Marvel 101: The UMVC3 Basics Thread

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Hey guys. This is to replace the Syke and Windy Basics thread for MVC3. Some of this information is outdated or needs to be elaborated more. Shout outs to Syke and Windsagio for holding it down in 2010 when the game was first announced. Hope you guys still lurk the forums. This is gonna be a little tough to read because there are no smilies for this version of SRK, so bare with me.

L = Light Attack
M = Medium Attack
H = Heavy Attack
S = Special Attack (Launch button)
A1 = Assist 1
A2 = Assist 2

d= Down
d/f= Down forward
f = Forward
d/b = Down back
b= Back
u = Up
u/b = Up back
u/f = Up forward
QCF = Quarter circle forward or d, d/f, f, or 236
QCB = Quarter circle back or d, d/b, b or 214
DP = Dragon Punch or f, d, d/f or 623
RDP = Reverse Dragon Punch or b, d, d/b or 421
HCF = Half circle forward or b, d/b, d, d/f, f or 41236
HCB = Half circle back or f, d/f, d, d/b, b or 63214
St. = Standing
Cr. = Crouching
J. = Jumping
Sj. = Super Jump

Introduction

Welcome to the world of Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. This game is the second installment of the first version (or vanilla version) of Marvel vs. Capcom 3. This game is the pinnacle of hype and salt throughout the FGC. If you are looking to join into the hype, beat up on your friends, or just want to expand your game beyond what you know, then you will get all that you need from this thread. You will learn from the basics of moving, to combo creation, to team compositions and even advanced tactics of the insanity that this game is. We'll start with the most important thing in this game, movement.

To Do list:

Miscellanous stuff (Kubota escape, guard breaks, TAC Infinites)
More detail on assists
Where to go portion.
Edit in sections in OP
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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
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    Movement

    Walking - Walking is the slowest and the most basic form of movement in a fighting game. There is no real purpose to use this unless there is some type of positioning you need for a set-up or you trying to bait something out. To walk, you simply hold forward or back on your controller of choice.

    Jumping - A basic form of air mobility in any fighting game. This is good for avoid simple ground stuff like a hadouken. To jump, you hold up, upback or upforward on your controller of choice. Whether you jump up, upforward or upback will determine where you jump. If you just do up, you will jump straight up. If you do up foward, you will jump forward. If you do up back, you will jump backwards. NOTE: Some characters have up to 3 jumps in the air. Others have only 1. Depending on the character you pick, you have to commit to a jump.

    Super Jump - A basic form of air mobility, except it gets you much much much higher than a regular jump. To do a super jump, you tap down and then up on your controller of choice.

    Crouching - Its more of a stance than movement. Crouching is when you make your character get into a crouching position. To do this, you hold down, downback, or downforward on your controller of choice. Your character will not be able to move forward or backwards if he is crouching, however your character will be able to attack and block. NOTE: Some characters, like Amaterasu can avoid certain moves when crouching. Depending on the size of the character and/or how low the character stoops with crouching you will be able to avoid some things like fireballs, jabs and even some hypers.

    Dashing - There are many forms of dashing but this is the most basic version of a dash. To dash, you tap forward twice or back twice on your controller of choice or you can press two attack buttons at the same time. This is how you want to get in and get out most of the time on the ground. The problem with dashing is that you have to commit to it. However, in versus games, you don't have to commit to a dash. NOTE: Some characters can cancel their dash by pressing down on their controller of choice or by doing an attack. This is essential to know to wavedash, which will be explained in the next segment.

    Wavedashing - The quickest form of dashing in this game. To wavedash, you press 2 attack buttons, then you press down, and repeat. People argue that this is the best way to get in because you don't really have to commit to anything you do and its consistent than its predecessor, "Plink Dashing". Having the ability to cancel your dash is powerful to reduce the chances of you getting hit by something random. Also, wavedashing gets you close and far so fast that its always a must to learn, especially if you have a character that can do it. Problem is that its limited in the options you can do. All you can do in go in. And its alot harder than "Plink Dashing".  NOTE: Some characters cannot wavedash because they cannot cancel their dash by pressing down. Some character have to jump cancel their dashes.

    Plink dashing - Plink dashing is new to the Marvel series. Due to the leniency of the inputs in modern day fighting games, you can trick the game into think you are dashing, canceling it with a normal, but not really doing a normal, you are really dashing. Its really really weird to explain. First you have to learn what P-linking is first. P-linking is when you pressing 2 inputs so fast together that you end up getting 2 of the same inputs a frame apart of each other. A common way to p-link is like hp ~ mp in street fighter 4. Instead of the game registering your inputs as HP and MP. It reads it as though you are really doing HP, then MP and HP at the same time a frame later. Because the heavier buttons have priority over the medium and light buttons, the HP will always come out. Same with MP~LP. You get the MP because the Medium buttons will get priority over the light buttons.

    Plink dashing is somewhat the same way. Lets say you did H~ML. The game will register you doing the H, but a frame later, it will register you doing the dash, and because dashes get more priority than attack buttons you will get the dash. If you were to do it again, you dash will be canceled by the H, but then you pressed LM a frame afterwards. And since they are so much together and dashes take priority over attacks, you will get the dash again. Do this multiple times in a row and you get something that looks like a perfect wavedash, but really, you are "Kara-Canceling" your attack button with a dash. I really hope you guys understand.

    Anyway, the reason that people believe plink dashing is powerful and the best method to dashing is because you get an "Option Select Grab". If you are super close to your opponent and you were to Plink Dash, you will grab them. If you weren't close to them, you will get a dash. Its like you never have to commit. Only problem is that if you were to mess up, you will throw out an attack button which is something you don't want to do in this game, because if you were to whiff something, there is a huge chance in high level play that your character is dead. So you technically are committing to something when you Plink Dash.

    NOTE: Plink Dashing vs. Wavedashing. Who wins? This is entirely up to preference. I myself prefer wavedashing for the same reason at IFC Yipes does, because I find it more consistent than plink dashing. Others, like K-Beast, prefer Plink Dashing, probably because of the options you have with it. Whichever you choose is fine, as long as you PRACTICE.

    Airdash: An advanced version of air movement. To airdash, you jump and press 2 attack buttons at the same time. Some characters have the option to double jump and an option to airdash. However, you cannot jump twice AND airdash, unless you are certain characters like Chun-Li and Viewtiful Joe. You have to commit to one. Yes, you can do this in super jump height.

    Flight- Flight mode is limited between a few characters in the game, in where they enter a mode to "walk in the air". To activate flight, you perform it mostly with QCB + S. In flight mode, you stay in the air for a set amount of time. You have unlimited airdashes (if your character has airdashes and flight mode), for you can dash as long as your character can stay in flight mode. You can deactivate flight mode with unfly (QCB+S when in the air) or by pressing the S button. NOTE: MODOK goes into flight mode just by jumping.
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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
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    Defense

    Blocking - Basic form of defense in this game. To block, you hold back or down-back on your controller of choice. Certain attacks you have to block a certain way. A low attack you would have to hold downback for. A high attack (jump in and overhead) you have to hold back. Knowing when and how to block comes with playing the game and learning about the character. NOTE: You can block in the air. Something known as chicken guarding.

    Advancing Guard (Pushblock) - Pushblock is an advanced form of defense. To pushblock, you must be blocking and then press 2 or more attack buttons. Pushblocking is important because it not only gets your opponent off you, but it reduces chip damage (or damage on block) when mashed and can lead to your opponent whiff a huge move so you can whiff punish. Only thing about pushblock is that it makes certain things that unsafe, safe because you push your opponent away and it leaves you in block stun longer. It can be dangerous to pushblock you in the air because you can be susceptible to something called "guard breaks", which I will explain later.

    Chicken Blocking (Up back) - Chicken blocking is what some people call "upbacking". When you upback, you can block overheads, and airmoves. Depend on the frame advantage of that air move, you can punish it. IE. Vergil's Helmbreaker is a fast move that give him 0 frame advantage, which means its safe. However, if you chicken block Helm breaker, you turn that air move from 0 to -7 or something like that. The disadvantage of chicken blocking is that they can catch you with a low before you leave the ground. Gotta be careful when and when not to chicken block.

    Assists

    Assist - Your assist is exactly what it is called. It helps you. It can help you get in, rush down, build meter, extend combos, and even help you with set-ups. To do an assist, you press your assist button on your controller. Each character in this game has 3 assist, alpha, beta, and gamma. Its up to you to figure out what assist you need to use. You are allowed to use 2 assist at a time. If one of your characters die, you lose the ability to call that assist anymore.

    Tagging - Tagging is a basic way to get your other characters in. To tag, you hold down your assist button of choice. Tagging is unsafe, but it has uses. It is an overhead, which means that if they are not blocking that standing, they will get hit and they will not be able to punish the tag. Choose when you want to tag.

    Delayed Hyper Combo (DHC) - This is another way to switch characters in, whether to do more damage or just to get another character in safely. To DHC, you must be doing a hyper (which costs a bar to do), and then perform your next character's hyper in the middle of that hyper (will cost you another bar). NOTE: DHC's skips the start up of your next character's hyper. This is a great tool to catch people off guard.

