The Street Fighter Plot Canon Guide development thread

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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Andyyyyyyy!! Joined: Posts: 6,135
    edited December 2013
    About Gouki using the Shun Goku Satsu on Dictator--I've always liked the idea of it being canon, mainly because it makes the story of the World Warrior tournament (which we don't know much of to begin with) interesting. However, it does seem odd that it wasn't referenced in any way in SF4, yet it was mentioned in both SNK Vs Capcom Chaos and Street Fighter X Tekken.
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  • DRWDRW Joined: Posts: 438
    DRW wrote: »
    What's actually the status of the plot canon guide? [...]
    Alright, no answer for five days. So, I assume the project is dead. That's it with the plot guide.
  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,490
    I hope that's not the case. :/ If true, it would be a pretty crappy end to a once-great resource.
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  • YagamiFireYagamiFire Hobby: Resurrection Joined: Posts: 2,799
    Sorry but I've been transitioning to a new job which has taken up a lot of my time along with the fact that I just ran a big airsoft event last weekend which required prepwork.
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  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,490
    That's cool man, just glad to hear that it's not dead.
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  • DRWDRW Joined: Posts: 438
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    That's cool man, just glad to hear that it's not dead.

    Erm, in how far did YagamiFire's post include the statement that the plot guide is not dead?
    Think about it: The new plot guide was originally supposed to be a community project and yet, only one person answered my question at all. And that person said that he doesn't have time because he's busy with his job.

    Now, don't get me wrong: I'm not complaining about YagamiFire's answer. Of course the things he does are much more important than some little internet fan project.
    I just want to say: From a purely factual viewpoint, the plot guide is basically dead. From all the original contributors that were willing to work on it, all but one didn't answer my post at all. And the one who answered said that he cannot work on it in the moment. By definition, this means nobody is working on it and there's no indication that this will happen anytime soon. I.e.: Dead.
  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,490
    I dunno dude, I think you're being a bit dramatic. People have different schedules (especially at this time of year) and can work on things behind the scenes. Plus there've been some obstacles with choosing/finding a desired version. Just because they didn't answer your question, it doesn't mean it's dead. It's more realistic to say hiatus...dead implies that everyone's given up said "to hell with this" and sworn it off. We have no evidence that this is what's come to pass. Just my thought on the matter.
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  • DRWDRW Joined: Posts: 438
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    People have different schedules (especially at this time of year) and can work on things behind the scenes.
    Sure, if some person secretly writes a new plot guide in private to publish it later, there's no way I can know this now. But I seriously doubt that a bunch of people from this forum are secretly working on a new plot guide together, especially since the new plot guide was supposed to be a community project after the big dictator was overthrown, so it would go against the new intentions if some small elite group worked on it secretly.
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    Just because they didn't answer your question, it doesn't mean it's dead.
    No, but the fact that there was never any real progress to begin with (after Vasili shut it down), that shows that the project is dead.
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    It's more realistic to say hiatus
    If you think that this is more realistic, go ahead. For me, the fact that the new plot guide basically stands at 0 % completion makes "dead" more realistic than "hiatus". I mean, not even the basics are established. It's literally 0 %.
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    dead implies that everyone's given up said "to hell with this" and sworn it off.
    Not necessarily. Dead can also mean: "We were eager to do this when the controversy with Vasili was still new and relevant. We even had the first ideas. Then Vasili came around, disallowed the use of his material and destroyed our progress. So, we waited for Tiamat's final version. But in the meantime, everybody slowly lost interest in this project for the most part. And now, the total sum of the motivation of all the potential contributors isn't enough anymore to get this started again."
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    We have no evidence that this is what's come to pass.
    We don't have any evidence that the work will continue either.
    You said it best: People have different schedules. So, unless there's some single person with enough knowledge and too much time on his hand, it's unlikely that the plot guide will ever be rewritten.
    Imagine, just for the sake of argument, that in two months, YagamiFire will decide to work on it again. Then the other members still have their own things to do. So, he might post something here, some introduction ideas. But since the reboot topic is even older then, even less people will still be interested and/or have the time for it. So, he maybe gets one or two replies in this forum. And then the whole thing will fall asleep again.
    Do you really seriously believe that one day the whole community will say: "O.k., now we will do this" and then they'll work on it again? This is the internet where new trends fade away very quickly. When they kicked Vasili's ass, everyone was excited: "Wow, finally we shut up that pretentious guy. Now, the plot guide isn't in the hands of a single person anymore. We finally have the chance to do it as a community project. Let's go!" But then, Vasili striked again and nullified their progress. So, the work was stopped and they decided to wait for Tiamat's answer. But in the meantime, the topic lost its novelty. Showing Vasili that they can do it better became less and less interesting. Time went on and the people continued living their lifes. And now, they have better stuff to do than restart that old project that was really just established because of the excitement of having it taken from Vasili's hands and do it together. Today, nobody really cares anymore for what Vasili said and did. It's old and done. And after all, we still have an elaborate plot guide. So, why should anybody bring enough motivation to actually recreate a document that already exists, months after the topic was new?

