SFIV Chun Li General - Fellowship of the Thigh v.2

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  • Wii Wh1ppetWii Wh1ppet Why so serious? Joined: Posts: 1,068
    Sticky this and delete the other one? Or at least archive it or something... But I'd say at least sticky this, also nice pic :)
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    Stickied.
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
    do you think we should link to the old thread in the OP just so incase theres something useful in the old thread?
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 35,550 mod
    do you think we should link to the old thread in the OP just so incase theres something useful in the old thread?
    Added. Would really be better if photon/4neqs just did this and spent less time rubbing his face on that jpeg.
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  • MalvadiscoMalvadisco Marambio Joined: Posts: 2,967
    edited April 2013
    im going to do another OS / safejump thread to avoid the whole "html vortex"
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
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    I wonder if there are any opportunities for FADC option selects. For example, do a FA with meter thats CLOSE to ultra buffer the ultra from a dash, if they hit you while in FA the ultra punishes, if they didnt, you simply back dash.

    It works on guiles sweep, but good guile players dont really use that too much. Also, it works on Akuma if he sweeps and tries to demon you, but thats way too specific to try. Its either not viable or I'm not being creative enough.
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  • MalvadiscoMalvadisco Marambio Joined: Posts: 2,967
    I wonder if there are any opportunities for FADC option selects. For example, do a FA with meter thats CLOSE to ultra buffer the ultra from a dash, if they hit you while in FA the ultra punishes, if they didnt, you simply back dash.

    It works on guiles sweep, but good guile players dont really use that too much. Also, it works on Akuma if he sweeps and tries to demon you, but thats way too specific to try. Its either not viable or I'm not being creative enough.

    can you elaborate a little more? im not following your idea.
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
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    Malvadisco wrote: »
    I wonder if there are any opportunities for FADC option selects. For example, do a FA with meter thats CLOSE to ultra buffer the ultra from a dash, if they hit you while in FA the ultra punishes, if they didnt, you simply back dash.

    It works on guiles sweep, but good guile players dont really use that too much. Also, it works on Akuma if he sweeps and tries to demon you, but thats way too specific to try. Its either not viable or I'm not being creative enough.

    can you elaborate a little more? im not following your idea.

    Okay so, imagine a situation where you have enough ultra meter built to the point where if you take focus damage from any non armor breaking move it will give you access to ultra (indicating that this would be more useful in a footsie range, in a range specifically where slower normals are thrown out more, sweeps etc). You can do a dash followed by the ultra, if the opponent hit you, the ultra comes out and hits them, if not, you simply do a dash (because the ultra meter isnt built, thus no ultra can come out)

    You know how with Chun you can do backdash ultra? Well, if you do specifically what I talked about above, you can do an option select against guiles sweep. If he sweeps you during a FA, you punish him with ultra, if not, you just back dashed. Problem is, any guile player worth anything wont really use that normal. It also works on Akuma, but ONLY if he does his sweep cancelling into demon, which, isnt always the case, and I suspect it works on T Hawks sweep as well. I wanted to find some interesting setups with this idea, but I couldn't really think of any.

    Maybe it could work for cr.mk into hado, since it isnt a true block string, fadc after cr.mk, while doing the ultra motion, if they did a fireball, it punishes, but this seems difficult.

    Perhaps in close range against a shoto if they throw out a non ex fireball where it would be too hard to react and jump over?

    I was thinking of stuff like this because option selects that depend on meter not being full exist in 3s, and I was trying to see if we can come up with anything good for sf4.
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  • ExvarisExvaris Arcade ∞ Joined: Posts: 2,879
    This is somewhat related, but how exactly do you pull off backdash Ultra? I know it's possible, but I could never quite figure out the timing on it.

    Charge :b:, then :f::b::b::f:? Whenever I try that it doesn't work for me.

    Unless you're talking about Focus Backdash Ultra where you mask the inputs in the Focus Attack.

