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  • DiscarnateDiscarnate Keep Calm and Don't Allow Them To Play Joined: Posts: 157
    Guys the hidden Point Doom tech is the same place as the hidden Strange Thor top 2 tech.
    I'm just Fraudlike
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  • ThatJollyOlBastidThatJollyOlBastid soon Joined: Posts: 19,826
    my doom has the best mixups and my dante's mixup is qcb H xx devil trigger
    He doesn't even have a QCB H move.

    You are some hardcore wizard.
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  • ShieldSkillsShieldSkills Joined: Posts: 1,643
    Doom got better movement than teleport characters now?
    Akuma/Arthur/Hawkeye.
  • DiscarnateDiscarnate Keep Calm and Don't Allow Them To Play Joined: Posts: 157
    He doesn't even have a QCB H move.

    You are some hardcore wizard.

    Jet Stream is qcb H iirc
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  • phantasyphantasy Smash Journeyman Joined: Posts: 8,557
    dante has a qcb H move

    doom has better movement than dr strange [a teleport character], better air mobility than jill [also a teleport character], pls stop generalizing

    generalizing goes nowhere in "theory" only "how to play the game well"
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  • ThatJollyOlBastidThatJollyOlBastid soon Joined: Posts: 19,826
    Jet Stream is qcb H iirc
    Wait.....wait...you're telling me it's not HCB?

    I've been doing HCB for 2 years? Foolishness
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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Anyone want to bet against Doom winning the major again? Oh wait it's just because the good players are choosing to play doom out of character love and he has never ever killed a character while out on the field!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • phantasyphantasy Smash Journeyman Joined: Posts: 8,557
    wait doom won apex right

    ill bet that he wins SCR too

    radagasts on doom
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  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    Anyone want to bet against Doom winning the major again? Oh wait it's just because the good players are choosing to play doom out of character love and he has never ever killed a character while out on the field!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yes. Doom won the majors... all by his lonesome. Are you Doom? That was a very Doom-like thing to say.
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    Doom lost the last few majors, too btw.
    Wolv/Spencer/Akuma or Wesker/Doom/Spencer
    Spencer/Doom/Ammy or Mag/Doom/Ammy because A-bomb
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  • ThatJollyOlBastidThatJollyOlBastid soon Joined: Posts: 19,826
    But Doom loses to.....
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  • DiscarnateDiscarnate Keep Calm and Don't Allow Them To Play Joined: Posts: 157
    When will people realize just because a character is on the winning team of people who win majors it doesn't make the character better than the rest without question.
    I'm just Fraudlike
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  • guiarroyosguiarroyos What kind of sorcery is this? Joined: Posts: 123
    For me Dante is at least mid tier. He has good assists and brings a awesome THC. I can deal with him pretty well though, specially online (most online Dantes just know teleport + "helm breaker", lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
    He is a worst version of Vergil overall.
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  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    Well, Vergil has a bigger dick.
    Wolv/Spencer/Akuma or Wesker/Doom/Spencer
    Spencer/Doom/Ammy or Mag/Doom/Ammy because A-bomb
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  • ironboy89ironboy89 Beep Boop Beep Joined: Posts: 4,659
    Saying that Doom is winning majors , is like giving credit to Dante on a Zero/Dante team.

    Morridoom is winning majors, not Doom
  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,091
    Doom never has to be on the ground? I guess that's why his air game is so useful against Morrigan, Hawkeye, Magneto, Zero and Dorm.

    Wait...

    So because dooms air game is weak against a handful of characters it's bad? I see what exactly does dante do vs those characters?
  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Damn if only there had been a doom player dominating the west coast without morrigan...
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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,091
    Damn if only there had been a doom player dominating the west coast without morrigan...

