Best Player Character

nickdeklinenickdekline TrajanJoined: Posts: 292
who does everyone think the best player characters are?

Ryu- Daigo
Ken-
E. Honda-
Ibuki- Sako
Makoto-
Dudley-
Seth- Poongko
Gouken-
Akuma- Infiltration
Gen- Xian
Dan- Ixion
Sakura- Human Bomb
Oni-
Yun-
Juri-
Chun Li-
Dhalsim- FChamp
Abel-
C. Viper- Wolfkrone
Bison- Happy Medicine
Sagat- RF
Cammy- K-Brad
Dee Jay-
Cody- Momochi
Guy-
Hakan-
Yang-
E. Ryu-
Guile- Dieminion
Blanka- Riceata
Zangief- Snake Eyez
Rufus- Ricky Ortiz
El Fuerte- IPERU
Vega-
Balrog- PR Balrog
Fei Long- Fuudo
T. Hawk-
Adon- Gamerbee
Rose- Luffy
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  • littlescumbaglittlescumbag Joined: Posts: 292
    who does everyone think the best player characters are?

    Ryu- Daigo
    Ken-
    E. Honda-
    Ibuki- Sako
    Makoto-
    Dudley-
    Seth- Poongko
    Gouken-
    Akuma- Infiltration
    Gen- Xian
    Dan- Ixion
    Sakura- Human Bomb
    Oni-
    Yun-
    Juri-
    Chun Li-
    Dhalsim- FChamp
    Abel-
    C. Viper- Wolfkrone
    Bison- Happy Medicine
    Sagat- RF
    Cammy- K-Brad
    Dee Jay-
    Cody- Momochi
    Guy-
    Hakan-
    Yang-
    E. Ryu-
    Guile- Dieminion
    Blanka- Riceata
    Zangief- Snake Eyez
    Rufus- Ricky Ortiz
    El Fuerte- IPERU
    Vega-
    Balrog- PR Balrog
    Fei Long- Fuudo
    T. Hawk-
    Adon- Gamerbee
    Rose- Luffy
    too many americans in this list ... thats just rediculous ... americans have only the best rufus,viper and barlog (not sure about guile and honda) ,almost everything else is japan baby

    Makoto-Heitani
    Vega - araidon
    Hakan -Ebi[SIZE=12px](the guy who won with hakan a tournament lately in japan)[/SIZE]
    Guy - Kiriyu (might be wrong)
    Sagat - Bonchan 100% its deffinetly not RF thats rediculous
    Chun LI -Y24
    Akuma-Tokido (he is a better character specialist than infiltration ...infiltration is just a better player than him )
    Gouken - ProudStrawbery (probably)
    Cammy - banbaban/Xiao Hai/Alioune Sensei ... just pick one (K-Brad seriously? you kidding?)
    Guile - I am not really sure he's the best guile but at the moment i cant come with anything else
    Blanka - Mizoteru , riceta is not bad but not at mizoterus lvl
    Bison - Dogura (Happy Medicine hes maybe the best in US but dogura is the strongest world bison)
    Yun -Kazoonoko (Daigo is a beast too with him but he droped him)
    Ken - Michael Tan / LeviStraus
    T-Hawk - Toro (or something like that)
    Sakura-Uryo
    Dalshim- YHC-mochi ( Fchamp??? yeah right! )

    thats it for now
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  • C3TNC3TN Joined: Posts: 52
    Best Cammy = K-Brad? Sagat RF? Akuma Tokido?! :eek:
  • Ryuken9Ryuken9 Joined: Posts: 504
    Ken = Micheal Tan
    Sagat = Bonchan
    Gouken = Infiltration
    Guile = Dieminion
    Guy = OTinhoso
    Honda = Mike Ross
    Cody = Momochi
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  • metallicabandmetallicaband DP & A TELEPORT ?!! Joined: Posts: 2,289 ✭✭✭✭
    k-brad best Cammy? lulz
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  • The 5th HorsemanThe 5th Horseman Rushdown Artist Joined: Posts: 408
    theres no way in hell kbrad is the best cammy. not even close. Sako >>>>>>> other JP Cammys >> "unknown" american Cammys >> Kbrad >>> everyone else

    also:

    Vega: Makoto
    Gouken: Bullcat / Veloc1raptor
    Sagat: probably Bonchan or Mago
    Guy: Kiryu
    Ryu: Daigo
    Ken: drs Chris, Michael tan
    Honda: mike Ross, akimo
    Ibuki: sako
    Makoto: Haitini, vryu
    Dudley: no idea
    Seth: poongko
    Akuma: tokido
    Gen: xian
    Dan: ixion
    Sakura: humanbomb, uryo
    Oni: no idea
    Yun: kazunoko
    Juri: no idea
    Chun: y24, broly
    Dhalsim: mochi
    Abel: nekojita
    Viper: latif
    Bison: shungoku neurosis, dogura
    Deejay: no idea
    Cody: momochi
    Hakan: no idea. Wildcat?
    Yang: nemo
    Evil ryu: no idea
    Guile: dieminion
    Blanka: misoteru, t srai
    Zangief: snake yes, vangief
    Rufus: Ricky Ortiz, Justin
    Fuerte: iperu
    Balrog: pr rog
    T hawk: idk, native ?
    Fei long: mago, fuudo
    Rose: luffy
    Adon: gamerbee
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  • scrub15scrub15 Joined: Posts: 382
    Ryu- Daigo
    Ken- Michael Tam
    E. Honda- Akimo
    Ibuki- Sako
    Makoto- Haitani or maybe Shiro
    Dudley- No clue
    Seth- Poongko
    Gouken- Infiltration, ProudStrawberry, Bullcat
    Akuma- Infiltration
    Gen- Xian, Amiyu
    Dan- Ixion,
    Sakura- Human Bomb
    Oni- No clue
    Yun- Kazunoko
    Juri- No clue
    Chun Li- No clue
    Dhalsim- FChamp
    Abel- Nekojita
    C. Viper- Wolfkrone, Latif
    Bison- Shungoku Neurosis
    Sagat- Bonchan, RF
    Cammy- ACQUA, Banbanban, Xiao Hai Aliuone
    Dee Jay- No Clue
    Cody- Momochi
    Guy- No Clue
    Hakan- Maybe Infiltration?
    Yang- Nemo
    E. Ryu- Mr. Naps, Sako?
    Guile- Dieminion
    Blanka- No Clue
    Zangief- Itabashi
    Rufus- Justin Wong
    El Fuerte- No Clue
    Vega- No Clue
    Balrog- PR Balrog
    Fei Long- Fuudo, Mago
    T. Hawk- No Clue
    Adon- Gamerbee
    Rose- No Clue
  • LiangHuBBBLiangHuBBB Joined: Posts: 752
    Infiltration's Gouken is much better than ProudStrawberry's or Bullcat's imo.
    I suggest Vers' Gouken even over them.
  • VulpesVulpes No. Joined: Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭
    Does noone list Y° for Cammy because we rarely see him or because you don't deem him that good? What I saw of him was extremely impressive.
    Why.
  • littlescumbaglittlescumbag Joined: Posts: 292
    Does noone list Y° for Cammy because we rarely see him or because you don't deem him that good? What I saw of him was extremely impressive.
    there is almost imposible to choose one guy as the best cammy ... there are so many godlike cammys out there
    i listed only the ones that had constant good tournament showings
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  • farhanniusfarhannius Joined: Posts: 172
    Best Guile is ACE E I RI N! Nah just kidding it's obviously Dieminion, but I really would like to see how ACE would do in a tournament; I regard him as practically unbeatable online.
  • cerberusfxcerberusfx Timekeeper Joined: Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭
    Rose- No Clue

    Keshikaran / Rosetukaidesu / Filipinoman / Sakonoko / Saqs
    to an extent --- Uryo
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  • The 5th HorsemanThe 5th Horseman Rushdown Artist Joined: Posts: 408
    Sako is literally the only cammy that can be considered the best. No one is even close, not even alioune.
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  • cliffesidecliffeside lethargic fighter. Joined: Posts: 736
    ITT: most popular player character