    Also, new directional input smileys are awful.
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  • MalvadiscoMalvadisco Marambio Joined: Posts: 2,967
    SnakeAes wrote: »
    This is somewhat related, but how exactly do you pull off backdash Ultra? I know it's possible, but I could never quite figure out the timing on it.

    Charge :b:, then :f::b::b::f:? Whenever I try that it doesn't work for me.

    Unless you're talking about Focus Backdash Ultra where you mask the inputs in the Focus Attack.

    Also, new directional input smileys are awful.

    i havent done ultra after a raw backdash, i have donde focus backdash into ultra tho.

    necro you want to do something like this?



    but with bacdash? idk im pretty sure you cant punish that many things like that.
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  • Wii Wh1ppetWii Wh1ppet Why so serious? Joined: Posts: 1,068
    So its not an option select then, you mean focus backdash and buffer ultra, its mainly useful for baiting and punishing focus (as in HSU focus'). Or am I missing something and you are OS'ing it? Just seems like everyone is on about a buffered Ultra, which in itself isn't new and has had discussion about it before.

    Its interesting and has a few uses
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  • Darklightjg1Darklightjg1 Dr. SuessLight Joined: Posts: 3,599
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    The OS is in the meter gain. If you gain no meter from absorption, you simply backdash even though you do the input for the focus backdash ultra. The problem is this doesn't punish a lot of things as people have been saying. It'll work on something like cr. mk xx fireball.. but that's entirely reliant on your opponent throwing the fireball.
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
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    Malvadisco wrote: »
    SnakeAes wrote: »
    This is somewhat related, but how exactly do you pull off backdash Ultra? I know it's possible, but I could never quite figure out the timing on it.

    Charge :b:, then :f::b::b::f:? Whenever I try that it doesn't work for me.

    Unless you're talking about Focus Backdash Ultra where you mask the inputs in the Focus Attack.

    Also, new directional input smileys are awful.

    i havent done ultra after a raw backdash, i have donde focus backdash into ultra tho.

    necro you want to do something like this?



    but with bacdash? idk im pretty sure you cant punish that many things like that.

    yup something like that, but like I said, you would do it without enough meter for an ultra, if they hit you during focus, the inputs you do cause an ultra.

    One area that I think may be useful is actually for close fireballs that would be too hard to react to, so you simply try to predict it, and if the fireball hit you during FA, you will do an ultra.


    It can also be done with a forward dash, but rushing in like that in close corners may be risky.
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
    SnakeAes wrote: »
    This is somewhat related, but how exactly do you pull off backdash Ultra? I know it's possible, but I could never quite figure out the timing on it.

    Charge :b:, then :f::b::b::f:? Whenever I try that it doesn't work for me.

    Unless you're talking about Focus Backdash Ultra where you mask the inputs in the Focus Attack.

    Also, new directional input smileys are awful.

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  • ExvarisExvaris Arcade ∞ Joined: Posts: 2,879
    edited April 2013
    ^ Right, that is the method I was talking about. I thought you meant raw backdash into U1 earlier.

    I think the applications for it are limited, but considering that her forward dash takes fewer frames than her backdash, why wouldn't you just use forward dash instead?

    Somewhere buried in the Chun forum is a thread I made on Focus Ultra, and how it has (somewhat) weird properties about being able to punish more things than maybe it should (although now I'm pretty sure it's just related to how frame data gets manipulated). Not sure if that would be helpful but I can probably find it and link it.
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  • MalvadiscoMalvadisco Marambio Joined: Posts: 2,967
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    SnakeAes wrote: »
    ^ Right, that is the method I was talking about. I thought you meant raw backdash into U1 earlier.

    I think the applications for it are limited, but considering that her forward dash takes fewer frames than her backdash, why wouldn't you just use forward dash instead?

    Somewhere buried in the Chun forum is a thread I made on Focus Ultra, and how it has (somewhat) weird properties about being able to punish more things than maybe it should (although now I'm pretty sure it's just related to how frame data gets manipulated). Not sure if that would be helpful but I can probably find it and link it.

    actually it does have some science and sorcery mix.

    every time you absorb an attack you gain +3 frame advantage, so you could "technically" punish things that are -5/-4 with forward dash into hosenka.

