The Sanwa and Seimitsu FAQ

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Cheers Paik, sorry if I wasn't very clear with my question, but you've given me the answer I needed anyway.

    edit* How do you make a recess? is there a particular tool or method for doing that? (sorry I did electrics at school instead of woodwork)
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111273

    That's my journal/tutorial on how I build my sticks. You don't want to follow it honestly because it's too advanced for you at this stage. But there is a section for mounting the joystick. Check there. If you have any ore questions post up again either here or in that thread.

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    That's my journal/tutorial on how I build my sticks. You don't want to follow it honestly because it's too advanced for you at this stage.


    OooooOOO get you! :rofl:

    Sorry I had already found that thread and had already answered my own question. Should of posted back to say i'd managed.

    So far i've got my sanwa stick and buttons ready and waiting and have cut my MDF to size this morning, found a friend that owns a router and will be over this coming week to make my recess for the stick. Cheers again for the help, much appreciated.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    T5 stick mod question:

    T5 stick mod question:
    Can I put in a sanwa LB30N instead of JLF joystick
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Yes, you can just replace the stock balltop on the T5 stick with the LB30N bat top.

    ~Paik
  • CynnikCynnik Joined: Posts: 82
    On the US T5 stick, can a seimitsu ls-32/ls-32-01 be installed? i noticed the mounting area is not the same as the hrap series as the hori stick is not mounted on with a plate so would i need the ls-32 flat mounting plate or the ls-32-01 s-shape mounting plate? or no mounting plate? thanks.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Yes, you can mount an LS-32. You will probably have to drill new holes in your mounting plate or the brackets on the T5 since I dont' believe they will align. You will want an s-shaped plate since the LS-32 has a shorter shaft and you will want it to mount as high as possible. Since you will want the s-shaped plate, I would recommend just going and getting the LS-32-01. It comes stock with the s-shaped plate and with a PCB and wires harness which make things easier anyway.

    ~Paik
  • [Roz][Roz] Joined: Posts: 78
    Just tought on hoping by and give fat props to you Paik4Life. Kickass guide. Many thanks.
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  • SlªdeSlªde Joined: Posts: 68
    How is a Sanwa BAT-top going to compare to say a Happ competition?
  • SlªdeSlªde Joined: Posts: 68
    Anyone?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Ah sorry, missed your question. I can't honestly compare them due to the fact that it's been a long time since I've played on a US style stick. In terms of size, they are roughly the same, but the stick won't feel like a US style just because of the bat top attachment obviously. It'll still feel like a Jap stick for all intents and purposes. If you're worried then I say to buy it. It's not that expensive and you can always take it off if you don't like it.

    ~Paik
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    I can't let this thread die...I put too much time into making it! Bump it up!

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    It has been a good thread so far. Sanwa was on top for a while, but Seimitsu got up with a dragon punch and hasn't relented since.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I just put a LS 40 in my HRAP, is that as good as ths LS 32? It seems a bit tighter to play with from what I can tell.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Updated the first post to reflect the new catalogues.

    Well, LS-32 is more often used and is said to be the "best" of the Seimitsu line, especially for fighting games, but it's all opinion.

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    So now that Sanwa has the new button color with the black beazel , is it now possible to make Seimitsu button colors with sanwa buttons?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Yes, in a sense. You can obviously change out the plunge from any other 30 mm button and have yourself a Seimitsu like button. I've talk to Per about this, and he is going to see if Sanwa would be willing to do more/all colors with the black bezel. That would be nice. The only bad part that remains is that it's snap-in. No black bezel screw ins.

    ~Paik
  • Onslaught2000Onslaught2000 WHEN'S MAHVEL.........2?! Joined: Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I was curious.

    For the Tekken stick, would Sanwa OBSN-30 Buttons and a Sanwa GT-Y Octagonal Gate fit into the stick? A friend is looking to mod his stick with better buttons and a octagonal gate. So I was suggesting these, but was'nt too sure if they would be compatible.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    The octagon gate only fits onto JLF series. The stock T5 stick is not JLF. It's not even Sanwa. So, the answer is no.

    No real arcade buttons will fit in without modification. But if you do the correct modding, yes they will fit.

    ~Paik
  • Onslaught2000Onslaught2000 WHEN'S MAHVEL.........2?! Joined: Posts: 3,218 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Alright, I was'nt too sure so I just wanted to get that cleared up, well, the button question anyways. I just completly forgot that the gate only fits into the JLF series and did'nt take that into consideration. D'oh!