    Let's wait for another year. And then think of my words: Unless a single person took it into his hands by himself, the new plot guide will still be dead. A second plot guide as a community project? Won't happen. If someone tries to revive it, it won't go beyond the planning phase and it will quickly die down again before anything useful came out of it.
    I will write a note in my calendar for December 6th, 2014. If I haven't been disproven in the meantime, I will remind you of this post.
    I really hope I will be wrong. Because I do want to see the new plot guide. But realistically, I fear that my statements from this post will remain true.
  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,490
    Well at this point, all we can do is wait, honestly, can't do more than that or speculate. I'm a bit of an optimist from time to time, so I'll leave it at that.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,987 mod
    edited December 2013
    I'll help out here and there if asked but I probably will not actively work on the guide.

    Me and vasili10 have worked on things for the guide for years behind the scenes with me sending images of tons of old Gamest magazines and the like and in the process we became good friends.

    We still talk, I see his side of things and I wish he would elaborate more on his decision online. I don't agree with it entirely but as a friend I can see his view of things.

    This is entirely my decision so please don't put this one on vasili10 too. He doesn't mind if I help out with whatever new version the guide takes on. But since I do value our friendship which is more important to me than the guide itself I will not be taking an incredibly active role in the new incarnation.

    I do wonder, what is really the purpose of continuing the guide? I'm going to be a bit of a dick here but this is something that needs to be said.

    Azrael (who I don't even know like at all and no disrespect intended) has said that we can pretty much trust the English translations in Street Fighter IV and beyond. Let's say you believe that. If you do then what's the purpose of maintaining the guide? Read what is provided for you in English and you are fine.

    Capcom themselves releases or approves SF Eternal, the WW Encyclopedia and the recent Capcom Character Encyclopedia full of mistranslations, mistakes and errors when it comes to SF characters. This is as much as they care about SF's story for English readers and about as much as they want you to know.

    I can go deeper into detail if you want but to play nice and not names, Studio Udon doesn't want the guide around. Neither does Capcom-Unity (ask them to sticky a plot guide creation thread in the SF forum, see what happens. At best if I say it and whoever in charge over there reads this and wants to make me look stupid and sticky it, please go ahead). Most of SRK doesn't (see me posting this in the FAN FICTION FORUM).

    If you work on the guide, realize you are doing Capcom's work for free and they do not want you to do it or endorse you in any way. You are giving up your time (and it's a lot of time. Time which you can be writing a book, hell curing cancer) while Capcom is quite happy that you go with the shitty versions of translations they put out, Wikipedia and SF Wikis. And in the case of future games, you can trust the English translation in those games supposedly.

    And this is what most people do out there in the real world nowadays. People still go around saying "Righ-you." People are idiotic assholes for the most part who you can't educate if you tried. If you still say Righ-you and are playing SF4/SSF4 seriously, go kill yourself you fucking moron.

    I'm not knocking the efforts to continue this guide. It's a different generation from all of us that have worked on the older version back in the day. This generation may need its own guide and that's totally fine. Just wanted to point out things that you may or may not be aware of so you can decide how and why you wish to proceed. Know that your back is to the wall and you will find that the majority of people involved in the community will give you zero support. If this is something that empowers you I envy that enthusiasm. If this is something that dissuades you, it's entirely understandable. Perhaps these are all things you know but you should definitely be aware of them before you decide to give up tons of free time.

    As always despite my tone I am still a huge fan of Capcom properties and characters. Know that I'll always support fans and fan projects. If you ever need anything from me let me know and I'll be around.

