SFxT 2013 hidden changes thread

RoGE9

Figured this deserved it's own thread as we should find out these changes the quickest way possible. List anything that's not on the system/characters change list.

You can view the list here: http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/2013-patch-notes-compilation.170885/

Please click "agree" on the person's post to confirm the change.

Kongrosion

Patch notes compilation thread: http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/2013-patch-notes-compilation.170885/

Stealth nerf: Zangief's PPP Lariat now does 100/120 damage, down from 150.

Doopliss

Paul has a lot of hidden buffs(Found by zUkUu, street11 and me):

Paul's Phoenix Smasher has JP5, up from JP4.
Paul's Super has JP6, up from JP4 (I think it used to have 4, at least it didn't have 6).
Non-EX Shredders allows you to juggle a medium afterwards, or a heavy if done directly in a juggle.
Juggled EX Mortar Punch adds 1 juggle point instead of 3. Non-EX juggled Mortar Punch adds 2 instead of 3.
Just like with Bone Breaker, CH Hammer Punch will allow you to combo the entire Hang Over+Demolition Man string.

Nerfherder

I couldn't find this info anywhere online. And I'm assuming most people that actively play Sf X Tk have changed their default gems so the system won't set to the new gem loadouts. The new default gems are:

Sample 1: 001, 019, 038 (Immense power / Attack)
Sample 2: 046, 050, 056 (Iron wall / Defense)
Sample 3: 205, 207, 214 (Onslaught / Cross gauge)
Sample 4: 024, 139, 245 (Pandora)
Sample 5: 001, 048, 205 (Balance)

Handy for tournaments.

flyingcloud11

IDK if this is hidden or if it was in the patch notes but Steve's Foxhunt on CH tosses the opponent into the air for more combo potential.

Doopliss

flyingcloud11, post: 7950267, member: 49404 wrote:

IDK if this is hidden or if it was in the patch notes but Steve's Foxhunt on CH tosses the opponent into the air for more combo potential.

That's in the change log.

Saitsu

Lili's Dive Kick no longer restands juggled opponents...:(

Why Capcom? Why not tell me this?! At least give me a chance to prepare my mourning period.

AhJong

Hwo's second hit of Middle Kick Combo doesn't reset on opponents that are ground bounced.

Rean

Saitsu, post: 7950584, member: 70767 wrote:

Lili's Dive Kick no longer restands juggled opponents...:(

Why Capcom? Why not tell me this?! At least give me a chance to prepare my mourning period.

Saitsu

Also, Lili's Dominating Heel ALSO does not restand. I'm not mourning that one much though...shit was hard to land with anyone not named Hwoarang.

Shin Oni

Poison's s.LP and cl.MP hit crouchers now.

KitL19

I dunno if this counts as a hidden change, but I can't for the life of me punish rolls. Even with rapid fire lights and ambiguous set ups. However I can easily throw people from rolls. I guess they thought the first change was far too powerful along with throws taking away recoverable life.

Saitsu

KitL19, post: 7950712, member: 77455 wrote:

I dunno if this counts as a hidden change, but I can't for the life of me punish rolls. Even with rapid fire lights and ambiguous set ups. However I can easily throw people from rolls. I guess they thought the first change was far too powerful along with throws taking away recoverable life.

It's been an official change. Rolls gain a hurtbox for 7 frames near the end but the opponent can block. Gains a throwbox (?) for 10 frames and they cannot tech.

Kyosuke NEO

They changed it so you can still block but you can't tech throws or reversal. I suppose they thought making them outright punishable by everything might have been a little much.

KitL19

Saitsu, post: 7950729, member: 70767 wrote:

It's been an official change. Rolls gain a hurtbox for 7 frames near the end but the opponent can block. Gains a throwbox (?) for 10 frames and they cannot tech.

Sigh I guess I misread I thought it was both of those changes. I guess it's finally time for my fraud Rolento to retire. =(

Edit: Also chun li cl.mk no longer restands. Steve's b+lk no longer restands. I think it's safe to assume that all restands the use normals/unique normals are dead. At least Nina has her restand in tact (for obvious reasons).

KumaOso

A restand forces a crouching opponent to stand, right?


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Fergus2k8

Asuka's unscaled launcher from lights is gone.