    anyways, best dudley player is kuroken.
    hit me up for some scrubley action.
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  • GrubletGrublet Button Masher Joined: Posts: 2,848
    Sako is literally the only cammy that can be considered the best. No one is even close, not even alioune.
    Xiaohai got 4th place at Evo with Cammy. That makes him a pretty damn good Cammy.
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  • SeikanoSeikano c'mon man. Joined: Posts: 104
    Here's my view on who's best or close to.
    Ryu- Daigo
    Ken- Michael Tan
    E. Honda- Akimo, Owa ri re, Mike Ross, Hoodaman
    Ibuki- Sako
    Makoto- Haitani
    Dudley- Kuroken
    Seth- Poongko; Dashio
    Gouken- Infiltration, Ver, ProudStrawberry and Bullcat.
    Akuma- Infiltration
    Gen- Xian, Amiyu
    Dan- Ixion,
    Sakura- Uryo, Juso.
    Oni- Shinbojan, Wao, Chris Hu
    Yun- Kazunoko
    Juri- Lutuna, Weirdoneo
    Chun Li- Vivitan
    Dhalsim- YHCMochi
    Abel- Nekojita, Pikagoma
    C. Viper- Wolfkrone, Latif.
    Bison- Shungoku Neurosis, Dogura.
    Sagat- Bonchan
    Cammy- Xiaohai, my friend Bunsomite :P
    Dee Jay- Akimo had a sick DJ, kurokiba, freejay, blaqskillz?
    Cody- Myself.....................jk, Momochi, Shitamashi Prince.
    Guy- Kiryu, Otinhoso, Lumina1re had a very strong showing this past weekend at SCR against Infiltration.
    Hakan- EBI, Infiltration.
    Yang- Kyoku (Best of Birds)
    E. Ryu- As far as I know, Sako.
    Guile- Dieminion
    Blanka- Mizoteru, T Srai
    Zangief- Snake Eyez
    Rufus- Justin Wong, Ricky Ortiz, Inco.
    El Fuerte- iPeru
    Vega- Chris King
    Balrog- PR Balrog, Keno
    Fei Long- Mago, Fuudo
    T. Hawk- KojiKOG
    Adon- Gamerbee
    Rose- Filipino Man, Keshikaran, Tiaflatte, Sako.
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭
    Ryu- Daigo(JP)
    Ken- Michael-tan(JP) or DragonBoy(JP)
    E. Honda- haven't seen any recent hondas but Akimo(JP) was the best
    Ibuki- Sako(JP)
    Makoto- Haitani(JP)
    Dudley- Kuroken(JP)
    Seth- Poongko(KOR)
    Gouken- Infiltration(KOR)?
    Akuma- Infiltration(KOR) maybe, but he lacks Tokido's vortex
    Gen- Xian(SG) or Amiyu(JP)
    Dan- ???
    Sakura- URyo(JP) (lol @ thinking HumanBomb)
    Oni- wao(JP)
    Yun- Kazunoko(JP)
    Juri- can't recall the names, Yossan(JP) is pretty good
    Chun Li- Vivi(JP), Y24(JP)
    Dhalsim- YHC Mochi(JP)
    Abel- Nekojita(JP) or Ojisan Boy(JP)
    C. Viper- URyo(JP), even though he doesn't really play her anymore
    Bison- Dogura(JP)
    Sagat- Bonchan(JP)
    Cammy- Sako(JP) followed by Banbaban(JP), lol @ picking KBrad
    Dee Jay-
    Cody- Momochi(JP)
    Guy-
    Hakan- Ebi(JP)
    Yang- Ojisan Boy(JP)
    E. Ryu- Naruo(JP), Sako(JP)
    Guile- Dieminion only because I haven't seen any recent Guiles...there were better Guiles in Japan before
    Blanka- Mizoteru(JP) or Taku(JP)
    Zangief- ???
    Rufus- MDR(JP)
    El Fuerte- TKD(JP)
    Vega- forgot his name, it was like Rikosute or something, from Japan
    Balrog- PR Rog probably, not sure if Maida Taisen(JP) still plays
    Fei Long- Fuudo(JP), Mago(JP)
    T. Hawk- Kouji KOG(JP)
    Adon- Gamerbee(TW)
    Rose- Kawaguuchi(JP) or Sako(JP)
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  • EmanuelbEmanuelb Joined: Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭
    Sako is literally the only cammy that can be considered the best. No one is even close, not even alioune.

    Except he no longer plays cammy.
    I think when we reffer to as the best player we should mean someone who still plays the respective character.
    Sako is deffinetelly the best Ibuki player.
    Ryu- Daigo(JP)
    C. Viper- URyo(JP), even though he doesn't really play her anymore
    Rufus- MDR(JP)
    El Fuerte- TKD(JP)
    Adon- Gamerbee(JP)

    Uryo the best Viper ? Mdr best Rufus ? tkd best Fuerte ???
    Also, Gamerbee is from Taiwan, and Taiwan is not a part of Japan since WW2
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  • EmanuelbEmanuelb Joined: Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭
    I took a different aproach - I tried to see who's the best player for every character based strictly on their performance on single tourneys. I didn't count team tourneys, so Japan is deffinetelly disadvantaged. But is very difficult to say who's the best players in Japan as long as you don't see how they perform in single tourneys. Some online videos are not enough in my oppinion.
    That being said, best players according to their performances in v.2012 single tournaments:

    - Abel: Juicebox - 2nd at WB
    - Adon: Gamerbee - 2nd at Evo
    - Akuma: Infiltration - won Evo
    - Balrog: PR Rog - 3rd at Evo
    - Blanka: Riceata - top 16 at Canada Cup
    - Cammy: Xiaohai - 4th at Evo
    - Chun Li: Broly Legs - top 64 at Evo
    - Cody: Momochi - 2nd at CEO
    - C. Viper: Wolfkrone - won FR
    - Dan: Ixion - top 16 at Dreamhack
    - Dee Jay: toss up between Kurokiba - top 8 at Hadokon, and Viscant - top 16 at Socal 2012
    - Dhalsim: F. Champ - won Revelations
    - Dudley: Rasalas - top 32 at CEO
    - E. Honda: Mike Ross - 4th at ECT4
    - El Fuerte: iPeru - top 16 at Evo
    - Evil Ryu: Naruo - top 8 at SS
    - Fei Long: toss up between Mago - 2nd at Canada Cup and Fuudo - 3rd at CC, won TL, and top 16 at Evo.
    - Gen: Xian - won Canada Cup
    - Gouken: Velociraptor - top 64 at Evo
    - Guile: Dieminion - top 8 at Evo
    - Guy: Kyomatsu - top 64 at Evo
    - Hakan: Ebi - won a japanese tourney (forgot the name)
    - Ibuki: ClakeyD - top 8 Sf 25th ann. LA tourney
    - Juri: WeirdoNeo - top 16 at NEC
    - Ken: toss up between MOV and drs Chris - both top 32 at Evo
    - Makoto: Haitani - top 16 at Evo
    - M. Bison: Dogura - top 16 at Evo
    - Oni: Combofiend - top 8 at Revelations
    - Rose: Filipinoman - top 8 at Sf 25th ann. LA tourney
    - Rufus: toss up between J. Wong and R. Ortiz - both won multiple majors
    - Ryu: Daigo - top 8 at Evo
    - Sagat: toss up between Bonchan - top 8 at CC and S. Kelly - top 8 at ECT4
    - Sakura: Human Bomb - top 8 at Evo
    - Seth: Poongko - top 8 at Evo
    - T. Hawk: Phenix - 4th at SF 25th ann. in Paris
    - Vega: Zeus - top 8 at NEC
    - Yang: Kyoku - top 8 at SF 25th ann. Japan qualifier
    - Yun: Kazunoko - top 8 at Canada Cup
    - Zangief: Snake Eyez - won SF 25th ann. LA tourney
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  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭
    Except he no longer plays cammy.
    I think when we reffer to as the best player we should mean someone who still plays the respective character.
    Sako is deffinetelly the best Ibuki player.

    If he picked her at random, he will still play her better.
    Uryo the best Viper ? Mdr best Rufus ? tkd best Fuerte ???
    Also, Gamerbee is from Taiwan, and Taiwan is not a part of Japan since WW2

    Uryo still uses Viper and plays her at a monster level.

    As for Gamerbee, I was cut and pasting the (JP) tag and accidentally added it to him.
    Emanuelb wrote:
    - Abel: Juicebox - 2nd at WB
    - Adon: Gamerbee - 2nd at Evo
    - Akuma: Infiltration - won Evo
    - Balrog: PR Rog - 3rd at Evo
    - Blanka: Riceata - top 16 at Canada Cup
    - Cammy: Xiaohai - 4th at Evo
    - Chun Li: Broly Legs - top 64 at Evo
    - Cody: Momochi - 2nd at CEO
    - C. Viper: Wolfkrone - won FR
    - Dan: Ixion - top 16 at Dreamhack
    - Dee Jay: toss up between Kurokiba - top 8 at Hadokon, and Viscant - top 16 at Socal 2012
    - Dhalsim: F. Champ - won Revelations
    - Dudley: Rasalas - top 32 at CEO
    - E. Honda: Mike Ross - 4th at ECT4
    - El Fuerte: iPeru - top 16 at Evo
    - Evil Ryu: Naruo - top 8 at SS
    - Fei Long: toss up between Mago - 2nd at Canada Cup and Fuudo - 3rd at CC, won TL, and top 16 at Evo.
    - Gen: Xian - won Canada Cup
    - Gouken: Velociraptor - top 64 at Evo
    - Guile: Dieminion - top 8 at Evo
    - Guy: Kyomatsu - top 64 at Evo
    - Hakan: Ebi - won a japanese tourney (forgot the name)
    - Ibuki: ClakeyD - top 8 Sf 25th ann. LA tourney
    - Juri: WeirdoNeo - top 16 at NEC
    - Ken: toss up between MOV and drs Chris - both top 32 at Evo
    - Makoto: Haitani - top 16 at Evo
    - M. Bison: Dogura - top 16 at Evo
    - Oni: Combofiend - top 8 at Revelations
    - Rose: Filipinoman - top 8 at Sf 25th ann. LA tourney
    - Rufus: toss up between J. Wong and R. Ortiz - both won multiple majors
    - Ryu: Daigo - top 8 at Evo
    - Sagat: toss up between Bonchan - top 8 at CC and S. Kelly - top 8 at ECT4
    - Sakura: Human Bomb - top 8 at Evo
    - Seth: Poongko - top 8 at Evo
    - T. Hawk: Blueblazer - top 16 at Toryuken and T13
    - Vega: Zeus - top 8 at NEC
    - Yang: Kyoku - top 8 at SF 25th ann. Japan qualifier
    - Yun: Kazunoko - top 8 at Canada Cup
    - Zangief: Snake Eyez - won SF 25th ann. LA tourney

    Way to ignore like...almost every international tournament. Like for T Hawk, you missed Mixup Night tournament in Japan, where Kouji KOG placed very high. For Rose, you missed Kawaguuchi at SBO and while it was a team tournament, he played and won most of his matches. For Guy, you're missing Mixup Night again. For Chun, Vivi got like top 4(I think) at the Chou Tougeki SBO qualifier, which was a pretty big one in terms of the names that were there. URyo won that qualifier for Sakura and I'd probably weight that specific qualifier to be higher than getting top 8 at Evo, so I'd put URyo over Humanbomb for Sakura.

