2015 UMVC3 SRK Tier/Theory Discussion. 7/10 First Page Tumblr: Power of snapback, Future power teams

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  • DiscarnateDiscarnate Keep Calm and Don't Allow Them To Play Joined: Posts: 157
    This thread is just a trap so we can follow DevilJin's artsy Tumblr.

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    I'm thinking of picking up Viper/X-23/(Dante or Iron Man or Ammy). Not advocating for X-23 for top tier, but this game is leaning towards BFF Duo + Character that can preform well with the assist part of the duo and X-23 can use Jam/Repulsar/Cold Star. I'm also jumping on the theory viper wagon, she is definitely top 3 potential no question, arguably top 2.



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  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    wesker/projectile assist/vajra is the best wesker team
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  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,601
    If it was up to me the game would just be characters with really strong air movement with a wide array of interesting projectiles + really strong ground based characters like Taskmaster with godlike normals and SJ height conversions that can deal with air dashers. Throw in a few more anti air assists like Lariat. Teleports should be removed. There would also be no TOD's without using excessive resources like 3 bars or XF. TAC's removed and XF toned down in some way.
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  • triplexraidertriplexraider Fall into darkness! Joined: Posts: 1,057
    Firebrand/Dorm/Dante, imo. Dorm gets a lot of synergy with both of them and either FB or Donte can build meter if they need to.

    Wouldn't Magneto/Dorm/Dante be better?
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  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    Best Dorm team is Dorm/Magneto/Wesker
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  • WorstPlayerWorstPlayer Calm Yourself Joined: Posts: 4,787
    Best Wesker team is:

    Vergil/Magneto/Strider
  • CasualHeroCasualHero It's only random if it beat you. Joined: Posts: 266
    Wouldn't Magneto/Dorm/Dante be better?

    If we're talking theory wise, Firebrand/Dorm/Dante can 300% any team from a touch. If that actually happens... who knows. I wouldn't mind seeing Dorm/Vergil/Doom (missiles) for a team. Pretty momentum based but hell to get in against Rapid Slash and Missiles backed by spells, great meter building for Dorm/Vergil DHC ToDs, and a solid backfield with Vergil/Doom if Dorm goes down.
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  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,564
    If it was up to me the game would just be characters with really strong air movement with a wide array of interesting projectiles + really strong ground based characters like Taskmaster with godlike normals and SJ height conversions that can deal with air dashers. Throw in a few more anti air assists like Lariat. Teleports should be removed. There would also be no TOD's without using excessive resources like 3 bars or XF. TAC's removed and XF toned down in some way.
    Eeew sounds like an anime game
  • tabtab the impossible dream Joined: Posts: 1,993
    an anime game would have a universal movement system that is boring with people saying 'but look they're different because this one goes fast and this one doesn't and also there's different arcs!'
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    to be fair, it's pretty hard to know what viper can really do unless you've taken the time to research
    people don't get that viper has pretty much every tool in the game when combining all the little stuff people have found over time
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  • discovigilantediscovigilante I'm associated with this guy! Joined: Posts: 3,037
    Yo that support tier list has no Nemesis or Hulk anywhere.
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  • AceKillahAceKillah behind the scenes Joined: Posts: 15,813
    Told yall Viper sucks. Shit normals, takes effort, not enough derp. Bottom 5 free, do not play.
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  • ThatJollyOlBastidThatJollyOlBastid soon Joined: Posts: 19,826
    Theres no :h: in support
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,279 mod
    to be fair, it's pretty hard to know what viper can really do unless you've taken the time to research
    people don't get that viper has pretty much every tool in the game when combining all the little stuff people have found over time

    Yeah if all of the Vipers combined into a super Viper it would probably be more scary than all of the best of any other character combined. Everyone's in that early SFIV Viper stage still where they're all doing different shit you need at the right time and just need to combine it all.
    Yo that support tier list has no Nemesis or Hulk anywhere.
    Well it's not a huge issues. The graphical tier chart shows that Hulk is around slightly above mid tier in support and Nemesis is farther to the left towards low tier support.
    Told yall Viper sucks. Shit normals, takes effort, not enough derp. Bottom 5 free, do not play.

