SRK Lounge: for general fighting game discussions that arent thread worthy

Sexperienced. · February 17

I want to know why KOF 98 is so popular? i've only realised this whilst looking around GGPO. The KOF98 rooms seem to be packed at all times.. so someone explain to an ST player why 98 is so good.

jedpossum · February 17

KoF 98 is a good game.

krazykone123 · February 19

fisticuffs games

Sexperienced. · February 19

jedpossum said:

KoF 98 is a good game.

i know. i'm not trying to start a sf vs kof discussion, i'll even agree that kof98 may possibly be better than ST based on its popularity. I just want to know how the objective of the game differs to ST... like landing crossovers to win a match, etc..

Hecatom · February 19

For starters you have more mobility options in the form of the different type of jumps, that alone changes how those games are played.

OneSanitarium · February 19

I grabbed two bursts in a row in GG. People online are afraid of Slayers j.H CH. Hell, any Slayer CH makes people burst. I just knew he was going to burst. On the same move. Both matches.

It was a great connection for me but he said it was unplayable. :(

Spoiler:

Unplayable because he lost his soul.

Sexperienced. · February 19

Hecatom said:

For starters you have more mobility options in the form of the different type of jumps, that alone changes how those games are played.

interesting, how much does the jump height effect how KOF98 plays in comparison to ST?

bkfst_sausage · February 19

World Heroes Perfect was better than any version of Street Fighter 2 until Super Turbo came out.

d3v · February 20

bkfst_sausage said:

World Heroes Perfect was better than any version of Street Fighter 2 until Super Turbo came out.

WHP is the game Team NINJA secretly wants to make with DOA... except with more titties.

AirLancer · February 20

Sexperienced. said:interesting, how much does the jump height effect how KOF98 plays in comparison to ST?

Well, how much more effective would most SF characters' offenses be if their jumps were twice as fast?

That's how.

OneSanitarium · February 20

I wish GGXXAC+ had replays. So hard do I wish this.

the7k · February 20

Sexperienced. wrote: »

Hecatom said: 
For starters you have more mobility options in the form of the different type of jumps, that alone changes how those games are played. 
 
 
interesting, how much does the jump height effect how KOF98 plays in comparison to ST?

I remember an old youtube vid of a Japanese match between a Cammy vs O.Sagat, where the Sagat basically forced Cammy to jump straight up over and over to avoid getting hit by either the Tiger Shot or the Tiger Uppercut should she try to advance. I'd imagine this match would have been completely different if she had access to a Super Jump, Short Hop, Super Hop and Evasive Roll.

d3v · February 20

What exactly are "simultaneous button cancels" in the Genesis/MegaDrive version of HF (Special Champion Ed)?

Sexperienced. · February 23

AirLancer said:

Sexperienced. said:interesting, how much does the jump height effect how KOF98 plays in comparison to ST?

Well, how much more effective would most SF characters' offenses be if their jumps were twice as fast?

That's how.

despite having more mobility options kof' seems to be a lot slower and less precise than sf.

Sexperienced. · February 23

AirLancer said:

Sexperienced. said:interesting, how much does the jump height effect how KOF98 plays in comparison to ST?

Well, how much more effective would most SF characters' offenses be if their jumps were twice as fast?

That's how.

kof characters seem a lot slower than SF characters.

the7k said:

Sexperienced. wrote: »

Hecatom said: 
For starters you have more mobility options in the form of the different type of jumps, that alone changes how those games are played. 
 
 
interesting, how much does the jump height effect how KOF98 plays in comparison to ST?

I remember an old youtube vid of a Japanese match between a Cammy vs O.Sagat, where the Sagat basically forced Cammy to jump straight up over and over to avoid getting hit by either the Tiger Shot or the Tiger Uppercut should she try to advance. I'd imagine this match would have been completely different if she had access to a Super Jump, Short Hop, Super Hop and Evasive Roll.

maybe so but i've noticed that the more mobility options a fighting game has the slower they characters are. is it possible to have sf style precision spacing in kof?

