2013 UMVC3 SRK Tier/Theory Discussion. 7/10 First Page Tumblr: Power of snapback, Future power teams

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  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭

    Oh Reid played on Bum's Stream? I have to catch that, watching good Joe's is very fun.

    Viewtiful Joe's underrated but he's nowhere near as good as Morrigan though, she's safer, has better normals and better zoning angles overall. And Astral Vision is more oppressive than anything V.Joe has especially when people don't know how to get out of Charged Voomerang loops. He's kind of wacky, and very fun to play with but extremely frustrating to play against. 

    Overall I think V.Joe fits in with the large set of mid/high tier characters that are very underexplored and mostly underrated by everyone beside those character's mains. He's high tier and a top 15 point in my book.

  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    Oh yeah Im not saying hes as good as morrigan noway. I just think he has potential to be another morrigan style character, with projectile flood that makes a lot of characters obsolete. He may well be a top 15 point character I agree. I think his shocking pink bombs have alot of potential for neutral game and tech roll setups.
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  • serpentaurusserpentaurus just watching Joined: Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    why do people keep saying that joe is underrated? everybody know he is very good
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  • Bryanv2Bryanv2 BryanJ Joined: Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    So yea Zero is the most braindead BS character in the game I'd rather have Vergil x1.1 and he almost makes hidden missiles look fair. / Salt :D

    That is all I have to add to the tier list for now. Vjoe is pretty awesome. Wouldn't personally put him top tier but he's incredibly viable with certain setups.
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  • Smoothjazz101Smoothjazz101 Joined: Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭✭
    why do people keep saying that joe is underrated? everybody know he is very good
    He's not used by anybody notable beyond Kusoru, Royal Flush or Dieminion.
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  • Mr.Dr.Mr.Dr. Marvel= greatest iteration of the worst game ever. Joined: Posts: 234
    why do people keep saying that joe is underrated? everybody know he is very good
    If "everybody" knew Joe was good, then there wouldn't be any "people" who say he is underrated. 
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    why do people keep saying that joe is underrated? everybody know he is very good
    He's not used by anybody notable beyond Kusoru, Royal Flush or Dieminion.
    And?  I think that people watching those players could agree on two things.  
    1) Their teams aren't exactly what you'd call optimal.
    2) Even with sub-optimal teams Viewtiful Joe looks pretty solid and incredibly irritating.
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    People offline mostly base their views on concrete results rather than theory. Like it or not.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Quantum Theorist. Liquid Dubstep Energy Joined: Posts: 33,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    serpentaurus said:<br />
    why do people keep saying that joe is underrated? everybody know he is very good<br />
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    He's not used by anybody notable beyond Kusoru, Royal Flush or Dieminion.


    Reid and How To Read are the only two other V.Joe players I've seen on a stream. There's one other V.Joe player I know of that's alright in VA. Other than that he falls into to syndrome of pretty good character that provides no support and subpar XF durp.

    Which forces him to be a character specialist character unlike Strange who while wonky on point...can always support and make every other character in the game better. Characters like V.Joe, Thor and X23 are tough to get anyone to pick because their support is in the pits minus maybe some cute CC shit. Meaning once you throw them on your team they have to be your main character and have to be built around.
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  • serpentaurusserpentaurus just watching Joined: Posts: 3,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Characters like V.Joe, Thor and X23 are tough to get anyone to pick because their support is in the pits minus maybe some cute CC shit.  
    Thor has beam and TACs, X-23 and Joe have nothing. reason why people dont pick those characters is because apparently they are the "bad" version of another character (magneto, zero, wolverine)

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  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    People offline mostly base their views on concrete results rather than theory. Like it or not.
    They have no issue saying Zero is the best even when the results they love say otherwise.
  • VASagaVASaga Not Yet Strange! Let Them Wait Joined: Posts: 974 ✭✭✭
    The Duke wrote: »
    Smoothjazz101 said:<br />
    People offline mostly base their views on concrete results rather than theory. Like it or not.<br />
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    They have no issue saying Zero is the best even when the results they love say otherwise.