    Team Hyper Combo (THC) - A team hyper combo brings in all your characters and they do a super corresponding with their assist you choose at the character select screen. To THC, you press both assist buttons at the same time. Depending on the meters you have, your corresponding assist will come out. If you don't understand, lets say you have 2 meters and you THC, your point character and your A1 (assist 1) will come out and do their hyper. If you have 3 meters, your point and both your assists will come out and do their hypers. If you only have one meter, your point character will just do its hyper. NOTE: You can cancel certain unique attacks and chains with THCs, but not special moves.

    Variable counter - A variable counter is yet another way to get another character out for a cost of a meter. To do this, you must be blocking, and then press forward and an assist button when a move makes contact with your body. The assist you press will come out doing their assist move and some will gain some invulnerability during their move.

    Snapbacks - A snapback is a powerful manuever to get another character you depise out for a cost of a meter. To do this, you do QCF and an assist button. When it makes contact, your opponent's assist will come out and your opponent can't tag, call an assist, counter, DHC, THC, or anything involving their partner. Which assist depends on the assist button you press. Snapbacks are all 2 frames, with the exception of a couple of characters (Chun-Li's is 1 frame).
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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
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    The combo system

    This game's combo system is absolutely ridiculous. There is alot to know about it in order to become a master of it.

    Magic series - A staple of the vs. games. The magic series changes with every character, because every character has a rule set they must abide to that dictates what normal moves can be chained into other normal moves. You cannot backtrack in a magic series. Almost every character has a sequence derived from one of four "base" Magic Series. Note: Some characters have rulesets with their unique moves to use in chain combos. Its up to you to figure out.

    Zig Zag Magic Series- In the Zig-Zag Magic Series, you have the ability to chain all 6 different forms of attacks (L, M, and H while standing and L, M, and H while crouching) into each other. The order which you can perform your moves is as follows: st. L, cr. L, st. M, cr. M, st. H, cr. H, S

    Stronger Magic Series- In the Stronger Magic Series, you can typically only chain into a stronger attack. The order which you can perform you moves is as follows:
    L, M, H, S. Any of those can be standing, crouching, or a mix between the two.

    Stronger+ Magic Series - The Stronger+ Magic Series is exactly like Stronger. The real only difference is that you are allowed to chain Light Attacks. It can either be a bunch of cr. or st. Ls or you can chain a st. L with a cr. L before needing to move to a stronger button. The order which you can perform you moves is as follows:
    L (however many you can fit in), M, H, S.

    Light Start Magic Series - For the Light Start Magic Series, Medium and Heavy Attack buttons all fall into one group, and you can only start the Chain from a Light Attack and chain into any of the four stronger buttons (standing or crouching m and standing or crouching h). But that's the end of it from there. So the order would be: L, M or H, S.

    Air Combos (Aerial Raves) - If you press the S buttons in a magic series, or just raw S and you hold up, you will automatically go into a super jump and you are able to perform something called an air combo. A combo air magic series is j. M, j. M, j. H, j. S. After you press the S button in the air, your opponent will be knocked down all the way to the ground and the screen will drag to the ground.

    Team Aerial Combos (Exchange combos or TAC's) - If you were to put your opponent in an air combo and you were to press S with Up, Side (left and right) and Down after something like j. M, j. M, j. H, then you can do something called a TAC. With this brand new versus series mechanic, you negate all hit stun deterioration of your combos and you are able to extend a combo by switching your other character in. This mechanic is ridiculous because that means you can make combos that build tons of meter and end up killing a character in one hit.

    However, your opponent is able to counter a TAC. If you were to do side TAC, he would have to counter the side TAC to get out of it. Not only do they get out of it, but you take damage for it.

    With the TAC comes a reward for a good guess. If you go up, you get more damage. If you go side, you get to subtract a meter from your opponent. If you go down, you gain a stock of meter.

    Knockdown - There are 2 types of knockdown: Hard knockdown and soft knockdown. Hard knockdown is when you knock your opponent down and they can't get up for a certain period of time. Depending on a move, they extend their hard knockdown and you can OTG (on the ground) with that move. Soft knockdown is when you knock your opponent down and they almost immediately get up when they hit the floor. You can't OTG after that. Know what moves knockdown and what type of knockdown. NOTE: Air combos automatically cause hard knockdowns.

    Bounce - There are 2 different types of bounces: Wall bounce and ground bounce. A wall bounce is a bounce that bounces you off the wall. A ground bounce is a bounce that bounces you on the ground. You can only use one of each bounce unless there are weird stipulations (like Nova's Centurion Rush M). If you do another bounce move after you already bounced them, you will make them soft knockdown. Bounces allow you to extend combos and create longer combos. Learn what moves creates a bounce. NOTE: A side TAC uses a wall bounce and a down TAC uses a ground bounce. Keep that in mind when you TAC.

    On the Ground (OTG) - An OTG is a move that you can hit your opponent with while they are in a hard knockdown state, usually after an air combo or a move than causes hard knockdown. Not everybody has an OTG move, but some assist can OTG and you can extend a combo like that.

    Hitstun Deterioration (HSD) - Hit Stun Deterioration is a new mechanic to UMVC3 that attempts to limit the number of hits in combo that you can do. The best way I can explain it is that each hit you do has a set amount of hit stun. Now as the combo gets longer, the hit stun of each moves starts to decrease. If you try to continue a combo farther than its suppose to, or wait too late to do another hit, then your opponent will end up flipping out of the combo. NOTE: Two things. 1. Assists adds to HSD in this version. 2. TACs negate hit stun. Its gotten to a point where you can do infinites from this mechanic. Will be explained later.

    Stagger - A stagger is a state where your opponents character looks as though they are trying to gain their footing from a blow. This usually happens when certain moves counterhit.

    Combo creation is more like exhausting all the options you got with your character and your team. In Marvel 3, you got alot of characters with plenty of combo options and assist that are really good for extending combos. With your team, you should be able to a minimum of 750k with one meter and your DHC should do close to 950k. Your combo have to kill or else you are gonna have a tough time to compete in Marvel 3. If you need to look for bnbs for your character, make a trip to the character forums and the combo threads.
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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    edited February 2013
    How to make a team

    There are 3 different philosophies on how to make a team in this game.

    1. Point/Assist/Anchor - This format is used alot in Marvel 3. Typically, players would use their point character most of the time with their assist and they save up the meter or x-factor for their anchor character to use during the clutch time in the match. Example: Wesker/Haggar/Phoenix

    2. Battery/User/Assist - This is what I like to call, "The Marvel 2 format". Your point character (or battery) would build meter and use it to kill a character or to DHC their meter user in the game. Their end character is their main assist that they use for both of your front characters. Example: Wolverine/Storm/Akuma

    3. Point/Assist/Assist - This is the optimal team composition for people who want to make a team based around a certain character on point. These assist not only support the characters weaknesses, but give him optimized combos. Example: Zero/Dante/Vergil

    Ultimately its up to the player to decide what team format they should play.

    Types of characters

    I learned in Marvel 2 that there are 3 different types of characters in a versus game, and in this game there is no exception to the rule: Pixies, Projectile and Big Bodies.

    Pixies - Pixies are the glass cannons of the game. They excel at rushing down and they do damage when they get in, but they are delicate to any touch. Pixies can avoid the nonsense of projectiles and what not and even some attacks if your movement is crispy.

    Projectile - Projectile characters are characters that can fill the screen with stuff and possibly catch you off guard. Projectile characters aren't as noticeable in versus games because they can do other stuff instead of keepaway. Projectile characters have average health and they are not very small, nor big.

    Big Bodies - Big bodies are the tanks in this game. They do alot of damage and they have alot of health, but they are big and slow. You can look at a character and tell that the character is a big body, with an exception of a few characters which are debatable. They typically have large priority moves with great range and they can possibly have armor.

    NOTE: Just because they are labeled as pixies or big bodies does not mean they are out of reach of a projectile game. You will just have to look at the character and see what they got.

    Countering Characters

    There are many ways to counter a character. The most common and easier way is to counter pick a character. There are exceptions to this rule (IE Zero, a pixie who destroys Big Bodies but has a tough time with projectile characters), but this is the general rule.

    Think of this like rock paper scissors. Pixies > Projectiles, Projectiles > Big Bodies, Big Bodies > Pixies.

    Learn what team they are picking. If its a team full of pixies, then picking a team full of big bodies would be the hard counter to that team. So on and so forth.

    A theoretically un-counterable team would be a team that consist of a big body, a projectile and a pixie in one team. You shouldn't have any real match-up problems but you can't hard counter a team. Again, what team you pick is entirely up to preference.
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    edited February 2013
    Characters in the game

    I will try to be as detailed, yet short as possible about each character in this game. There are 50 characters in this game. I will list their name, Magic Series Type, body type and a brief overview of what they can do.

    Akuma
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Pixie

    This character is the equivalent of his past incarnations in videogames. He does a ridiculous amount of damage (his basic combo does 1.05 million with 2 bars), but you touch him once, he's dead because of his 750k health. He has a decent projectile game, a teleport, raging demon, a demon flip and a great assist in Tatsumaki.

    Amaterasu
    Magic Series: Zig-Zag
    Type: Pixie

    This character is a very small character with pretty good versatility. She has great mixups, and a decent projectile game to keep giants out. She has the ability to change her weapons to give her a different moveset However, she has 800k health. Meaning that if she gets hit, there is a good chance she is dead. Godlike assist with Cold Star.