    Careful we don't want to bring results into a theory thread.
  • DiscarnateDiscarnate Keep Calm and Don't Allow Them To Play Joined: Posts: 157
    For me Dante is at least mid tier. He has good assists and brings a awesome THC. I can deal with him pretty well though, specially online (most online Dantes just know teleport + "helm breaker", lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
    He is a worst version of Vergil overall.
    For me Dante is at least mid tier. He has good assists and brings a awesome THC. I can deal with him pretty well though, specially online (most online Dantes just know teleport + "helm breaker", lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
    He is a worst version of Vergil overall.
    (most online Dantes just know teleport + "helm breaker", lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
    He is a worst version of Vergil overall
    (most online Dantes just know teleport + "helm breaker", lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
    online

    This can't be used in an argument because the game isnt built around online or played online at the highest level.
    Vergil and Dante are very different characters anyway, and are far from clones or palette swaps.
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  • ShieldSkillsShieldSkills Joined: Posts: 1,643
    So because dooms air game is weak against a handful of characters it's bad? I see what exactly does dante do vs those characters?
    not just a handful of characters, if you notice those are among the ones that you're most likely to see at a tournament. Outside of Hawkeye.
    Akuma/Arthur/Hawkeye.
  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,585
    For me Dante is at least mid tier. He has good assists and brings a awesome THC. I can deal with him pretty well though, specially online (most online Dantes just know teleport + "helm breaker", lag helps you to block if there is an assist crossing up :D)
    He is a worst version of Vergil overall.

    holy shit this post is awful.
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  • CasualHeroCasualHero It's only random if it beat you. Joined: Posts: 266
    Man, theory thread went full retard pretty quick.
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  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    So because dooms air game is weak against a handful of characters it's bad? I see what exactly does dante do vs those characters?

    I was dismissing the false notion that Doom "never has to be on the ground." Also add Strange to that list that forces him out of super jump height - that list wasn't exclusive, merely exemplary. Hell V Joe shuts Doom down.

    But, if I must. Teleport characters can close the gap on Morrigan, Hawkeye, Strange and Dorm to maul them if their main focus is zoning. Teleports timed well can screw up Morrigan's inputs. The mere fact that Dante has a teleport makes all those characters' zoning strategy sub-optimal. Tack on the fact that he has his own projectiles and Devil Trigger and zoning is less of an issue. I'm not going to run down the intricacies of each matchup because as I said that wasn't the intent of my post. But pretending Doom is some untouchable aerial character is laughable as many characters even make Zero cautious about what he does in the air.
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  • triplexraidertriplexraider Fall into darkness! Joined: Posts: 1,057
    In reality, it probably is, and would be more likely to win a major as of now. However, if the player was a true master of Firebrand/Dorm/Dante, you are going to see 300% combos out the ass because he has two assists that set up his unblockables. If we are going by the best possible team at the highest level of play possible, I think Firebrand would be better for that team than Magneto.

    If you had to put Magneto, Dante/Dorm/Magneto would be better.

    Firebrand/Dorm/Dante feels more like a Firebrand-optimized team than Dorm though. Which of Firebrand's assists really help Dorm? Dante/Dorm/Magneto feels more like a optimized Dorm-based team.
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  • SaitsuSaitsu Tranquilo...ASSENAYO! Joined: Posts: 33,908
    Man, theory thread went full retard pretty quick.

    You mean since post 1?
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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,091
    I was dismissing the false notion that Doom "never has to be on the ground." Also add Strange to that list that forces him out of super jump height - that list wasn't exclusive, merely exemplary. Hell V Joe shuts Doom down.

    But, if I must. Teleport characters can close the gap on Morrigan, Hawkeye, Strange and Dorm to maul them if their main focus is zoning. Teleports timed well can screw up Morrigan's inputs. The mere fact that Dante has a teleport makes all those characters' zoning strategy sub-optimal. Tack on the fact that he has his own projectiles and Devil Trigger and zoning is less of an issue. I'm not going to run down the intricacies of each matchup because as I said that wasn't the intent of my post. But pretending Doom is some untouchable aerial character is laughable as many characters even make Zero cautious about what he does in the air.


    That makes more sense. The Dante teleport thing isn't necessarily true. With Dante you just gotta bait him into the teleport and punish. If catches you out there then that's a different story. Also for me knowing where Dante will be every time he teleports makes it easier to punish. I don't have to guess where he will be. That's pretty big difference when compared to other characters who can teleport.
  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,913
    Both characters are top tier support characters and will make up most of the end game teams due to the strength of their support value.

    But if you actually think Dr Doom's point capabilities are anywhere near as good as Dante's you are crazy. The only flaws Dante has is crappy startup on normals and the worst punishment ability in the game.