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  • gcrostagcrosta Joined: Posts: 1
    if anyone wants to use them/read them here are some versions of the plto guide
    tiamat 4.4 version (the last) http://www.streetfightercorporation.com/street_fighter_plot.txt
    the 5.0 (last version i found) from waybackmachine http://web.archive.org/web/20120520230713/http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/variousinfopages/streetfighterplotguide.txt
  • FirestreakRodimusFirestreakRodimus Joined: Posts: 94
    thanks, it seems like the plot guide project has been silenced for different reasons.

    Maybe in another ten years when we see Street Fighter V, we'll see re-newed interest.
  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,490
    Maybe in another ten years when we see Street Fighter V, we'll see re-newed interest.
    We can only hope. :(

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  • FirestreakRodimusFirestreakRodimus Joined: Posts: 94
    I maintain they should seriously consider another SF game but not a fighting game. Make it a fighting adventure type game using the story of SF as the backdrop. There's enough material they could do it. Just avoid the mistakes of going ultra gritty like Streetwise did trying to be GTA.
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    ... I come back after years and this is happening. Now I wish that I am a billionaire so that I have the time to help to work on this with the rest of you guys...tsk...
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  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,258 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    So disappointed to come back to this community and see so much dissonance regarding the plot guide. I don't know what happened but I really hope this project did not die. I also think it is best to start from scratch, find a new way to interpret all the data and reconcile the contradictions in the plot while making the least number of assumptions in the process.

    If you guys need a writer/editor who also happens to love SF, hit me up.
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Seriously? A whole year after being given Tiamat's last draft and nothing to show for it?

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  • YagamiFireYagamiFire Hobby: Resurrection Joined: Posts: 2,799
    Sorry, Vas...but you fucked shit up in the guide so bad it A) took the wind out of peoples sails and B) is a big mess to correct.
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  • DRWDRW Joined: Posts: 438
    vasili10 wrote: »
    Seriously? A whole year after being given Tiamat's last draft and nothing to show for it?
    Seriously? A whole year after deciding not to show up here anymore and then you do it anyway, just for some generic asshole statement?
  • YagamiFireYagamiFire Hobby: Resurrection Joined: Posts: 2,799
    DRW wrote: »
    vasili10 wrote: »
    Seriously? A whole year after being given Tiamat's last draft and nothing to show for it?
    Seriously? A whole year after deciding not to show up here anymore and then you do it anyway, just for some generic asshole statement?

    No shit.

    Throws a bitch fit when he gets shown up, refuses to help and collaborate when he can't act as a total (sham of an) authority on the material...then comes back a year later to sperg out over the fact that no one has had time to fix his fucking mess. Geez, it's almost like people have lives outside the plot guide.
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    Sorry, Vas...but you fucked shit up in the guide so bad it A) took the wind out of peoples sails and B) is a big mess to correct.

    :rofl: Ooh cute, translation: "sorry but we're too lazy to back up what our mouths spouted earlier."
    DRW wrote: »
    Seriously? A whole year after deciding not to show up here anymore and then you do it anyway, just for some generic asshole statement?

    Since when is this thread Warriors Fate? I've never left from SRK, just from WF. Guess you didn't decipher the memo correctly over there...zanen datta na.
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    No shit.

    Oh but there is, on your faces. The guide is back as 5.u thanks to Capcom of Japan and Ultra Street Fighter 4, and this forum is not and will no longer be spoonfed from it.

    All lives now resumed, you're welcome.
  • YagamiFireYagamiFire Hobby: Resurrection Joined: Posts: 2,799
    edited September 2014
    Seriously, Vas you've become such a sad little troll. You had what was apparently the one thing in your life taken away under absolutely embarrassing circumstances and now the best you can do is come troll that other people haven't the time to work on the project that was your responsibility and that you abused for your own self-aggrandizement.

    No, the guide is back to where it was because of YOU and because of your actions and your inability to actually accept the advancement of Street Fighters plot in necessary ways and directions. Because things happened in the story that you didn't like you threw a fit and then tried to bury those things as if YOU could dictate what was or wasn't canon.

    No one needs to be spoon fed from you or from the plot guide. For fucks sake, I've had a better understanding of the major plot points than you BECAUSE I haven't been slavishly devoted to the plot guide as some dogma.

