The Sanwa and Seimitsu FAQ

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  • FallingEdgeFallingEdge Unblockable elbow Joined: Posts: 3,302
    Question about the LS-32.

    http://lizardlick.com/images/for_sale/joysticks/ls_32.jpg

    That is considered a square gate, correct? The reason I ask is because I bought an HRAP-SE (comes with LS-32) for the 360 and it all feels good but when moving the stick to the corners, it feels like a square gate but with small curves/grooves almost like a octagonal gate. It doesn't feel like a "pure" square like a Sanwa does.

    http://slagcoin.com/joystick/attributes_brands/ls32_b.jpg
    http://slagcoin.com/joystick/attributes_brands/ls32_xp.jpg

    Are Seimitsu sticks like this? Can you remove the dark blue gate to make it more square like? If you look at the picture above, it looks like the light blue gate is more "square" than the dark blue one.

    Sorry if that doesn't make any sense. It is kinda hard to explain haha.
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  • KayinKayin rawr Joined: Posts: 2,115
    The dark blue gate kind of gets in the way of the corners on the light blue gate. When using an LS-32 in 8-way mode you should always remove the dark blue gate. It feels noticeably more square without it.
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  • ShottanuhmisShottanuhmis Joined: Posts: 337
    Sanwa makes all black buttons now, and you can use a black ball top. I've yet to see a white shaft cover, you'd have to make it yourself.

    Well with the art I found may now use white button. it looked like they have different types of buttons so i am unsure which ones are compattible.
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    Any 30mm Japanese Button will fit:
    Sanwa OBSF-30, OBSN-30, OBSF-30RG, OBSN-30RG, OBSC-30, OBSC-30RG.
    Seimitsu PS-14-G, PS-14-GN, PS-14-GN(????), PS-14-GX, PS-14-GXN.
    Seimitsu PS-14-K, PS-14-KN, PS-15.
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  • ShottanuhmisShottanuhmis Joined: Posts: 337
    Any 30mm Japanese Button will fit:
    Sanwa OBSF-30, OBSN-30, OBSF-30RG, OBSN-30RG, OBSC-30, OBSC-30RG.
    Seimitsu PS-14-G, PS-14-GN, PS-14-GN(????), PS-14-GX, PS-14-GXN.
    Seimitsu PS-14-K, PS-14-KN, PS-15.

    well then i have one last question if among the sanwa parts they have different feels how can I judge among them without having tried every type?
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    There is only two type; Normal and RG.
    You have tried the Normal already.
    They in your Tournament Edition.

    Well there is actually a third 30mm Sanwa Button.
    They the Sanwa OBS-30A, OBS-30B.

    But those are not standard for arcade use.
    SRK Member Takahashi use them though.

    RG Series are slightly stiffer.
    OBS even more or something, I don't know.
    Takahashi and SRK Member crazed have experience.
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  • FallingEdgeFallingEdge Unblockable elbow Joined: Posts: 3,302
    The dark blue gate kind of gets in the way of the corners on the light blue gate. When using an LS-32 in 8-way mode you should always remove the dark blue gate. It feels noticeably more square without it.

    Awesome. That is great to hear. When I get the chance, I will remove the dark blue gate and be good to go.
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  • ZapfZapf Joined: Posts: 545
    Anyone know if it would be more appropriate to mount an ls-40-01 in a TE w/ a flat or an S plate? I thought it had a similar shaft length to the ls-32, which people use an S-plate with often, so I wasnt sure.

    also would removing that secondary restrictor from an ls-40 give it the square feel of the main restrictor? currently its more of a semicircle due to the size of the actuator and not being able to totally fit in the corners of that subguide
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    Use Seimitsu SS Mounting Plate on LS-40(-01) to get correct height in Tournament Edition.
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  • SamkenSamken Joined: Posts: 7
    HRAP 3 SA with Seimitsu Stick

    im thinking to change my JLF Stick for a LS-56-01. Will i need a different mount plate? or just the one who comes with the LS-56-01 will do?
  • FullAutoDeathFullAutoDeath Joined: Posts: 312
    You need to buy the MS Mounting Plate. Put that on the LS-56-01 and then it'll mount the same as a JLF does. :tup:

    You can scoop one up along with your LS-56-01 at Gamingnow.net or lizardlick.
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  • PearShapedBoyPearShapedBoy Joined: Posts: 32
    Just a quick question, How comparable are Seimitsu PS-14-GNC to Sanwa OBSF 30s?

    Do the seimitsu buttons require far more pressure to activate or are they similiar enough that the difference is negligible?

    Are the seimitsu buttons noisier?

    Thanks!
  • crazedcrazed LA Addict Joined: Posts: 445
    Just a quick question, How comparable are Seimitsu PS-14-GNC to Sanwa OBSF 30s?

    Do the seimitsu buttons require far more pressure to activate or are they similiar enough that the difference is negligible?

    Are the seimitsu buttons noisier?

    Thanks!

    I've never tried them but from what I've hear the seimitsu are a bit stiffer than Sanwa but not a lot stiffer. They're in between Sanwa and iL in terms of stiffness.