    Other than that he has it all and is complete as characters get while doing well vs most of the top tiers except Vergil(but who beats Vergil in the first place). Unlike Doom who relies on the opponent actually fucking up their combo or keepaway to actually win. Let's count dropped combos into reversal footdives as why Dr Doom is top 3 after Thor/Strange shall we?
  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    That may be the case. But he at least has that as a lesser option to Devil Trigger whereas Doom just bends over and takes it while praying for a mistake.
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  • ironboy89ironboy89 Beep Boop Beep Joined: Posts: 4,659
    Careful we don't want to bring results into a theory thread.
    I just love to here how Doom is apparently deserves all credit for winning over Magneto, and Vergil


    If Doom is apparently top 3 before Morrigan by results, there is something wrong with you.
  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,913
    That makes more sense. The Dante teleport thing isn't necessarily true. With Dante you just gotta bait him into the teleport and punish. If catches you out there then that's a different story. Also for me knowing where Dante will be every time he teleports makes it easier to punish. I don't have to guess where he will be. That's pretty big difference when compared to other characters who can teleport.

    lol

    People still believe Dante's teleport is punishable. It is not. You are throwing him out of the startup of jH/jS. His teleport is not humanly punishable nor punishable by AI. Please test this stuff before spreading this around. And with the assists he should be using (Disruptor/Vajra), you have to hold extremely thoughtful 100% safe full screen 50/50s.
  • KefKef Joined: Posts: 3,170
    Man, some of you guys really have to explain better how you are talking about Doom.

    Of course every top player is using Doom, he's the best support character. If you think PR Rog picked up Doom because he is an amazing point character, than you are lying to yourself. This character is giving Wolverine one of his best assists (Plasma Beam), a safe DHC, and the ability of killing the entire cast out of a 33% guess. Nah but Doom with Rapid Slash so top tier man.

    FChamp = Assist + Meter
    Infrit = Assist
    Shady/CJ/Rog = Assist + TAC
    Chris G = Assist
    Dios X = ... Point with Drones backing him up. Does he even play that anymore?

    Doom is a great character only because of the way the game is. A matchup is a matchup but he can end very quickly seeing how he has great conversions from anywhere and his damage is fantastic. One hit ends a bad matchup. Keeping into account this, this is still not the way to judge characters in a list because then we would be talking about a damage list and Strange would be TRULY Top 2 (well 1).

    Doom has a handful (or more) of bad matchups. Magneto, Zero, Dormammu, Hawkeye, Vergil, etc. Now imagine the same matchups with Dante. Does Dante struggle more than Doom against Magneto? Against Zero? Hawkeye? Vergil? Hell no. He probably goes 5-5 against all of them and might even beat Hawkeye IMO. But why is this? Because that's just the way it is? No, because simply he has better tools, period.

    Dante has better normals, better zoning, and even when talking about point Dante + assist, better mixups. Until you experience something like Stinger + Disruptor/Unibeam which combos on hit and sets up a mixup on block, you truly can't say much. Then there's Vajra, and Stinger+Drones Reverb Shock > Fireworks which again combos on hit and sets up a mixup on block. Than you can add Weasel Shot and now you can't compare.

    In summary, Dante > Doom free, if you are not counting team support. Just pure point character tools.
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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Except that landing j.m, footdive, and throws does happen all the fucking time, dropped combos are a reality, and doom kills you off all of it. Dante gets beat handily in a quite a few matchups and he doesn't have the random factor to beat his bad matchups like doom does. What are dante's good matchups at the high level? There's a reason it's the forum scrubs backing up Dante as a good character rather than top players.

    That said I think dante is a high tier character free because he is the best assist for Vergil and Zero who are the best point characters in the game.
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  • ThatJollyOlBastidThatJollyOlBastid soon Joined: Posts: 19,826
    Doom and to a lesser extent Strange shine due to some of the terrible design choices in this game
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  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,913
    Doom has one thing over Dante/Strange and most of the cast. He is without the doubt the best punisher of mistakes upclose in the game. If you drop your combo you get footdived into a ToD combo, your blockstring isn't clean enough, you get thrown into a ToD combo, you aren't clean on your keepaway and leave a single gap, you get footdived into a ToD combo, get hit by mashed crL on wakeup which is very good.