    The thing is you CANT use blockstun for this, because you are not blocking nor you are being hit, you are absorbing and you need to take into account things like hitstop and what not so thats the sorcery part, from my testing from that video i couldnt punish anything from guile besides cr.hk so recovery time on the poke plays a huge role too.
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  • c_nulc_nul C'est cool Joined: Posts: 540
    If i remember when you do a focus and your opponent hit you, you can start moving before your opponent. An old japanese guide said you have 3 frames to move before your opponent left the hitstop too but after some test i found only 2 frames.

    Also you have to wait 4 frames when you do a focus before you can cancel it with a dash

    So if i resume fastly, in a good situation (you started your focus since more than 4 frames) your dash forward can be 14-2 =12 frames in the eyes of your opponent
    and your backdash 21-2=19 frames

    what true blockstring has a gap of 12 frames at least ?
    What blocktring can i bait for sure if i focus in front of my enemy ? If this blockstring has a small gap (less than 12 frames), can the backdash be an alternative ? (19+7 frames for U1)
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    c_nul wrote: »
    If i remember when you do a focus and your opponent hit you, you can start moving before your opponent. An old japanese guide said you have 3 frames to move before your opponent left the hitstop too but after some test i found only 2 frames.

    Also you have to wait 4 frames when you do a focus before you can cancel it with a dash

    So if i resume fastly, in a good situation (you started your focus since more than 4 frames) your dash forward can be 14-2 =12 frames in the eyes of your opponent
    and your backdash 21-2=19 frames

    what true blockstring has a gap of 12 frames at least ?
    What blocktring can i bait for sure if i focus in front of my enemy ? If this blockstring has a small gap (less than 12 frames), can the backdash be an alternative ? (19+7 frames for U1)

    cr.lp xx hazanshu lol
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    d3v wrote: »
    Stickied.

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    Standard cop outfit would be a great alt. I wonder if anyone made such alts for the PC version already.

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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
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    so a tournament that I was planning on going to requires that if you win, in addition to keeping your character, you cant switch ultras (even if you get counter picked). How would you guys deal with such a thing with the intention of playing Chun? Hell, even Akuma doesn't really work here because some matches are really meant to use U2. Should I Cammy/Ryu ? :\
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  • Darklightjg1Darklightjg1 Dr. SuessLight Joined: Posts: 3,599
    I'd either argue for the ultra switch or go with Ryu since his ultra is way more versatile. That rule is BS though.
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    I'm currently arguing, I brought up the evo rules so let's see. If they don't budge I'm probably just not gonna go because the rule makes no sense at all.
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  • PaolochunPaolochun so that I / can say I'm on your side Joined: Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    No sense, argue the Ultra change. If not then def Ryu
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
    edited April 2013
    so you guys know the os vs viper that nashfan came up with, the one off forward throw?

    Whats a good setup after chun does the sweep? By that I mean, Viper does something that gets her swept from the OS.
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  • PaolochunPaolochun so that I / can say I'm on your side Joined: Posts: 11,306 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
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    This one? I can't seem to find the Viper specific video.



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    this one
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  • MalvadiscoMalvadisco Marambio Joined: Posts: 2,967
    from a sweep you can do one of 3 things:

    meeks safe jump

    meaty cr.mk

    meaty cr.lp os cl.hk

    the safe jump loses to hp tk feint, meaty cr.mk makes hp tk whiff but you cant really punish wake up BK, meaty cr.lp loses to hp tk feint but you can get a CH cl.hk against Ex seismo and you can get another sweep against viper with this bnb

    CH cl.HK, cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.hk

    the 2nd jab hit her with the second active making +7
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
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    thanks
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
    4neqs wrote: »
    No sense, argue the Ultra change. If not then def Ryu

    Good news, they changed the ultra rule, so now I'll be using Chun at the "DustBowl" which is apparently one of the bigger tournaments that isn't a major. There will be streams and stuff.