    Though realistically, it doesn't make sense to use tournament placings for ranking of players because some brackets are easier/harder than others and some tournaments hold more/less weight than others.
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    - Ibuki: ClakeyD - top 8 Sf 25th ann. LA tourney
    - Sagat: toss up between Bonchan - top 8 at CC and S. Kelly - top 8 at ECT4

    Are you ignoring the Topanga League here? Sako(Ibuki) got 1st in TL#1 , 3rd in TL#2 and Tied for 17th at Evo.
    Bonchan Sagatto got 4th in TL#2.
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    For Ken, Japanese players say KichiyojiKen (sp) and DragonBoy are better than Michael Tan.
  • EmanuelbEmanuelb Joined: Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭
    If he picked her at random, he will still play her better.

    Uryo still uses Viper and plays her at a monster level.

    Way to ignore like...almost every international tournament. Like for T Hawk, you missed Mixup Night tournament in Japan, where Kouji KOG placed very high. For Rose, you missed Kawaguuchi at SBO and while it was a team tournament, he played and won most of his matches. For Guy, you're missing Mixup Night again. For Chun, Vivi got like top 4(I think) at the Chou Tougeki SBO qualifier, which was a pretty big one in terms of the names that were there. URyo won that qualifier for Sakura and I'd probably weight that specific qualifier to be higher than getting top 8 at Evo, so I'd put URyo over Humanbomb for Sakura.

    Though realistically, it doesn't make sense to use tournament placings for ranking of players because some brackets are easier/harder than others and some tournaments hold more/less weight than others.

    - Sako: maybe, but the fact is Sako no longer plays Cammy since Super, so I don't think there's a point of listing him as a cammy player, since he only plays Ibuki for quite a time.

    - I've only seen Uryo going with viper to counterpick Dieminion at Evo - he lost badly. I haven't seen his viper otherwise. Wolfkrone on the other hand won many majors with viper.

    - Actually I included international tourneys - Shadowloo is there. Mix up nights from what I see is more like WNF or B2. SBO is a team tourney, and I stated that I don't count team tourneys, same for Chou tougeki.
    But when it comes to Japan is very possible to have missed some tourneys, because is very difficult to find info about them. I made the list with what I could find.

    I think it makes more sense to use tournament results then simply picking whomever you think is the best. Someone has to prove he is the best, after all, and tournaments are the best way in my oppinion.
    It doesn't make much more sense to call a player the best simply because I've seen him in a couple of online matches.
    Are you ignoring the Topanga League here? Sako(Ibuki) got 1st in TL#1 , 3rd in TL#2 and Tied for 17th at Evo.
    Bonchan Sagatto got 4th in TL#2.

    I'm not ignoring it, I usually just listed the best performance, not all of them.
    Topanga League is very difficult to weight, because is an invitational tournament, and there are only 12 players in it.
    Sako finnished 1st from 12 players, ClakeyD finnished top 8 in a tournament with 256 players.
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  • VulpesVulpes No. Joined: Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭
    It doesn't make much more sense to call a player the best simply because I've seen him in a couple of online matches.
    It makes even less sense to create a list of who's best based on tourney results and to then ignore 95% of the japanese tournies.
    The 'couple online matches' (it's actually a duckload of offline ones) I've seen of Younashi are more than enough to call him a leagues better Juri than WeirdoNeo.
    Why.
  • EmanuelbEmanuelb Joined: Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭
    If you provide me the info for Japanese tourneys I gladly update the list. Because as far as I know, those "95%" are almost all team tourneys, which are quite irelevant when it comes to our disscusion.
    Btw, I stated pretty clear that my list is about best tournament performance, NOT best player overall.
    At least my list has a criteria for selecting people, wether or not is the best is up to discussion.
    On the other hand, simply stating that Younashi is better is based on what ? Your own abillity on judging the talent of a player based on videos ?
    For the record, yes, I think Younashi might be better than WeirdoNeo. That doesn't change the fact that Neo proved more in tournaments than Younashi.
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    Japanese tourneys are Japanese players only and it's mostly single elimination. EVO, Shadowloo Showdown, Season's Beating, invites players from everywhere, many Japanese players have stated that EVO is by far the hardest tournament there is with the highest skill level.

    Placing Akimo above Mike Ross? Mike Ross beat the best of japan at the SF2 classic.
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  • BlueberryBlueberry Joined: Posts: 573 ✭✭
    Mike Ross, Hoodaman, SteveO and Cuongster are all better Hondas than Akimo
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭
    SBO is a team tourney, and I stated that I don't count team tourneys, same for Chou tougeki.

