiles. Put together a team that can beat her flood and kill her off and set up guard break/unblockable on Vergil if she dies in the corner.

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  • LegendaryDJLegendaryDJ I'm Done Joined: Posts: 2,771
    I main Thor/Dorm/Doom and am in the process of learning Ammy for Nova/Doom/Ammy. I feel like I can beat MorriDoom free because aside from me being the best Marvel player in the world, I'm playing my two favorite Marvel characters in the world, Thor and Nova. Not much else to it than that.

    Really and truly, it all boils down to the player. Chris G's team allows him to afford mistakes while still being able to control the pace of the game. Him being an exceptional player of the game just compounds the threat. I think the team itself isn't really endgame, but it should ideally force players to pick up and master endgame teams. That's pretty much the common sense gist of it all. Teams with characters that have all their tools optimized should be able to fight it. Players with the better grasp on the game should be able to beat it.
  • <Insert Name Here>&lt;Insert Name Here&gt; Guesses right 100% of the time Joined: Posts: 6,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In theory if Firebrand gets enough pressure on Morri before she pops Astral Vision then my team has a chance, and there's a DHC to Dorm so that he can get in safely and wreak havoc.

    Sentinel in the back probably doesn't give me too much of a chance, though.
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  • The UltimatorThe Ultimator I fight for my friends. Joined: Posts: 1,977
    Thing is, Jrosa, who is arguably a bad player, is placing very high with Morridoom. So it's not just ChrisG.

    I think the team is endgame because of how much of the cast it shits on. Morridoom should never lose once it gets started. The things that can supposedly counter it are usually theory-fighting things, minus Viper's EX Thunder Knuckle, and that's only safe if she XFs or has more meter.

    There's been nothing that's been a proven counter, just a couple of things that give it a harder time, like Nova or Vergil.

    Also, I play Hawkeye religiously, and I can safely say that he should get bopped by Morridoom. Gimlet is decent, but it's not that good against her since she can flight cancel to block, plus if she's on the ground she can use her invincible level 1, and if she has Vergil or some other character that can combo off of it, Hawkeye is as good as dead. Any projectiles he has that beat multiple soul fists have too much startup, and his main super-jump height controlling arrows have far too much startup to be able to get them off against her.

    None of my teams should win against morridoom.....Zero/Ammy/Phoenix has no answer to anything Morridoom can do, and Hawkeye/Ammy/Frank is almost as bad against it.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Quantum Theorist. Liquid Dubstep Energy Joined: Posts: 33,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    snip

    Are you talking once she's in astral vision or before astral vision? I personally feel her on point is the best position to get at her before the astral vision takes place that locks up most of the cast. Usually the Morri player wants to wait to get to near 2 meters before activating so running away won't burn out their astral vision on the first go.


    Do you feel point is her best spot?
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  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    well I have a few teams but all of them have haggar in and the ones that do well have deadpool in as well so I'm going to start with haggar vs morridoom if I dont stop it before it starts I've lost haggar simple as
    however deadpool is a lot better by himself with a reset or two morrigan is dead like haggar (but without the reset) plus he can avoid the chip and get in with a bit of luck
    together I prefer deadpool with haggar because I can either risk a tac and then do a THC which will kill morrigan for sure or go for reset.
    with haggar with deadpool assist I just have a better chance to stop it before it starts or THC to snip missiles
  • LanzomaLanzoma Pragmatic Fighter Joined: Posts: 58
    1. I play the same team as Chris G, so obviously I lose.

    2. Morri/Doom has counters, which basically boil down to, 1) Limit the ability to call Doom safely (e.g. EM Disruptor), and 2) Limit Morri's air movement options. You need to shut down both, arguably in order, or one will facilitate the other...and the problem is that most teams are not built for this. Another problem is that characters who could fight her when properly assisted have a bad start of the round vs her, or have no way to avoid AV chip. I've found that a properly assisted zoning Magneto is hell to fight, because H disruptor eats through fireball + morri + doom, is air-ok, and he can float outside of SJ Soul Fist range vs AV. Mags can also convert into TOD from nearly everything, so there's that.

    3. It's a mix of Chris G being extremely solid and top players who are on his level not adapting their team vs him. It was great to see Marlin Pie fight correctly at APEX, and RayRay seems to be looking at other options, so it is possible we'll see Chris struggling in the future.

