The Brokest Character in the Game: Uncle Sensei General Discussion

UltraDavidUltraDavid commenta..ttorney??Joined: Posts: 6,053
edited August 2013 in Uncle Sensei
Yay let's talk about Uncle Sensei!

I know the game isn't officially out, but I've been getting a bunch of practice in on the compatibility test beta. So far I think he's one of the best characters in the game. I've talked with other people who have the beta, including Skisonic, G, and Kerahime, and they all think he's top tier or even the best. The game is still very new so we'll have to see how things develop, but I don't ever see him being bad.
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  • UltraDavidUltraDavid commenta..ttorney?? Joined: Posts: 6,053
    edited August 2013
    My thoughts on matchups so far:

    Baz: 7-3: Sensei can stay above lightning pretty well and can chase the Baz down when he's trying to build meter. In punch stance he can meet the Baz horizontally in the air or force the Baz into the corner, or if he jumps and Baz charges lightning he can divepunch horizontally safely over the lightning unless he's too far down in his jump arc. If he flies over on top of Baz with divepunch, he can land on Baz with stance switch divekick. Baz's kickfactor is amazing in most matchups but for Sensei a simple superjump into divepunch basically negates it. If Baz starts his kickfactor with the same kick that kills you, unlike most characters at the start of the next round you can jump over or even kickback over his attempt to rush into you. And he cannot headshot except with his air special mighty swing, so he can't take away your meter. As long as you stay away from grounded kick stance as much as possible because your legs are so high in the air, this doesn't seem very hard.

    Dive: 6-4: Dive controls the space in front of him pretty well with normal dive into kick and short hop into kick, but Sensei can out range both of them with divepunch and controls space better than Dive. Dive also doesn't have very good backward movement and Sensei is great at chasing down. Terminal velocity keeps this matchup from being any worse.

    Jefailey: 8-2: Pick yolo gem, he starts out with a giant head. If you can get a headshot, the next 4 headshots are guaranteed, and the chances of you getting a headshot are pretty solid. If you win the first round without a headshot, you should have meter for superjump at the start of the second round, so just do superjump into divepunch into stance switch divekick for a headshot in the second round. He can pick yolo gem himself or even just dive gem to jump up and meet you in the first round. But I still think Sensei should be able to win the first round whether with headshot or no, and if he does, I think the next 4 rounds are pretty simple.

    Kenny: 6-4: Sensei crushes a couple of his stances. Seems like he's mostly a threat when he has more horizontal movement stances so that he can throw a spirit bullet and chase you down, but Sensei is better than most at dealing with these. You can kickback out of the way of the bullet then superjump way up to the top of the screen where horizontal stances can't really hit you, then run out of the corner with top of the screen divepunch. If he releases the bullet closer to you, you can react with superjump divekick because there's some significant startup to the bullet. As for the individual stances, use the same ideas as with the characters themselves, except don't worry much about Sensei stance and don't worry about things like feint or marneto or fly when he's in the air in those stances. Also rmember that he's shorter on the ground than other characters, so some of your corner kill setups and post-headshot combos don't work as well on him.

    Kick: 5-5: Kick has better mobility than most characters, so Sensei's unreactable range isn't quite as significant. He can force rounds on Sensei with party starter, can capitalize on poor kicks by Sensei with new angle, and his kickfactor can be tough for Sensei to deal with. On the other hand, Sensei can control the air and can react to Kick's movements with divepunch or divekick. If he backs Kick up to the corner, he can get into position to set up guaranteed kills because Kick's jump is too short to get over. He can also stay away from Kick pretty well too and can almost always win timeouts with super jump divepunch into the middle of the stage.

    Kung: 6-4: Keits says he thinks Kung wins this matchup, but I don't really see it yet. Certainly when she has a rift and meter for teleport she's hard for Sensei to attack, but I don't think Sensei needs to attack. I think he can stay away, build meter, and time her out with superjump divepunch into the middle of the stage. If she tries to pressure Sensei, he can get away with super jump punchdive to move behind her or land on top of her with divekick. He can also outrange her since divepunch done low to the ground will hit people's feet, whereas from that range her kick will whiff and can't hit people's feet. Her unreactable range is a range to avoid, but that's fine, Sensei has a pretty high and far kickback and can attack well horizontally out of it with divepunch so you can stay away from her while still being a threat. If you're in punch stance and want to move backward without doing a full kickback since raw divepunch is risky against her, make sure that you stance switch at the top of your jump into divekick. That way, you'll have created some space and you'll still be a horizontal threat after landing with divepunch loaded.