    Chou Tougeki was a singles tournament btw. Also why is Mixup Night like a WNF? They've only done like 6 Mixup Night tourneys ever. It's a legitimate tournament.
    Japanese tourneys are Japanese players only and it's mostly single elimination. EVO, Shadowloo Showdown, Season's Beating, invites players from everywhere, many Japanese players have stated that EVO is by far the hardest tournament there is with the highest skill level.

    It is the Japanese at Evo that make the skill level as high as it is. The fact that you invite people from all around the world, it results in a lower average skill level because the Japanese players are the best but very few of them get a chance to attend Evo. If Evo was easy/cheap to attend for international players, you will see an entire top 8 Japan placing.

    Evo might be the hardest one to win because of how many players you have to go through, but that's about it.
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  • VulpesVulpes No. Joined: Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭
    If Evo was easy/cheap to attend for international players, you will see an entire top 8 Japan placing.
    Congratulations! You just scored pretty high on the "Dumbest shit I've read on these forums"-list. And this is SRK.
    Why.
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    Ken - Michael Tan - Top 16 shadowloo showdown
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    I asked Akimo on twitter what he would rate Mike Ross as a honda and he said "B"

    Mike Ross himself stated his knowledge as honda is pretty poor and learns from other hondas. But then again, USA did state Japan was free in Marvel and then lost at Final Round.

    "beat the best of Japan" , Mago,Tokido,Uryo,etc didn't join. Oh wait, Kazunoko playing Sagat must count.(just stating he was there.)
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    ITT: names people saw on yogaflame24 replays

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    Ryu-Daigo
    Ken-Momochi
    E.Honda-Mike Ross
    Ibuki-Sako
    Makoto-Haitani
    Dudley-Kindevu
    Seth-Poongko
    Gouken-Infiltration
    Akuma-Infiltration
    Gen-Xian
    Dan-Kindevu
    Sakura-Uryo
    Oni-wao
    Yun-Kazunoko
    Juri-Kindevu
    ChunLi-???
    Dhalsim-YHC
    Abel-Juicebox
    C.Viper-Kindevu
    Bison-HappyMedicine
    Sagat-Bonchan
    Cammy-Xiaohai
    DeeJay-Kyotojin
    Cody-Momochi
    Guy-Kindevu
    Hakan-Infiltration
    Yang-Nemo
    E.Ryu-Sako
    Guile-Dieminion
    Blanka-???
    Zangief-SnakeEyez
    Rufus-RickyOrtiz
    ElFuerte-IPERU
    Vega-???
    Balrog-PRBalrog
    FeiLong-Fuudo
    T.Hawk-Kindevu
    Adon-Gamerbee
    Rose-Sako
  • EmanuelbEmanuelb Joined: Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭
    Ken - Michael Tan - Top 16 shadowloo showdown

    Yeah, Ken was a tough choice. But I went with Mov/ Chris since Evo is way bigger than SS, so getting top 32 at Evo is theoretically a better acomplishment than top 16 at SS.
    I asked Akimo on twitter what he would rate Mike Ross as a honda and he said "B"

    Mike Ross himself stated his knowledge as honda is pretty poor and learns from other hondas.

    The question of who's the best Honda player is a difficult one.
    You have Cuongster from Europe, Mike Ross and Hoodaman from Usa, and then japanese Hondas - Akimo, Owarire, Katakana Deaoki, etc

    Ranking them is very difficult because I've never seen Akimo and other jap. hondas playing in single tournaments, and making a decision based solely on 1 game is quite difficult. I wish they would travel more.

    On the other hand, Mike Ross is a strange beast. He has the most unorthodox Honda, playing agressive. He might be the most talented honda player, he is able to make some amazing reads.
    Problem is, he also has some big faults. He hates to play lame - and this is one of Honda's strenghts, like it or not. Unfortunatelly this thing cost him a lot in many tourneys, because there are some matches where Honda needs to play lame. That's why Mike Ross loses all the time against PR Rog - he just doesn't have the patience to play that match. Just watch him ag PR at Socal - he had a huge life lead ag PR's Fei, he should just turtle, he also had super for the next round - a perfect scenario. But instead, he decided to keep going on offence, Fei caught him, put him in the corner, and everything was lost.
    Another example was at Evo ag Dogura - another match he should have win, but because he didn't want to turtle, he lost (remember "lame it out, mike").
    A perfect counterexample is Hoodaman, who managed to beat twice PR with Honda - because he has what Mike lacks - patience.

    So, I understand why Akimo don't think Mike is that great as a proper Honda player. But on the other hand, his talent is unquestionable.
    I also hope to see Akimo, Katakana, and other at SS and Evo more :)
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  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭
    On the other hand, Mike Ross is a strange beast. He has the most unorthodox Honda, playing agressive. He might be the most talented honda player, he is able to make some amazing reads.

