Pot bonuses are good for getting top players hungry about the game and get more attention, so bigger is always better. We also might think about using part of the proceeds of a donation drive for exclusive giveaways for participants (buttons, shirts, key chains, or something) to induce people on the fence to enter and swell the numbers which would in turn increase the pot.
This got me thinking. Pot bonuses are really only a way of drawing top (or middling but very competitive) players that might not otherwise attend. But Skullgirls isn't trying to attract international superstars to their tournament right now - instead we just want more players in the tournament to begin with. (EDIT: That's not to say that the tournament is struggling to get a viable number of players, just that the goal is different)
So why not have a separate small prize (say $50-$100) for the top-placing new player (i.e. hasn't entered any previous tournament offering the new-player prize). If a new Skullgirls player is considering entering a tournament, they won't be expecting to wipe Mike Z and co. off of the top spot, so it doesn't matter to them if the first prize is ten dollars or ten million. But if the new player only has to do better than the other new players then they might want to give it a shot, especially if they're already good at a different game and want to try SG out.
It'd take a bit of organizing to get it started, but I think it could work.
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Congrats for getting it to EVO after all. Too bad it will all happen around the other side of the world for me. :P But I'm surely gonna watch the whole stream. A thing I didn't do before.
Mike Z and Sanchez would make a good commentating team. Ultradavid also knows a healthy dose of Skullgirls... uhhhhhhhh McPeanuts can commentate, I can be a "color" commentator but I'ma be too busy in top 8 soooo... Kiss me.
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@0sh - it's not a bad idea, but how do you figure out what constitutes a "new player"?
I gather he means that you designate each tournament from now on as having the New Player prize. Any player who enters one of those tournaments, even if they don't win the prize, is ineligible to win the prize at any following New Player tournaments.
It'd mean keeping a rather extensive list of previous tournaments, but wouldn't actually be too difficult to organize with some planning.
The first couple of tournaments would likely see the prize go to some 'veterans', but would very rapidly thin out to only new faces.
@0sh - it's not a bad idea, but how do you figure out what constitutes a "new player"?
Basically what Cellsai explained, you just keep a list of previous entrants for the prize and they are not eligible for future prizes (EDIT: I added Cellsai's explanation to a spoiler at the bottom of this post so you don't have to go hunting for it). The problem of people just changing their name is a real one, and tbh I have no definite solution. The two options that immediately occur to me are:
1. Just work on an honor system for the most part. You still keep track of everyone's alias, but you don't rigorously check that people nominating themselves as new players are telling the truth beyond this. You could still check the IDs for the prize winner and/or the top 5 or so new players and keep a record of their names so that at least the major contenders can't lie. This isn't foolproof and money makes people do crazy things, but I don't see us having too much of a problem simply because the prize won't be that big and most of the better players that actually have the chance are going to want the prestige of getting their real alias up there anyway. If we find that a lot of people are trying to cheat the system, then you could look at other options when that happens.
2. Just ID check all new entrants and keep track of their names instead of just their aliases. This might be impractical simply due to the extra time it would take, though after the first few majors it probably wouldn't take that much longer each time.
Also the first tournament or two would rely on people who are experienced players not nominating themselves as new players simply because the prize isn't really there for them, but over time that becomes a non-issue.
I gather he means that you designate each tournament from now on as having the New Player prize. Any player who enters one of those tournaments, even if they don't win the prize, is ineligible to win the prize at any following New Player tournaments.
It'd mean keeping a rather extensive list of previous tournaments, but wouldn't actually be too difficult to organize with some planning.
The first couple of tournaments would likely see the prize go to some 'veterans', but would very rapidly thin out to only new faces.
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On the more serious note I'd like to see Mike on the mic since he's actually knows what's going on and will be able to explain it to everybody. He probably will be too busy though...
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The hardest part about this was knowing about it all weekend and not being able to say anything. I've just been talking to TOs trying to get the game on the bill, and hearing "I'm just not hearing anything about the game" and thinking "oh, you just don't know...... you. just. don't know."
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This is great news. I wasn't even planning on attending Evo this year, but I'm going to have to now. I wouldn't miss Skullgirls at Evo. Gonna start training now, I'm super out of practice.
Mike Z and Sanchez would make a good commentating team. Ultradavid also knows a healthy dose of Skullgirls... uhhhhhhhh McPeanuts can commentate, I can be a "color" commentator but I'ma be too busy in top 8 soooo... Kiss me.