    I feel like he can get away with a lot of unsafe movement, which makes Morri/Doom very oppressive, because nobody other than top players punishing him for it...which makes Morri/Doom look much better than what it is. Of course, just because it's unsafe doesn't mean it's easy to punish...
  • ClimhazzardousClimhazzardous I am home Countess! Joined: Posts: 398 ✭✭
    Vergil/Doom/Dante, Dante/Vergil/Strider, and Viper/Doom/Strider.

    I've played quite a few morridooms and characters matter quite a bit but movement is even more important. That said I have played Chris G in tourney and he is on a completely different level than the other ones. We have a few here I 3-0 regularly and I'm quite sure I would scrape Jrosa but Chris is what is making the team win. Dante/Vergil/Strider is as close as you are going to get to a true counter as dante has the moves to ward off soul fists and point jam session+vajra will always keep her honest. Every hit he lands should kill and if you dies Vergil comes in with bars plus Strider which really messes up her inputs.
  • LTPLTP Joined: Posts: 786 ✭✭✭
    I like MODOK/Dorm/Doom against Morridoom. Dok basically gets free pressure at the start of the round, and if it comes to the zoning game, L blaster cuts through fireballs. If I hit Morrigan with a blaster, I can confirm that into HPB, XF, and kill her, then setup an incoming unblockable setup. If I hit Morrigan and Doom with a blaster, once again, I can confirm that into HPB, XF, and kill Doom and probably Morrigan (I've recently updated my 2 for 1 combo in this situation and haven't tested it out on Morridoom yet). If I hit just Doom, I can do HPB, DHC to Chaotic Flame, XF, and do purification + missiles spam or do Chaotic Flame again. AV activations are also punishable with HPB and Chaotic Flame. If she ever manages to get AV out, Dok can wait it out pretty effectively.

    Dok's M cube anti airs a lot of her approach options, and can be confirmed easily into a full combo. L bombs, barriers, and TK cubes are also very effective against her approach.
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  • AzureJerichoAzureJericho To go even further beyond! Joined: Posts: 1,684
    1. Viper (Burn Kick)/Dante (Jam Session)/Strider (Vajra)

    - Viper solo has some tricks to get in through the maze and stall it out when necessary between Burn Kick Feints and Focus Attack. While you wouldn't want to sit around eating the chip or full damage, being aware of your options, especially those that can get you through the maze for attacking or evading/escaping is exceedingly important. You don't want to freeze up the moment the first missiles call goes off or Astral Vision is activated and Mistress SouSou gets her groove on. Viper also excels in the one aspect I feel will become increasingly more important as that meta evolves, sniping Doom (or any assist) safely and often times even outright killing them off a good Laser or two or so Rapid Seismo volleys. Even if you don't get the kill (and really, don't go HAM for that much, patience is key), you already put it into the MorriDoom player's head that you will be aiming for their assist and thus you force their hand to either rush or zone harder with Morrigan alone. This leaves you at complete advantage because Viper is the best counter character (for rushing) and can safely protect her own assists while dealing with the field. Viper's being played optimally here with Jam Session and Vajra assists which make it hell for Morrigan between their uses as anti-air, and Jam's nifty projectile eating properties. As I can almost make their calls completely safe (need practice with AV patterns) so long as I have life to spare with best Vipson (call Jam or Vajra - dash up Focus Attack to absorb projectiles coming in from the front), the real trouble is making sure you aren't caught with one of Morrigan's insanely active normals as the player transitions from zoning to rushdown.

    Viper is also one of the characters in the 1,000K for a meter club so there should be no problem dismantling the succubus if you've gotten a good confirm. If you didn't you should only need the DHC to Million Dollars to clean things up.