    Dont you mean Dr Strange? :kappa:
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    No I think he meant mystic ray

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    nope, he meant C.Viper.
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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭✭
    serpentaurus said:<br />
    why do people keep saying that joe is underrated? everybody know he is very good<br />
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    He's not used by anybody notable beyond Kusoru, Royal Flush or Dieminion.


    Reid and How To Read are the only two other V.Joe players I've seen on a stream. There's one other V.Joe player I know of that's alright in VA. Other than that he falls into to syndrome of pretty good character that provides no support and subpar XF durp.

    Which forces him to be a character specialist character unlike Strange who while wonky on point...can always support and make every other character in the game better. Characters like V.Joe, Thor and X23 are tough to get anyone to pick because their support is in the pits minus maybe some cute CC shit. Meaning once you throw them on your team they have to be your main character and have to be built around.

    Yeah and why would you build around him? He's like a slightly better Arthur. If you're going to put work into someone they should at least be good. It's rather pointless being a character specialist/loyalist.

  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Quantum Theorist. Liquid Dubstep Energy Joined: Posts: 33,349 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    serpentaurus said:<br />
    why do people keep saying that joe is underrated? everybody know he is very good<br />
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    He's not used by anybody notable beyond Kusoru, Royal Flush or Dieminion.


    Reid and How To Read are the only two other V.Joe players I've seen on a stream. There's one other V.Joe player I know of that's alright in VA. Other than that he falls into to syndrome of pretty good character that provides no support and subpar XF durp.

    Which forces him to be a character specialist character unlike Strange who while wonky on point...can always support and make every other character in the game better. Characters like V.Joe, Thor and X23 are tough to get anyone to pick because their support is in the pits minus maybe some cute CC shit. Meaning once you throw them on your team they have to be your main character and have to be built around.

    Yeah and why would you build around him? He's like a slightly better Arthur. If you're going to put work into someone they should at least be good. It's rather pointless being a character specialist/loyalist.



    He beats or gives considerable trouble to the majority of characters that are good.    He's really good at not getting clean hit in this game and that holds the most weight as far as point character team construction.  If you don't think the character is good after he won a major and got top 8 at another recent one...then I can't really help you.  He's basically the closest you can get to Guile in this game which is basically moving back and forward in a zone while a projectile covers that zone.




     Arthur has nowhere near the mobility to be anywhere near as good as V.Joe. V.Joe makes better teams on point than Arthur does in any spot really by a considerable margin IMO.
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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭✭
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    Reid and How To Read are the only two other V.Joe players I've seen on a stream. There's one other V.Joe player I know of that's alright in VA. Other than that he falls into to syndrome of pretty good character that provides no support and subpar XF durp.<br />

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    Which forces him to be a character specialist character unlike Strange who while wonky on point...can always support and make every other character in the game better. Characters like V.Joe, Thor and X23 are tough to get anyone to pick because their support is in the pits minus maybe some cute CC shit. Meaning once you throw them on your team they have to be your main character and have to be built around.<br />
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    He beats or gives a lot of trouble to the majority of characters that are good.   Arthur has nowhere near the mobility to be anywhere near as good as V.Joe.

    Yeah like I said a slightly better Arthur. As for his MUs I really couldn't tell you who he beats or why. But I'm not sure why I'd run him over characters like Morrigan Dorm Hawkeye Taskmastet modok or trish and that's just keep away characters. But I digress.
  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭✭
    If you don't think the character is good after he won a major and got top 8 at another recent one...then I can't really help you. He's basically the closest you can get to Guile in this game which is basically moving back and forward in a zone while a projectile covers that zone.


    The new srk blows but yeah Joe has had a couple of blips of success is it enough for me to say he's good? Na his success is prob equivalent to iron fist and I dont think he is good. I love how people talk up a character yet where's the attempt to play him? Also I believe I said it's not worth it to build around joe and as it's been pointed out dieminions joe teak isn't optimal. Also this is Marvel why in the fuck would I want to be like guile?
  • ironboy89ironboy89 Beep Boop Beep Joined: Posts: 4,659 ✭✭✭
    edited February 2013


    Dieminon got top 8 in UTFG, NECXIII with Joe.  Whereas Iron Fist won one major in the beginning, dropped at the face of the planet.  Joe can still break top 8-16 in high placing tournaments.  Joe still does well internationally in Japan, and U.K..  Sadly for Iron Fist, the only dude who can actually play the character on a high level is in Mexico and I don't remember him ranking really high with Fist in Mexico.