    Your attitude and actions over the last couple years have obliterated any respect I, and I'm sure others, could have for you. Go back to sadly lamenting the loss of any internet authority (already a pathetic concept) you may have had in your little corner of the Street Fighter world and fapping to Gouken's daughter, Vas.
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    :rofl: Aww, keep sleeping on that side of the bed dear, seeing as you can't even discern what a fit is or what a lament is.

    You think I'm a troll then why would you bother responding at all? To defend dead decisions? Just let the assumed ranting run dry and let the proven-pointless thread grow dormant once more.
  • YagamiFireYagamiFire Hobby: Resurrection Joined: Posts: 2,799
    edited September 2014
    Vas, just stop.

    The only thing looking pointless thus far is your presence here and your history with the plot guide since all your contributions were deleted by you and you've been disgraced. Either contribute or continue to have your trolling pointed out for the sad little display it is.
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    Vas, just stop.

    :rofl: After you.
  • mikrosmikros Yo, Joe! Joined: Posts: 991
    I think I’ve had a moderate stance in the whole drama. I appreciate Vasili’s work in the guide. I’ve defended his work when I’ve thought it’s been due and I’ve criticized it when I’ve thought it’s been due as well. I still think the same.

    Now, honestly, Vasili, I’ve taken a quick read to 5.u and I have to say that you’ve wasted a very good chance at showing you had learned something from “the incident”.
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    vasili10 wrote: »
    Ooh cute, translation: "sorry but we're too lazy to back up what our mouths spouted earlier."

    What exactly did their mouths spouted? Did they brag "Hey, we can do a much, much better plot guide", so that ridicule is justified? Or did they just say things like "Hm, since Vasili quit, maybe we should continue the plot guide on our own"? Because in the latter case, I don't really see any statements that require to be "backed up".
    vasili10 wrote: »
    Since when is this thread Warriors Fate? I've never left from SRK, just from WF. Guess you didn't decipher the memo correctly over there...zanen datta na.

    If we were all robots who worked on simple binary logic, you would have a point. But since we're people whose brains understand intention and context, your statement makes no sense:

    No, this isn's the Warriors' Fate thread. Nevertheless, it's a thread that directly derived from it. Not only that, but it was created specifically in the context of you leaving the plot section. Therefore, writing here contradicts your claim that you're through with it.
    Otherwise, your claim would have been pointless in the first place. Because you could always answer any statement from the Warriors' Fate thread by creating a new thread. And according to your logic, in this case you technically wouldn't have contradicted your own statement, since you hadn't posted in the Warriors' Fate thread.

    You see how nonsensical this is?
    It's like saying that you won't buy anything from a specific store again, but then you buy something from the seller when he opens a sales booth at a local fair, claiming that this doesn't contradict your statement since you were only talking about the store.
    But every person who doesn't work like a computer realizes that it really makes no difference in practice.
    vasili10 wrote: »
    The guide is back as 5.u thanks to Capcom of Japan and Ultra Street Fighter 4, and this forum is not and will no longer be spoonfed from it.

    Erm, in how far does this make a difference? Whoever desires to read it can read it and whoever desires to discuss it can discuss it. So, why is the fact that this forum won't be "spoonfed" from it a disadvantage again?

    mikros wrote: »
    Now, honestly, Vasili, I’ve taken a quick read to 5.u and I have to say that you’ve wasted a very good chance at showing you had learned something from “the incident”.

    And? Did he include some more conspiracy theories or anything noteworthy that you noticed?
  • mikrosmikros Yo, Joe! Joined: Posts: 991
    edited September 2014
    He just kept them all, the Gen and Gouken impostors, refers to Poison in masculine grammar, keeps neglecting to mention Charlie's name from SF4, etcetera, etcetera. I don't think he marked anything as speculation or did anything else to explain himself or I don't know what. It's as if nothing happened.

    I'm not sure if he added anything else of note, I just scrolled to certain parts to see how they read.
  • DRWDRW Joined: Posts: 438
    edited September 2014
    Referring to Poison as "he" never made sense to me. Would Vasili do this to real persons as well?

    If no, then why does he do it in the plot guide? Because the plot guide is based on the Japanese canon? Erm, yeah. The question with which pronouns a certain real person refers to Poison has nothing to do with canon in the first place.

