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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,091
    Hey guys, gonna introduce this new game. Early on people are going to say X, one of the simplest characters to pick up, is the best character in the game. In light of that, a large majority of the players will start using X just because he's X. Then, X will by some unlikely chance be on a number of top ranking teams in a tournament. Consequently this will be evidence that X is the best player in the game.

    Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, flawed argument is flawed. Again.

    Glad Malcom's influence is still around.

    I'd rather use that to determine a characters worth than talk up characters who aren't placing. Also just because a character is simple doesn't mean the character is bad. Also just because a character is difficult doesn't mean that character is good.
  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    None of that was EVER inferred.

    However, as Duke just put it, Morrigan is the indisputable best character in the game according to you result-only people.

    And who was one of the only characters to beat her at the height of her dominance?

    Give you a hint. He doesn't like shirts and he doesn't have a mustache and he swings a sword.
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  • leafcolonelleafcolonel Apprentice of Magnetism Joined: Posts: 1,913
    Damn Striders low damage! He'll never be a good point character because of it, even with all his ridiculous tools to open you up:

    ....



    Nov 14, 2011. Posted by a regular in this forum.:coffee:
  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,583
    I know people have known ways to circumvent his damage problems for a while now. Just thought it would be a good reminder that Strider has the potential to be busted on point.
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  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    dante and doom are both good but i'll give the slight edge to doom overall.

    lets keep it real, everyone gets hit by footdive despite him having more bad matchups than dante. dante has similar BS with his helm breaker but its slower and doesnt always lead to kills.

    missiles is a more oppressive assist. jam session is just damn good, you can even say "fair" (EDIT: fuck zero/jam session).

    what gives doom the advantage is the stupid tac mechanic. 3+ meter builing tacs and infinites makes characters like phoenix usable again.
    Damn Striders low damage! He'll never be a good point character because of it, even with all his ridiculous tools to open you up:


    except vergil is the one doing all the work/damage. i dont think tag combos work anywhere or against everyone.
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    It only took a year and 2 months for someone to start using Ve's tech.

    Impressive.
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  • HyperShieldSlashHyperShieldSlash No Items, Little Mac Only, Final Destination Joined: Posts: 1,141
    Why do people not steal Chou's point Vajra team?
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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes You dun fked it up Capcom. Again. Joined: Posts: 7,091
    None of that was EVER inferred.

    However, as Duke just put it, Morrigan is the indisputable best character in the game according to you result-only people.

    And who was one of the only characters to beat her at the height of her dominance?

    Give you a hint. He doesn't like shirts and he doesn't have a mustache and he swings a sword.
    I got it down to 3 choices:
    • Dante
    • Zero
    • Deadpool
    Is it ... Deadpool?
  • piskooooopiskooooo anime swag Joined: Posts: 4,386
    Damn Striders low damage! He'll never be a good point character because of it, even with all his ridiculous tools to open you up:
    Nice Vergil combos ;)
  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,091
    None of that was EVER inferred.

    However, as Duke just put it, Morrigan is the indisputable best character in the game according to you result-only people.

    And who was one of the only characters to beat her at the height of her dominance?

    Give you a hint. He doesn't like shirts and he doesn't have a mustache and he swings a sword.

    The height of her dominance? She's still winning everything. Yeah he did beat her that one time alright everyone all aboard that gravy train. So good to see all the Dantes and all the success dante has had since then....oh wait
  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,562
    None of that was EVER inferred.

    However, as Duke just put it, Morrigan is the indisputable best character in the game according to you result-only people.

    And who was one of the only characters to beat her at the height of her dominance?

    Give you a hint. He doesn't like shirts and he doesn't have a mustache and he swings a sword.
    I was only giving the next logical step of this 'argument'. Still surprised that people are citing people that also put Spencer very high but don't see much defense on their opinion on him :rolleyes:
  • SiriusBlackSiriusBlack Nice Joined: Posts: 4,096
    The height of her dominance? She's still winning everything. Yeah he did beat her that one time alright everyone all aboard that gravy train. So good to see all the Dantes and all the success dante has had since then....oh wait

    Over your head.
    Wolv/Spencer/Akuma or Wesker/Doom/Spencer
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  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    ....