    Strange will do more damage off a random hit/midscreen in the corner, but Dr Doom will ToD everyone relevant in the cast(except Task) with basically any hitconfirm or throw solo for any conversion/punish . Something very characters can actually achieve solo.
  • guiarroyosguiarroyos What kind of sorcery is this? Joined: Posts: 123
    This can't be used in an argument because the game isnt built around online or played online at the highest level.
    Vergil and Dante are very different characters anyway, and are far from clones or palette swaps.

    I know that, but where I live no one plays this game and known tournaments are very far away (I live in Brazil - pretty much explained). That's why I said "online". Obviously high level tournament play Dantes don't do that.

    More discussion on Dr. Strange:
    People like to say Strange has bad movement. That is part true. Strange has decent ground movement. For approaching he has 3 teleports. For creating distance he has a very good plink backdash (I'm still trying to do it 100% of the time). The only player I saw using that backdash is Nemo, he does this then setup an EoA. His front plink/wavedash is useless. The bad part is that his air movement is terrible. He only has flight to "run" away, or Grace of Hoggoth/FoF to stay a little more in the air or letting a safe teleport (but you need to be at least not too close to the opponent to do this). All other projectiles leave you vulnerable, teleporting is risky and air SoV if blocked leaves you open. If he had better normals none of this would matter. Strange is still a momentum based character, as once you setup an Eye of Agamotto and some Graces you force your opponent to block the mixups or start to jump like crazy (people already know the devastating mixups Strange can do with graces). Getting this momentum without dying because of the 850k health is the point.
    I also totally agree with DevilJin saying he is a properly balanced character. From playing him you can say that. Disappearing EoA and Daggers M when hit, disappearing Graces after a level 3, max of 3 moves in the air, 1 for EoA and Daggers (and be vulnerable after doing it), long recovery from SoV, bad normals for a fast teleport, crouching against mystic sword l, yeah that's a lot.
    Ok, until now I just threw rocks at him. So why I keep playing him?
    -I love the character
    -Love the teleports
    -Love the combos
    -Love the mixups
    -Love the assists
    -Love SoV
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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,091
    I just love to here how Doom is apparently deserves all credit for winning over Magneto, and Vergil


    If Doom is apparently top 3 before Morrigan by results, there is something wrong with you.

    Doom is top 6 Or 7 and he's a lot better than dante. Theoretically dante could be played on the same teams with the same shells but he's not and if he he wouldn't get the same results as doom.
    lol

    People still believe Dante's teleport is punishable. It is not. You are throwing him out of the startup of jH/jS. His teleport is not humanly punishable nor punishable by AI. Please test this stuff before spreading this around. And with the assists he should be using (Disruptor/Vajra), you have to hold extremely thoughtful 100% safe full screen 50/50s.

    Hmmn i always thought that was a legit punish *shrug* the more you know.
  • piskooooopiskooooo anime swag Joined: Posts: 4,386
    This isn't a 1v1 game, why are you all still comparing 1v1 point character only situationsssssszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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    Doom is the best, I dropped a combo and got footdived. Top 3.
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  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    Whenever I see discussion on Doom I just say that he loses to ARTHUR. If you lose against ARTHUR then you know you suck.
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  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    Dante beats Doom.

    Dante is a better point character.

    Sincerely, "forum scrub"

    Remember, top players once said Wesker was the best character in the game. Top players once said that Zero wasn't that good. Top players once said that Spencer was top 3.
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  • piskooooopiskooooo anime swag Joined: Posts: 4,386
    Remember, top players once said Wesker was the best character in the game. Top players once said that Zero wasn't that good. Top players once said that Spencer was top 3.

    You're comparing the tourney meta to the SRK theory "ideal" meta though. When people at tourneys are playing like retards doing suboptimal combos and unsafe shit Spencer is going to seem like some elder god tier character. Zero players dropping basic shit like midscreen LMHS combos and every single LL doesn't help either. You can theorize the Viper vs Zero matchup all day, but when everyone IRL sucks with those two characters it doesn't really matter. I'm not defending what they said because it's obviously retarded, but that's the reason why you hear stuff like that from Champ/Justin/etc.
  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    You're comparing the tourney meta to the SRK theory "ideal" meta though. When people at tourneys are playing like retards doing suboptimal combos and unsafe shit Spencer is going to seem like some elder god tier character. Zero players dropping basic shit like midscreen LMHS combos and every single LL doesn't help either. You can theorize the Viper vs Zero matchup all day, but when everyone IRL sucks with those two characters it doesn't really matter. I'm not defending what they said because it's obviously retarded, but that's the reason why you hear stuff like that from Champ/Justin/etc.

