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  • Dark SonicDark Sonic Joined: Posts: 1,054
    What changed about Lariat from Vanilla to Ultimate? I know they removed the hard knockdown, but did they change anything else? It was super abused along with Tron assist but now nobody runs it, yet it still seems mostly the same? It's not like you need the knockdown to confirm off of it, you have plenty of time usually.

    IIRC it now has 2 frames of vulnerability before it's invincibility kicks in. You can still kinda mash it, but anything meaty will end up bodying your assist. Zoning teams have also become more popular and obviously lariat isn't gonna help much there.
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  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,211 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    i had a dream a few days ago that i was using viper. the dream quickly turned into a nightmare when i fought against taskmaster with akuma.

    how does viper even approach task/akuma?

    that being said, i tried out task/akuma today. shit is pants on head retarded.

    shield skills, call akuma, stinger/arrows. best part is that you can call akuma anytime during shield skills.

    shield skills, opponent think you can punish, gets hit by akuma. follow up with whatever.
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  • tabtab the impossible dream Joined: Posts: 1,993
    rapid seismos is really good against task.

    really, REALLY good. it kinda destroys his keepaway game entirely, especially combined with strider. you have to go in as him against her, which risks ex seismo and ex tk and whatnot. also ex thunderknuckle makes jump arrows possibly lead to your death if they do guess ex tks.

    it's slightly in her favor but only because she forces him into a certain playstyle. i kinda feel he can still fight her up close but i can't put my finger on why. (better normals/close up poking game?)
  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,913
    Task/Akuma is so good. Lets you go nuts with rushdown with Taskmaster and gives no fucks about any keepaway.

    Task/Jam Session/Tatsu is the most optimized Task point team imo and it's pretty damn fun just my Akuma is ass. If your Task team doesn't let you mash on Shield Skills with Taskmaster you are playing the character wrong.

    I think the question of Vajra for characters that can't confirm off it is an interesting question, it's certainly not optimal, but it's very very good if your character has a strong keepaway game(see JRosa's Morrigan or HowToRead's Joe as Cheech mentioned) it limits your opponents options heavily if you are playing a keepaway character. Hawkeye can confirm off it but I'm more than happy to just utilize it for keepaway. So I think the assist is definitely worth using if your point character has a strong keepaway game. Magneto with Vajra is an interesting conundrum, just with how effective Magneto is with missiles I don't think it'll end up used since he gets no confirms off Vajra and his keepaway/zoning game benefits more from the lockdown missiles gives rather than the hard knockdowns of Vajra.

    I think the 3 characters that get the most out of Vajra are Wesker/Deadpool/Dante, those three are made complete in neutral with that assist and can utilize it for full screen mixups with teleports, zone well with it and rush down well with it while protecting it relatively well, and have the mobility/otgs to get easy confirms off it without meter/xfactor. Viper/Morrigan/Chris/Nova/Nova etc are also godlike with Vajra, but Deadpool/Dante/Wesker get so so much from it and synergize very well. Viper/Vajra, Morrigan/Vajra, Dante/Vajra are some of the scariest things and most potent things in the game, and will all be a staple of end game teams.

    On another note:
    How do you guys feel regarding Skrull/ Viper or Task or Firebrand/ Assist as a possible end game team, or even 3 unblockable characters/ Tenderizer/Assist? I think they can be very potent as you only need one hit with Skrull to DHC into Viper/Task/Firebrand and setup unblockable loops with that character, or simply get any hit with Task/Viper/Firebrand on point to go into unblockable loops. Do you feel it's off any practicality/use?

    Note that I didn't mention Jam Session for unblockables since Jam Session based unblockables are escapable unlike Tenderizer, I just won't expose myself.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 56,797 mod
    i had a dream a few days ago that i was using viper. the dream quickly turned into a nightmare when i fought against taskmaster with akuma.

    how does viper even approach task/akuma?

    that being said, i tried out task/akuma today. shit is pants on head retarded.

    shield skills, call akuma, stinger/arrows. best part is that you can call akuma anytime during shield skills.

    shield skills, opponent think you can punish, gets hit by akuma. follow up with whatever.