    Arthur
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Projectile

    Another small character with almost no mobility (literally, no dash), but a pretty decent zoning game when you get started. He has the ability to upgrade his armor to make his projectiles and entire moveset better along with an increase of damage. However, after the Gold armor breaks, you get hard knocked down and you become naked Arthur, which makes you take more damage when you get hit. Play him if you want a pure keepaway character with a risk to him.

    C. Viper
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Pixie

    She isn't really a small character, but she has very very strong rushdown and does alot of damage. She has the ability to EX her moves with a cost of a meter. EX Seismo is a very powerful get off of me tool. Alot of her moves are invincible and she has pretty annoying keepaway for a pixie character, making her one of the stronger characters in the game. Pick her if you want a mobile character that can do it all.

    Captain America
    Magic Series: Stronger+ with restrictions (2 other attack buttons after light)
    Type: Projectile

    Cap is a character that excels in the mid range game. He uses his shield slash to keep people out and to confirm a combo. He has a move that charges through fireballs to get in and punish bad beams and fireballs. Problem is that in close range and far range, he cannot compete with the majority of the cast. If you like a character that excels in the mid range game with decent health and great damage, Cap is your character.

    Chris Redfield
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Projectile

    Chris is one of the most dangerous characters from long range in the game. His full screen magnum leads to alot of damage with a short combo. He has plenty of ways to kill your characters with optimized assists. His grenades has alot of great uses for keepaway and combos. His mobility is pretty bad though. If you like a character that excels with getting damage from full screen with limited mobility, then Chris is the character for you.

    Chun-Li
    Magic Series: Stronger+ (?)
    Type: Pixie

    Chun is an extremely mobile character. She has alot of jump cancels in this game. She can jump up to 3 times and has an airdash that goes down forward. The problem is that she doesn't do that much damage for a pixie character in this game, and her most damaging combos have crazy amounts of execution requires and strict timing. If you want to have an extremely mobile character with challenging combos, then Chun is the character for you.

    Dante
    Magic Series: ZigZag
    Type: Pixie

    Dante, though I consider him a pixie, is a very versatile character with many projectiles for use. His damage isn't as ridiculous as it was in MVC3, but he still has alot of combos, a great assist in Jam Session and he has safe DHCs, making him still a great choice. Pick Dante if you want one of the most versatile characters in the game.

    Deadpool
    Magic Series: ZigZag
    Type: Projectile

    Deadpool is a run and gun character with the ability to get in close when he needs to with his teleports. His combo potential is greatly increased with his ability to cancel quickwork and his guns with his teleport. If you like a versatile character with an easy, effective playstyle, play Deadpool.

    Doctor Strange
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Projectile

    Doctor Strange is a zoning character that can create mixups with his zoning, but has limited ground mobility. His Eye of Aggomatto makes for a great anti-air projectile that you can knock away with impact palm (f+H). Doctor Strange has the only hyper projectile counter super in the game. He also has one of the better DHC hypers in the game, since it is so fast and it tracks anywhere on the screen seemingly impossible to avoid.

    Dormammu
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Projectile

    Dormammu is another zoning character with a unique game. Very limited movement, but with the combination of his power of the creator and power of the destructor and a teleport and airdash at his side, he can make a dangerous zoning game with a decent assist behind. If you want a very strong and slow methodical zoning game, then Dormammu is a great character for you.

    Dr. Doom
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Projectile

    Dr. Doom is one of the strongest characters in the game. Although his zoning game is what is the most notable about Doom, his rush game is very much formidable. Footdive (j. S) is one of the best air normals in the game due to its large hitbox and the speed of the normal. His damage is very high and his corner mixups are very scary. He also has 2 of the best assist in the game, with plasma beam and hidden missiles and crazy amounts of TACs. Doom is a good character to put on any team.

    To be continued....
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    Character descriptions continued

    Felicia
    Magic Series: ZigZag
    Type: Pixie

    Felicia is a very fast, ground based character with surprising air movement with her air Delta Kick. With the combination of her wall cling, wall jumps, air delta kick and assists, she can create some tricky 50/50s. With the cost of a meter, she can call her helper kitty and create tricky unblockable or "hard to block" setups. If you want a basic rushdown character with tricky setups, Felicia is a good character for you.

    Firebrand
    Magic Series: ZigZag
    Type: Pixie

    Firebrand is a mobile air character with fireballs and tons of safe stuff. He can stay in the air for a long time due to the ability to shoot up to 3 fireballs in the air. He has unblockable setups with his H Demon Missile, but its tough to set up. Firebrand does very little damage, but he makes up for it with his setups and versatility. If you are looking for a tricky, air mobile character, then Firebrand is a great character for you.

    Frank West
    Magic Series: ZigZag
    Type: Pixie

    Frank West is a unique character in this game with a level up mechanic with his snap shot attack. He is a limited character at lvl 1, but once you level him up, he becomes a much better character. When leveled up, he gets probably the best air normal in the game with his j. M and he gains invincibility on his survival techniques. If you like a character that becomes better during the match and an assist that is fast and wide (shopping cart), then Frank is for you.

    Ghost Rider
    Magic Series: Light Start
    Type: Projectle

    Ghost Rider is the closest thing to Dhalsim that this game will get. You get long ranged normals that confirm into full damage. You get a great normal with j. S and st. H. You get a decent projectile game, but up close is the worst situation for Ghost Rider due to movement and no get off me moves. If you like a character that can confirm from fullscreen with a challenging up close game, then Ghost Rider is the character for you.

    Haggar
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Big Body

    Haggar is a ridiculously hard hitting character that can kill a character with one combo. His air pipe is a long reaching normal with alot of priority and it cause a hard knockdown AND a ground bounce. His mobility is limited, but once he gets that hit, it can be all over for your opponents entire team. His lariat is full invincible and can lead into a full combo when it hits at a certain height. If you want a big character with an invincible move, hard hitting team combos and a great assist, then Haggar is for you.

    Hawkeye
    Magic Series: Light Start+
    Type: Projectile

    Hawkeye is a character with annoying keepaway and surprisingly good ground movement. His one frame super is optimal for whiff punishing. He also has arrows that can poison you and sap your yellow health away. His damage and air movement is lacking, but he more than makes up for it with his options on the ground. If you want a great keepaway game with some escape options, Hawkeye is a great choice.

    Hsien-Ko
    Magic Series: ZigZag
    Type: Projectile

    Hsien-Ko is a character with a random keepaway game an a hyper armor super. When she does her armor super, she is allowed to tag out, being an assist that can't be stopped unless killed. Her items come out almost randomly, but they are really good for zoning out. Her health isn't very good, her mobility is butt and her damage output is pretty bad, but she can definitely lame someone out with her reflectors and her items. If you want a strict keepaway game with limited options, then Hsien-Ko is for you.

    Hulk
    Magic Series: Light Start
    Type: Big Body

    Hulk is exclusively there to bully you. His st. H is a really good armor move that ground bounces. St. M is another good armor move. His Gamma Charge has outstanding armor and his gamma wave has really good durability. His weakness is that he is slow and he is solely momentum, making him a streaky character. If you want a big body with tons of armor, damage, health, and a great projectile, pick Hulk.

    Iron Fist
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    Iron Fist is an extremely fast and advanced ground based character. He has great long ranged buttons optimal for whiff punishing the fastest and farthest moves. His combos are extremely damaging. However, he can't get much from an anti air and he has no air game whatsoever. If you want a ground based footsie character with a weak and limited air game, Iron Fist is for you.

    Iron Man
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Projectile

    Iron Man is a character that excels in the air game. He has great air buttons that make him almost impossible to anti-air him. Unibeam is a great tool, along with smart bombs and repulsor blast. His problem lies in the execution requirements for Ironman. His BNB takes 700k and is extremely hard to grasp if you weren't an Ironman player in the first place. If you want a character with an extremely solid neutral game with tough execution requirement. Ironman is for you.

    Jill
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    Jill is an extremely mobile character. She has a feral crouch that helps her move across the screen, gain access to more moves, and extend combos. Her mad beast lvl 3 gains her insane movement and insane combos. Her weakness lies in her complexity her health. If you want a complex character with tons of sweet combos, then pick Jill.

    Magneto
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Pixie

    Magneto is a very fast, yet versatile character. He has tons of combos to learn to go with his infinite amount of hit confirms. His airdash downforward magnetic blast is godlike for zoning and pressure. He has the ability (new to UMVC3) to control the gravity around his opponent (attraction, repulsion, gravitation). He has a really fast beam for an assist and he has great buttons and options. If you want a strong overall character with huge combo options, pick Magneto.

    MODOK
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Projectile

    MODOK is a very odd character. He is an extremely versatile character with a level up mechanic called Levels of Understanding (LOU) where you can power up your attacks. He is a big body with amazing movement and a great projectile game. His combos are great but they are complex and need the help of assists to do the max damage. He cannot upback, but he can normal jump into flight mode. If you want a versatile animal with great combos and a complex leveling system, then Modok is for you.
    To be continued
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    edited March 2013
    Character descriptions continued

    Morrigan
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Projectile

    Morrigan used to be considered not that good of a character, but ever since Chris G started winning and other Morrigan players are showing up, Morrigan has really been a good character. She has a weird dash that puts her airborne. She is very mobile in the air also and has a ridiculous j. S. Along with some great air normals, she has a ridiculous projectile game with her astral vision and her flight canceled fireballs. Pick Morrigan if you want an extremely strong zoning game in exchange for less damage.

