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  • flickyflicky Joined: Posts: 410
    That's just odd, I could never get used to NRS games.
  • ZioSerpeZioSerpe Pecking order Joined: Posts: 519
    edited June 19
    Need the SRK community help, I'm trying to find an old fighting game I used to find in arcades when I was a kid.
    I'm quite fure it was NEO GEO/SNK stuff it had anime graphics, characters had weapons, the 2 character I remember are what was probably the lead, kid like character, with big katana, dress was a red jacket of sort, black hair I'd say, another char was a stupid looking ninja kid with headband and could summon a big frog, also I seem to remember scrolls dropped during the match to give you... maybe super bar?

    Edit: if it wasn't clear all characters are Japanese culture tropes, samurais,ninjas, foxes pretty sure a kabuki person (actor, singer?) was in there too
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  • ottomaticottomatic a totally real person who really exists, really Joined: Posts: 260
    ZioSerpe wrote: »
    Need the SRK community help, I'm trying to find an old fighting game I used to find in arcades when I was a kid.
    I'm quite fure it was NEO GEO/SNK stuff it had anime graphics, characters had weapons, the 2 character I remember are what was probably the lead, kid like character, with big katana, dress was a red jacket of sort, black hair I'd say, another char was a stupid looking ninja kid with headband and could summon a big frog, also I seem to remember scrolls dropped during the match to give you... maybe super bar?

    Edit: if it wasn't clear all characters are Japanese culture tropes, samurais,ninjas, foxes pretty sure a kabuki person (actor, singer?) was in there too

    Sounds like you're talking about Far east of Eden : Kabuki Klash. Not quite a traditional super meter as the magic meter fills up automatically and it's speed is determined by the spell used. I don't recall scrolls, but that is something I could see happening in that game. If that isn't it, I'm not certain what game you're looking for and I wish you good luck.
  • ZioSerpeZioSerpe Pecking order Joined: Posts: 519
    ottomatic wrote: »
    ZioSerpe wrote: »
    Need the SRK community help, I'm trying to find an old fighting game I used to find in arcades when I was a kid.
    I'm quite fure it was NEO GEO/SNK stuff it had anime graphics, characters had weapons, the 2 character I remember are what was probably the lead, kid like character, with big katana, dress was a red jacket of sort, black hair I'd say, another char was a stupid looking ninja kid with headband and could summon a big frog, also I seem to remember scrolls dropped during the match to give you... maybe super bar?

    Edit: if it wasn't clear all characters are Japanese culture tropes, samurais,ninjas, foxes pretty sure a kabuki person (actor, singer?) was in there too

    Sounds like you're talking about Far east of Eden : Kabuki Klash. Not quite a traditional super meter as the magic meter fills up automatically and it's speed is determined by the spell used. I don't recall scrolls, but that is something I could see happening in that game. If that isn't it, I'm not certain what game you're looking for and I wish you good luck.

    That's exactly it... how did I ever forget a name like Manjimaru is beyond me
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  • SuicidalGrandpaSuicidalGrandpa Undeniably Free in 3S Joined: Posts: 3,453
    d3v wrote: »
    We set up a PS2 for our Friday night weeklies and got some good games in of EX2, 3rd Strike,Alpha 2, SvC Chaos, and even CFJ.

    Damn, what I woudn't give to have a local scene that played 3s.
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  • freecomfreecom Joined: Posts: 95
    edited July 7
    So, after making myself look fucking stupid on this forum after years of being away from it, I've decided maybe that discussion isn't pertinent enough for a new thread.

    I've gotten some flak over the past couple of weeks on various forums and comment threads for willing to buy MvC Infinite over Dragonball Fighter Z simply because the chances of either getting a re-release are "something not actually approaching 100% for once" (especially given the Fight Money system and seasonal format in SFV) for the former, and "almost definitely 100% if Bandai Namco does not give a fuck" for the latter (considering Guilty Gear and BlazBlue's track records). That's not even getting into how asinine both companies are, especially considering the existence of Killer Instinct and Dead or Alive 5: Last Round's free-to-play models. Why would I want to continue buying fighting games if I can buy one character in either KI or DoA5 for $5 or $4, respectively (if even that - I could buy nothing and still play) and still get a fairly decent fighting game experience?

    Naturally, this being the internet, people gave me criticism for thinking about my money's worth instead of "thinking" with someone else's hype.