    The statement "Poison is a newhalf" is a statement about canon. (For example, "Poison is 100% a woman" would be an incorrect, non-canon statement.)
    But if you or me or Vasili refers to Poison as "him" or "her" is in no way related to canon at all. (I.e. the statement "Poison uses the skills she learned in the Mad Gear Gang" is no less correct or canon than the statement "Poison uses the skills he learned in the Mad Gear Gang.")

    I mean, if he writes an essay about some 17th century novel, would he instist to say that a certain character in the story "killeth" another one instead of that he kills another one?

    Same with the plot guide: It's supposed to retell the canon facts of the Japanese canon, not to sound like it was written by a Japanese guy itself and imitate their style of narration.

    So, linking your usage of pronouns to the speaking style of the people who declare the canon of a story? That's just retarded.
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    mikros wrote: »
    Now, honestly, Vasili, I’ve taken a quick read to 5.u and I have to say that you’ve wasted a very good chance at showing you had learned something from “the incident”.

    On the contrary, mikros, 5.u reflects exactly what was learned from "the incident," in addition to keeping in accordance with CJ and USF4, and whether anyone refuses to believe any or all of these points or not.

    Any desired questions to me from this point forward, witnessing that the rabidness from WF continues to be spilled into here as well, shall be through one of the three methods of contact specified in 5.u, and no exceptions to these.

    One question asked and answered at a time per person, before moving onto another. That should be reasonable in terms of accommodating everyone, as there are already questions being posed to me and being addressed in this fashion and pattern, even as we speak.

    With this I take my posting leave from this thread as well. If anyone decides to make anything happen using Tiamat's final draft or something made from scratch, a reminder to heed Sano's post above and best of success.



  • mikrosmikros Yo, Joe! Joined: Posts: 991
    edited September 2014
    So, what you learned from the incident was that it is easier to have no public discussions and no challenges?

    Let me repeat that I truly appreciate your work, but you are taking your guide in the wrong direction. I thought that you would have used this year to take a step back, take a breath and think why most regular members in SRK and CUnity have disagreed with you in various ways, leading to the call to Azrael and the following drama we know, but I see it's all the same.
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    mikros wrote: »
    I thought that you would have used this year to take a step back, take a breath and think why most regular members in SRK and CUnity have disagreed with you in various ways

    Really? That's what you thought? If anybody had asked me what I think about Vasili's actions, then I would have predicted that he learned nothing from it and that his opinion didn't change at all.
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    edited October 2014
    I remember Vas having a big ego in yonder years, but man get your ass back here on Earth. You are NOT an authority on SF canon, even though it's obvious from your air of self-importance that you truly believe you are. I had so much respect for you for years, but honestly all you are really doing now is consciously disseminating false information into our community. You should be ashamed of yourself.
  • KataklysmicKataklysmic More Tigers! Joined: Posts: 959
    So the little fuckhead's back at it?

    That's funny. I talked to Ono in person at a San Francisco Gamestop signing back in August. Just to show you I'm not joking, here he is on my iPad.

    Photo_on_8_16_14_at_6_11_AM_3.jpg

    He said some of the Capcom staff saw the Plot Guide after the crap Vasili threw at Matt Moylan, and they pretty much all agreed that he's full of shit. "Keeping in accordance with CJ," my ass.
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  • YagamiFireYagamiFire Hobby: Resurrection Joined: Posts: 2,799
    Fucking classic.
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  • AJ1AJ1 Joined: Posts: 85
    So the little fuckhead's back at it?

    That's funny. I talked to Ono in person at a San Francisco Gamestop signing back in August. Just to show you I'm not joking, here he is on my iPad.

    Photo_on_8_16_14_at_6_11_AM_3.jpg

    He said some of the Capcom staff saw the Plot Guide after the crap Vasili threw at Matt Moylan, and they pretty much all agreed that he's full of shit. "Keeping in accordance with CJ," my ass.

    First, what's that on Ono's head, and second, when was this, because I don't recall hearing about Ono making an appearance at a Gamestop?
  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,490
    He's dressed as Hugo- note the wig, muscle suit and pink shirt.
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    Shockdingo wrote: »
    He's dressed as Hugo- note the wig, muscle suit and pink shirt.