Saitsu

fatboy, post: 7950936, member: 1669 wrote:

Julia's Cr.lk is nerfed down to the ankle. Not the knee as shown in Combofeind's video. (YES!!!!)

That isn't a hidden change, that was confusion brought on by Chun's annoying hurtbox.

fatboy

Saitsu, post: 7950979, member: 70767 wrote:

That isn't a hidden change, that was confusion brought on by Chun's annoying hurtbox.

Ahh, now I know. Thx. Last post edited. :)

GenUser!

Nerfherder, post: 7950094, member: 18594 wrote:

I couldn't find this info anywhere online. And I'm assuming most people that actively play Sf X Tk have changed their default gems so the system won't set to the new gem loadouts. The new default gems are:

Sample 1: 001, 019, 038 (Immense power / Attack)
Sample 2: 046, 050, 056 (Iron wall / Defense)
Sample 3: 205, 207, 214 (Onslaught / Cross gauge)
Sample 4: 024, 139, 245 (Pandora)
Sample 5: 001, 048, 205 (Balance)

Handy for tournaments.

Damn I actually wish they would have forced this, would have been useful in the long run I could have just changed back anytime.

Hertog

Blanka's cr. mk has a bigger hitbox, so his combo's are a lot easier now

Kuma's Breaking move now moves easier towards your opponent

KitL19

I wanna believe you guys about the changes to rolls, but out of the matches I played not a damn thing was done. All of my opponents teched throws and blocked some set ups rolling all day erryday. Maybe someone is doing some placebo to make people not roll as much because as of right now not a shit was done.

Edit:OR maybe they tried to tech throws using B+lk lp with Hwaorang and Steve.

KitL19

KumaOso, post: 7950928, member: 13890 wrote:

A restand forces a crouching opponent to stand, right?


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A restand forces an bound/ground bouncing character to stand. At least in this game. But in SF4 terms with Sakura ex senpu lp resets or makoto corner ex hayate f+lk, lp shenanigans.

roknin

KitL19, post: 7950771, member: 77455 wrote:

Also chun li cl.mk no longer restands. Steve's b+lk no longer restands. I think it's safe to assume that all restands the use normals/unique normals are dead. At least Nina has her restand in tact (for obvious reasons).

Personally, with the nerf to Rolls I'm okay with this, though it does remove some style points.

guy986

Rufus' galatic tornado's chip damage has been stealth nerfed. THe HP version used to do 5/5/20 before now it "only" does 5/5/12.

Man i used to abuse that alot....

LordWilliam1234

If anyone wants/needs me to I can check stuff from version 1.06, since I'm on the PC version and we probably aren't gonna get the 2013 patch for a while.

The Lone Dragon

Shin Oni, post: 7950650, member: 4355 wrote:

Poison's s.LP and cl.MP hit crouchers now.

Apparently, this was a PS3 exclusive change. From what I understand, the Xbox versions always hit crouchers.

Fivz

Can someone run through some ibuki combos? want to know if there are any changes to EX kazagiri, her AC, and st.lp off TG4.

LordWilliam1234

Fivz, post: 7951868, member: 69302 wrote:

Can someone run through some ibuki combos? want to know if there are any changes to EX kazagiri, her AC, and st.lp off TG4.

To continue on this, we have a cross assault combo between Ibuki and Ryu. We do any such combo into cross assault, Ibuki does Raida, Ryu does HP DP, Ibuki does Raida, etc. We loop this until cross assault runs out when one of us does super. This appears to work because Raida seems to reset the juggle points, and Ryu's HP DP doesn't use up all the juggle points like most of the other DPs in the game (like Cammy's or Ken's). Does this still work in version 2013?

JetpackJesus808

I posted this in the general thread, but this is the better place to put it. Bryan's M and H Right Upper still technically hits airborne opponents, it just doesn't do so until the end of the swinging arc, when the Fisherman's Slam followup can't be executed anymore. So you can do M Right Upper -> Gatling Combination xx Mach Breaker against aerial opponents, but you have to do it kinda early or it will whiff right through the opponent.

alexlkd

Fivz, post: 7951868, member: 69302 wrote:

Can someone run through some ibuki combos? want to know if there are any changes to EX kazagiri, her AC, and st.lp off TG4.

There are no changes but the nerfs.