    Oh yeah, great thread!
  • BigEd80BigEd80 Jap Stick Hustla :) Joined: Posts: 449
    I noticed on both catalogs that the layouts between 1p and 2p are different...

    the 1p look like HRAP1 while 2p like HRAP2..how come?

    Actually you're wrong, HRAP1 layout, also known as console layout is found to be on Super Neo 29 Cabinets if you make the cabinet an 8 button cabinet, so it's Neo Geo Layout. HRAP2 layout is well the other cabs (versus city, blast city, naomi, and cyberlead?) layouts.
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  • MayhemMayhem Mostly Harmless Joined: Posts: 577
    Actually you're wrong,
    Actually he is not. Take a look at any Astro City-format 2L12B panel manufactured by Seimitsu or Sega, you'll see each player's button layout is rotated differently. For panels manufactured by Sanwa the difference is much less noticeable though.
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  • buyproductbuyproduct Chemist for Hire Joined: Posts: 1,035
    Quick and easy question:

    On a LS-32 stick (the one without the pcb) which tab is the ground? The top one or the bottom one.
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Either is fine.

    ~Paik
  • J-rideJ-ride OG Member Joined: Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    How is a Sanwa BAT-top going to compare to say a Happ competition?

    The semitsu ls32-01 feels much more like a comp than a sanwa. Granted I've only played one once (sanwa) , but you can definitely feel the corners on a semitsu, the only diff between the comp and semitsu is that because semitsu has such a short path around the stick, the diagonals are deep, so take Ryu for example, if you push down, diagonal, and forward the red fireball will come out because the diagonal is so close to down, so you do the motion diagonal forward. Wierd at first but after you get used to it, its pretty nice. So after having a jap stick for a few months I can play on an american just fine, but I really like how precise they are, and how quickly they respond.
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  • buyproductbuyproduct Chemist for Hire Joined: Posts: 1,035
    Either is fine.

    ~Paik

    I knew that was true for the buttons but I didnt know it was true for the actual joystick.
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  • xen0dudexen0dude Joined: Posts: 28
    The octagon gate only fits onto JLF series. The stock T5 stick is not JLF. It's not even Sanwa. So, the answer is no.

    No real arcade buttons will fit in without modification. But if you do the correct modding, yes they will fit.

    ~Paik

    hmmm in this thread, it was confirmed that the octagon gate can fit in a T5 stick with a little mod on the gate

    http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117885
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    You know, I totally forgot about the jumpsuit mod and all the sticks it works for. Thanks for pointing that out! Sorry for the lapse in intelligence iAHVB!

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I've been lurking these forums for a while and I'm thinking of building a custom stick. However, I can't decide whether to put in a Sanwa or Seimitsu stick. Now, I know it all comes down to personal preference, but it would be very helpful for me if anyone could compare the feel of the JLF and/or LS-32 compared to the stick on a Hori SC2 joystick, since I own one.

    Any comparisons on Sanwa/Seimitsu buttons vs the buttons on the Hori would also be greatly appreciated.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    3 quick questions...

    i know you need a 1 1/8" bit to drill holes for the 30mm buttons, but what size bit for the 24mm buttons?... i assume it doesn't matter if they are screw in correct?

    also, do you need a special tool to tighten down the screw in sanwa buttons?

    Thanks in advance
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    emphrygian: I would say that the stock SC2 joystick would feel more like an LS-32. And the stock buttons would feel like the normal Seimitsu PS-14-G.

    Lupus: For 30mm you need a 1-3/16" tool. For 24mm you need a 15/16" tool. And unlike Happ buttons, you do NOT need a special tool to tighten the screw-ins for Sanwa or Seimitsu.

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    emphrygian: I would say that the stock SC2 joystick would feel more like an LS-32. And the stock buttons would feel like the normal Seimitsu PS-14-G.

    Lupus: For 30mm you need a 1-3/16" tool. For 24mm you need a 15/16" tool. And unlike Happ buttons, you do NOT need a special tool to tighten the screw-ins for Sanwa or Seimitsu.