    Nov 14, 2011. Posted by a regular in this forum.:coffee:
    It's a different setup though. I think that was the point.
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  • TMNTempsTMNTemps brozhear Joined: Posts: 4,188
    Damn Striders low damage! He'll never be a good point character because of it, even with all his ridiculous tools to open you up:

    cool combo, only problem is Strider is no good on that team. he needs neutral assists to safely setup his super busted mixups, and that team has none. going for TACs is a better way to circumvent his damage issue. strider/doom/dante
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  • STANGSTANG Joined: Posts: 1,200
    Zero may cry is a bad team, with bad characters that don't win.

    I NEED MY RESULTS! doom is the best.
  • -AEON--AEON- Joined: Posts: 972
    Strider is second only to Firebrand in the "let someone else do damage for me" contest.

    Some of the characters that work with their raw tag stuff also carry good assists for those two as well.
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  • maziodynemaziodyne Demi-Fiend Joined: Posts: 7,746
    What about Nova/Spencer/Strange? Kappa
  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,583
    Yeah you can hard tag doom off a firebrand combo. Maybe you could hard tag doom off that Strider setup.
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  • Din0Din0 Retired Joined: Posts: 4,158
    Spencer has won 2 majors. That means he's twice as good as Dante.
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  • AlMoStLeGeNdArYAlMoStLeGeNdArY Optimize or Die Joined: Posts: 2,091
    What's Dantes optimal team?
  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    What's Dantes optimal team?

    In the back of Zero, Vergil.
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  • KefKef Joined: Posts: 3,170
    What's Dantes optimal team?

    I personally like Dante-a/Vergil-y/Magneto-a and Dante-a/Vergil-y/Doom-b.
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  • cjaycrcjaycr Joined: Posts: 1,002
    Except that landing j.m, footdive, and throws does happen all the fucking time, dropped combos are a reality, and doom kills you off all of it. Dante gets beat handily in a quite a few matchups and he doesn't have the random factor to beat his bad matchups like doom does. What are dante's good matchups at the high level? There's a reason it's the forum scrubs backing up Dante as a good character rather than top players.

    That said I think dante is a high tier character free because he is the best assist for Vergil and Zero who are the best point characters in the game.
    Why does Dante need random factor to be better than Doom? Can't you just play solid and win? >_>

    The match ups I see Dante struggling with are Spencer, Wolverine, Zero, and Viper. Top tier. No surprises. All of which are much more manageable if you can pop DT. Doom just gets his pipes cleaned. Everyone else I feel like it's even or he beats.
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    Dooooooooooooooooooom can goomba those niggas.
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  • CasualHeroCasualHero It's only random if it beat you. Joined: Posts: 266
    I wouldn't say Dante even struggles with those bad match-ups. He can beat Spencer pretty handily by playing solid (really, what a surprise there) and even Wolverine and Zero are manageable, even if you do have to play better then your opponent and even that might not be enough. Viper's the only one that requires you to really get in your opponents head because her buttons are just so damn good against a lot of what Dante wants to do.
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  • Sephiroth73003Sephiroth73003 Joined: Posts: 4,264
    I wouldn't say Dante even struggles with those bad match-ups. He can beat Spencer pretty handily by playing solid (really, what a surprise there) and even Wolverine and Zero are manageable, even if you do have to play better then your opponent and even that might not be enough. Viper's the only one that requires you to really get in your opponents head because her buttons are just so damn good against a lot of what Dante wants to do.

    Magneto does pretty damn good against dante as well imo. To the point I'd argue it's a disadvantage matchup even. It's definitely a worse matchup than wolverine since dante is one of the few characters who has a safe invincible move even if it is kinda telegraphed. Not to mention Magneto's mixup I feel is a bit stronger and Magneto / Doom is pretty rough for Dante.
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  • CasualHeroCasualHero It's only random if it beat you. Joined: Posts: 266
    Magneto does pretty damn good against dante as well imo. To the point I'd argue it's a disadvantage matchup even. It's definitely a worse matchup than wolverine since dante is one of the few characters who has a safe invincible move even if it is kinda telegraphed. Not to mention Magneto's mixup I feel is a bit stronger and Magneto / Doom is pretty rough for Dante.

    The thing with Dante is any bad match-up can be in the other guys favor and none of them are so far out of Dante's favor that he can't come back.
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  • TMNTempsTMNTemps brozhear Joined: Posts: 4,188
    alright I think we should start putting Frank in S tier. Lvl4 or 5 is just way too strong, easy to set up and he has a great assist to boot
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  • UnSaxon51UnSaxon51 Oh well Joined: Posts: 3,890
    Morrigan confirmed for hands down the best character in the game by results alone.
    Even if we're counting all of Chris G's victories at Big Two, Doom still wins that contest.
    He's regularly used by Chris G, FChamp, Infrit, MarlinPie, and at least a half-dozen other pro players. Doom got more results than anyone.