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  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 6,936 ✭✭✭✭
    rocket raccoon has 750K health, while joe has 950k health and ironically stronger zoning tools.
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  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    edited February 2013
    How about instead of talking about results lets talk about the character itself? VJoe is great. He has amazing pressure options and has so much stuff to annoy you with it's insane. Put him with assists like Jam Session and Hidden Missiles and you got yourself a character.

    Oh, and just a note. I have played arthur on point with the same assists as good joe teams have and he is only a litte bit like joe. Arthur is solitary and just throwing stuff and has no real answers to rushdown while joe can stay mobile and annoying as hell while zoning you ala magneto.
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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭✭
    How about instead of talking about results lets talk about the character itself? VJoe is great. He has amazing pressure options and has so much stuff to annoy you with it's insane. Put him with assists like Jam Session and Hidden Missiles and you got yourself a character.<br />
    Oh, and just a note. I have played arthur on point with the same assists as good joe teams have and he is only a litte bit like joe. Arthur is solitary and just throwing stuff and has no real answers to rushdown while joe can stay mobile and annoying as hell while zoning you ala magneto.

    And joes answer to rush down is what ? Vdodge to mach speed or uppercut? Also what separates joe with those assist opposed to any other character?
  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    How about instead of talking about results lets talk about the character itself? VJoe is great. He has amazing pressure options and has so much stuff to annoy you with it's insane. Put him with assists like Jam Session and Hidden Missiles and you got yourself a character.<br />
    Oh, and just a note. I have played arthur on point with the same assists as good joe teams have and he is only a litte bit like joe. Arthur is solitary and just throwing stuff and has no real answers to rushdown while joe can stay mobile and annoying as hell while zoning you ala magneto.

    And joes answer to rush down is what ? Vdodge to mach speed or uppercut? Also what separates joe with those assist opposed to any other character?
    His ability to run away. His answer to rushdown is airdashing and his triple jump. He is short, can go all around the damn place and while he is doing it he can keep you in blockstun and put you in a pretty decent mixup. He seperates him from other character from he can call assists from super jump height. The only other character that can do that is Modok but Modok cant get mixups off it.
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  • TenguEggTenguEgg Joined: Posts: 1,145
    Anyone remember that VJoe/Dorm/Doom player that showed up on Big Two awhile ago? That guy was godlike, didn't miss a beat with his zoning or execution, made me feel like VJoe is just another one of those characters that requires an extreme specialist along with an execution god backing him.

    Also hilarious to see what he can do to people that don't know the matchup ( or just don't have an answer for his charged Voomerang zoning in general )

    Not that i'm firing shots, i'm pretty sure i'd get bodied by charged Voomerangs+Assist, but thats also cause I suck at handling other zoners
  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭
    Dude, Reid was just on bums stream the other night tearing it up.

    http://www.twitch.tv/bum1six3/b/367810505

    (24 mins in)
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  • TenguEggTenguEgg Joined: Posts: 1,145
    edited February 2013
    Dude, Reid was just on bums stream the other night tearing it up.

    http://www.twitch.tv/bum1six3/b/367810505

    (24 mins in)
    Hmm for sure, thanks for that link, didn't recognize the name Reid at first but yeah, definitely some godlike VJoe play there.
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  • FluxFlux Fair is overrated Joined: Posts: 966 ✭✭✭✭
    Reid is really good! I was sad that he diddnt get anything going in tournament vs me, zero more or less ate him alive =(
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  • Aoishi2ALAoishi2AL Joined: Posts: 280
    edited February 2013
    anyone here not think that morrigan is the best character in the game? quite honestly i think she ruins the game. astral vision is too safe of a super. in fact i think she or at least av should be banned. theres almost no way around it, it builds meter, regardless of xfc she still covers herself and that new chris g team, morr ammy phnx, has to be the most broken team out there. at least doom with missiles is out there long enough to get blasted to oblivion. morrigan is far above and beyond the best character in the game. i think its safe to say that umvc3 has become counter morrigan and phoenix.