    - When Viper goes or gets switched off, we get to Dante who I feel is the de facto counter pick to Morrigan. Period. Mobility out of the ass between his excellent kara/plink dashes, Devil Triggered flight and (most importantly) his multiple kara/plinked dashes in flight mode:



    Means he should rarely if ever sit back and drown in the sea of Soul Fists or Hidden Missile barrages. Multiple large area covering projectiles with durability enough to eat a few Soul Fists lead to him being able to cover any assist with the easiest thing ever (literally a :dp::l:, people don't use this enough in the neutral). Even better is the idea that with an additional cancel into Devil Trigger he becomes a character that gives no real fucks about anything in this matchup short of Morrigan's buttons if he's forced to block (t which point you have to ask yourself what you did to get him into a situation where he had to block) or some nutty anchor/point that compliments the Morrigan/Doom. For stalling there's flight (seriously, Triple Jump xx Fly. Call stupid assists that won't get caught up in the maze and dash around forever), Vortex, Air Play, Thunderbolt (which is doubly excellent for sniping Doom assist as it shows up) or just general shenanigans with the previously mentioned Twister, Crystal/Million Carats, and Jam Session. Backed by an assist like Vajra and it doesn't take much more than one opening in order to totally shift the momentum his way as even a bad confirm afterwards can be rectified via his many potent Grapple resets or a good DHC (for consistency's/peace of mind's sake) or lead to an outright loss of the character depending on the resources you wish to burn. The only problem this team configuration has in this matchup is that Dante gets no mileage off Burn Kick assist in the neutral, so Vajra has to be used liberally and looked after properly.

    - Strider solo however is a situation I have no absolute counters with. As anchor Strider, you want to keep playing the anchor Strider game. Use your mobility between his Melee like ground dashes and Excaliburs to stay in the spots she hasn't reached yet and make your way through the maze. Hold on to as much meter as you can and should you have XF3 or 3 meters, force her to block Dark Orbs Strider. You can attempt to snipe an assist with Gram Hs (MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A FORM B ON STANDBY) but it's highly recommended that you don't throw them out all over as one bad one will doom you against a good player. Chances are, if you're fighting a full team with Strider solo at this point, you definitely will run out of X-Factor before character three and at that point it'll be entirely about pure honest Strider play, something few people at this point have gotten down reliably. Strider has the same issue as Dante with this team configuration in this matchup in that in the neutral out of the other two assists allotted to him, he would definitely prefer having Jam Session to make walls or dance about with in the maze.

    2. I mostly agree with DevilJin in that it'll be a well balanced/supported team with multiple characters (or one doozy point character) that can brawl and dash while getting those hits, something that negates the flood entirely, or ones who get that hit easy and go bat shit from start to finish that will show up to wreck the MorriDoom stuff. The problem is...

    3. Chris G is so fucking experienced at this game through months of playing it and sticking to his shit that he's at a point far beyond where the verage person's fundamentals and UMVC3 specific fundamentals will be. To put this into perspective with a dorky analogy, Chris might not even be playing with the best Pokemon available to him, but with how much work he put in, what's a team of level 10 "absolute" counters to him going to do when he grinded his shit to level 50? :P
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  • AKZuMAKZuM I Make Blizzards Joined: Posts: 97
    30% ChrisG
    50% MorriDoom
    20% Vergil


    100% Gamebreaking
  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Joined: Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭✭
    Has anyone tried point Akuma versus MorriDoom? He has some of the best aspects of Cap, Task, and Dormammu in this match-up.
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  • D4GamersD4Gamers Just Like Cap! Joined: Posts: 268
    I honestly think it's the team, It's definitely the strongest team out there right now. Though I Do have this secret team I'm working on that I feel will most definitely make Chris G's team look like free.

    The most important part of the match against Morridoom is the first 5 seconds, of course everyone feels that if they can touch morrigan it over, they win. That's thing, can you touch her?
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  • OerbaOerba Just a joke! Joined: Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭
    I have been playing Morrigan since Vanilla and Doom ever since I saw ChrisG use Doom, and the absolute main problem I have is Vajra. It doesn't matter if it hits or not; it forces you to block, attempt to hit Strider, or move forward, slowing you down. Pair it with an aggressive character like Vergil, Dante, or Viper and playing can be a nightmare of trying to keep yourself calm and your inputs accurate.

    Even at this point I don't think it's just ChrisG, because who has played him using Viper, Vergil, or Dante paired with Strider on a regular basis? EC is content with playing with their own characters, and I respect that, but it's truly heartbreaking to see people put ChrisG on this pedestal when other Morridooms are struggling to reach his level because we play against opponents willing to adapt.
  • ThatJollyOlBastidThatJollyOlBastid Non-stop Climax! Joined: Posts: 19,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PS3 assist is great against this
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  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭
    I feel my main team (Magneto-disruptor/Task-horizontal/Dante-jam) matches up fairly badly vs her if the Morrigan player knows what they are doing.