    Characters like Captain America, Task and Akuma force you to learn how to utilize focus. Focus is another heavily underutilized tactic because it's the main tool they gave her to beat footsies that she normally has trouble with. Especially characters with high priority non rapid fire normals or moves that generally absorb projectiles.

    The only other character that still has hyper armor IIRC is she hulk and she has to commit to a special move in order to get it.

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  • Dc1Dc1 learning umvc3 Joined: Posts: 111
    What do u guys think about these three morridoom teams

    Vergil/morrigan/doom
    Mag/morrigan/doom
    Ammy/morrigan doom

    Elaborate if u will
  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    Why those characters for the comparison ? As in that team team suck so its is only compare to another team with bad character? I think thor and strang are too slow, doom's good suppot but only ok character . Please elaborate
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  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    thor is good with bolts ? are there videos? ... lol I get it its a troll team but there must be videos showing how good it is
    Its just that thor gets free command grabs between blocked bolts and he can tod thanks to dhcing to strange for fof loops.
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  • DiscarnateDiscarnate Keep Calm and Don't Allow Them To Play Joined: Posts: 157
    SRK UMvC3 Tier Thread: Please Lurk Before Posting
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  • charlie88charlie88 Ya'll niggas gay. The Keving Gates kinda gay. Joined: Posts: 4,968
    WTH does IIRC MEAN?
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  • DiscarnateDiscarnate Keep Calm and Don't Allow Them To Play Joined: Posts: 157
    WTH does IIRC MEAN?

    If I Remember Correctly
    I'm just Fraudlike
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  • GomuGomuGomuGomu Strider Sucks Joined: Posts: 9,572

    Characters with strong assists that you need are in bold.

    Put Iron Fist in high tier please, thanks.
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  • The Co-JonesThe Co-Jones Yo, what dafuq are ya doin bruh? Joined: Posts: 4,128
    WTH does IIRC MEAN?

    If I Recall Correctly
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  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,913
    What do u guys think about these three morridoom teams

    Vergil/morrigan/doom
    Mag/morrigan/doom
    Ammy/morrigan doom

    Elaborate if u will

    Vergil/Morrigan/Doom or Morrigan/Vergil/Doom are both excellent teams. Vergil helps out alot with Morrigan's damage issues if she's on point by going into sword loop DHCs without relying on TACs for kills, allows her to combo into Soul Drains plus gives her serious confirms off throws/command grabs. Rapid Slash isn't half bad for Morrigan since she can protect it and it pushes back full screen. The Vergil/Doom duo is actually fairly good too once you abuse the Round Trip glitch and has serious lockdown/mixups. Vergil can't really protect Dark Harmonizer with projectiles and he likes assists for lockdown, but he benefits alot from the bar it build to go into Sword Loops/DT. Overall it's the strongest team Chris G came up with yet and is very strong.

    Morrigan/Doom/Ammy. Nothing much to say here, Doom/Ammy is a very well studied and explored support shell. Doom provides great TACs for Morrigan's damage, hidden missiles is great for her neutral, and Cold Star is really good for Morrigan's mixups which are really really good. Plus you don't have to rely on Doom anchor and get to play Doom/Ammy with THCs which is a solid shell.

    Magneto/Morrigan/Doom. Arguably the strongest Magneto team in the game and is one of the stronger teams in the game overall. Magneto is a very solid point character that can be played well with only Missiles/Plasma beam, he can call Dark Harmonizer fairly safely with Magnetic Blasts and flight and play a very strong game with missiles alone. The best part about Magneto is unlike the other top tiers(other than Zero) he is not meter dependent or optimized with Meter, you can simply play him as a battery with abusing Dark Harmonizer and Doom TACs + TAC resets(by calling Dark Harmonizer at the end of combos) to build meter for Morrigan. Once you build enough bar or get kills you can Shockwave xx Astral Vision or raw tag her in and mess around with Astral Vision.