    Nemesis
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Big Body

    Nemesis is a hulking big character that bullies you with his outstanding air normals and frame traps. He has a rocket with really small durability, but amazing damage for a single hit projectile (150k!). He has a grab special he can combo out of. He has great resets to one touch kill your opponent with. His downsides are that he isn't a very good character to DHC into, he doesn't have anything really safe and he doesn't do much damage as a big body. Pick Nemesis if you want a versatile character with great air normals and frame traps.

    Nova
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Pixie

    Nova is one of the most solid characters in the game, due to the vast amount of tools, priority and damage that he has. He has long ranged normals, a j. H with amazing frame advantage and huge hitbox, a godlike grab range, a vertical tracking projectile, a shield projectile and a super that goes through projectiles. His downside is that some of his specials get rid of red health and his airdash is pretty awkward and weird to use. Pick Nova if you want an extremely solid character that can fight all matchups.

    Phoenix
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    Phoenix is a very powerful character. People look at her inferior health and damage and think she is a bad character, however, combined with her movement, x-factor and her dark phoenix mode, she becomes the most powerful anchor in the game, with the ability to kill any character with or without meter. She, however is seen as a liability because of the notion that you cannot spend meter with her on the team. Pick Phoenix if you want a powerful last slot and you are willing to conserve meter.

    Phoenix Wright
    Magic Series: Stronger +
    Type: Projectile

    Phoenix Wright has the most odd moveset in the game. He has 3 different modes, each having a different moveset. His main goal is to gather 3 pieces of evidence so he can go into investigation mode, where he needs to do objection to activate turnabout mode. In turnabout mode, he becomes one of the scariest characters in the game. He also gains access to his level 3, that does 600k. Phoenix Wright's problem lies in his bad movement and his limited normals in investigation and trial mode. Pick PW if you want a character that is high risk high reward.

    Rocket Raccoon
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    Rocket Raccoon is quite a fast character with access to a solid keepaway game. Combined with his traps and rocket skates, he can create some tricky mixups for anybody to block. He has many instant overheads to go along with his crossups. Rocket Raccoon doesn't do alot of damage at all and he has really bad health for a character that doesn't have much health. Pick Rocket Raccoon if you are a fan of limitless movement and tricky mixups.

    Ryu
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Projectile

    Ryu is a pretty basic and standard character in this game. He has a very durable hadouken, a charged up hadouken that wall bounces, and a fireball he can fire multiple times (5 I think). He has a shoryuken that is quite invincible (that you can make super by using the S button) and he has his Tatsu, which is great for combos. He does alot of damage for a character so basic, but Ryu has pretty bad air mobility and he can't chase people well. Pick Ryu if you want a basic character that does alot of damage.

    Sentinel
    Magic Series: Light Start
    Type: Big Body

    Sentinel is one of the largest characters in this game. He is so tall and susceptible to instant overheads. However, he does ALOT of damage. When he gets the hit (which it isn't hard with his outstanding air normals and armored moves), you can guarantee that your opponents character is dead. His problem lies in his health. A big body with 900k health is pretty terrible. Pick Sentinel if you want a big body with great footsies, great damage, and armor in exchange for his less than average health.

    She Hulk
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Big Body

    She Hulk is a powerhouse with great speed and damage. She has a run start move that allows her to get across the screen and gain access to some moves. Off this run start, she can also bounce off the wall and dive at you. She has command grabs that stun and gives her some strong combos. She can get zoned out quite easily, but when she gets in, it turns into a nightmare. Pick She-Hulk if getting in close and doing damage is your main concern.

    Shuma Gorath
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    This dimensional overlord has many ways to open you up. Alot of his moves are instant overheads and they are cancelable to another overhead move (mystic smash). He also has an annoying projectile game with his mystic ray. Chaos Dimension, his level 3, is capable of grabbing your out of guard stun, making this a very annoying move for people to deal with. His weakness is that he is very fast for a pixie character. Pick Shuma if you want a character that can mix you up at will when he gets in close.

    Spencer
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Pixie

    Spencer is the tank of the game. He's borderline a big body, but his speed and size make him a pixie. He can get across the screen in a heart beat with his wire zip. His Up grapple into reel in punch does 80k of unscaled damage. With his many ways to get that 80k and his supers doing alot of damage at maximum scaling, he can rack up the damage extremely fast. His normals aren't that good, but having access to an invincible 2f super, the ability to get the hit easy and the ability to kill you off a grab, Spencer is still a threat to the strongest players. Pick Spencer if you want a great rushdown character.

    Spider-Man
    Magic Series: Stronger+
    Type: Pixie

    Spider is an extremely agile character that can do alot of damage with select assists. He is able to cancel his special moves with web zip, making him a very safe character. His weakness lies in his normals and him being so fragile. Pick Spiderman if you want to be all around the screen and confirm off of almost anything.

    Storm
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Projectile

    Storm is an extremely agile character with a set of great punish hypers to kill assists and even catch stuff that you opponent does that is punishable. She has several overheads and resets that can make her a scary character to try to block against. Her flaws are that she doesn't do alot of damage and that her health doesn't compensate for it. Pick Storm if you want a good punish character with great mobility.

    Strider Hiryu
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    Strider is a very odd, yet dangerous character. He has 2 level 3's. One good for combo enders and the other for ridiculous pressure and mixups. His mobility is very good for annoying people and escaping danger from the opponent. He doesn't do good damage or have good health, but he has tricky cross ups and resets to help him do damage. Vajra is an amazing assist and he is an extremely dangerous anchor. Pick Strider if you want a character with an amazing pressure game along with movement.

    Super Skrull
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    Super Skrull thrives off of annoying you with his mobility and cross ups. He has a command grab to add into the madness that is Super Skrull. Meteor Smash is a teleport move that gets you from one part of the screen to another, that is also a cross up, an overhead and avoids fireballs easily. He has stubby normals and he can get oppressed pretty easily due to nothing to get people off of him, but he is still a nuisance to every player. Pick Super Skrull if you want tricky mix ups and overwhelming mobility.

    Taskmaster
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Projectile

    Taskmaster is a very versatile character with the ability to beat your opponent in many ways. His arrows do alot of damage and if they are able to get through those, he has high priority and long ranged normals to out footsie you. His shield skill is a great anti-air with tons of priority. He has an unblockable with his sword master and he has counters with guard master. He can get across the screen with web swing xxx air M arrows, however it can leave him open for a punish if not covered by an assist. Other than the web swing, his mobility is fairly limited. Pick Taskmaster if you want a solid overall beast with a limited mobility game.

    Thor
    Magic Series: Light Start
    Type: Big Body

    Thor has the largest amount of health in the game with 1.25 million. Along with the health, he does great damage and he has resets to go along with it. Mighty Strike has tons of armor on it, unless someone can stop it before it goes through. He has very slow normals, his movement and he can be oppressed to the point where he can't get anything going, but with Thor's large amount of health, he can take the large amounts of abuse. Pick Thor if you want a truly big body character.

    Trish
    Magic Series: Specialized Zig Zag
    Type: Projectile

    Trish is a very air mobile character with a very good zoning game. With her traps and her fireballs, she can really keep even the most mobile and annoying out. She has an airdash and a fly mode to keep her out of danger. She also has Round Harvest, which allow for unblockable set ups if set up correctly. Her flaws lie in that she doesn't do alot of damage and she has really mediocre health. Pick Trish if mobility and keepaway is your thing.

    Tron
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Big Body

    Tron is a large character that racks up alot of damage with the ability to loop supers. With select assists, she can make extremely long combos and do tons of damage. She has servebots to zone and command grab. Her flaws is that she is so big and its really hard to get a solid hit due to her moves having huge pushback. Pick Tron if you want a strong character with great damage and good mixup tools.

    Vergil
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Pixie

    Vergil is a high damage mixup character. He has long ranged normals, tracking teleports, cross up specials, a high durability fireball, round trip (a boomerang like weapon you can charge and throw) and an extremely high durability super that is key to many of his combos (spiral swords). He has tons of safe strings and tools that make him a formidable rushdown character in this game. His problem is that he cannot fight well in the air, but even with this weakness, his ability to kill character in one combo and his mixup potential makes Vergil one of the strongest characters in the game. Pick Vergil if you want a bully character that can keep everybody at bay.

    Viewtiful Joe
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    Viewtiful Joe is one of the smallest characters in the game. He has a triple jump, an airdash he can potentially do twice, a red hot kick that gets him to the ground quickly and several invincible moves to go along with his arsenal of a moveset. He can quickly fill the screen with voomerangs and get in safe with them. Joe's weakness is damage. For a pixie character, he doesn't do alot of damage. However, Joe is a solid, versatile character. Pick Joe if versatility and small size is your thing.

    Wesker
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Projectile

    Wesker is an extremely mobile character with a 1f command grab and a teleport. His samurai edge is outstanding to keep people out and he can get in (or out) in a flash because of his teleports. When his glasses come off, he gains a speed boost and attack boost equivelent to his x-factor lvl 1. He is a very versatile character, however, he isn't necessary amazing at one thing. Also, with his damage output, you won't see many players considering Wesker a top character. Pick Wesker if you want an emphasis on mobility and versatility.