    so my point is who does good against that team in theory? zero, dante, vergil, viper, mags all lose to her. lower tiered characters with instantprojectile supers arguably have better matchups against her, hawkeye and dr strange can threaten her with meter, ammy is decent but has no real answer for fireball spam, ammy can defend but not attack...
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  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    True I mean, PR Balrog didn't just beat the best Morrigan/Doom user....no way.....and anti pheonix is nowhere to be found. Ammys Pheonix Shell is ze broken.
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  • RoboticRobotic Joined: Posts: 2,589 ✭✭✭✭
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    True I mean, PR Balrog didn't just beat the best Morrigan/Doom user....no way.....and anti pheonix is nowhere to be found. Ammys Pheonix Shell is ze broken.
    And Kusoru beat PR Balrog. So if Wolverine > Morrigan and V.Joe>Wolverine, then V.Joe>Morrigan.

    QED.
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    Morrigan/Doom is the best character in the game lol.I think Doctor Strange is the best character to fight it.With one meter you can seven rings or spell of vischant xfc kill her easily.Killing her has to be your priority at first.Nova is decent against her,he can shut down her zoning game and bolts can help him get in,but its still difficult.I think those are the two best characters to deal with it.Mainly though it's about killing her as quickly as possible.Strange/Nova/Hsien-ko is the best team against morri/doom/Vergil.
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    lol hsienko
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    Strange/Nova/Hsien-ko!

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  • Merkyl999xMerkyl999x Crazy X-23 Guy Joined: Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭✭
    Beating Morridoom is either about killing doom or never letting her get started.  AV isn't the problem and if you let her get away and get started, your gameplan changes to not letting her get a meter during the AV to repeat, then you try again to shut her down.  If you're playing the matchup without someone that can either stay in  to stop the activation or fly and avoid most of the nonsense, then you're probably gonna lose.

    I'm just waiting for someone to start with Morridoom + Ammy(meter gain) so that once it starts there's almost no chance of it stopping and after/if you manage to kill morrigan you still have one of the most annoying shells left to deal with.

    Saying 'ban AV' is like saying Zero buster should be banned because you can't really pressure him while his hand is glowing...



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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭✭
    Merkyl999x wrote: »
    Beating Morridoom is either about killing doom or never letting her get started.  AV isn't the problem and if you let her get away and get started, your gameplan changes to not letting her get a meter during the AV to repeat, then you try again to shut her down.  If you're playing the matchup without someone that can either stay in  to stop the activation or fly and avoid most of the nonsense, then you're probably gonna lose.<br />
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    I'm just waiting for someone to start with Morridoom + Ammy(meter gain) so that once it starts there's almost no chance of it stopping and after/if you manage to kill morrigan you still have one of the most annoying shells left to deal with.<br />
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    Saying 'ban AV' is like saying Zero buster should be banned because you can't really pressure him while his hand is glowing...

    I think going after or focusing on doom is the wrong way to go about things. Morrigan is the promblem while doom just allows for more crap/shenanigans. Any hit she lands more than likely will lead to AV.
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    Why would you snap in doom though? You have a 100% chance to kill morrigan unless you fuck it up. If you give up that opportunity to snap in doom, you are risking big time unless you have like superskrull+firebrand because the setup isn't 100%. By killing morrigan, you get a great incoming on vergil, who has some of the weakest incoming options in the game. You might as well just kill morrigan.

    You should snap in doom though if there are missiles about to hit you. 
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  • CasualHeroCasualHero It's only random if it beat you. Joined: Posts: 266

    Merkyl999x wrote: »
    Beating Morridoom is either about killing doom or never letting her get started.  AV isn't the problem and if you let her get away and get started, your gameplan changes to not letting her get a meter during the AV to repeat, then you try again to shut her down.  If you're playing the matchup without someone that can either stay in  to stop the activation or fly and avoid most of the nonsense, then you're probably gonna lose.<br />
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    I'm just waiting for someone to start with Morridoom + Ammy(meter gain) so that once it starts there's almost no chance of it stopping and after/if you manage to kill morrigan you still have one of the most annoying shells left to deal with.<br />
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    Saying 'ban AV' is like saying Zero buster should be banned because you can't really pressure him while his hand is glowing...