    Markman: 5-5: Markman with kickbox constructed is a threat because he can kick upward as Sensei comes in from above. You have to take care about your attack angle and timing too for fear of feint. Markman moves backward pretty quickly so he can get out of Sensei's pressure. At the same time, Sensei can escape Markman pretty easily, can stay on top of him where he can't attack Sensei without the box constructed, and can strike from above. Sensei also can attack from outside Markman's range. And unfortunately for Markman, he has to spend time trying to get the ability to kick upward. The items are cool and change the match, but at least so far I haven't come across any Markman players who have actual setups in response to which ones come out. If they can make real setups with those items, that'd be a game changer I think.

    Mr. N: 6-4: He can't go in very hard, he just doesn't have the angle for it and Sensei can react to him too well with 1/3-1/2 screen divepunch. He has a very high jump and the ability to float and even jump above that with marneto into rejump, but Sensei's super jump gets him above everything to beat MrN in the air with either kick version from that same 1/3-1/2 screen range. If he goes into the air and does a kick before getting high up making you whiff over him, then oh well, his horizontal movement isn't good enough to chase you down. At the same time though, I don't think Sensei can go in very well against MrN either because MrN's kick angle is pretty useful defensively and his run into kickback is a good way to beat a poorly placed divepunch. Also, this is one of the only matchups where Sensei can't get back to midstage at the end of a round with super jump divepunch; if MrN is closer to the middle, he can wait until Sensei superjumps, float with marneto, and punish. Since MrN can shut down offense fairly well, he can concentrate on building meter, and his kickfactor is scary. You have to make sure that you maintain that 1/3-1/2 screen range so you can punish meterbuilding and offense and follow him if he runs away.

    Redacted: 7-3: Redacted cannot attack Sensei because at a smart range Sensei gets to react to anything she does. At the same time, Sensei can attack Redacted because her horizontal mobility is so poor that high up divepunch stance switch divekick is really tough for her to escape. Redacted does have to attack, because Sensei can win all time outs with super jump divepunch even from 2/3 of the way towards the corner.

    S-Kill: dunno yet, haven't played even a decent one yet :(

    Shoals: 5-5 Everyone keeps saying this is a bad matchup for Sensei, but I haven't had enough experience against top level Shoals yet to see it. So far I've been able to play pretty well against her from 3/4 screen, 1/2 screen, and right up close. From 3/4 screen you can punish bad dives and kicks and don't even really have to worry about whether she flies because of how high Sensei's jump and super jump are and how horizontal his divepunch goes. If you're 1/2 screen you can react to her moving forward by doing kickback then depending on the angle and range you can sometimes get a punchdive, or if she jumps up you can do a superjump up to meet her in the air with a divepunch or divekick, and if she did an early kick and you whiff over her then oh well, she won't be able to punish. Then closer than that is where I think she has the advantage... until you get very close to her because it's tougher for her to attack people who are close to her on the ground than it is for Sensei in kick stance. I think you have to make sure you don't overcommit to offense. Her kickback is amazing and her ground special is like a higher version of her kickback that she can kick or fly out of, so if you let loose with a bad divepunch she can escape well and punish you. I do think that it's important to build meter as soon as possible so you have superjump available for punishes and escapes as often as possible.

    Stream: 7-3: I don't really know how Stream deals with this matchup so far. Sensei can play from just outside max divepunch distance and just react to Stream. Make sure not to jump up until Stream does something in the air because his air kickback and double jump allow him to get away from or above you if you go in early. So if you just wait out an air action from him, as far as I can tell Stream just has to back up and look for a setup. Sensei has longer unreactable range, has the mobility to threaten from the air and escape Stream, can come down on Stream's head even when Stream is horizontal with divepunch stance switch divekick, can trade with Stream's feet with divepunch, etc. Just make sure you're playing from outside of Stream's unreactable range, so like 1/3 screen.