    Wolverine
    Magic Series: Zig Zag Specialized
    Type: Pixie

    Wolverine is a linear, basic rushdown character. He has a divekick that extends combos and gets him plenty of frame advantage. Berserker slash can cross up and can be made safe with his berserker charge super. His j. L is a great normal because it instant overheads. With a certain assist you can combo off of that. He isn't very good in the air but his ground rushdown still makes him a great character to use if given a right team. Pick Wolverine if basic rushdown is your gameplan.

    X-23
    Magic Series: Zig Zag
    Type: Pixie

    X-23 is a very mobile character, that lacks damage but has plenty of ways to open you up. Her talon attacks allow her to soar through the air and avoid projectiles and assists, and then she pounces on you. Her lvl 3, Dirt Nap turns her invisible, can grab people out of block stun and with the use of her x-factor, she can kill a character off. Pick X-23 if you want a rushdown character with good air movement and a devastating lvl 3.

    Zero
    Magic Series: Stronger
    Type: Pixie

    Zero is the king. He has a ridiculous amount of tools to deal with any and everybody. His lvl 3 buster cancels allow for his strings and projectile use to be safer. He has very long combos to extend damage and meter build. His sougenmu super is great for traps and to execute his most devastating combo, the lightning loop. Zero's only flaw is that his health is low, however, if you master his movement, mixups and combos, there is a small chance you will get hit. Zero's ability to end the game with only one character kill makes Zero one of the best, if not the best character in the game.
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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    edited March 2013
    X-Factor

    X-factor is a new mechanic to the Marvel series. This mechanic has many many uses within the game. To activate X-Factor, press the light, medium, heavy and special button simultaneously. With x-factor, your character gets a certain amount boost of speed and attack power in a certain amount of time, depending on how many characters you got and what character you have. The less characters you have, the more power and speed you gain from x-factor and the more time you got for it.

    X-factor also works as a guard cancel. If you are blocking something and you activate x-factor, you are able to attack or move right afterwards. It negates the block stun and you can punish or escape accordingly. It can also cancel whatever you are doing. Lets say you did an unsafe move, and then you activate x-factor. Right after you activate, you can escape punishment. You can also cancel supers with x-factor.

    If you are coming from a game like Guilty Gear or Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, you can call this a more enhanced version of a roman cancel or a baroque cancel.

    X-factor is a powerful tool that can change the tide of a match. Its up to you on how you use it.

    Neutral Game

    Neutral game is gonna be tossed around alot in these forums. Neutral game is when two characters or teams fight over control, with movement and projectiles. A more common term in other fighting games that means the same as this is "Footsies". Only difference is that in this game, you have assists to help you gain space while in games like Street Fighter, you don't. There isn't much to say about neutral game, other than to know what your characters excel at and where your opponent is weak at. For example you play a team of Nova/Taskmaster/Doom and your opponent plays something like Haggar/Hulk/Wesker. Obviously you know they want to get close to you because they got 2 big bodies that do alot of damage. So the neutral game would be you zoning him out with Nova's various projectiles and your assists.

    A team that would be strong in neutral game has an answer for every situation. If your opponents team excels at the super jump height, does your team have an answer for that? If your opponent excels up close, can you prevent them from being up close? If your opponent excels at long distance, can your team get up close and fight? This is what you have to think about when you attempt to make a good team.

    One philosophy that I heard is that its a bop and weave game. You throw some pokes, get them to whiff a move and you punish it. Dashing in and out and waiting for some type of screw up. Once you learn how to move, the neutral game is gonna be alot easier to maneuver.
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    This is still in the works. Thank you Diek Stiekem for allowing me to start the basics thread over again.
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  • SleazoidSleazoid Joined: Posts: 4,744
    edited February 2013

    Cee Dizzy said:
    To walk, you simply hold forward and back on your controller of choice.
    How do I hold forward and back at the same time halp pls
  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    Sleazoid said:

    Cee Dizzy said:
    To walk, you simply hold forward and back on your controller of choice.
    How do I hold forward and back at the same time halp pls
    Oops. Fixed.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 55,372 mod
    Yeah this is very much needed.  There hasn't really been a general how to play Marvel tutorial since Viscant's video and there's a lot of stuff that wasn't mentioned or wasn't discovered then.

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  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    good stuff keep up the good work :)
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    Cee Dizzy said:
    This is still in the works. Thank you Diek Stiekem for allowing me to start the basics thread over again.
    No thanks, in fact we should thank you for making an updated basics thread.
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  • TenguEggTenguEgg Joined: Posts: 1,152
    You should make a quick note that you can call assists at normal jump height, but you cannot at super jump height.
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    TenguEgg wrote: »
    You should make a quick note that you can call assists at normal jump height, but you cannot at super jump height.

    That's not really a technical rule. What you're trying to say is that you can't call assists during a super jump. There's no rule against calling assists at super jump height.

    If you get hit and recover during a super jump...you then can call an assist.


    There are characters like V.Joe, C.Viper, Chun Li and Dante (DT) that can reach super jump height without super jumping or using flight.

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  • TenguEggTenguEgg Joined: Posts: 1,152
    edited February 2013
    Yeah yeah sorry, technicalities, I didn't know how to word it, but you got the jist of what I was saying. I'm sure Cee Dizzy can find a way to word it better, but I think its a decently important note to know for a beginner
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    Good start. I like it.
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    Awesome thread. Just a character specific note: Amaterasu doesn't have a Zig-Zag series. She can only chain c.L into s.L (like many Stronger characters) and s.H into c.H, but that's it. Chun-Li has the same thing. They are Stronger+ with one zig-zagged button. Dante isn't a true Zig-Zag character either.

    Actually, the guide has four different series that I think fit a little better:
    Marvel- essentially Stronger, though they don't differentiate between this and Stronger+.
    Hunter- Zig-Zag
    2-Hit Limited- Light Start
    3-Hit Alternating- verbatim: "This chain type has the chaining properties of the Hunger series; you can string together attacks from weakest to strongest while also alternating from standing to crouching attacks of the same strength. The difference here is that you can only chain up to three attacks within these limitations. Dante can nomally chain c.M, s.H, then c.H. However, if the combo is started with an additional attack, like s.M, c.M, and then s.H, you cannot follow up with the final c.H." (BradyGames pls don't sue)

    Dante and Trish fall into this category. Just something to consider. Keep it up!
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    You went over forward wave dashing. I think you should go over back wave dashing as well. It is a skill I rarely see people use in online fights.
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    You went over forward wave dashing. I think you should go over back wave dashing as well. It is a skill I rarely see people use in online fights.
    That's because it's hard to do compared to back plink dashing. Instead of having to do 4242424242+plus two buttons each time, you just hold 4 (back) and plink two/three buttons.
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    Sleazoid said:

    Cee Dizzy said:
    To walk, you simply hold forward and back on your controller of choice.
    How do I hold forward and back at the same time halp pls
    purchase a hit-box. Hit forward and back at the same time.

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    Alright, back into it.

    Misc. Stuff

    Kubota Escape

    This glitch was newly found this year in Japan and brought to America for people to take and use. Not sure who found it (Kubo, if there is such a player lol) but its a very powerful technique to punish raw supers. To do this glitch, during the start up animation for a super, you hold the tag button for your dead character, and after the start up of the super, you perform snapback with your other assist while you are holding tag for your dead character. What will happen is that the game will be tricked into thinking that the dead character you have isn't really dead. So you will switch out a dead character, but then the game realizes it is dead, so it will switch your other character in that is alive. With this glitch, you can punish raw supers like dimensional slash and Maximum Wesker. Some supers will not be able to be punished, but you can avoid it out right with this glitch.

    This glitch will not work with 0-1 frame supers and certain level 3s.

    Guard Breaks

    In this game, guard breaks aren't what they were in the older days. In the old games, a guard break would force you to let go of your block. In this game, you just get grabbed for free. To perform a guard break, your opponent must push block. Once they push block that move, they are susceptible to a throw. This is best used in the air, because most characters in the game can get alot of damage from an airthrow.

    This video shows some guard breaks that you can do. Credits go to EvilToasterofFP.



    More to come.
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    @Cee Dizzy

    You're correct. He's an X-23/Vergil/Dante player.

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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    edited March 2013
    Where to go

    2013 UMVC3 SRK Tier List/Theory Discussion Thread- This thread is the go to thread for people that want to discuss what characters are good and what characters are not good. Here is also a general discussion of what characters are optimized with who and the tech that is found. NOTE: People get easily offended here. If you have an opinion, please know that people will attack you for it.


    UMVC3 Stream and Commentary Thread
    - This is the thread you go to when you want to talk about matches or streams with other fellow SRK member. Remember to check the most recent pages for the most recent streams.

    Official and Only Team Building Thread- This is the thread you want to go to if you have a question on how to make a team or who goes well with who. If you are just starting off here and lost on who to play, make a visit here.

    Community Team Tech Development- This is the thread for the more advanced player, or the player that just wants to explore as much as possible with this game. They give you a team and you attempt to make some tech with this team. Really good for community building and overall discovery with the game.

    Hitstun deterioration- This is a good thread if you want to understand hitstun deterioration more. Make sure you read the whole first page.