    And also some amazingly bad reads, like throwing out ultras from full screen when the opponent didn't do anything at all(at this range you shouldn't even be reading, but rather reacting anyway). That just makes him look like a hail mary player when you got so many amazing reads and amazing misreads.

    Learn how to rate player skill by watching them play. It's not hard to see which ones have better execution, faster reactions, more awareness, more knowledge, more mental stability, better predictions, etc. Akimo has all of these over Mike Ross, including reads because he doesn't misread nearly as often and he's fighting players that are less predictable than the ones Mike Ross plays against.
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  • EmanuelbEmanuelb Joined: Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭
    What the..


    It seems Kindevu plays a lot of characters, and he is the best with them, too :D
    Except for Cammy, his main.
    Dudley-Kindevu
    Dan-Kindevu
    Juri-Kindevu
    C.Viper-Kindevu
    Guy-Kindevu
    T.Hawk-Kindevu
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  • Huggy BearHuggy Bear Scoops Häagen-Dazs® Joined: Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭
    Ryu-Daigo
    Ken-Momochi
    E.Honda-oware jp
    Ibuki-Sako
    Makoto-Haitani
    Dudley-No idea.
    Seth-Poongko
    Gouken-Bullcat
    Akuma-Infiltration
    Gen-Amiyu
    Dan-Kindevu
    Sakura-Uryo
    Oni-wao
    Yun-Kazunoko
    Juri-Lutuna??
    ChunLi-No idea
    Dhalsim-YHCMochi
    Abel-Rico Suave (imo...)
    C.Viper-Kindevu
    Bison-Dogura
    Sagat-Bonchan
    Cammy-Xiaohai
    DeeJay-Kyotojin
    Cody-Momochi
    Guy-Kiryu
    Hakan-Infiltration
    Yang-Nemo
    E.Ryu-No idea
    Guile-Dieminion
    Blanka-No idea. Maybe Choco???????
    Zangief-Zangitan / Vangief
    Rufus-RickyOrtiz
    ElFuerte-iPeru
    Vega-???
    Balrog-Pr Rog
    FeiLong-Fuudo
    T.Hawk-no idea
    Adon-Gamerbee
    Rose-Sako
    Logan / Spencer / Gouki

  • ilitiritilitirit Joined: Posts: 5,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Going by observation, tournament wins, arcade/console ranking and anecdotal evidence:

    Ryu: Umehara
    Ken: Michael Tan
    E. Honda: Mike Ross
    Ibuki: Sako, Iyo
    Makoto: Haitani, Shiro
    Dudley: Kuroken, MrKimoKoan
    Seth: Poongko, OnlineTony
    Gouken: Infiltration, ProudStrawberry, VER
    Akuma: Infiltration, Tokido
    Gen: Xian, Amiyu
    Dan: Ixion
    Sakura: Uryo, Human Bomb
    Oni: wao
    Yun: Kazunoko, Umehara
    Juri: Younashi, Yossan
    Chun Li: Y24, Vivi, Tommy
    Dhalsim: FChamp, YHC Mochi
    Abel: Nekojita
    C. Viper: Latif, Wolfkrone
    Bison: Dogura, Neurosis
    Sagat: Bonchan, Gachi-kun
    Cammy: Alioune, Sako
    Dee Jay: Akimo
    Cody: Momochi, Sasaki
    Guy: Nox2, Kiryu Tsukimiya
    Hakan: EBI, Infiltration
    Yang: Nemo
    E. Ryu: KOK, Sako
    Guile: Dieminion
    Blanka: Taku, Mizoteru
    Zangief: Snake Eyez
    Rufus: Ricky Ortiz, Justin Wong
    El Fuerte: IPERU
    Vega: Reiketsu,
    Balrog: PR Balrog
    Fei Long: Mago, Fuudo
    T. Hawk: Kouji KOG
    Adon: Gamerbee
    Rose: Louffy, Keshikaran, Kawaguuchi, Sako
  • RandomDRRandomDR The great man of metal in his underwear. Joined: Posts: 17
    Ryu- Daigo, wWAx Solid
    Ken- Playerjun
    E. Honda-
    Ibuki- Sako
    Makoto- Vryu Sensei
    Dudley- Kuroken
    Seth- Poongko
    Gouken- Bullcat, Proudstrawberry
    Akuma- Infiltration, Tokido
    Gen- Xian
    Dan- Ixion
    Sakura- Human Bomb
    Oni- Wao
    Yun- Daigo
    Juri- Lutuna
    Chun Li-
    Dhalsim- FChamp
    Abel-
    C. Viper- Latif
    Bison- Isy
    Sagat- RF
    Cammy- Shimolen
    Dee Jay-
    Cody- Momochi
    Guy-
    Hakan-Wildcat
    Yang-Nemo
    E. Ryu- Sako
    Guile- Dieminion
    Blanka-
    Zangief- Snake Eyez
    Rufus- Ricky Ortiz, Justin Wong
    El Fuerte- GiPie
    Vega-
    Balrog- PR Balrog
    Fei Long- Mago
    T. Hawk-
    Adon- Gamerbee
    Rose- Sako
    Play third strike, its a good game.
  • VolcanicAkuma55VolcanicAkuma55 Joined: Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭✭
    Akuma- VolcanicAkuma55
    SF main: Akuma
    not wannabe, GUNNA BE pro. just need more practice.
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  • littlescumbaglittlescumbag Joined: Posts: 292
    Ryu- Daigo, wWAx Solid
    xWAx Solid ??? really? you put that dude close to Daigo ??? myslef i love watching solid play but considering him one of the best is just sad
    maybe sekiganryu and dakou could be considered in the top 3 ryus in the world ... but there is no doubt who is #1 !!!
    GFWL: LitlleScumbag :Main: Ryu... Subs: Oni ... Plays on the side : Cammy,Sagat,Evil Ryu,Fei Long,Bison,Guile,Akuma,Ken