    I play the 2 worst characters. Even if I were to do more combos with Dr.Strange, it would not be enough. It was over once the Evo Champ gave up Strange.



    Viper and Strange both have no normals and are ass.

    Noel confirmed for inventing hidden missiles assist use in the neutral. Patented the A1/A2 sauce.

    Now that I'm watching the whole video it's almost like these guys want to money match Dr.Strange. The sorcerer taking all dose shots.

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  • ES_CurseES_Curse ALL HAIL THE HOLY PHARAOH Joined: Posts: 8,150
    Wouldn't Magneto/Dorm/Dante be better?
    In reality, it probably is, and would be more likely to win a major as of now. However, if the player was a true master of Firebrand/Dorm/Dante, you are going to see 300% combos out the ass because he has two assists that set up his unblockables. If we are going by the best possible team at the highest level of play possible, I think Firebrand would be better for that team than Magneto.

    If you had to put Magneto, Dante/Dorm/Magneto would be better.
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  • guiarroyosguiarroyos What kind of sorcery is this? Joined: Posts: 123
    My reaction to Zero May Cry:
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    Seriously, I don't know why ZMC players don't place high enough in tournaments. Zero with Jam session gets 20000 mixups in 10 seconds, and you still have anchor Vergil. I was watching SCR, they get total control in one match then get screwed up in the next.
    Also in SCR, poor Strange. Got bopped every time I was hype to see him. What he can do against rushdown? Wait patiently until being able to take breath, super jump and fly away? That doesn't work. c.L? Vergil can stuff you every time you try. Assist + teleport? If you use him at second you need to wait until you're able to call the assist. That means block every single mixup in this planet. SoV + XF? Maybe. If you can react to any move your opponent does this is the best. Or you need to save your point then DHC or raw tag at him for some momentum. I'm hardly trying to say no to Dieminion's opinion but that is pretty much it.
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  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,100
    My blocking has improved a million times over from playing against Zero/Dante.

    In one match I blocked at least 9 back to back crossups... and then got opened up.

    Fuck that duo.
    Wolv/Spencer/Akuma or Wesker/Doom/Spencer
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  • scytheavatarscytheavatar Joined: Posts: 2,447
    My reaction to Zero May Cry:
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    Seriously, I don't know why ZMC players don't place high enough in tournaments. Zero with Jam session gets 20000 mixups in 10 seconds, and you still have anchor Vergil. I was watching SCR, they get total control in one match then get screwed up in the next.

    You answered your own question, the team is strong when Zero lands a hit but if Zero gets hit the entire team can be ripped into shreds easily by a good player. Anchor Vergil can be dealt with easily with a strong incoming mixup, and the team is a bad team for Dante. Richard showed that Zero/Dante/Strider is far superior and actually allows Dante to be useful.
  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,100
    You answered your own question, the team is strong when Zero lands a hit but if Zero gets hit the entire team can be ripped into shreds easily by a good player. Anchor Vergil can be dealt with easily with a strong incoming mixup, and the team is a bad team for Dante. Richard showed that Zero/Dante/Strider is far superior and actually allows Dante to be useful.