    All teams are very strong and all are end game viable imo. Switching points between Morrigan/Magneto or Vergil/Morrigan will cover the majority of matchups in the game too.
  • guiarroyosguiarroyos What kind of sorcery is this? Joined: Posts: 123
    The point/support/(point+support) tier lists are the first ones I totally agree with. I never saw anyone playing Ghost Rider in any position but point, though. Can he work on support? :P
    slightly better? Thor/bolts+strange DHCs would **** on those three characters played in that order, Viper/Zero/Vergil would be sooo much better. I dont like Strange/Doom though, mazio must disagree but i dont like it

    Man, Strange/Doom is awesome. Hidden missiles helps Strange a lot, as it can crossup with teleport, extend combos (Faltine loops included), save your ass from being killed and Strange has tools to make Doom safe when called. Plus you got safe ways to get Doom in the fight when needed. Also bolts assist allows Doom to control ground really well. Need to say that anchor Doom is pretty ass, though.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 56,797 mod
    Yeah, I do still remember you noted about that before. It seemed that you still trusted that it was Shin-Akuma who killed all the people in the cities. yet Gwawainn believed that it was Evil Ryu (SnH Ryu) who did all the massacre. Who has the right answer? Please see the next chapter!! (I am sure, the invader will be revealed in the next chapter!!)

    For the readers who do not know the chinese characters. Chapter 21 noted a chinese character, that is "Destroy"

    Here's an attachment, to show what this character looks like.

    More like ask Chrisis. Plus everyone will just label him with the "Iron" effect.

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  • GREEKGREEK Ryu's been smoking that shit Joined: Posts: 563
    I highly doubt morrigan is a top 2 charcter outside of morri/doom

    champ, chris G and others at champs house said that morrigan isn't nearly as overwhelming as morri/doom.
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  • ThatJollyOlBastidThatJollyOlBastid soon Joined: Posts: 19,826
    For people with mvc2 knowoff, why did Spiral/Blackheart fall off?
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  • serpentaurusserpentaurus just watching Joined: Posts: 4,525
    He seem pretty slow from watching abgen videos, do u have any video of good thor play I can watch?

    lolabegen thor...
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  • serpentaurusserpentaurus just watching Joined: Posts: 4,525
    Man, Strange/Doom is awesome. Hidden missiles helps Strange a lot, as it can crossup with teleport, extend combos (Faltine loops included), save your ass from being killed and Strange has tools to make Doom safe when called. Plus you got safe ways to get Doom in the fight when needed. Also bolts assist allows Doom to control ground really well. Need to say that anchor Doom is pretty ass, though.

    yeah its good in the neutral, but it wont save Strange from getting mauled like coldstar/vale of mist/Okami shuffle THC/jam session/lariat
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  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    I highly doubt morrigan is a top 2 charcter outside of morri/doom

    champ, chris G and others at champs house said that morrigan isn't nearly as overwhelming as morri/doom.
    so what?
    Where are you going with this? Viper is bad without neutral assists. Strider was bad in marvel 2 without specific assists. What is your point exactly? For the record, morrigan has to be one of the most self-sufficient characters in this game because she has so much mobility, and she can convert from practically anywhere, and she can protect her approach similar to magneto.
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  • sjohnst2sjohnst2 Joined: Posts: 1,496
    For people with mvc2 knowoff, why did Spiral/Blackheart fall off?
    Spiral's keepaway went from perfect lockdown to guess right and get in due to the guard cancel tech. You pushblock to end your blockstun at a time earlier than Spiral wanted, turning perfect lockdown into guesses. It was still hard to fight but as characters like Sentinel and mags and storm developed the risk/reward was put in their favor.
    Blackheart is a similar story. The glitches discovered favored rushdown and didn't improve his keepaway. Also Cable
  • CasualHeroCasualHero It's only random if it beat you. Joined: Posts: 266
    I highly doubt morrigan is a top 2 charcter outside of morri/doom

    champ, chris G and others at champs house said that morrigan isn't nearly as overwhelming as morri/doom.