    Character Discussion- This link goes to the character forums of UMVC3. Go here if you want more detail about a character or want to see what combos the community came up with.
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  • <Insert Name Here><Insert Name Here> No wonder with people like me SRK Marvel is dead Joined: Posts: 7,940
    Cee Dizzy wrote: »
    Where to go

    2013 UMVC3 SRK Tier List/Theory Discussion Thread- This thread is the go to thread for people that want to discuss what characters are good and what characters are not good. Here is also a general discussion of what characters are optimized with who and the tech that is found.
    I feel like you need to put up a warning about this thread. "May lower IQ." "Beware dumb posters." Etc., etc.
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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    Cee Dizzy wrote: »
    Where to go

    2013 UMVC3 SRK Tier List/Theory Discussion Thread- This thread is the go to thread for people that want to discuss what characters are good and what characters are not good. Here is also a general discussion of what characters are optimized with who and the tech that is found.
    I feel like you need to put up a warning about this thread. "May lower IQ." "Beware dumb posters." Etc., etc.

    I got a note there about how people get easily offended. Just edited it in. Thanks.
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    That's not really a technical rule. What you're trying to say is that you can't call assists during a super jump. There's no rule against calling assists at super jump height.

    If you get hit and recover during a super jump...you then can call an assist.


    There are characters like V.Joe, C.Viper, Chun Li and Dante (DT) that can reach super jump height without super jumping or using flight.

    You can also call assist during super jump if you block. I use it against Strider teams a lot.

    Also Spider-man's DP is not invincible.

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    edited March 2013
    Hit bubble/box reference guide. Still missing about 10 characters.


    For some reason it seems like they deleted the video previously made for Frank West.



    The general rule with hit bubbles is that green is the area where you can be hit and red is the area where you can hit someone. In this game unlike other games, projectile hit bubbles also appear as red rather than in a different color to differentiate them as projectiles. Another rule to remember generally is that physical attacks usually tend to have hit bubbles that are bigger than the characters while projectiles (especially beams) tend to have smaller hit bubbles than the visual representation on screen.
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  • R_e_b_e_lR_e_b_e_l Joined: Posts: 2
    Hey this is great!I'm new to Marvel so looking forward to learn more.thanks
  • DocDignityDocDignity Joined: Posts: 380
    edited May 2013
    Good job, this already helps a lot. I am bored by every other BeMu so I decided to play around a bit with UMvC.The load of information is so overwhelming that it's nealy putting me off.

    A good addition for new players here would be a few beginner team recommendations. Also, it would be great if the chars had a explanation which slot the idealy play in, e.g. point, anchor.

    I thought i might start with Nova, Wolvie and ? Any ideas who I could play as a beginner? And what's the best team order?
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    ^^^ Wolverine/Nova isn't awful. Lets say you get the DHC kill with Nova, you can do H Pulse, tag Wolverine back in and go for a mixup. Nova helps Wolverine more than Wolverine helps Nova for sure though. I definitely agree.

    Doc Dignity, I will make a post regarding that very soon, but long story short, I think that some of the best teams to learn the game are Wesker/Magneto/Vergil, Magneto/Doom/Sentinel and Wolverine/Spencer/Doom. That's just me though. I'll explain later.
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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Remember me now, Yipes? Joined: Posts: 7,480
    While I lack the forum skill that based Cee possesses, I can think of a few beginner team ideas:
    -Points: Wesker, Wolverine, and Nova
    -Seconds: Magneto, Doom, Spencer, Vergil, Dante, Sentinel
    -Anchors: Amaterasu, Strider, VERGIL

    Use this formula and you are very likely to get a good team.
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    ^^^ There are a few characters on that I disagree on. But yeah pretty much.


    If you are starting off the game super fresh to it, I suggest people to learn Wesker or Magneto or both.

    Wesker in Marvel 3 is like Ryu in SF4. Solid, can do everything, teaches you fundamentals to many degrees, but hard to master due to the many dimensions of the game and the character. The only thing that Wesker can't teach you to do is to move in the air via flight and airdashing.

    Wesker has the tools to be a good character. He has a 4f low that is pretty far for a light move. He has a cr. M that is a low and an amazing whiff punish. st. H which is not only an excellent whiff punish but a solid anti-air and +1 on block. Fast teleports for mixups and getting away. Great ground dash, a 1f command grab, counters that can hurt your opponent alot if you read them correctly, and he has a gunshot that can cancel into teleport or THC.

    He has alot going for him, but he has some weaknesses to his game. His air control isn't very spectacular. He can control normal jump height but anything higher than that, he has trouble. He also has pretty average damage solo.

    Anyway, he has alot of fucking tools. He's good character to pick up to learn the game at a fundamental level. The only thing he's missing is air movement outside of his teleport. This is why you should also pick a flight character to go along with Wesker. This is where Magneto comes in.

    Magneto has every tool Wesker has except a teleport and a command grab. He has a 4f jab and low. cr. M which is good for whiff punishing. st. H which is a good and far anti-air. Great ground dash. But what Magneto has that makes him better than Wesker is that Magneto has a high low mixup with his tridashing. He can go high, low, or cross-up. He also has an air fireball that puts him at like +20 on block, which is more than most air attacks. Magneto has a flight mode to fly around with. I didn't even list all of Magneto's tools because he has alot.

    If I were to pick a team for a beginner, it would be Wesker/Magneto/Vergil. It has everything a good team needs minus good air control with Wesker. It even has TAC infinites, and quite easy ones too lol. It has good damage for Wesker, a beam for mixups with Vergil and Wesker, and Vergil to stink it up with his greatness.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 55,372 mod
    edited June 2013
    Just for correction, Wesker's c.L is 5 frame start up. Morrigan and Captain America are examples of characters that have low hitting 4 framers. 5 frame is still good of course.

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  • Blue LightningBlue Lightning Portuguese Fighter Joined: Posts: 860
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    Isn't Ammy's 4 frames also?

    EDIT: Just checked the guide and yes, it is.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 55,372 mod
    edited June 2013
    Isn't Ammy's 4 frames also?

    EDIT: Just checked the guide and yes, it is.

    Yeah I thought about it and remembered there's other characters. Zero is another I believe also. Ammy is the only character with a 3 frame normal other than Dark Phoenix I believe also.

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  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Remember me now, Yipes? Joined: Posts: 7,480
    I would say that team is better on every level with Strider instead of Vergil. Strider fixes Wesker's air control problem and provides a great use for all the meter that Wesker/Magneto is going to build. Vajra may not give Magneto much in the way of combos and conversions, but Magneto does have good tridash mix-ups as you said, so being able to force your opponent to stay grounded is still useful for Magneto. I get that you are recommending anchor Vergil because he is really easy to use, but anchor Strider is still really easy and also introduces the concept of using assists to fix your neutral, which is essential to playing about 50-75% of the cast.
  • BillBill Joined: Posts: 1,259
    edited June 2013
    Cee Dizzy wrote: »
    ^^^ There are a few characters on that I disagree on. But yeah pretty much.


    If you are starting off the game super fresh to it, I suggest people to learn Wesker or Magneto or both.

    Wesker in Marvel 3 is like Ryu in SF4. Solid, can do everything, teaches you fundamentals to many degrees, but hard to master due to the many dimensions of the game and the character. The only thing that Wesker can't teach you to do is to move in the air via flight and airdashing.

    Wesker has the tools to be a good character. He has a 4f low that is pretty far for a light move. He has a cr. M that is a low and an amazing whiff punish. st. H which is not only an excellent whiff punish but a solid anti-air and +1 on block. Fast teleports for mixups and getting away. Great ground dash, a 1f command grab, counters that can hurt your opponent alot if you read them correctly, and he has a gunshot that can cancel into teleport or THC.

    He has alot going for him, but he has some weaknesses to his game. His air control isn't very spectacular. He can control normal jump height but anything higher than that, he has trouble. He also has pretty average damage solo.

    Anyway, he has alot of fucking tools. He's good character to pick up to learn the game at a fundamental level. The only thing he's missing is air movement outside of his teleport. This is why you should also pick a flight character to go along with Wesker. This is where Magneto comes in.

    Magneto has every tool Wesker has except a teleport and a command grab. He has a 4f jab and low. cr. M which is good for whiff punishing. st. H which is a good and far anti-air. Great ground dash. But what Magneto has that makes him better than Wesker is that Magneto has a high low mixup with his tridashing. He can go high, low, or cross-up. He also has an air fireball that puts him at like +20 on block, which is more than most air attacks. Magneto has a flight mode to fly around with. I didn't even list all of Magneto's tools because he has alot.

    If I were to pick a team for a beginner, it would be Wesker/Magneto/Vergil. It has everything a good team needs minus good air control with Wesker. It even has TAC infinites, and quite easy ones too lol. It has good damage for Wesker, a beam for mixups with Vergil and Wesker, and Vergil to stink it up with his greatness.

    That team has too much derp and will lead to too many fraudulent wins for someone new to the game--it will prevent them from developing smart gameplans. A character with a one frame command grab that leads to huge damage who also has a lightning fast teleport and does huge damage with even basic combos once his glasses are off does not sound like a good way to learn fundamentals. I don't think I even need to say anything about having Vergil anchor in terms of the impact on developing fundamentals.

    I'm with Viscant on this one. His idea of starting out with Magneto/Doom/Sentinel is perfect. It encourages teaching someone to think and it will teach you the game. It's not loaded with derp--which is perfect. No teleport + assist free mixups whenever you please, no normals that can be mashed out like mad to give you a free hit when you're under pressure/don't know what to do, and no Dark anchor gimmicks to comeback after someone has outplayed you.