    Just wanted to know what your guys' thoughts are on fighting games' business models today. (Hopefully there's discussion more in-depth than "go fuck yourself", but I'm not holding my breath.)
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 22,637
    edited July 8
    Expecting every game to be free to play model is idiotic. The reason why DOA can afford to do it is because they get their money back from all the dlc costumes for the girls (and sometimes the males).
    And KI has microtransactions all over the place. In none of those game you can get the chars without paying money btw and only on KI you can only get the cosmetic stuff by playing, If you want a costume on DOA you have to pay.

    Besides, MvCI wouldn't have FM, they are banking on the marvel brand name to push the innumerable DLC's that they already said they are planning to release and are already working on it.
    The only reason why SFV had it was because then expected to sell well, and that the dlc will carry them like it does for games like DoA and Overwatch.
    But since the poor general reception and mostly unnapealing costumes without mention the lack of content in general, well, No wonder they abandoned that for MvCI

    Also, What track record are you talking about, every GG and BB got a revision between 1.5 to 2 years each. Or is because it bothers you that they announced a game for arcades despite you wouldn't see it until a year later?
    I'll admit that kind of sucks, but ASW is an arcade developer 1st, since there is a ood part of their bulk sales, fortunately they are changing that seeing Rev2.

    Ill be honest with you, If it really bothers you that fgs get updates and revisions then probably they are not for you.
    You will have to pay for them in one way or another. Games cost money to make, game companies are not charity, they are in the bussiness to make their money back.

    But hey if you want to buy the shittiest game possible for dumb reasons be my guest.

    EDIT

    BTW, i am not against of DLC's, i expect DBFZ to have dlc chars since is obvious that they wouldn't be able to put every fan favorite on it from the get go.
    The diference imo is thow capcom has managed the whole thing, revealing the dlc chars before the game ever released and before revealing the base roster.
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  • freecomfreecom Joined: Posts: 95
    yeah, i get that re-releases are still a thing because they're mostly based off of Japanese arcade cabinets and such. doesn't mean that i can't like the idea.

    the Fight Money system in SFV just goes to show that Capcom maybe, just maybe, can change even a little bit. as you said, the fact that MvCI already has day negative 60-ish DLC sours that expectation, and i'm probably going to wait and buy it used anyway because Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 was a thing - can't rule out the possibility of them continuing on their old ways. but at least the chances of a possible re-release aren't 100% - can't say the same for the Guilty Gear Xrd series.

    anyway, the thread above blew up between my last post and this one (and nobody seems to have moved it yet), so i'd rather not clutter up this thread any more, it'd be redundant.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 22,637
    The only reason why Ulimate exists is because by that time, capcom have the licence for the Marvel characters for a short time.
    By that time, when Marvel handled the licencing for the chars to a company, only that company had the rights to make games for them.
    MvC3 was mde during a time window where every company that had their licences expired (sony, activision, etc).
    Unlike the 90s, Marvel brand had become expensive, so Capcom could only have access to them during that time frame.

    It is why they rushed to release the revision only 8 months after the release of the 1st game, and why the game got orphaned by capcom very quickly (no updates, no dlc, etc)

    Current bussines model for marvel games have changed, now that the MVCU is so big, they have enough power to still retain the licence themselves and be able to negotiate with multiple companies.
    It is why you see that there are many marvel games coming from different companies that have the same chars on them.

    So a UMvC3 is less likely.
    Today their focus is more torwards DLC, since is more profitable for any game company to release a game and maintain it alive via dlcs rather than releasing new games.

    The thing that we have yet to see is if MvCI will live long enough to keep support from capcom/marvel.
    The bad press that it has gotten is really big. It didn't help that DBFZ was announced and by being at 20% of completition already outclasses it.
    To the point that the game hasn't been released and it already got a price drop, since the majority of people cancelled their preorders.

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    I am telling you.
    If a game is healthy you should expect that it will have an active stream of additional content made for it, and is very likely that you will have to pay for it.
    And is obvious that both games will have DLC chars and other stuff. So if it really bothers you you will be on the same boat regardles what game you get.
    Although with DBFZ is obvious that you will get a good product from the start, and is more likely that it will be handled better.
    Just look at how poorly capcom has handled SFV, and how poorly are they managing their pr for mvci.