    All this said... I feel like I'm wrong about all his matchups lol. People who have had much more experience with the game than I have don't think he's as good as I do. Maybe they're right! I just need more experience to see.
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  • mcw00tymcw00ty Joined: Posts: 92
    Sensei seems like he will be labeled bad when the game comes out and then climb up the lists when people figure him out. His mid-air stance switch looks like it could lead to some mind games and bait opponents into thinking they're going to punish a stance switch or think they're safe from a certain approaches. Looking forward to messing around with him.
  • KeranataKeranata Joined: Posts: 653
    edited August 2013
    Sensei gets bodied by Shoals he's to slow to catch her and too big to run away its 3-7 maybe worse. He also has a hard time against s-kill because he can't move backwards well, it's hard for him to hit s-kills feet and his kicks are fairly easy to parry. On the plus side for that matchup getting parried doesn't result in a headshot most of the time so its not that bad. S-kill is also terrible and you can just pick dive to have a 9.9-0.1 matchup. Markman also wins because he moves backwards faster than Sensei can move forward and can punish him for trying to chase him down. Dive wins but not substantially pretty close to even. Kick wins for pretty much the same reason Markman does except that he can run away while building meter and once he's in k-factor which should only be a round or maybe two he should win. For alll the other characters it's pretty even or I don't have the experience to say one way or the other.

    Sensei is strong at moving forward methodically and punishing mistakes but can't actually deal with people who run away and build meter because he can't threaten to counter-build meter and in order to chase them down he puts himself at risk. Once they're in k-factor he also can't run away because his kickback is terrible. Overall he's pretty good but has weaknesses the other top characters don't have. He's still around 7th best though, and he does have things going for him. Its possible to win every matchup with him (Shoals is really hard to deal with though) and he does have a very high technical level to reach.

    A neat trick that Sensei players might not know of is that you can plink-kick into dive to instantly kick and change stances even if you have no meter because it will give you the 1 meter needed to swap stances. This is useful because downwards kick grounds you really fast so you can move forwards slowly without committing to an unsafe superman to move forward. This trick is also applicable to other characters but not to the same degree as it benefits Sensei.
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  • UltraDavidUltraDavid commenta..ttorney?? Joined: Posts: 6,053
    The more I play this character, the more I think he's the best. Stance switch is the best special move in the game, and imo super jump is #2.
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  • Sentient_KeyboardSentient_Keyboard Joined: Posts: 9
    edited August 2013
    I hadn't realized Uncle Sensei's mid-air stance change doesn't require meter (well, very little, a single divekick's worth). You can do the shallow divekick, change stances for free, and continue with the sharp divekick - just like Dr. Shoals. You'll land back on your feet too, so you can do it again immediately.

    What gem do you people recommend?
  • MollyFighterMollyFighter Barkley Fightan Dev Joined: Posts: 630
    I like Dive Gem. Something cool I did today against a S.Kill was after I got parried while in S1 (Stance 1), I stance switched to S2 and Kicked and I ended up hitting S.Kill while he was kicking.
  • spokesspokes Joined: Posts: 2
    i've been gemming kick for jefailey, baz, markman, redacted, and s-kill, dive for all the other matchups

    the way i see it, those are the 5 where closing distance quickly is more important than a little extra positioning, but i've been playing for all of 4 hours so i'm not sure any of this is definitely correct, just throwing my 2 cents in.
  • Jack_LanternaJack_Lanterna Joined: Posts: 129
    So far it seems to me Kick gem is almost a necessity for Uncle Sensei. After growing accostumed to it, his standard kicks seem to go in slow motion. Everytime I tried to use a different gem, I couldn't avoid feeling pretty helpless and always got blown up lol.
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    Also: it seems to me Sensei can't compete with Redacted if Sensei wants to go in. The speed of Redacted's dive and kick allows her to react to most of Sensei's attack options. On the other hand, she just can't do much to threaten Sensei without taking enormous risks if he has the better position and just wants to "timer scam".

    In conclusion: don't act like Mike Ross against Redacted.
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  • spokesspokes Joined: Posts: 2
    Yeah, even with kick gem sensei doesn't want to jump in and tussle with Red. Just slowly move backward, it takes her forever to take space and once you sj. punch over her head she cant catch you before time out.