    I think going after or focusing on doom is the wrong way to go about things. Morrigan is the promblem while doom just allows for more crap/shenanigans. Any hit she lands more than likely will lead to AV.

    It could work both ways depending on your character. If you're playing someone who has a lot of options for avoiding AV's shenanigans, then any given opportunity to remove Doom should be taken. Also depending on their team set-up, you could end up in a better position with their fucked-up team order
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  • Merkyl999xMerkyl999x Crazy X-23 Guy Joined: Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭✭
    I never said snap doom.  I meant more snipe out his assist calls.  You just kill her when you touch her.

    AV isn't a threat without Missiles though so I can maybe understand an argument to snap doom if you don't have the resources to kill Morrigan.  There's plenty of character that have options for AV by itself but once you add missiles it becomes a real problem for most of the cast.
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  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2013
    Sniping more assist calls is obvious though. That's the standard for practically any assist. You aren't going to be sniping many assist calls when you are in blockstun from both sides of the screen. It's why Chris is more successful at using the assist than anyone else. He is intelligent with his assist calls. While making the opponent scared to call missiles by being ready to punish them is imperative, the key is really is to take what you can get. If that means getting hit by a few missiles to get extra air actions to run out AV, then do it. Missiles don't do a whole lot of damage at all. That also means you have to be willing to pick better characters that have better attack angles. I will never beat a good morridoom consistently because I am too stubborn to not play shuma, and he has no air actions. It's painfully obvious how important character selection is to the matchup. I can tell you that from just the experience of playing shuma then playing someone like magneto or even my shitty dante.
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  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 3,675 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Morri/Doom is good but only seems unbeatable because people still want to play their favorite characters. Now excuse me while I go play MODOK moar....
    Not to mention if you counter pick Chris G with a team that he can't handle he'll probably maul you with another team that counter picks your counter pick unless
    your team is ze broken and ham.
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  • Warring TriadWarring Triad Pensive, Nervous Theorist Joined: Posts: 216

    Why does Viewtiful Joe have 950k health? Seriously, he's hard enough to actually hit, let alone killing him with combos due to his low weight and size.

    Damage Scaling/Hitstun Scaling/Health values in this game are whack and not much thought was put into them.(summarizes the game overall, p.s fuck Vergil).



    In the case of Joe he's hard to hit but he has shit hitboxes and it's hard for him to hit anyone too, then he's super high execution for not terrific damage so it's not like it's easy for him to kill in 1 combo. So him getting 950K is perfectly justifiable. RR should have far more health too for all the effort you need to do things with him. The one who stands out for having more health than necessary is Morrigan, why does she have more health than the other girls?
    Joe damage comes from zoning, man.
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  • Warring TriadWarring Triad Pensive, Nervous Theorist Joined: Posts: 216

    Wrong,

    Joe doesn't have shitty hitboxes. He has 3 pokes in neutral period which are Boxdash Voomerangs(his main poke), jS upclose, and Red Hot Kicks along with assists. Boxdash Voomerangs more than overcompensates for his crappy normals. He and Magneto are the only characters that have a recovery upon landing projectile from a boxdash, and his goes full screen with a better hitbox and better use in zoning.  

    I disagree with him having trouble hitting anyone if you use full screen lockdown assists like Missiles/Drones/Unibeam etc. His mixups upclose are more than enough to compensate for that, the issue is people are running the wrong teams with him where they should be running Point Joe/ with full screen lockdown assist(Missiles/Bolts/Drones) plus upclose assist like(repulsar/tatsu/jam Session). His execution isn't that high, the issue is that his combos are very character weight specific which sucks. As for damage it's decent enough with how much damage he'll get in neutral, and you can always put Doom 2nd.

    I like you, man. Best post I've read all week.
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  • VASagaVASaga Not Yet Strange! Let Them Wait Joined: Posts: 974 ✭✭✭
    Surprised no one mentioned "slow" Being slowed down to a crawl while he chucks voomerangs and assists is highly opressive.
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