    Magneto has no problem fighting her if she uses the grounded patterns of fireballs. H disruptor + assist support covers that well and clears missile calls. But vs normal jump/superjump patterns his options are more limited and in Astral Vision his ability to lame it out is flight dependent so if he gets hit by missiles he'll be forced to fall. Fly xx Blasts stalls for a decent amount and so do superjump Magnetic blasts, but he's limited as his air actions don't keep him fully stationary(except hypergrav). He has problems rushing her down with how good Shell Kick and her Fireball coverage is. He can fight her off with Disruptors if she's predictable, but if you utilize superjump blasts you give her free astral vision activations, and boxdash/normal jump blasts dont have a good angle to zone vs her. I don't feel the Matchup is in Magneto's favor when she's properly assisted, he can definitely fight her but relies on her to make mistakes. 6-4 Morrigan at least.

    Taskmaster just sucks in the Morrigan matchup, Shield Skills + assist is useful when she's outside of astral vision(so is Shield Skills xx H Arrows), but overall his zoning and keepaway game is fairly useless vs her as she has better fireball angles and higher durability/better flood capabilities. In Astral Vision he has 0 options besides taking that chip or using supers. One advantage he offers in the mu is that Doom calls become completely unsafe as he can snipe them on reaction, it just requires meter. My Task relies on THC unblockable setups and Jam Session based rushdown/zoning, it's just that it's hard for him to rush her down and I can't really keep her durability out. 7-3 Morrigan and also relies on the Morrigan player making mistakes for me to win(IMO his worst matchup, Vergil is second)

    Dante does fairly well vs her, just anchor Dante is not as good vs her as he can't teleport + beam or Vajra behind him to keep him safe for the mixup. Teleport + Vajra is her worst nightmare and Dante is the best character at abusing that. Tempest xx DT is a very good way to neutralize Astral Vision, spam Thunderbolts all day, take the missiles reset your air actions and spam thunderbolts again(not vs Vajra though :( ). I like Dante in this matchup, DT fights her well, and well assisted he beats her, I'd say it's 6-4 Dante normally, 7-3 when Dante is assisted(vs Morri/Doom, not vs Morri/Vajra).

    I don't like my main team in that matchup though, and take the easy way out with Hawkeye/Dante/Strider or Dante/Hawkeye/Strider which give me mindless advantages over her in many aspects. Vajra is a very annoying assist for Morrigan to deal with, especially with someone who is better at flooding the screen than her(Hawkeye) or Teleporting behind her(Dante). Hawkeye and Dante have a clear advantage in the matchup.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Quantum Theorist. Liquid Dubstep Energy Joined: Posts: 33,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I honestly think it's the team, It's definitely the strongest team out there right now. Though I Do have this secret team I'm working on that I feel will most definitely make Chris G's team look like free.

    The most important part of the match against Morridoom is the first 5 seconds, of course everyone feels that if they can touch morrigan it over, they win. That's thing, can you touch her?

    My thing more so is I believe there's several other teams that will come up in the future that can either beat her doing stuff similar to what she does at the round start. Especially if they're projectile based.
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  • The UltimatorThe Ultimator I fight for my friends. Joined: Posts: 1,977
    Are you talking once she's in astral vision or before astral vision? I personally feel her on point is the best position to get at her before the astral vision takes place that locks up most of the cast. Usually the Morri player wants to wait to get to near 2 meters before activating so running away won't burn out their astral vision on the first go.


    Do you feel point is her best spot?
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    I was talking about when she pops astral vision. Non-astral vision is smoke what easier to deal with.

    As far as placement for her goes, I think it's a toss up - having her second with the right point character is great for getting meter for her to DHC in, but at the same time, she is one of the best point characters in the game herself. It's pretty much whatever you're more comfortable with.
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  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096 ✭✭✭✭
    Hmm, interesting point. Would Tatsu blow up all low fireballs while ducking under high fireballs or would Akuma get hit? If so, got a new reason to play Akuma again.
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    Hmm, interesting point. Would Tatsu blow up all low fireballs while ducking under high fireballs or would Akuma get hit? If so, got a new reason to play Akuma again.

    Assists alone don't really do a particularly awesome job of dealing with Morri fireballs or astral vision. It's more so a combination of what a point can do with a specific assist.