    On a time where the Marvel characters are so popular and that the game is receiving this kind of negativity surely shows you the things that you are signing for when buying the game.
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  • freecomfreecom Joined: Posts: 95
    i've already said what i had to say in the other thread, and it's pretty clear both sides of the argument are just going to be at a standstill, so i'm just going to leave you with a Steam post i found in the process of trying to defend myself elsewhere. it sums up my point better than i can.
    You really don't see the difference between paying $30 for a yearly season pass (Which you don't even have to pay in order to stay in the relevant version of the game to begin with) and paying $60 for a new build of a game (Which you NEED to do in order to stay in the relevant version of a game)?

    i'm out. in hindsight, it was a fucking stupid idea to try and talk about this on a forum that would be biased in favor of Capcom Sequel Stagnation.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 22,637
    Bye Felicia
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  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 22,637
    Also, that shit of css is a lot o bullcrap.
    Is idiotic to think that a developer has to scrap everything when they can simply update and upgrade the game and more importantly, that happened because by that time, patching and internet were not a thing.
    More companies are taking advantage of those now.
    But now the problem is idiots like you that want everything for free or really cheap because dumb reasons.
    You simply don't want to pay to stay on the relevant game, while also expecting the companies to put new content.
    Is is simply stupid.
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  • CronopioCronopio ST Joined: Posts: 2,073
    DLC is only shitty when they force you top pay for necessary things that should already be there when you pay for the game. DLC that expands the game with new content created after release is good and a better alternative to paying full price for an update as in the past.
  • freecomfreecom Joined: Posts: 95
    Hecatom wrote: »
    Also, that shit of css is a lot o bullcrap.
    Is idiotic to think that a developer has to scrap everything when they can simply update and upgrade the game and more importantly, that happened because by that time, patching and internet were not a thing.
    More companies are taking advantage of those now.

    agreed on this. re-releases were acceptable back then because that was literally the only choice developers had back then, and patching was inconceivable until maybe around the time of the original Xbox's lifespan.

    Hecatom wrote: »
    But now the problem is idiots like you that want everything for free or really cheap because dumb reasons.
    You simply don't want to pay to stay on the relevant game, while also expecting the companies to put new content.
    Is is simply stupid.

    sorry man, that's just how it is with me. i'd rather not spend money on a game knowing full well that the publisher is going to want to fuck me in the ass later with another slightly different installment that'll render what i bought obsolete. same reason why i avoid shit like Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, and every sports game ever.

    if i ever do end up getting a retail fighting game in the near future, it's probably going to be Tekken 7 (or hold onto hope that Bamco gets their head out of their ass and not end Soul Calibur on a fucking pachinko cabinet), because at least i don't have to go in expecting Super Ultra Hyper Tekken 7 EX Plus Alpha and everything that comes before it as a mandatory purchase. until then, i'll enjoy what i've got with KI and DoA5.
  • Yuri_AcTNYuri_AcTN Fighting Game Enthusiast Joined: Posts: 1,114
    edited July 12

    Have you guys tried out this Kemono Friends fighting game yet? It's pretty interesting, especially when it comes to combos.
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  • JamesLeeJamesJamesLeeJames Joined: Posts: 9
    I have Fighting Games on my Phone and several controllers, Although I am not the best by a long shot I will have a good time regardless if I win or lose.

    Some of these game series installed on emulators are "NEO-GEO Fighting Game Libary," "Capcom Versus Series," "Street Fighter Series," "Darkstalkers Series" and more. But if I try the Japanese versions of the games then I can't play them in public because of The following Screen Attached at the end of this post. Will I get in trouble for playing the Japanese versions outside of Japan?

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  • freecomfreecom Joined: Posts: 95
    @JamesLeeJames well, when you post screenshots like that...

    all joking aside, that looks like an old game. as someone who used to play beatmania arcade rips on my computer, there's not really anything they can do unless the arcade game's got DRM on it. (in beatmania's case, all the latest installments have mandatory eAmuse logins, or else they don't even start.)
  • Grand_Sage_MosesGrand_Sage_Moses Joined: Posts: 169
    Did they announce a DLC release date for Eliza?
  • GenUser!GenUser! Joined: Posts: 2,952
    freecom wrote: »
    yeah, i get that re-releases are still a thing because they're mostly based off of Japanese arcade cabinets and such. doesn't mean that i can't like the idea.

    the Fight Money system in SFV just goes to show that Capcom maybe, just maybe, can change even a little bit. as you said, the fact that MvCI already has day negative 60-ish DLC sours that expectation, and i'm probably going to wait and buy it used anyway because Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 was a thing - can't rule out the possibility of them continuing on their old ways. but at least the chances of a possible re-release aren't 100% - can't say the same for the Guilty Gear Xrd series.

    anyway, the thread above blew up between my last post and this one (and nobody seems to have moved it yet), so i'd rather not clutter up this thread any more, it'd be redundant.

    Imo the fight money system is a sham disguised as good will , keep that mobile game style grinding bs away from this game.
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