    XBL: LitlleScumbag :Main: Ryu... Subs: Oni ... Plays on the side : Cammy,Sagat,Evil Ryu,Fei Long,Bison,Guile,Akuma,Ken

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  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭
    xWAx Solid ??? really? you put that dude close to Daigo ??? myslef i love watching solid play but considering him one of the best is just sad
    maybe sekiganryu and dakou could be considered in the top 3 ryus in the world ... but there is no doubt who is #1 !!!

    A lot of people here are unable to identify talent when they see it. There's so many better Ryus out there, even jyobin who unobservant people just consider to be randomly mashing shit
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  • zUkUuzUkUu Theory Pro Joined: Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭
    Mike Ross for every character.
    我道
  • littlescumbaglittlescumbag Joined: Posts: 292
    A lot of people here are unable to identify talent when they see it. There's so many better Ryus out there, even jyobin who unobservant people just consider to be randomly mashing shit
    Solid is a super ultra talented player , probably the most fun to watch ryu on planet but hes not even near to Daigos lvl...you cant consider solid as one of the best ryus on planet,hes just an fun to watch online warior

    and Jyobin can suck it , he pulls some amazing shit from time to time but fuck that guy !!! Jyobin is a retard !!! why the fuck is he even famous ??? i have better ryu's in my friend list
    GFWL: LitlleScumbag :Main: Ryu... Subs: Oni ... Plays on the side : Cammy,Sagat,Evil Ryu,Fei Long,Bison,Guile,Akuma,Ken

    XBL: LitlleScumbag :Main: Ryu... Subs: Oni ... Plays on the side : Cammy,Sagat,Evil Ryu,Fei Long,Bison,Guile,Akuma,Ken

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    Steam : LittleScumbag : failing to improve at KOF here
  • BlueberryBlueberry Joined: Posts: 573 ✭✭
    How in the fuck is Ryu fun to watch...
  • C3TNC3TN Joined: Posts: 52
    How in the fuck is Ryu fun to watch...
    Because he takes skill to play.
  • RandomDRRandomDR The great man of metal in his underwear. Joined: Posts: 17
    xWAx Solid ??? really? you put that dude close to Daigo ??? myslef i love watching solid play but considering him one of the best is just sad
    maybe sekiganryu and dakou could be considered in the top 3 ryus in the world ... but there is no doubt who is #1 !!!

    Well, this is just my opinion. I just greatly enjoy watching Solid play (maybe even more that i enjoy watching Daigo play), and well, i still consider him to be one of the best ruys out there, even thought he truly is not even close to Daigo :)
    And thanks for reminding me of dakou, i just forgot to put him there ^^'
    A lot of people here are unable to identify talent when they see it. There's so many better Ryus out there, even jyobin who unobservant people just consider to be randomly mashing shit


    And well.. even though i love to watch jyobin play, and i think he is a really solid Ruy at times, i still dont consider him to be better than Solid.
    Play third strike, its a good game.
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭
    and Jyobin can suck it , he pulls some amazing shit from time to time but fuck that guy !!! Jyobin is a retard !!! why the fuck is he even famous ??? i have better ryu's in my friend list

    Jyobin is thinking on many levels ahead of the opponent it seems. He kind of reminds me of poongko, and people laughed at me when Poongko was relatively unknown and I was saying he was a genius. Jyobin is probably lower level than Poongko but their train of thought is similar.
    KoF97 - Chizuru/Yamazaki/Choi | KoF98 - Chizuru/Iori/Kyo/O.Chris | KoF2k2 - Kim/Whip/Athena/Choi |
    Kof13 - Duolon/Kim/Shen Woo | UMVC3 - Morrigan/Doom/Magneto | P4U - Shadow Labrys | SFxT - Lili/Xiaoyu |
    GGXXAC - DIZZY
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