    Shh, let them keep playing the inferior team.
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  • guiarroyosguiarroyos What kind of sorcery is this? Joined: Posts: 123
    You answered your own question, the team is strong when Zero lands a hit but if Zero gets hit the entire team can be ripped into shreds easily by a good player. Anchor Vergil can be dealt with easily with a strong incoming mixup, and the team is a bad team for Dante. Richard showed that Zero/Dante/Strider is far superior and actually allows Dante to be useful.
    Yes, but I'm more mad at the Zero/Dante duo itself. I saw Zero/Dante/Strider a lot of times, played by Slayton, and it's pretty cheap too. The hardest thing BTW is getting this magical hit against a GOOD Zero. Good Zeros don't do random shit, they know what they are doing, specially if they have Jam Session to back him up.
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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Except Vergil with Dante assist is infinitely better than Dante with Strider. Oh wait you guys still actually think Dante is strong as anything other than an assist.
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  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,100
    Except Vergil with Dante assist is infinitely better than Dante with Strider. Oh wait you guys still actually think Dante is strong as anything other than an assist.

    If we're playing that game, Vergil will never have Dante as an assist because if he's second he'll always die on incoming and if Dante is second every input but Jam Session will stop working because he's assist tier.
    Wolv/Spencer/Akuma or Wesker/Doom/Spencer
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  • ThatJollyOlBastidThatJollyOlBastid soon Joined: Posts: 19,826
    Dante worst in the game
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  • ironboy89ironboy89 Beep Boop Beep Joined: Posts: 4,664
    Does Ghost Rider have a hurtbox in his chain? Can't see how that could hurt him. Speaking of which, does Phoenix Wright have a hurtbox in his finger?
    Ghost Rider/Turnabout Phoenix Wright both have good normal, it's just they don't have fast space covering normal. Vergil's normals in a nutshell are like speeding up Sentinel's foot normal. The type of normal you can literally mash on wakeup/pressure just because they are so fast cover so much space.

    Andre gets away with wake up buttons so much because Vergil has fast buttons
  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,344
    to be fair, it's pretty hard to know what viper can really do unless you've taken the time to research
    people don't get that viper has pretty much every tool in the game when combining all the little stuff people have found over time

    Viper has every tool in the game now?
  • ironboy89ironboy89 Beep Boop Beep Joined: Posts: 4,664
    All I know is Richard's ZeroDanteStrider is better than your random ZMC team.

    Especially considering that Richard has a good dante unlike 90% of ZMC who make Dante worst than he actually is.
  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,564
    to be fair, it's pretty hard to know what viper can really do unless you've taken the time to research
    people don't get that viper has pretty much every tool in the game when combining all the little stuff people have found over time
    I wonder do people see her losses as a limitation of the character or a failure of the player to use the tools correctly?
  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,100
    Chrisis has reiterated that Viper has every tool in the game since day 1.

    I wonder do people see her losses as a limitation of the character or a failure of the player to use the tools correctly?


    The latter because no one player has yet to combine her strengths and approaches. They all tend to stick to one primary playstyle.
    Wolv/Spencer/Akuma or Wesker/Doom/Spencer
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,279 mod
    My reaction to Zero May Cry:

    Also in SCR, poor Strange. Got bopped every time I was hype to see him. What he can do against rushdown? Wait patiently until being able to take breath, super jump and fly away? That doesn't work. c.L? Vergil can stuff you every time you try. Assist + teleport? If you use him at second you need to wait until you're able to call the assist. That means block every single mixup in this planet. SoV + XF? Maybe. If you can react to any move your opponent does this is the best. Or you need to save your point then DHC or raw tag at him for some momentum. I'm hardly trying to say no to Dieminion's opinion but that is pretty much it.

    There's no guarantee you're going to have anchor Vergil or anchor anyone anymore really. It's just way better to not have an anchor that has zero air movement as your anchor so there's at least a chance to escape basic welcome mix ups.

    The whole point behind Strange is that he's purposely balanced. In this game you don't want to be purposely balanced and that's what they did with Dr.Strange. They were afraid his tools when optimized would make it extremely difficult for a lot of the cast to land a hit on him so they gave him all of these gaps in his special moves and normals. That way if someone like a Wolverine does get in they can stay in and not get "OOOOOOHH NOOO CHIPPED OUT". They wanted to make zoning strong but not too strong so they made sure Dr.Strange just had the potential to do big damage if he hit someone, but enough gaps so that nobody never gets in. He has all of these picky issues like Mystic Sword L not being able to hit really profile crouch normals, slides being able to slide under M sword and H sword not even going full screen. Basically until you get graces out the only cheap move he has is agomotto and that's only really designed to stop rushdown (ala hidden missiles) or create rushdown. It doesn't help you beat projectile wars that much.