    You've basically proven my point. I was disregarding the fact that "top player tiering" should be prioritized over "forum scrubs." It tends to be much more sensationalized.
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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Remember me now, Yipes? Joined: Posts: 7,389
    Firebrand/Dorm/Dante feels more like a Firebrand-optimized team than Dorm though. Which of Firebrand's assists really help Dorm? Dante/Dorm/Magneto feels more like a optimized Dorm-based team.
    Dorm is one of those few characters that is better with 3 bars and an assist than one bar and two assists. If point Firebrand is truly optimized, he becomes the perfect point for Dorm because he will either 300% you are build a shit ton of meter while he keeps resetting you. Plus, you shouldn't count on having a good assist from your point, because he will most likely die a painful death.
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    Firebrand doesn't build good meter though.
    But FB/Dorm/Dante is still disgusting.
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  • Sephiroth73003Sephiroth73003 Joined: Posts: 4,278
    Morridoom would be alot easier to disect if more people bloody played it.

    I need to move to one of these areas. Moved 1000 miles away and that's still all I play against. But I've mained a Vergil optimized team since day 1. So I just laugh at them.

    One tech I've been seeing more of lately is Morrigan as second. Morrigan coming in with 3-4 meters is one of the most frustrating things I've ever played against.

    People still haven't woken up to the fact Morrigan is at least top 5? She has potentially 1 bad matchup ... Vergil ... nothing else is even close to a disadvantage matchup. Dorm can potentially be but I'm convinced that matchup comes down to who gets momentum first rather than it truly being a bad matchup as Dorm can get roflstomped if he gets put down on life (she gets first combo) and she starts running the astral vision / missiles train. Modok isn't even a bad matchup at all just a win more type character as if he's up on life she has a hard time if Doom is down.

    Personally she #3 on my list after Zero and Vergil.
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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,091
    Dante beats Doom.

    Dante is a better point character.

    Sincerely, "forum scrub"

    Remember, top players once said Wesker was the best character in the game. Top players once said that Zero wasn't that good. Top players once said that Spencer was top 3.

    Wesker was the best. I think the main promblem with this thread and theory monsters are they don't take into account the current metagame. For whatever reason people are trying to predict what's going to be good ten years from now instead of giving credit to what's good now As for Wesker please point ti another character that took up 7 spots of 8 at a major. But hey results don't matter.......:rolleyes:
  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    Hey guys, gonna introduce this new game. Early on people are going to say X, one of the simplest characters to pick up, is the best character in the game. In light of that, a large majority of the players will start using X just because he's X. Then, X will by some unlikely chance be on a number of top ranking teams in a tournament. Consequently this will be evidence that X is the best player in the game.

    Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, flawed argument is flawed. Again.

    Glad Malcom's influence is still around.
    Wolv/Spencer/Akuma or Wesker/Doom/Spencer
    Spencer/Doom/Ammy or Mag/Doom/Ammy because A-bomb
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  • serpentaurusserpentaurus just watching Joined: Posts: 4,525
    Wesker was the best. I think the main promblem with this thread and theory monsters are they don't take into account the current metagame. For whatever reason people are trying to predict what's going to be good ten years from now instead of giving credit to what's good now As for Wesker please point ti another character that took up 7 spots of 8 at a major. But hey results don't matter.......:rolleyes:

    wesker is very good. the problem with wesker is he has a bad matchup against the 5 characters that are considered top tier now and that everybody pick: magneto, zero, morrigan, vergil, doom
    umvc3: Thor / Dr.Strange / Ammy - Thor / Dorm / Doom - Wesker / Dr.Strange / Vergil - ssf4: Vega
  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,564
    Morrigan confirmed for hands down the best character in the game by results alone.
  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,583
    Damn Striders low damage! He'll never be a good point character because of it, even with all his ridiculous tools to open you up:

    Slow and steady wins the race
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    ^that really doesn't look like it should work LOL
    that's awesome, but the problem what that setup in particular is that you don't have too much neutral assist help for strider due to the assists, but shouldn't that also work with the jam session extension? the jam session one without the ground bounce with the super jump round trip
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