Sexperienced. · February 23

AirLancer said:

Sexperienced. said:interesting, how much does the jump height effect how KOF98 plays in comparison to ST?

Well, how much more effective would most SF characters' offenses be if their jumps were twice as fast?

That's how.

kof characters seem a lot slower than SF characters.

the7k said:

Sexperienced. wrote: »

Hecatom said: 
For starters you have more mobility options in the form of the different type of jumps, that alone changes how those games are played. 
 
 
interesting, how much does the jump height effect how KOF98 plays in comparison to ST?

I remember an old youtube vid of a Japanese match between a Cammy vs O.Sagat, where the Sagat basically forced Cammy to jump straight up over and over to avoid getting hit by either the Tiger Shot or the Tiger Uppercut should she try to advance. I'd imagine this match would have been completely different if she had access to a Super Jump, Short Hop, Super Hop and Evasive Roll.

maybe so but i've noticed that the more mobility options a fighting game has the slower they characters are. is it possible to have sf style precision spacing in kof?

the7k · February 23

Sexperienced. wrote: »

kof characters seem a lot slower than SF characters. 

maybe so but i've noticed that the more mobility options a fighting game has the slower they characters are. is it possible to have sf style precision spacing in kof?

I'm not an expert, especially on older KOFs (First KOF I played seriously was KOFXI on Atomiswave - while I enjoyed the older KOFs, I never had any real local competition with them or decent internet growing up), but I feel that even if the characters are technically slower, the game feels faster because of all the mobility options.

By spacing, do you mean zoning? Or do you mean using pokes to keep enemies at bay? Either way, KOF definitely has both. In most KOFs, I play characters with very far-reaching, meaty pokes (Clark's St.D in KOFXIII is one of my favorite attacks of all time) to control the pace of the match. As for zoning, it exists, though not quite in the same form as SF. All the mobility options means it won't be as effective, but it is still very effective.

NickRocks · February 25

so how did you guys do at your first ever tourney? I'm going to FR and just wondering how to combat the inevitable nerves

HD-Man · February 25

My bad wrong topic. Disregard this post

Sexperienced. · February 25

the7k said:

By spacing, do you mean zoning? Or do you mean using pokes to keep enemies at bay? Either way, KOF definitely has both. In most KOFs, I play characters with very far-reaching, meaty pokes (Clark's St.D in KOFXIII is one of my favorite attacks of all time) to control the pace of the match. As for zoning, it exists, though not quite in the same form as SF. All the mobility options means it won't be as effective, but it is still very effective.

my definition of spacing is simply holding or tapping back to evade attacks and moving forward to counter said attack, this is more noticeable in a game like alpha2 because of proximity blocking, not so much ST... i'm currently looking for an example to show you...

Sexperienced. · February 25

HD-Man said:

My bad wrong topic. Disregard this post

there is no specific topic of discussion.

phoenixnl · February 25

Sexperienced. said:

the7k said:

By spacing, do you mean zoning? Or do you mean using pokes to keep enemies at bay? Either way, KOF definitely has both. In most KOFs, I play characters with very far-reaching, meaty pokes (Clark's St.D in KOFXIII is one of my favorite attacks of all time) to control the pace of the match. As for zoning, it exists, though not quite in the same form as SF. All the mobility options means it won't be as effective, but it is still very effective.

my definition of spacing is simply holding or tapping back to evade attacks and moving forward to counter said attack, this is more noticeable in a game like alpha2 because of proximity blocking, not so much ST... i'm currently looking for an example to show you...

Walkspeeds in KOF are very high compared to modern fighting games. So yes, there's quite a lot fo that. But usually you choose more proactive forms of evading attacks and counterattacks.

For example you can stand in a position that your opponent might try to sweep you, and then you hop. If he sweeps you land with a jump attack right on top of him and get a full combo.

Due to hops, the 'height' of an attack becomes a lot more relevant. like, a st.HP of chun-li has a significantly different effect from a cr.MK of ryu for example. Even though the ranges are roughly equivalent. cr.MK is more liable to being hopped over, while st.HP may be crouched under etc.