    Akuma's projectile absorbing hit box on tatsu is only from the middle towards the ground. He can still get bopped in the head IIRC. You could probably put some shit together with another character that is projectile heavy. Melee character + Tatsu won't get you a ton much more than what you already get by running forward and pressing on stuff.
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  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭
    Tatsu won't beat the 45 degree air fireballs. Tatsu assist loses to those and Magnetic Blasts depending on the spacing. Low fireballs are often used by players newer to Morrigan, but she has much more annoying patterns.

    I think Chris G's team is close to optimal, and her most optimized teams are Morrigan/Vergil/Doom, Morrigan/Doom/Strider, Morrigan/Dante/Strider, Magneto/Morrigan/Doom. It depends on the matchup, but I think those are the best Morrigan teams for her support wise, ie Magneto being a battery for her and setting up TACs into Doom, Vergil giving her practical ToDs off any kill. While Jam Session/Vajra/Hidden Missiles are her strongest assists and Doom providing TACs and command grab setups, Dante providing DT DHC off invincible reversal Shadow Servant or command grabs. Strider offers only Vajra, but he comes with the derp that is XF3 anchor but I don't think Morrigan 2nd Vajra 3rd is optimal due to damage issues.

    I think just Morrigan overall as a character is very annoying to deal with, Astral Vision giving her free wins vs anyone not Vergil, her fireball angles hard to interact/deal with, her complete safety, and the fact that it's hard to rush her down when she has shell kick to land with. She's a very strong character and made scarier with Missiles/Vajra.

    As for characters that face off well vs the Morrigan/Doom combination, I like the following assisted(preferably with Vajra or another strong neutral assist):
    Chris, Hawkeye, Dante, Vergil, Dorm 2nd(with momentum)

    Maybe: Deadpool with Vajra(not sure about this), Viper with Vajra, assisted Yolo Captain America might give her problems, Nova?

    On another note, Morrigan/Vajra is a different matchup, and is a much worse matchup for most characters vs Morrigan than Morri/Doom due to the losing of the ability to stall at super jump height vs her. Vajra is really stupid good for her when she activates astral vision. Missiles/Jam Session provide better rushdown, but Vajra makes astral vision broken.
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    Assists alone don't really do a particularly awesome job of dealing with Morri fireballs or astral vision. It's more so a combination of what a point can do with a specific assist.

    Akuma's projectile absorbing hit box on tatsu is only from the middle towards the ground. He can still get bopped in the head IIRC. You could probably put some shit together with another character that is projectile heavy. Melee character + Tatsu won't get you a ton much more than what you already get by running forward and pressing on stuff.

    I meant on point. Just try to get full screen and do L or M tatsu so you aren't taking chip. Maybe with Jam Session to keep Morrigan and Missiles away. Actually you may just be able to normal jump over the low one, and tatsu to destroy the second. Wish I could do the spam to test it.
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    I meant on point. Just try to get full screen and do L or M tatsu so you aren't taking chip. Maybe with Jam Session to keep Morrigan and Missiles away. Actually you may just be able to normal jump over the low one, and tatsu to destroy the second. Wish I could do the spam to test it.

    No I don't think it could work, Morrigan's fireballs have a lot of durability and with 2 or 4 of them on the screen Akuma won't even be able to get into Tatsu's active frames.

    What Im really waiting and hoping to see is Filipino Champ vs. Chris G, These 2 players are without a doubt the best Marvel players we've got right now. I also think Champs Dormammu paired with his Magneto on point can counter chris G's game.
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  • LanzomaLanzoma Pragmatic Fighter Joined: Posts: 58
    I feel my main team (Magneto-disruptor/Task-horizontal/Dante-jam) matches up fairly badly vs her if the Morrigan player knows what they are doing.

    Magneto has no problem fighting her if she uses the grounded patterns of fireballs. H disruptor + assist support covers that well and clears missile calls. But vs normal jump/superjump patterns his options are more limited and in Astral Vision his ability to lame it out is flight dependent so if he gets hit by missiles he'll be forced to fall. Fly xx Blasts stalls for a decent amount and so do superjump Magnetic blasts, but he's limited as his air actions don't keep him fully stationary(except hypergrav). He has problems rushing her down with how good Shell Kick and her Fireball coverage is. He can fight her off with Disruptors if she's predictable, but if you utilize superjump blasts you give her free astral vision activations, and boxdash/normal jump blasts dont have a good angle to zone vs her. I don't feel the Matchup is in Magneto's favor when she's properly assisted, he can definitely fight her but relies on her to make mistakes. 6-4 Morrigan at least.