Doopliss

At least Law's LP, b.MP, MP, LP restand is still intact. I assume all the bug hits where they'd reset randomly, like Juri MK pinwheel, Sagat Knee (I can confirm this one's gone) and Jin EX MLD, were the ones that were fixed.

Shin Oni

The Lone Dragon, post: 7951860, member: 4398 wrote:

Apparently, this was a PS3 exclusive change. From what I understand, the Xbox versions always hit crouchers.

oh wow. I never noticed the difference even though i'm always on 360 at home but out it's PS3.
....thanks capcom.

KumaOso

Was Xiaoyu's SA nerfed to 270 from 310 before the patch?


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SimSimIV

Not actually a nerf, but in the patch notes, it said that Jack was going to be able to canel in to special moves from st.lk. This is not implemented.

Wantonx

He was supposedly getting a new wall bounce but I've yet to find it.

SimSimIV

Wantonx, post: 7953504, member: 4506 wrote:

He was supposedly getting a new wall bounce but I've yet to find it.

mk->mp->mp (charged to full).

Wantonx

That's what I thought. didn't charge it

ilitirit

So what's the official word on the roll changes? Some people are saying they're only throw-punishable. I'm pretty sure I saw them get punished with attacks as well, but it could also just be that the player wasn't blocking?

Offen

You can only block after rolling, not attack or tech throws. So if you get caught rolling you get thrown for free. That also mean you can get caught with a high/low mixup as you can't do anything but block. I don't know the frame data tho.

Shooting Star Rockman

What is that "Player System" field located on the ranked match search menu? I saw it on Maximilian's replay. What does it do?

LordWilliam1234

Shooting Star Rockman, post: 7953924, member: 77226 wrote:

What is that "Player System" field located on the ranked match search menu? I saw it on Maximilian's replay. What does it do?

That's a PS3 exclusive thing. You can filter between PS3 and vita users.

Kinda like being able to filter out touch screen users and non-touch screen users on the 3DS version of SSF4.

Intuitive2011

EWGF has been nerfed for sure. I timed it against a Rufus without meter and his Galactic Tornado traded with it. Damn Capcom, why did you nerf it so hard?

LordWilliam1234

Intuitive2011, post: 7954148, member: 66101 wrote:

EWGF has been nerfed for sure. I timed it against a Rufus without meter and his Galactic Tornado traded with it. Damn Capcom, why did you nerf it so hard?

Well, at least I no longer have to worry about EWGF making my Alpha Counters whiff entirely.

farplaner

GenUser!, post: 7951207, member: 22733 wrote:

Damn I actually wish they would have forced this, would have been useful in the long run I could have just changed back anytime.

Is there any way to reset the preset gems to the default? Other than trying to delete the save file I don't see any way to do this...

AlphaZero

I don't play Asuka, but I was able to punish my buddy's target combo strings on block with cr.jab. Standing still had to alpha counter to get him off me, but one of her TCs seems to be changed......

Genistar

AlphaZero, post: 7954846, member: 83062 wrote:

I don't play Asuka, but I was able to punish my buddy's target combo strings on block with cr.jab. Standing still had to alpha counter to get him off me, but one of her TCs seems to be changed......

some of her strings were punishable in 2012.

Hawkingbird

King's EX Konvict Kick doesn't have the frame advantage it use to have. I got reversal a few times trying to frame trap

m16ghost

Bison's close mp cancels into hk scissors now. It appears they lengthened the hitstun on the normal for whatever reason.

SUPARNOVAX

ilitirit, post: 7953876, member: 12740 wrote:

So what's the official word on the roll changes? Some people are saying they're only throw-punishable. I'm pretty sure I saw them get punished with attacks as well, but it could also just be that the player wasn't blocking?

Offen, post: 7953913, member: 73592 wrote:

You can only block after rolling, not attack or tech throws. So if you get caught rolling you get thrown for free. That also mean you can get caught with a high/low mixup as you can't do anything but block. I don't know the frame data tho.

Yeah and there's supposedly no input window so you can't mash for a few frames during the recovery.

w00denTEETH

SUPARNOVAX, post: 7955782, member: 2393 wrote:

Yeah and there's supposedly no input window so you can't mash for a few frames during the recovery.

...I definitely noticed it because Akuma can no longer roll and mash a teleport during the recovery.