    But was this mentioned in any newsites like IGN or whatever have you?

  • KataklysmicKataklysmic More Tigers! Joined: Posts: 959
    How did I know he'd come back just to flag people's posts? Lol.
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  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,258 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    So the little fuckhead's back at it?

    That's funny. I talked to Ono in person at a San Francisco Gamestop signing back in August. Just to show you I'm not joking, here he is on my iPad.

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    He said some of the Capcom staff saw the Plot Guide after the crap Vasili threw at Matt Moylan, and they pretty much all agreed that he's full of shit. "Keeping in accordance with CJ," my ass.

    LOL bad ass!!
  • DRWDRW Joined: Posts: 438
    Alright, here we are, one year later. (O.k., one day too early, but I guess this doesn't matter.) And this is what I wrote 12 months ago:
    DRW wrote: »
    Let's wait for another year. And then think of my words: Unless a single person took it into his hands by himself, the new plot guide will still be dead. A second plot guide as a community project? Won't happen. If someone tries to revive it, it won't go beyond the planning phase and it will quickly die down again before anything useful came out of it.

    Unlike Vasili, I don't take joy in the fact that the plot guide hasn't advanced, so I'm not quoting myself to make fun of anybody. All I want to say is: Sometimes, the pessimistic stance is the realistic one. People who think the plot guide is not dead because some users come here every few months and write a line or two are a bit too optimistic. It should be pretty clear by now that this project won't go anywhere anymore. Which is really a pity because I would have liked to see a new plot guide. But, well, that's life.
  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,490
    Man, I didn't want to agree with you, but unfortunately, I can see your point. Well, maybe now that SF5's trailer has been leaked, people's interest may be renewed? I dunno. It was good while it lasted. :/
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  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,078
    they may as well just make it officially canon that each street fighter game takes place in a day within the same tournament
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  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,490
    Hah, that would be a heck of an intense day!
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  • DRWDRW Joined: Posts: 438
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    Well, maybe now that SF5's trailer has been leaked, people's interest may be renewed?

    Eh, I don't think so.
  • DaemosDaemos Queen Bitch of the Universe Joined: Posts: 9,258 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Well if there was an opportunity to debut a new plot guide, before SF5's release would be it. We still have a bit more than a year!
  • GameMasterGameMaster Ansatsuken Warrior Joined: Posts: 85
    I'd prefer a new one be made from scratch. And I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to be treated like some big important business pitch. It's a fan creation, not an internal Capcom project.

    That'd be like slapping copyright strikes on art based off a fan character. Seems kinda silly, but I'm probably missing something.
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  • Chunli2kChunli2k Joined: Posts: 1
    First and probably last post, so just wanted to say after starting to read Tiamat's Guide (and also vasili10's shorter version 5.0) I am struck with some odd observations:

    1- The guides express negative feelings towards Capcom, and is defensive against naysayers, and it takes away from the work.
    2- The writing itself is not organized, and focuses on trivia, fan theories (gay Zangief), and has way too much information about Final Fight and the other Capcom franchises.
    3- Seriously, if the goal was to write a Canon Guide, it is not necessary to cover every Street Fighter game variation (for example, if SF: Alpha 2 overwrote SFA1, why ramble about SFA1?), nor is it necessary for UDON comic book discussions since the Guide says that they do not count anyway. There are just walls and walls of text- feels like 1995 all over again- about stuff that should have been in a trivia Wikia or Street Fighter Unauthorized History book.
    4- I would have enjoyed reading about the canon games with nice clear character bios straight from the actual game manuals, as opposed to the mind-numbing "what if?" analysis of every possible ending and possible contradictions. If the case that a retcon occurs in a game or manual, just mention it without going into OCD zone. I also was felt discussing "official" Capcom statements was a waste of time- just focus on the content from the games.
    5- Way too much drama in this thread about Japanese vs American translations, Guide copyright ownership, etc.


  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Andyyyyyyy!! Joined: Posts: 6,135
    edited December 2016
    Before you leave, consider reading this thread: http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/205641/the-inevitable-street-fighter-v-story-thread-a-shadow-falls/p1

    We've worked on a new plot guide that contains translations from various guidebooks, Capcom's own websites. There's also all sorts of other information there. Hopefully you'll give it a read before you leave.

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