    You can air H disruptor and it clears both her fireball and hits her if she didn't fly beforehand, or forces her to unfly. By using both Task assist + disruptor, you can close off the whole horizontal (ground + jump height) for Morrigan and prevent Doom from coming out, forcing her to slowly approach you or SJ. If she SJs, you can dash in and attempt a hyper grab in the gaps or cross under + assist protection, or even SJ and Disruptor in return (wouldn't recommend it tho).

    Shockwave is a great super to punish missed inputs / screwups as well, and does considerable damage. Your main concern should be to out-flood the screen before she activates AV, and even if she does, you can lock her down for a bit if the activation was not clean. If you can force Morrigan to approach you, it's a favorable position to be in as Magneto. Plus, you got HAM session.

    Most Mags try to play a rushdown game, but that's what Morrigan wants so she can cross you while calling Doom safely. It might be awkward at first, but try playing a reactive game instead and see where that gets you.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Quantum Theorist. Liquid Dubstep Energy Joined: Posts: 33,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No I don't think it could work, Morrigan's fireballs have a lot of durability and with 2 or 4 of them on the screen Akuma won't even be able to get into Tatsu's active frames.

    What Im really waiting and hoping to see is Filipino Champ vs. Chris G, These 2 players are without a doubt the best Marvel players we've got right now. I also think Champs Dormammu paired with his Magneto on point can counter chris G's game.

    Yeah what makes Morrigan hard to fight is that she doesn't have to commit to much. Chrisis in his latest tier list had Viper, Morrigan and Zero in god tier by themselves because everything they can do can always be cancelled into something else. Meaning there is no waiting for them to fuck up while they are transitioning into their shit. You just have to find some way to beat them to what they're doing or find something that can actually regularly fight back what they're doing.

    Akuma can't really cancel into anything but super during tatsu so he has to do a lot of committing to absorb the projectiles when tatsu isn't exactly safe on block or whiff either.
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    I like thor/strange/doom against morridoom
    9-1 matchup
    All morrigan can do is hope she can overcome thor's ridiculous normals and strange's insane mobility
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    I like thor/strange/doom against morridoom
    9-1 matchup
    All morrigan can do is hope she can overcome thor's ridiculous normals and strange's insane mobility
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    Chris G could play any other team and still win tourneys, MorriDoom just makes him seem unbeatable because people don't know how to deal with it yet.
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    Its part morri/doom since its really good but I feel its mostly chrisG he is very good an don't leave a lot of holes in his gameplay
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    Spencer/Task/Skrull

    It's Chris G.
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  • GomuGomuGomuGomu Strider Sucks Joined: Posts: 8,402 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Chris G could play any other team and still win tourneys, MorriDoom just makes him seem unbeatable because people don't know how to deal with it yet.

    Nope.
    Strider still sucks.
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    You think you can beat him?

    What does that have to do with anything? Yes. What now?

    Aside from Chris G being great at the game, his team is extremely anti-random. He won't win tourneys like he does now with any team because not a lot of teams can shut down random as hard as Morridoom does. In addition to the fact that there's a lot of good players with godlike teams, he'd definitely struggle. Key steps to beating Moridoom (Not Chris G) is to pick better teams and stop being a nut. No one is doing the first so they continue to lose.
    Strider still sucks.
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    Morrigan-Y/Dante-A/Dr. Doom-B

    So in other words, whoever gets to start Morridoom shenanigans first. That said, I believe that while Chris G's team is better for chip, the one I use may be better at plain old keepaway/runaway thanks to Jam Session assist.
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    What does that have to do with anything? Yes. What now?