  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    Bill wrote: »
    That team has too much derp and will lead to too many fraudulent wins for someone new to the game--it will prevent them from developing smart gameplans. A character with a one frame command grab that leads to huge damage who also has a lightning fast teleport and does huge damage with even basic combos once his glasses are off does not sound like a good way to learn fundamentals. I don't think I even need to say anything about having Vergil anchor in terms of the impact on developing fundamentals.

    I'm with Viscant on this one. His idea of starting out with Magneto/Doom/Sentinel is perfect. It encourages teaching someone to think and it will teach you the game. It's not loaded with derp--which is perfect. No teleport + assist free mixups whenever you please, no normals that can be mashed out like mad to give you a free hit when you're under pressure/don't know what to do, and no Dark anchor gimmicks to comeback after someone has outplayed you.

    False on everything you just said.

    1. The team has derp but Wesker cannot derp in this game anymore like he use to. Marvel at a high level prevents Wesker to start all his bullshit like he use to unless Wesker plays footsies. Your spacing with him has to be A-1 to win with him, or they need to keep getting hit with dumb stuff.

    2. Wesker doing huge damage? Show me a combo where he kills Thor. Or even himself. I know of one combo that does ALMOST 1 million but that shit isn't practical at all.

    3. Vergil anchor is derp but everybody plays it and he supports Wesker more than one way. He actually has a purpose outside of derping it up in xf3.

    4. Magneto/Doom/Sentinel can teach you the game but if you say its not loaded with derp, you are wrong. Magneto with drones can get brain dead. You can call assist and play tippy toes with there head.

    5. Anchor Sentinel is actually really good and derpy.

    I was about to say for magneto play Magneto/Doom/Sentinel though.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 55,372 mod
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    Yeah Wesker was durp back during NEC11. Which even that early on the tier thread (including myself) were already shaky about keeping him as a top tier. Now he's just a character and if your opponent isn't flying above the assist for teleport mix ups and doesn't know to pushblock Wesker's normals to keep away from command grab setup, then yeah.

    The only way to learn to fight the durp really is just to use it yourself and play against people who actually know how to deal with it.

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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    I also think that Dante would be a good ass fundamental learning character if it weren't for the concept of bold canceling being really strict nowadays. Dante has really good reach with some of his normals, an airdash, decent ground dash, a teleport, good ground control and some really interesting incomings. Dante's major problem is damage. I think the best I've seen from him solo is 650k, might be 700k, which is unacceptable nowadays in this game. But a good team with good DHC's can solve that problem easily.

    So Wesker, Dante and Magneto are IMO the best characters to learn the game with, by rank of who teaches you the best, I'd have to say:

    1. Magneto
    2. Wesker
    3. Dante

    And the best teams IMO to learn the game with is:

    Wesker/Magneto/Vergil
    Magneto/Doom/Sentinel
    Dante/Doom/Sentinel
    Wesker/Dante/Magneto

    That's just me though. I would like to know Devil Jin's opinion on this.
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  • BillBill Joined: Posts: 1,259
    Cee Dizzy wrote: »
    Bill wrote: »
    That team has too much derp and will lead to too many fraudulent wins for someone new to the game--it will prevent them from developing smart gameplans. A character with a one frame command grab that leads to huge damage who also has a lightning fast teleport and does huge damage with even basic combos once his glasses are off does not sound like a good way to learn fundamentals. I don't think I even need to say anything about having Vergil anchor in terms of the impact on developing fundamentals.

    I'm with Viscant on this one. His idea of starting out with Magneto/Doom/Sentinel is perfect. It encourages teaching someone to think and it will teach you the game. It's not loaded with derp--which is perfect. No teleport + assist free mixups whenever you please, no normals that can be mashed out like mad to give you a free hit when you're under pressure/don't know what to do, and no Dark anchor gimmicks to comeback after someone has outplayed you.

    False on everything you just said.

    1. The team has derp but Wesker cannot derp in this game anymore like he use to. Marvel at a high level prevents Wesker to start all his bullshit like he use to unless Wesker plays footsies. Your spacing with him has to be A-1 to win with him, or they need to keep getting hit with dumb stuff.

    2. Wesker doing huge damage? Show me a combo where he kills Thor. Or even himself. I know of one combo that does ALMOST 1 million but that shit isn't practical at all.

    3. Vergil anchor is derp but everybody plays it and he supports Wesker more than one way. He actually has a purpose outside of derping it up in xf3.

    4. Magneto/Doom/Sentinel can teach you the game but if you say its not loaded with derp, you are wrong. Magneto with drones can get brain dead. You can call assist and play tippy toes with there head.

    5. Anchor Sentinel is actually really good and derpy.

    I was about to say for magneto play Magneto/Doom/Sentinel though.


    WTH? Is this thread aimed at beginners or for someone trying to win EVO 2013? Everything you said only applies to the game as it is played at an extremely high level.

    1. Wesker can derp like mad at levels that aren't high--and he does fine even at a high level. But again why in world are we talking about high level Marvel? I thought the title was the Marvel basics thread. Port + assist is brutal at a low level of play and even at a high level it's great. Wesker is left at frame advantage after a port + assist and he has a 1 frame command grab. That means he's 100 % safe after any port + beam/projectile assist AND if they press a button after blocking his crouching light will always win out. And if they continue blocking they will get command grabbed. That's an absurdly favorable scenario for something as braindead as port + assist and will slaughter other beginning players. Completely negating the incentive to learn strategies etc.

    2. Wesker easily does 800-900K for one bar and no assists--that's great. Add on assists and you can get 1 mill or of course you can just DHC. You're using the fact that a character can't kill Thor as a sign that he doesn't do a lot of damage? That's an absurd standard for someone at the beginner level.

    3. Doesn't matter--he encourages awful habits and will lead to a slew of wins just by x factoring and using swords.

    4. Magneto with drones is a joke for a beginner level player. First beam assists maul the drones and the majority of players, even beginners, run one beam assist. Making matters worse, even if the beginner confirms after the drones, it won't matter because he won't be doing more than 400K anyway--if he's lucky--because all of Magneto's combos that do any damage are some of the hardest bnbs in the game. A beginner isn't landing the hyper grav loop, will have a hard time with his basic fly combo, and won't have 3 bars every time they get a hit to gravity squeeze. Using Magneto as a beginner will cause you to get slaughtered; but you will learn a lot.


    5. I actually kind of agree with this. But it isn't anywhere near the level of Vergil.
  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    Bill wrote: »
    WTH? Is this thread aimed at beginners or for someone trying to win EVO 2013? Everything you said only applies to the game as it is played at an extremely high level.

    1. Wesker can derp like mad at levels that aren't high--and he does fine even at a high level. But again why in world are we talking about high level Marvel? I thought the title was the Marvel basics thread. Port + assist is brutal at a low level of play and even at a high level it's great. Wesker is left at frame advantage after a port + assist and he has a 1 frame command grab. That means he's 100 % safe after any port + beam/projectile assist AND if they press a button after blocking his crouching light will always win out. And if they continue blocking they will get command grabbed. That's an absurdly favorable scenario for something as braindead as port + assist and will slaughter other beginning players. Completely negating the incentive to learn strategies etc.

    2. Wesker easily does 800-900K for one bar and no assists--that's great. Add on assists and you can get 1 mill or of course you can just DHC. You're using the fact that a character can't kill Thor as a sign that he doesn't do a lot of damage? That's an absurd standard for someone at the beginner level.

    3. Doesn't matter--he encourages awful habits and will lead to a slew of wins just by x factoring and using swords.

    4. Magneto with drones is a joke for a beginner level player. First beam assists maul the drones and the majority of players, even beginners, run one beam assist. Making matters worse, even if the beginner confirms after the drones, it won't matter because he won't be doing more than 400K anyway--if he's lucky--because all of Magneto's combos that do any damage are some of the hardest bnbs in the game. A beginner isn't landing the hyper grav loop, will have a hard time with his basic fly combo, and won't have 3 bars every time they get a hit to gravity squeeze. Using Magneto as a beginner will cause you to get slaughtered; but you will learn a lot.


    5. I actually kind of agree with this. But it isn't anywhere near the level of Vergil.
    You will learn from the basics of moving, to combo creation, to team compositions and even advanced tactics of the insanity that this game is

    That answers your question.

    1. If you can pushblock and jump against Wesker, you win. Spacing and whiff punishing is how you win against Wesker.

    2. Wesker does 850k without glasses and 750k with glasses. That is his max optimal BNB off a low. You'd be lucky if you get 900k with 2 assists. Stop it.

    3. What you just said was retarded. Its like saying Sentinel taught you bad habits because he was so good and oppressive. Vergil is a good character and I think that he helps Wesker out in many ways, so stop it.

    4. LOL. Magneto/Drones is a joke? Play Ray Ray and come back to me.

    5. No he's not, but he's still fucking derpy and you are lying to yourself if you think that playing Vergil wouldn't teach you the game.

    In conclusion, stop it.
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  • BillBill Joined: Posts: 1,259
    Cee Dizzy wrote: »
    Bill wrote: »
    WTH? Is this thread aimed at beginners or for someone trying to win EVO 2013? Everything you said only applies to the game as it is played at an extremely high level.