Sexperienced. · February 26

the7k said:

Sexperienced. wrote: »

kof characters seem a lot slower than SF characters. 

maybe so but i've noticed that the more mobility options a fighting game has the slower they characters are. is it possible to have sf style precision spacing in kof?

I'm not an expert, especially on older KOFs (First KOF I played seriously was KOFXI on Atomiswave - while I enjoyed the older KOFs, I never had any real local competition with them or decent internet growing up), but I feel that even if the characters are technically slower, the game feels faster because of all the mobility options.

By spacing, do you mean zoning? Or do you mean using pokes to keep enemies at bay? Either way, KOF definitely has both. In most KOFs, I play characters with very far-reaching, meaty pokes (Clark's St.D in KOFXIII is one of my favorite attacks of all time) to control the pace of the match. As for zoning, it exists, though not quite in the same form as SF. All the mobility options means it won't be as effective, but it is still very effective.

here's an example of spacing, it starts at 33secs to the end of the video.

Sexperienced. · February 26

delete

krazykone123 · February 28

Messing around with Cammy in CVS2 right now, anyone have some tips for Roll Canceling?

rukawa_kaede · March 1

Double post

rukawa_kaede · March 1

looks like you need some tutorials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r75Lz1Drp8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF5yg2QH_Lw

Sexperienced. said:

phoenixnl said:

Sexperienced. said:

the7k said:

By spacing, do you mean zoning? Or do you mean using pokes to keep enemies at bay? Either way, KOF definitely has both. In most KOFs, I play characters with very far-reaching, meaty pokes (Clark's St.D in KOFXIII is one of my favorite attacks of all time) to control the pace of the match. As for zoning, it exists, though not quite in the same form as SF. All the mobility options means it won't be as effective, but it is still very effective.

my definition of spacing is simply holding or tapping back to evade attacks and moving forward to counter said attack, this is more noticeable in a game like alpha2 because of proximity blocking, not so much ST... i'm currently looking for an example to show you...

Walkspeeds in KOF are very high compared to modern fighting games. So yes, there's quite a lot fo that. But usually you choose more proactive forms of evading attacks and counterattacks.

i didnt even know you could walk in kof. in all the match vids i've seen the characters either jump or run or sometimes roll.

ilitirit · March 12

Can anyone recommend some lesser-known fast-paced games like MvC2 and VS? I know Jojo's can get a bit crazy but other than that I don't have lots of experience with fast-paced titles.

d3v · March 12

ilitirit wrote: »

Can anyone recommend some lesser-known fast-paced games like MvC2 and VS? I know Jojo's can get a bit crazy but other than that I don't have lots of experience with fast-paced titles.

Skullgirls as long as you aren't playing with/against Fortune.

tataki · March 13

2013/2/20 High level Karnov's Revenge

ilitirit · April 6

Which FGs have top tier grapplers?

Hecatom · April 6

Anyone knows if the FR XVI videos would be uploaded to youtube?

tataki · April 6

ilitirit wrote: »

Which FGs have top tier grapplers?

SFA3, KOF98, AH1.

Negative-Zer0 · April 6

DavDz · April 6

So there was a fighting game double pack that contained both SoulCalibur IV and Tekken 6 in the package. I was wondering that if you buy Soulcalibur IV from this double pack, does the game contain all of the DLC [Specifically the DLC Star Wars characters such as Yoda for the PS3 version or Darth Vader for the Xbox 360 version] available at the start, or do you still have to pay to unlock a Star Wars character?

If you still have to pay for it, that's kinda lame and would kind of defeat the purpose of buying it

d3v · April 7

Posted by someone on my G+.

If the next XBox really does require you to be always online, you all know what console I'm not getting for next gen.

Hecatom · April 7

I don't even need that to not buy the nextbox.

d3v · April 9

Welp, IPL's dead. I guess we're not eSports anymore.

d3v · April 11

Fuckin' A! If you want us to share your damn video on the front page, don't fucking set it to private.