    Which means you're forced to work for the character to keep people from getting in. He's really not that good of a character mainly because he's only good situationally. Which means you need like an agomotto out, graces and some daggers + assist before he's like nearly as good as a traditional top tier is just by being on the screen. It's basically like what would happen if Morrigan was lower tier on point unless she was in AV which would then make her a lot more balanced vs. the other cast instead of being really good without AV and then destructive with it.

    It's also not good to be a character that can't cross people up in the corner in a game where characters like Hawkeye can jump back and outzone you all day if they find a corner.

    That's why people are just playing him as anchor because that way he just turns your team into a 10 moar years/MVC2 style team where a really good assist is backing up 2 people. The second person gets stronger supers to beat lame out if they land safely also.







    I'd still like to mess with him in the second spot and see what he can do with an assist though. His super options are also really good for a point character like Viper who doesn't really need to DHC and can just DHC into 7 rings in order to beat Doom/Ammy THC's and such. Lack of incoming options other than mash super, flight or teleport is gonna make that tough obviously.

    If we're playing that game, Vergil will never have Dante as an assist because if he's second he'll always die on incoming and if Dante is second every input but Jam Session will stop working because he's assist tier.


    Somebodies gotta be the anchor on any team you put together. People are always trying to make a cause for a character to not be the dumpy durp/assist chracter...but someone's gotta be there. Someone's gotta be your down in the dumps character.

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  • maziodynemaziodyne Demi-Fiend Joined: Posts: 7,748
    Zero/Dante was endgame ever since Vanilla anyway, and it's now only slightly less stupid thanks to Dante being nerfed... but still incredibly stupid.
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,279 mod
    Zero/Dante was endgame ever since Vanilla anyway, and it's now only slightly less stupid thanks to Dante being nerfed... but still incredibly stupid.

    Which is funny because Dante only really got nerfed enough to where you have to actually think when you're using him now. Big issue there.

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  • maziodynemaziodyne Demi-Fiend Joined: Posts: 7,748
    Which is funny because Dante only really got nerfed enough to where you have to actually think when you're using him now. Big issue there.

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  • SteelgutteySteelguttey MoThErFuCkEr Joined: Posts: 729
    DevilJin you play Viper AND Dante?
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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Which is funny because Dante only really got nerfed enough to where you have to actually think when you're using him now. Big issue there.

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  • tabtab the impossible dream Joined: Posts: 1,993
    the true issue is that he doesnt have shield charge and baby combos so i can't play him and use the best taskmaster team
  • AceKillahAceKillah behind the scenes Joined: Posts: 15,813
    Dante's still better than Doom.
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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Dante's still better than Doom.

    Not even close.
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  • AceKillahAceKillah behind the scenes Joined: Posts: 15,813
    Oh right my bad, I forgot Doom was top 3.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,279 mod
    Not even close.

    What is Doom actually better than Dante at that relates to getting shot to shit with projectiles? Because unless you can get past that without a THC you're already worse than Dante.

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  • rylander2rylander2 Joined: Posts: 91
    Dante lost a ton of invincibility on hammer, half of his meter gain and damage per combo, the best anti air in the game by a landslide (5A), vanilla acid rain loops, and lots of range on his normals. He was also one of the best and most convenient DHC glitch recipients. He could even do the glitch, but he didn't need to because that would mean he lost meter he could have gained from killing you solo. He was also arguably the best in the game at using both invincible assists and now those no longer exist. In return, air play was slightly buffed, and he gained Vajra assist which is way worse than either invincible assist. How is this a slightly nerfed character?
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