    and strider without doom in MvC2 was heresy. Heck, even without Doom she's a great character with some of the best tools in the game.
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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Strider was bad in Marvel 2 even with good assists for the record. Clockwork was by a country mile the best strider player and still was not at the top due to team limitations.
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  • phantasyphantasy Smash Journeyman Joined: Posts: 8,558
    marvel 2 probably the least balanced game
    [yet jwong could beat 99% of other players with almost any character, he was ridiculous]
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  • HyperShieldSlashHyperShieldSlash No Items, Little Mac Only, Final Destination Joined: Posts: 1,141
    marvel 2 probably the least balanced game
    [yet jwong could beat 99% of other players with almost any character, he was ridiculous]
    But Jwong is ass... He'll never be recognized as a marvel player, he only plays Smash anyway. But anyway, noone seems to be discussing Vergil/Disruptah/Hiding Missiles, so I'll start. The team is super fraud-friendly, and is derpy as hell. Any further discussion?
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    ur dumb jwong is the best
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  • HyperShieldSlashHyperShieldSlash No Items, Little Mac Only, Final Destination Joined: Posts: 1,141
    Sir or madam, please stop your incessant trolling, unless you are going to discuss tiers/theory
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  • phantasyphantasy Smash Journeyman Joined: Posts: 8,558
    vergil mag doom is cool
    u get ez mag tac infinites for 5-6 activations of swords, vergil TODs like :

    mag vergil doom order allows u to play some different matchups and gives magneto some TODs with swords
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  • piskooooopiskooooo anime swag Joined: Posts: 4,386
    What do Doom and Mags get out of Rapid Slash though?
  • HyperShieldSlashHyperShieldSlash No Items, Little Mac Only, Final Destination Joined: Posts: 1,141
    Mags gets an easy untechable throw setup, same for Dooooooooooooooooooom, and they both get stylish combos from it. I think Vergil is best on point for this team, as he is ass against incoming mixups, but he can body poorly timed incoming mixups with maximum vergil.
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  • prolifik88prolifik88 Member Joined: Posts: 123
    Rapid Slash is not that bad of an assist as people think. I think it is pretty good in my opinion. Good enough to justify playing him on 2nd/3rd position at least.

    Rapid Slash can used as a GTFO assist that pushes the person full screen. It can be used as a lock down assist in the corner. It really good for incoming mixes up. It comes out fast and can beat the start up of a lot of assist which can lead to happy birthdays. It does a soft knockdown making it easy to confirm off of and great for combo extensions.

    The biggest plus however is that it comes with the character named Vergil.
  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    Rapid Slash is not that bad of an assist as people think. I think it is pretty good in my opinion. Good enough to justify playing him on 2nd/3rd position at least.

    Rapid Slash can used as a GTFO assist that pushes the person full screen. It can be used as a lock down assist in the corner. It really good for incoming mixes up. It comes out fast and can beat the start up of a lot of assist which can lead to happy birthdays. It does a soft knockdown making it easy to confirm off of and great for combo extensions.

    The biggest plus however is that it comes with the character named Vergil.
    And it takes people to the other side of the screen. It's great for PW.
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  • sjohnst2sjohnst2 Joined: Posts: 1,496
    What do Doom and Mags get out of Rapid Slash though?
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    Free haircuts.

    Does Doom even have hair :confused:
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    Man that nigga needs to put the mask back on. He looks a lot less cool without it.
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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Eagle will return Joined: Posts: 7,926
    Can "you must be new here" be our new memetic phrase? We need to use that more often.
  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    Can "you must be new here" be our new memetic phrase? We need to use that more often.
    Seconded.
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  • serpentaurusserpentaurus just watching Joined: Posts: 4,525
    Can "you must be new here" be our new memetic phrase? We need to use that more often.

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