    Hopefully I do well, playing in tournaments can be nerve wracking though, still learning how to deal with that as opposed a first to 5 setup.
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  • thesunlightmanthesunlightman aka RAV Joined: Posts: 19
    lol, i'm going to Dustbowl and playing Chun too. it's really not that big, i think there were around 25 AE entrants last time i was there. Manged to get 5th
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    Oh well then I was lied to lol. But either way I'll be there.

    I actually ran a tournament on the same day as dust bowl and a bunch of people told me how big of a mistake that was as its a really big nonmajor. But we had 30 people.
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  • AzraelAzrael Epic Calling! Joined: Posts: 3,258
    edited April 2013


    Me fighting KSK's Abel at 1:47. I definitely could have won, made some stupid mistakes. I was whiffing throw all night, I don't know why.

    I fought Naruo's Evil Ryu in casuals. Got murdered. You can't make a mistake against him because he will get max damage out of every opportunity. I did a footsie Hasanshu once and he reacted with U2. I didn't realize it was Naruo at first then at one point I was like "This dude is pretty GDLK...Okay, this is Naruo." He's also very on-point with his footsies and doesn't make mistakes. Also, a pretty nice guy overall. Other than him I did fairly well in casuals but I wish I could have done better in the tournament. Had we gotten past KSK we would have had to deal with Dogura's Bison though.

    Torem_Kamina:

    Definitely need to work that EX Tatsu wake-up into my gameplan. Sacrificing damage and stun meter for psychological damage. That's some next level shit right there.

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    naruo is one of my fav e.ryu players <3

    some goes for dogura <3
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    I thought Dogura was a Bison (Dictator) player?

    He fucked up Victheslik (close personal friend) in the Bison/Bison mirror at EVO last year. Sadface.
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    edited April 2013
    Also on a random note, I was playing against a really good Gen player on PC the other day.. after winning a few rounds against him (all very close, what I'd consider pretty good games), he messaged me saying I was terrible and that he would counter-pick and destroy me.

    He picked Honda. Like, what?

    I mean I don't deny that there are certainly good Honda players, or that against an extremely skilled and smart player, Chun can lose to Honda. But unless you're Mike Ross or one of the top Honda players from Japan, I ain't scared.

    Dude proceeded with typical online Honda gimmicks, buttslam into headbutt, buttslam into command throw, buttslam into buttslam... lol. He ended up losing the next couple matches and then stopped joining my games. Just thought I'd share since it made me laugh.
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  • MalvadiscoMalvadisco Marambio Joined: Posts: 2,967
    honda can win some fights, but that doenst mean he destroy chun, in fact is very similar to the gief mu. But to me is a solid 6-4 chun adv.

    some hondas can be a pain to play against tho. He can take a few kicks before going down.
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,594
    The PC community is pretty unskilled, with the exception of a few people. The few gems that I find on there probably struggle to find matches where they have to try.
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  • ExvarisExvaris Arcade ∞ Joined: Posts: 2,879
    In general I feel like I've seen decent players online... it feels like once you get into the B grade and above (not that BP actually means anything, but in terms of the game's matchmaking it kind of does), players get... okay.
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    The PC community is pretty unskilled, with the exception of a few people. The few gems that I find on there probably struggle to find matches where they have to try.

    pretty unskill? man how i wish i could feed this gay to the walkers....
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    The PC community is pretty unskilled, with the exception of a few people. The few gems that I find on there probably struggle to find matches where they have to try.

    pretty unskill? man how i wish i could feed this gay to the walkers....

    why don't you just money match him?
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    sounds good to me lol.
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    Chun boards been lookin like a ghost town the past couple of days.
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    sf4 is gettin old this is the natural course me thinks.
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    Dudes getting old too, work (and going home and being a family man) getting in the way and stuff, going by the Facebook rumblings. :shake:

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    SnakeAes wrote: »
    Chun boards been lookin like a ghost town the past couple of days.

    i dont care really
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