    1. Wesker can derp like mad at levels that aren't high--and he does fine even at a high level. But again why in world are we talking about high level Marvel? I thought the title was the Marvel basics thread. Port + assist is brutal at a low level of play and even at a high level it's great. Wesker is left at frame advantage after a port + assist and he has a 1 frame command grab. That means he's 100 % safe after any port + beam/projectile assist AND if they press a button after blocking his crouching light will always win out. And if they continue blocking they will get command grabbed. That's an absurdly favorable scenario for something as braindead as port + assist and will slaughter other beginning players. Completely negating the incentive to learn strategies etc.

    2. Wesker easily does 800-900K for one bar and no assists--that's great. Add on assists and you can get 1 mill or of course you can just DHC. You're using the fact that a character can't kill Thor as a sign that he doesn't do a lot of damage? That's an absurd standard for someone at the beginner level.

    3. Doesn't matter--he encourages awful habits and will lead to a slew of wins just by x factoring and using swords.

    4. Magneto with drones is a joke for a beginner level player. First beam assists maul the drones and the majority of players, even beginners, run one beam assist. Making matters worse, even if the beginner confirms after the drones, it won't matter because he won't be doing more than 400K anyway--if he's lucky--because all of Magneto's combos that do any damage are some of the hardest bnbs in the game. A beginner isn't landing the hyper grav loop, will have a hard time with his basic fly combo, and won't have 3 bars every time they get a hit to gravity squeeze. Using Magneto as a beginner will cause you to get slaughtered; but you will learn a lot.


    5. I actually kind of agree with this. But it isn't anywhere near the level of Vergil.
    You will learn from the basics of moving, to combo creation, to team compositions and even advanced tactics of the insanity that this game is

    That answers your question.

    1. If you can pushblock and jump against Wesker, you win. Spacing and whiff punishing is how you win against Wesker.

    2. Wesker does 850k without glasses and 750k with glasses. That is his max optimal BNB off a low. You'd be lucky if you get 900k with 2 assists. Stop it.

    3. What you just said was retarded. Its like saying Sentinel taught you bad habits because he was so good and oppressive. Vergil is a good character and I think that he helps Wesker out in many ways, so stop it.

    4. LOL. Magneto/Drones is a joke? Play Ray Ray and come back to me.

    5. No he's not, but he's still fucking derpy and you are lying to yourself if you think that playing Vergil wouldn't teach you the game.

    In conclusion, stop it.

    1. LOL no that's a free air throw into another combo which can also lead into a reset

    2. I'm talking about with a DHC--very few characters hit 900K by themselves.

    3. No it's not "retarded" as you so eloquently put it. A character like Vergil has many "get out of jail free" cards that encourage horrible habits. For example he heavily encourages mashing because his normals have absurd priority and absurd hitboxes. If you are having trouble against an opponent simply mashing H, S oftentimes will not only save you, but will actually give you a happy birthday as well. Same thing with spiral swords, It encourages someone who doesn't have a strategy or understand proper neutral actions to just activate spiral swords and go in because many characters don't have an option against that. It's not about simply being a strong character, Magneto is very strong, but you can't just mash on his normals when you're in trouble or activate a super that prevents your opponent from doing anything until it's expired. You have to block, think, attack when it's safe, develop a gameplan etc.

    OBVIOUSLY if you're playing against Filipino Champ or Yipes that will not work lol, before you bring up that kind of argument again. I am talking about BEGINNERS.

    4. LOL your reading comp is atrocious--within the first sentence I said BEGINNERS. No shit one of the world's best players is oppressive with Magneto drones. The point is that this is aimed at BEGINNERS. A beginner is going to get slaughtered playing Magneto point with any assist--it really doesn't matter.

    5. Honestly, the first part of this sentence is completely incoherent--it's inconsistent with your first post and my response to it. And if by teach, you mean show someone how to X factor, activate swords, activate devil trigger, and then rapid slash and teleport until they get a hit then yes it will "teach" them the game.


    All that being said this isn't the place for a debate since it's to help people so I'm just going to leave it at that. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion about a video game anyway lol.
  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    ^^^^ To everything you just said, you are wrong again and you are not thinking. I thought I was bad at arguing. You make me sound like a lawyer.

    And again, stop it.
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  • TheDarkPhoenixTheDarkPhoenix BEHOLD! Joined: Posts: 12,425 mod
    Any tips on backwards wave dashing (non plink) I fail so hard at it, I get a super or special 100% of the time.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 55,372 mod
    Well if you ask me...this is Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and they made the game to be accessible while still being as cheap as possible. This isn't a game to be telling people what to pick or who to pick to start out with. You don't tell people to start gangbanging in the hood with something fair like a tall bucket or a knife to work on their gang fundamentals. If the dudes out there are using guns and ducking behind cars, you do the same. If you don't, you will probably die a lot faster. That's life, that's also Marvel.

    You're going to pick some "fundamentals" team to learn the game or whatever the fuck and then fight PR Rog who's going to go HAM with Wolverine/Doom/Vergil and you're either going to have to learn how to fundamentally deal with it or just pick up what he's doing also. Which even a player like him who just goes in with a character who does that well with horizontal assist, he still is going to land hits more consistently than other players and his execution is pretty strong for someone who uses a team like that. If Wolverine/Doom/Vergil is fucking shit up, that's a fundamental team within the game and you have to learn how to execute it or learn how to fight against it by using it or fighting against it often enough. This is a player who would beat you with any team any ways regardless of how fundamental unless you are on or near his play level.

    You don't tell people to not pick Makoto or Yun in 3S because you can bypass footsie games and grab people up with Mak or sit back and build meter until you win footsie wars with Genei Jin. No...that's just the way the game fucking works and you either pick a character with strong footsies to work against it or pick another character that just goes in before they get their shit started. Each character is still a fundamental tool within the game and it's on you to figure out how to use your tools against the other cast.



    It really doesn't matter how durpy or not so fundamental of a character/team a beginner picks up. Eventually they're going to play against someone who plays a team that has options to deal with obvious teleport+assist setups where the beginner isn't caring when or why they throw out the assist vs. the opponent. Especially if the other person is playing a character like Magneto who can just fly around and H/S swat the Strider assist or just flat out move around it while staying above beam and drones assists. They will learn to stop mashing helm breakers on incoming and during the neutral when the opponent meaties or chicken blocks and punishes enough times. If you pick a specific type of team you're just going to run into players who use those "non fundamental" teams any ways. There's a way to play dirty with every team and there really isn't much any character in this game that doesn't have something yolo that you should just do cuz it works.

    The game is in fighting against all of it long enough to learn specific options in the neutral for dealing with it before you are the one taking the incoming mix up.

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  • Cee DizzyCee Dizzy The shit I don't like Joined: Posts: 3,408
    Any tips on backwards wave dashing (non plink) I fail so hard at it, I get a super or special 100% of the time.
    1. Your signature is fucking godlike

    2. Backwards wavedashing is just simply back, dash, downback. The best thing I can tell you is to go really slow at first then pick it up in speed as you go. I had trouble with it and I had to go extremely slow in order to get it down.
    Well if you ask me...this is Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and they made the game to be accessible while still being as cheap as possible. This isn't a game to be telling people what to pick or who to pick to start out with. You don't tell people to start gangbanging in the hood with something fair like a tall bucket or a knife to work on their gang fundamentals. If the dudes out there are using guns and ducking behind cars, you do the same. If you don't, you will probably die a lot faster. That's life, that's also Marvel.

    You're going to pick some "fundamentals" team to learn the game or whatever the fuck and then fight PR Rog who's going to go HAM with Wolverine/Doom/Vergil and you're either going to have to learn how to fundamentally deal with it or just pick up what he's doing also. Which even a player like him who just goes in with a character who does that well with horizontal assist, he still is going to land hits more consistently than other players and his execution is pretty strong for someone who uses a team like that. If Wolverine/Doom/Vergil is fucking shit up, that's a fundamental team within the game and you have to learn how to execute it or learn how to fight against it by using it or fighting against it often enough. This is a player who would beat you with any team any ways regardless of how fundamental unless you are on or near his play level.

    You don't tell people to not pick Makoto or Yun in 3S because you can bypass footsie games and grab people up with Mak or sit back and build meter until you win footsie wars with Genei Jin. No...that's just the way the game fucking works and you either pick a character with strong footsies to work against it or pick another character that just goes in before they get their shit started. Each character is still a fundamental tool within the game and it's on you to figure out how to use your tools against the other cast.



    It really doesn't matter how durpy or not so fundamental of a character/team a beginner picks up. Eventually they're going to play against someone who plays a team that has options to deal with obvious teleport+assist setups where the beginner isn't caring when or why they throw out the assist vs. the opponent. Especially if the other person is playing a character like Magneto who can just fly around and H/S swat the Strider assist or just flat out move around it while staying above beam and drones assists. They will learn to stop mashing helm breakers on incoming and during the neutral when the opponent meaties or chicken blocks and punishes enough times. If you pick a specific type of team you're just going to run into players who use those "non fundamental" teams any ways. There's a way to play dirty with every team and there really isn't much any character in this game that doesn't have something yolo that you should just do cuz it works.

    The game is in fighting against all of it long enough to learn specific options in the neutral for dealing with it before you are the one taking the incoming mix up.

    You are 100% right sir.
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