    ~Paik

    do you use a particular ratchet then? or is finger tightening sufficient? Thanks again homie.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Just your fingers : )

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Just your fingers : )

    ~Paik

    You're the man Paik... loving your stick by the way... i've spent some more time with it recently and love it... octagon gate just came in yesterday and can't wait to pop it open and check out your wiring

    thanks again homie
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Any idea if anyone's done a writeup on how to mod a CPS Fighter stick with sanwa parts?
  • Doc HollidayDoc Holliday Joined: Posts: 565
    Anyone know if the Seimitsu LS 32-01 has extra play in the stick? I've got an HRAP2 that I just put it in. The stock Sanwa was nice but I heard alot of things about the 32-01 that I figured I'd like, including a stiffer spring and a shorter throw. Well that's all well and good but when I push the stick in a direction, after it hits the restrictor, the top part of the stick moves an 1/8th of an inch past where the restrictor is supposed to stop it. This is because of all the vertical play in the stick itself (you can pull it up and down just like Sanwa's). The stick DOES stop at the restrictor but since of the vertical play, it moves up and over in the direction that I'm throwing it in. I don't know if any of that makes sense, it's hard to explain it. In any case, it kinda defeats the purpose of switching over to this stick since the throw ends up being the same as the Sanwa's. Does anyone have that issue or do I have faulty equipment?
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Taiki, the CPS Fighter Stick would be pretty odd to mod considering the stock buttons are small and close to each other. The stick is fairly thin and would be difficult to mount a stick. I haven't even looked at mine that close because it doesn't seem to be a reasonable stick to even attempt.

    H82, I'm not really sure what you're describing but I have never had a problem with the LS-32 moving past the restrictor. Most of the time, my shaft hits the metal base piece before it even has a chance to hit the plastic restrictor piece. I mean, yeah if you put a really strong force on any stick, it will have vertical play that will lift the stick out of it's normal path. But if you're doing that, then you're just not playing correctly. : )

    ~Paik
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    well, looks like I get the task of doing that write up then. :) After seeing the mod of the NeoGeo old style home stick with Sanwas, I figured it was POSSIBLE...

    I finally broke my CPS Fighter Stick apart and finding that there is more than enough space to fit screw in 24mm sanwas for the buttons and maybe an LS-32 for the stick. I prefer sanwa, so i'm going to try to shoehorn a JLF first
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    Keep the stock stick, it's Sanwa anyway.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    How do 24mm buttons compare with 30mm buttons? Is there any difference beyond size?
  • MayhemMayhem Mostly Harmless Joined: Posts: 577
    How do 24mm buttons compare with 30mm buttons? Is there any difference beyond size?
    They use the same kind of microswitch so there shouldn't be any difference in performance.
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  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Keep the stock stick, it's Sanwa anyway.

    is it? I'd rather have a JLF in any case.
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    is it? I'd rather have a JLF in any case.

    It's a Sanwa JLW.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    It's a Sanwa JLW.

    It's not the JLW that Sanwa's selling now. When I have a few spare minutes, I'll take pics... Looks more like a Hori or even seimitsu...
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    I could take pics too, it's unmistakably a JLW with Sanwa written on it.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Do you have a Japanese CPS Fighter?
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    yes.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    yes.

    that explains it.

    Could you take photos of the internals if you've got the time/effort? I want to know how to mount a JLW in this thing and if it's possible to mount a JLF in it's stead.

    http://www.planetnintendo.com/thewarpzone/hardware/inside.jpg

    That's what mine looks like. I can't find my camera for some reason, otherwise I'd take much more detailed pics of the mech assembly.

    Basically, it looks like some sort of seimitsu mechanism with a blue and white base. I've never seen these before, but I've never worked with seimitsu parts before.
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    So they used a Sanwa stick only for the Japanese release... good to know.

    Anyway here's the pics:

    The stick is screw mounted on the bottom shell and there's even a hole for the shaft in case one wants to remove the ball:

    http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3595/s2023004bz1.jpg

    The JLW restrictor is glued to the bottom:

    http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9076/s2023005mm1.jpg

    http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7046/s2023006et5.jpg
    http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4043/s2023007qi9.jpg
    http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2100/s2023008im7.jpg

    I don't think a JLW would be too difficult to mount on your stick, it would be just a matter of adding 4 spacers (of different height though) on the bottom shell. As for the JLF I don't think you can mount one as neatly since they don't have threaded inserts on the bottom like the JLW so you would have to drill holes on the top shell which is not even flat... can be done but it will not look very nice.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Huh, this explains a lot. Looks like a JLW will drop right in... Since I already own a JLF stick(HRAP), I'm going to go with a JLW with a red bat top and some 24mm buttons. Although if i'm right, it's already mostly a sanwa button because i think that's a sanwa switch soldered to the board. In either case, time to hack for hacking's sake.

    thanks!

    mind if i upload these pics to the Game SX/NFG Wiki for the CPS Fighter?
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