    Note: I'm not saying that makes him "da bes". Just saying that he's shown his face (so to speak) more than anyone else.
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  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,562
    Man if we're counting weeklies...
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    So, Wolverine #1?
  • DensuoDensuo Winning by Timeout (⌐■_■) Joined: Posts: 6,759
    Let's see how stupid this thread gets now...
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  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,583
    I wouldnt say SCR grand finals was purely won by Wolverine. Vergil played a big hand in it.

    The problem with point morrigan is she doesnt have any good mixups off a snap. Anchor vergil was a problem in those games but Morridoom cant just snap him in and do some bs mixup on him. Any other spencer/bolts, zero/jam team can just get rid of problems at will with snapbacks.

    Chris G would be literally outplaying him the whole game and Vergil would run through his team in seconds. Vergil is like December 2011 anchor wesker except vergil has better ways of forcing you to die thanks to his retarded normals, teleports, speed and spiral swords super. He cant die to flooding the screen like other anchors do.

    I think his incoming options are weak yes, but against morridoom where morrigan doesnt have any overbearing incoming mixups that doesnt really matter.
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  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,562
    Wolverine won exactly how people said Wolverine can beat anyone :rolleyes:
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    Ay ay ay.

    Let's see what you got for me tier thread.
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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Damn 5 Dooms in top 5 is just the worst, if top players were smart there'd have been at least 10 Dantes in top 5.
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  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,583
    Wolverine didnt decimate chris' team every game. When he got away the matchup played how it should for the most part. Thats fine. Thats just how pixies vs zoners work. Thats why I dont really have a problem with Wolverine even though hes amazing. I enjoyed all the Wolvie play from Jwong, Angelic and PR this weekend, even though yes he is easy and has derp stuff. I think Rufus is easy and has derp stuff too but its still more skillful to win with him than Seth.

    Vergil anchor however just has complete control and theres little you can do to stop it unless you have the power to stop him from touching the ground.
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  • ironboy89ironboy89 Beep Boop Beep Joined: Posts: 4,659
    Are we still going to prevend that Doom being 6 teams is more important than the team won the tournament?
  • phantasyphantasy Smash Journeyman Joined: Posts: 8,557
    how anchors work

    strider orbs xf3 > incoming char
    dark phoenix xf3 > incoming char ; vergil might have a chance to activate swords; phoenix with 5 has a chance to escape
    vergil xf3 DT > incoming char ; phoenix with 5 has a chance to escape; vergil has a small chance of activating swords
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  • tabtab the impossible dream Joined: Posts: 1,993
    how (non phoenix) anchors work: pick a team with an unblockable and pray to god that shitlord doesn't touch the ground or figure out a way to beat it that you haven't
  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,562
    Damn 5 Dooms in top 5 is just the worst, if top players were smart there'd have been at least 10 Dantes in top 5.
    oh u
    Time to bump Skrull and Frank up and drop Magneto only one placed.
  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    There's a concept referred to as "outliers". Doom is just the only outlier that is over half the sample size, you guys are right.
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  • phantasyphantasy Smash Journeyman Joined: Posts: 8,557
    dang. if i had only put my vergil + missiles throw xf combo on youtube maybe chrisG would have won
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  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,583
    I'd like to see someone pick Lariat assist on PR balrog or any of the other ultra ham players. That assist is counterpick only tier but its funny how it can change things sometimes.

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  • KefKef Joined: Posts: 3,170
    Are we gonna have the same discussion we had like 10 hours ago? Should I just copy and paste my post or does it even matter?

    Dat theory thread loop is strong.
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  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,562
    dang. if i had only put my vergil + missiles throw xf combo on youtube maybe chrisG would have won
    Chris G isn't crazy enough to watch a Texan :rolleyes:

    The sample size would be useful if the same guy didn't win half the events. Though I think someone already did a recent stats breakdown that was more useful than Doom placed these many times.
  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    I only wonder how these guys at the top win all these events all while happening to use the same character.

    Coincidence is a hell of a thing.
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    I only wonder how these guys at the top win all these events all while happening to use the same character.

    Coincidence is a hell of a thing.

    and a bad character at that
  • The DukeThe Duke Joined: Posts: 14,562
    Doom is the best because he's the only one on all winning teams minus Justin and Yipes. Top 1 free just for his assist/infinite machine value
  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    and a bad character at that

    The worst.
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