    If she kicks from too high close sensei can easily punish with sj. kick or just regular dive kick if the spacing is right.
  • natural20snatural20s Joined: Posts: 1
    edited August 2013
    I almost always go kick gem, as Jack_Lanterna said his normal kicks are so slow it's difficult to punish and it usually leaves me open to counter attacks because it's so reactable.

    I thought dive gem might help in the Shoals matchup (imo one of his worst matchups), but it didn't seem to pan out that way. If Shoals goes dive gem too, then you still lose the height advantage and you have a very limited capability to chase her down to boot. I think you're better off trying to be in kick stance and/or super jumping if you need to get the extra height. As for why I think this is a difficult match, Shoals can take advantage of Sensei's tall height and is good at chasing him down since he doesn't run away as well as other characters.

    posted edited to correct kick/hand stance terminology
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  • TenkeiTenkei Joined: Posts: 10
    edited August 2013
    UltraDavid wrote: »
    My thoughts on matchups so far [...]
    Just to make sure, when you talk about a "superjump punch stance", do you mean the kick performed in punch stance (and thus hits with your foot) or the "kick" performed with your hands? It's a little ambiguous because you also talk about a "superjump punch dive" to describe the same technique (winning by timeout).

    As I'm sure you used the same terminology throughout the entire post, it will definitely help me better understand your advices. Thanks. ;)



  • MollyFighterMollyFighter Barkley Fightan Dev Joined: Posts: 630
    I mostly play patient against Shoals and try to punish bad kicks. Although I have yet to play a legit Shoals.
  • UltraDavidUltraDavid commenta..ttorney?? Joined: Posts: 6,053
    Tenkei wrote: »
    UltraDavid wrote: »
    My thoughts on matchups so far [...]
    Just to make sure, when you talk about a "superjump punch stance", do you mean the kick performed in punch stance (and thus hits with your foot) or the "kick" performed with your hands? It's a little ambiguous because you also talk about a "superjump punch dive" to describe the same technique (winning by timeout).

    As I'm sure you used the same terminology throughout the entire post, it will definitely help me better understand your advices. Thanks. ;)

    I meant punch dive. In my mind, punch stance is when you're standing right side up with your hands up and your feet on the ground because a kick done right out of that results in punching the opponent. Kick stance is when your feet are up and your hands are on the ground because a kick done right out of that results in kicking the opponent. In fact let's codify this right now:

    Punch stance: stand with hands up and feet down, jump with hands up and feet down, pressing kick results in a divepunch
    Kick stance: stand with feet up and hands down, jump with feet up and hands down, pressing kick results in a divekick

    Sound good? I'll edit my previous posts to reflect this.

    I definitely don't have enough experience against top level Shoals yet to really know how the matchup goes. Lots of people say it sucks for Sensei, I just haven't had a chance to see why yet unfortunately.

    So far I've been able to play pretty well against Shoals from 3/4 screen, 1/2 screen, and right up close. From 3/4 screen you can punish bad dives and kicks and don't even really have to worry about whether she flies because of how high Sensei's jump and super jump are and how horizontal his divepunch goes. If you're 1/2 screen you can react to her moving forward by doing kickback then depending on the angle and range you can sometimes get a punchdive, or if she jumps up you can do a superjump up to meet her in the air with a divepunch or divekick, and if she did an early kick and you whiff over her then oh well, she won't be able to punish. Then closer than that is where I think she has the advantage... until you get very close to her because it's tougher for her to attack people who are close to her on the ground than it is for Sensei in kick stance.

    I think you have to make sure you don't overcommit to offense. Her kickback is amazing and her ground special is like a higher version of her kickback that she can kick or fly out of, so if you let loose with a bad divepunch she can escape well and punish you.

    But I'll try to look for some good Shoals players to see what this matchup is really about.
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  • MollyFighterMollyFighter Barkley Fightan Dev Joined: Posts: 630
    One character I have trouble with is S-Kill. Don't know how to properly place myself without him being over me or whiffing him. I can take some rounds off him but when he has meter it gets a lot harder. Dive and Kick are the two I have the least trouble with online. Divepunch mostly beats Dive and Kick's divekick. So I properly space my divepunch to where it would land midscreen and ideally in the area Dive/Kick does Kickback Kick. This usually helps me corner them and go for a headshot or kill. Kickstance Kickback Kick is extremely useful against these two also.
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