I'd love to do the commentary for top 8. And you don't have to worry about me being in top 8 because I'm assssssssssss.
Instead of a bunch of people randomly asking if they can commentate.. How about a fight... Er contest?
Those people that want to be considered for commentating sg make a vid of them commentating a video... It isnt a perfect plan cause people can write out their stuff in advance... But for the most part i think we will be able to see the fakes for who they are and those that are actually good commentators... But may not be known in the community get a fair shot...
And last but not least, it could be a poll vote so it would be the communities choice... Win win for sg.
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Instead of new players, just do an Amateur bracket and DQ top placing players.
That'll encourage low/mid level players to enter.
This reminds me of something Mass used to do for Soulcalibur. At every local they ran a $1 newbie tournament. You were only allowed to enter the newbie tournament if you've never won it before. I thought that was a neat idea.
We probably can't really do that for Evo, because there's a lot of people who haven't won Evo. But maybe we could do something like that for Skullbats.
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Just get someone who is not clueless about the game to commentate and its all good
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Cool cat yes. Still honestly, he's a mediocre commentator. What saves him is his general knowledge of fighting games. He's an excellent commentator for Street Fighter. But for other games like Marvel (f*ck I hate when he commentates for Marvel) and Skullgirls he tends to repeat and summarize rather than analyze gameplay.
You can't just "choose" commentators 6 months before the tournament even happens, lol. For all we know some Chicago guy at UFGT will get on the mic and blow everyone out of the water or something. Just let it all play out.
So by the looks of it, you need a pass to come to evo at all? Looks like I'm going to have to let my friends know about this since they want to attend evo as well.
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Hi, i'm gonna be traveling from argentina (most probably once in my lifetime) and would give anything to play at this side-event, what do i need to do?
So by the looks of it, you need a pass to come to evo at all? Looks like I'm going to have to let my friends know about this since they want to attend evo as well.
A looooooot of people go to EVO every year. Selling passes is the only way to maintain any sense of order.
A looooooot of people go to EVO every year. Selling passes is the only way to maintain any sense of control.
Well I remember the only time they did this was in 2012 (They didn't do it in 2011). But I do understand that this could be a way to not only make money, but also try to keep the control to a certain level (Hopefully they do it better then last year, I heard the passes didn't do crap on the final day and people walked in anyways XD)
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Well speak of the Devil, one of those situations where having a SG dedicated central hub would be beneficial http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/to-forum-or-not-to-forum.175435/
Apparently some of us are gonna take this SRK shutdown as an opportunity to experiment this idea
Assume its gonna be "Skullheart.com"
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Server change cus the current one sucks
SRK will be down for a week or summin
Ill probably just hang in the IIRC and chat with yall till we get our own
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really, its made already? Did you use one of the free forum hosts or is this a paid site which can be expanded upon?
SSF4AEv.2012: Akuma, Sakura, and others (only a bit)/3s: Akuma, Chun-Li, Q UMvC3: Ryu, Sentinel, Vergil (some others too) TTT2: Jun, Asuka, Alisa (only a bit)/SFxT: Xiaoyu/Akuma for now/KoF13: Kula, Mature, King Skullgirls: TBD if Xbox ever gets the patch but right now, Filia, Ms. Fortune, Painwheel
I can be a "color" commentator but I'ma be too busy in top 8 soooo... Kiss me.
I forget where it was exactly, but I remember you commentating. "Oh jeez Peacock, HP Bang into Argus Agony, haven't seen this before! What a complete surprise!"
really, its made already? Did you use one of the free forum hosts or is this a paid site which can be expanded upon?
Read this for more info. The short answer is yes something was made, but its temporary because we took advantage of experimenting this while SRK shuts-down. This layout is easy since it can be migrated fairly easy to something nicer in the near future. For now, this was last minute stuff to create a basic forum in response to SRK shutting down
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It's a paid site, but I've only pair for a month of hosting because I'm poor, lol.
well if this goes well, we can upgrade to a nicer one and have a donation link for support
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2. Just ID check all new entrants and keep track of their names instead of just their aliases. This might be impractical simply due to the extra time it would take, though after the first few majors it probably wouldn't take that much longer each time.
Also the first tournament or two would rely on people who are experienced players not nominating themselves as new players simply because the prize isn't really there for them, but over time that becomes a non-issue.
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And last but not least, it could be a poll vote so it would be the communities choice... Win win for sg.
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