/rant

krazykone123 · April 16

Why do Capcom fans allow front runner games like UMvC3/SSFIVAE/SFxTK pass with such shitty netcode?

It's 2013 and the majority of my wired connections (3/4 bars) in UMVC3 are horrendous compared to even my wireless connections in Skullgirls/VF5FS/Blazblue/TTT2.
Why is this allowed? It's been 4 years since SFIV debuted on consoles, you'd think Capcom would've gotten an earful by now that their netcode is shit.

d3v · April 16

SFxT has decent rollback based netcode. It may not be up to current GGPO standards, but neither was GGPO back in the day.

King9999 · April 16

I'm really impressed with VF5FS's netcode. It's a shame that game doesn't get more love.

So why doesn't that game get more love?

Hecatom · April 16

d3v wrote: »

SFxT has decent rollback based netcode. It may not be up to current GGPO standards, but neither was GGPO back in the day.

SFxT has good netcode indeed, sadly the good netcode is tied to a terrible game :/

King9999 wrote: »

I'm really impressed with VF5FS's netcode. It's a shame that game doesn't get more love.

So why doesn't that game get more love?

It doesn't have this

Or this

SirMixahLot · April 19

http://www.geekexchange.com/capcoms-25-greatest-fighting-games-53275.html#.UW1Qxhg9uBg.gmail

Pretty crappy list, I think...
Alpha 2 gold, but no A2? All 3 versions of SF4? WW being #1? GTFO...

jedpossum · April 19

World Warrior on the snes is Capcom's best selling game only game to come close was RE 5(only if you count both versions).
Yeah, that list is so bad I can't think enough bad words to even describe it.

SirMixahLot · April 19

jedpossum wrote: »

World Warrior on the snes is Capcom's best selling game only game to come close was RE 5(only if you count both versions).
Yeah, that list is so bad I can't think enough bad words to even describe it.

Yeah... The order doesn't make sense, and half the games don't make sense...
Glad Slam Masters got love though... But no Hyper Fighting or Champion Edition? Super Turbo = no, but HDR?

I mean...
1-5 range could include: MvC2 &/or UMvC3, CvS2, 3S, Super Turbo, and SSF4AE2012 or whatever, and the order depends on who you ask...
After that, 6-10 range could include: Vampire Savior, Alpha 2 &/or Alpha 3, Hyper Fighting &/or Champion Edition, Project Justice, MvC1, again order depends.
10-25 is some combination of Project Justice, Power Stone 2, Slam Masters, other Vs. games, other Vampire games, MSH/CotA, HDR, Cyberbots, maybe Pocket Fighter, and even Battle Circuit or Megaman Power Fighters... But having PJ and Rival Schools or both PS games is fucking silly...

Sexperienced. · April 19

oh, I'm currently creating my own fighting game thats the reason why i was asking for the SF vs KOF comparison

SirMixahLot said:

http://www.geekexchange.com/capcoms-25-greatest-fighting-games-53275.html#.UW1Qxhg9uBg.gmail

Pretty crappy list, I think...
Alpha 2 gold, but no A2? All 3 versions of SF4? WW being #1? GTFO...

gutter trash list. how can street fighter 2 turbo, A2 and ST not be in the top 3.

jedpossum · April 19

This is so goofy I can see why it didn't get used.

d3v · April 22

Why is it that in the west, you have different notation methods for different games? Over here in the far east, most everyone just uses numeric directions.

4neqs · April 22

ilitirit wrote: »

Which FGs have top tier grapplers?

Street Fighter EX1 (OG, plus and Alpha) games

Zangief + EX series in general, pretty high up iirc

SirMixahLot · April 22

4neqs wrote: »

ilitirit wrote: »

Which FGs have top tier grapplers?

Street Fighter EX1 (OG, plus and Alpha) games

Zangief + EX series in general, pretty high up iirc

to add to this:
Vanilla SF4 Gief
Super Turbo O.Hawk

SRK Lounge: for general fighting game discussions that arent thread worthy

Comments