    Aside from Chris G being great at the game, his team is extremely anti-random. He won't win tourneys like he does now with any team because not a lot of teams can shut down random as hard as Morridoom does. In addition to the fact that there's a lot of good players with godlike teams, he'd definitely struggle. Key steps to beating Moridoom (Not Chris G) is to pick better teams and stop being a nut. No one is doing the first so they continue to lose.
    He used to win with Firebrand/Ryu/Hawkeye, Chris G is Jesus Christ incarnate.
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    Spoiler:
    Strider still sucks.
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    He died on that day for our sins (playing shitty teams).
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    If you pick a shitty team, you play it to the end. Ryu wouldn't rage quit. :coffee:
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  • ShogunFlowShogunFlow Stream Monster Joined: Posts: 776
    I'm a MorriDoom main since Vanilla.

    You all should try Nova Dorm Ammy. I have a feeling that this team would match up very well. Another team to try against MorriDoom is Dante Iron Man Dorm. The best assists against Morrigan are Repulsor Blast and Jam Session.

    BTW, Doom shits on Strider assist. If you see you opponent call Vajra you can sphere flame/photon array on reaction to kill him.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Quantum Theorist. Liquid Dubstep Energy Joined: Posts: 33,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm a MorriDoom main since Vanilla.

    You all should try Nova Dorm Ammy. I have a feeling that this team would match up very well. Another team to try against MorriDoom is Dante Iron Man Dorm. The best assists against Morrigan are Repulsor Blast and Jam Session.

    BTW, Doom shits on Strider assist. If you see you opponent call Vajra you can sphere flame/photon array on reaction to kill him.

    Hidden missiles on point or as an assist is also good for dealing with Vajra. If you're using missiles assist just stay near it as Vajra is falling.

    All of the AA assists with projectile heavy points are strong versus vajra also. You just do the same thing you do if you're fighting missiles assist where you call the AA projectile assist like Jam Sess or Repulsor and stay near the the assist as the missiles fall down. Generally you'll want to call the assist just before the missiles start to fall down.

    Against Vajra people just have to learn to stay on the ground more especially if Morri is not already in astral vision yet. Doesn't really do much block or hit stun on a grounded hit. People are scared of vajra because of the cross up and hard knockdown shenanigans if you're in the air...but the hard knockdown issue isn't as big of a deal if you're on the ground. Even if you are in the air there's a lot of movement techniques with more air movement heavy type characters that can avoid the assist and different characters have air normals and specials that can beat it also.
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  • ironboy89ironboy89 Beep Boop Beep Joined: Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭
    Lol DiosX making ChrisG ragequit is proof that ChrisG wouldn't be as dominate as any other random team. I doubt ChrisG could play Ryu/Clint/Firebrand beat Fchamp.

    However, a good player makes a good team. High level MVC3 is about oppressive teams, no doubt in my mind.
  • AceKillahAceKillah EXS of Greed Joined: Posts: 15,378 ✭✭✭✭
    1.

    Main Teams
    Viper/Vergil/Iron Man

    This team I think goes evenish against Morrigan/Doom Viper + Unibeam controls the entire ground space and well as blowing up Doom missiles fairly easy. But hitting Morrigan is a pain because of her air mobility. Viper can kill Morrigan if she approaches with flowchart shell kick or j.H with focus xx H TK or focus EX Seismo whoever gets the life lead will probably win the MU.

    Dante/Vergil/Iron Man

    I think this team straight up beats Morrigan/Doom probably 6-4, Dante is likely the best character to combat Morrigan/Doom stuff because he has his own projectiles with crazy durabily and hitboxes that blow up missiles if they are homing in on him and he is probably the best at staling out AV with his own DT. He can also AA her derpy approches with st.B and preemptive million carats both of which lead to a dead Morrigan.

    2. Most Dante point teams have a chance. Strider assist is kinda meh against anyone who is smart with Missiles assist but it still is helpful.

    Viper with Jam Session or Vajra.

    Viewtiful Joe with a proper team behind him can also fight Morrigan/Doom his triple jump gives him insane mobility and allows him to call assist from sj height (the Kusoru) as well as him having great durabity projectiile in Voomerang. He can also blow up HM with Six Machine into any good projectile DHC as well as being able to stall out AV by mashing air joe.

    Thor does well. Mighty Strike gives no fucks and Mighty Spark is good at keeping Doom missiles in check, flight and whiffing mighty spark allow him to stall.

    I think Mag/Dorm/Doom (NEEDS TO BE ON PLASMA BEAM) can also compete with it. Magneto has some of the strongest start of the round options along with enough mobility to avoid non-AV Morrigan as well as approach her safely then Shockwave DHC Power Ball gives Dorm all the time he needs to start charging his spells and get his rotation of spells > flame carpet > plasma beam + purification > disrupter + teleport > blockstring into flame carpet if they block the mixup > Dark Hole + Plasma Beam > Power Ball > spells x N

    There are a decent # of characters who can bop Morrigan at the start of the round but if AV gets started they are screwed. Haggar, Chris, Wolverine, Firebrand, Skrull, Nova, Cap, Taskmaster, Wesker and Spencer.

    3. All that being said the team is far from unbeatable it just has the most positive match-ups in the game. Most characters just cant do shit about it and it makes it look more oppresive then it really is. Especially when you have a titan like Chris G playing it and he actually cares about getting better with his characters and keeps up to date with tech and strats.
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  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like MODOK/Dorm/Doom against Morridoom. Dok basically gets free pressure at the start of the round, and if it comes to the zoning game, L blaster cuts through fireballs. If I hit Morrigan with a blaster, I can confirm that into HPB, XF, and kill her, then setup an incoming unblockable setup. If I hit Morrigan and Doom with a blaster, once again, I can confirm that into HPB, XF, and kill Doom and probably Morrigan (I've recently updated my 2 for 1 combo in this situation and haven't tested it out on Morridoom yet). If I hit just Doom, I can do HPB, DHC to Chaotic Flame, XF, and do purification + missiles spam or do Chaotic Flame again. AV activations are also punishable with HPB and Chaotic Flame. If she ever manages to get AV out, Dok can wait it out pretty effectively.

    Dok's M cube anti airs a lot of her approach options, and can be confirmed easily into a full combo. L bombs, barriers, and TK cubes are also very effective against her approach.

    Ditto.
  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭
    I forgot to mention the worst part about the Magneto/Morrigan matchup. Tridash jL/jH do not work vs a crouching Morrigan, so good luck opening her dumb hitbox up if you manage to get there.
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 7,921 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I play shuma
    vs morridoom
    there's not much more to add. . .
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  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    I play shuma
    vs morridoom
    there's not much more to add. . .
    doesnt mystic ray beat missiles?
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    don't get me started
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  • Mo0NsMo0Ns Just like Cap but better. Joined: Posts: 440
    doesnt mystic ray beat missiles?
    no :(

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  • CT83CT83 SRK Fan Joined: Posts: 108
    I'd say it's both the team as well as Chris G. The team is excellent in theory (and the theory has been proven many, many, many times), but is also hard to pilot to near perfection is a tournament setting. Which is what Chris G does, which is why he is rich and hardly ever loses.

    The reason why there are hardly any Morridooms? Most players (I'd imagine) and stream monsters hate that style of play and put rushdown on a pedestal. Plus, it's hard to pilot. JRosa knows what's up, and I hope he improves more with them.

    It's his main team and it hardly ever fails him. Remember, the characters are his tools and he uses them so well. If the characters did not have the tools, Chris G wouldn't be so successful with them. See the video of him against DiosX, you won't see Chris G use his old team outside of a sandbagging/pot split.

    People want AV nerfed as well as hidden missiles. We have been theory fighting his team for ages, and yet no one can stop him. His tech has been out for ages, yet no one can stop him. The excuse: players are not stepping up (which is an insult to the players themselves). Could it be the team? To even have a chance against it you will need very specific characters/tools. Sure, you can beat any Morrigan/Dr. Doom team who is not Chris G's and think that the team is beatable, but the truth is Chris G is the best user of that team.

    All these theory teams that supposedly defeat Morrigan/Dr. Doom are nice, but in order to validate it you will need to find a really good Morrigan/Dr. Doom. WTB excellent Morrigan/Dr. Doom test subject.

    Most people have apparently given up on finding a counter to Morrigan/Dr. Doom and instead hope that Capcom will nerf them to the ground. Which is unfair, because there are hardly any Morrigan/Dr. Doom players. People are so quick to ask for a Morrigan nerf without actually having played as Morrigan. I sincerely hope Capcom does not listen.
  • simon_simon_ Joined: Posts: 288
    I say its mostly Chris G.

    some people act like the other pro players have too much pride and dont play morridoom because its so cheap. I dont believe that shit, I'm sure 90% of them have tried it out in training sessions and failed. (not to say it isnt cheap, but it isnt easy either)
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