    Noise I'm not sure about but why do you want to know? Do you want quiet buttons or do you like a specific sound (I like the clicky sound). Most buttons are loud when you're playing but they will sound a bit different.
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  • nacor cbnacor cb Joined: Posts: 365
    hi there!

    im a complete noob regarding electronics and modding... could you help me with this?

    i have a TE Stick but i want to test a Seimitsu LS 56 ont it.

    i ordered a Seimitsu LS 56, but this model doesnt have PCB, so i cant connect it. The original Sanwa JLF PCB doesnt fit.

    Can i take the original Sanwa PCB and use it with the Seimitsu LS 56?

    or should i buy a Seimitsu LS 56 - 01 instead?? (i didnt know only Seimitsu LS 56 - 01 comes with PCB until now... :( )
  • jeenyus1jeenyus1 Joined: Posts: 2,075
    hi there!

    im a complete noob regarding electronics and modding... could you help me with this?

    i have a TE Stick but i want to test a Seimitsu LS 56 ont it.

    i ordered a Seimitsu LS 56, but this model doesnt have PCB, so i cant connect it. The original Sanwa JLF PCB doesnt fit.

    Can i take the original Sanwa PCB and use it with the Seimitsu LS 56?

    or should i buy a Seimitsu LS 56 - 01 instead?? (i didnt know only Seimitsu LS 56 - 01 comes with PCB until now... :( )


    If you switch the Sanwa PCB into the Seimitsu you're basically just playing on a Sanwa with Seimitsu spring...

    You would have to buy the 01 or solder the wires to the Seimitsu's microswitches.
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  • nacor cbnacor cb Joined: Posts: 365
    If you switch the Sanwa PCB into the Seimitsu you're basically just playing on a Sanwa with Seimitsu spring...

    You would have to buy the 01 or solder the wires to the Seimitsu's microswitches.

    ouch! it seems i made a mistake ordering LS 56 insted LS 56 01 then :wasted:

    thank you very much mate :pleased:
  • SFighterloveSFighterlove Trust your instincts Joined: Posts: 434
    Hey guys I need to order some sanwa buttons and i was wondering who here has orderd from lizard lick so that they can tell me how long it takes to get the buttons. Im going to a tournament in about 3 weeks and i want to have my stick ready. Thanks.
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  • watermelonwatermelon Joined: Posts: 8
    very nice write up and good info
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hey guys I need to order some sanwa buttons and i was wondering who here has orderd from lizard lick so that they can tell me how long it takes to get the buttons. Im going to a tournament in about 3 weeks and i want to have my stick ready. Thanks.

    According to their website they are about 2-3 weeks behind in filling orders atm so if you need your stuff in 3 weeks you should probably look elsewhere this time.
  • threithrei Low IQ Idiot that plays charge characters Joined: Posts: 726
    Random Question: Has there ever been more than two versions of the JLW (talking about TM here, not UM) I mean did they change it between the SNES era and now?

    I am asking because I opened up the JLW in my CPS Fighter Stick and the Spring looks different than what I see in pics (and I am pretty sure it hasn't been modded, none of the screws have any sign of tampering):

    springs.jpg

    The coil of the spring is somewhere between the LS-32 and 33, but nowhere close to that of the JLW. It is nothing really (I think) but I just found it odd.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I like a stiffer feel to my joystick, based on the spring pictures it looks like the JLW would be the stiffest one. Anyone know if this is the case or not? The main issue I have is I like to rest my hand on the stick at neutral and occasionally get unintentional inputs on my TE because the spring feels very soft. I have an older t4 hori with a really stiff stick and this never happens on that one. If anyone that has tried out a bunch of different sticks has any advice that would be great, cause right now I am leaning towards a JLW just based on how the spring looks and the fact that I like the LS-32 better then the JLF.
  • PearShapedBoyPearShapedBoy Joined: Posts: 32
    Weird Question Ahoy.

    So I had purchased Sanwa OBSF buttons from Lizard Lick a while back and have had a great pleasure playing with them for a few months now. My friend owns a TE which features 8 OBSF 30 buttons as everyone knows but to me these buttons feel incredibly different. It seems as if the buttons have more of a polish to them and seem more "worn in" right off the bat resulting in a much smoother button. My questions is simply, is there a difference from the buttons sold from the various retailers compared to these stock TE buttons?
  • TakahashiTakahashi Epileptic Videogamer Joined: Posts: 474
    Sometimes it is batch dependent like slight variations in colour.
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  • HEY-NOWHEY-NOW Joined: Posts: 36
    I have two questions. From what I've read it seems that the LS-32 and LS-40 are similar. What are the major differences between them?

    can a LS-40 go in a HRAP3?
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  • ChadChad Joined: Posts: 1,291
    Question about the LS-32-01:

    I've just installed it in my case, and I've noticed that compared to the JLF the shaft moves around a bit more in the neutral area when basically no pressure is applied to the stick (you can sort of wiggle it around a bit). The JLF does this as well, but not nearly as much.

    Reading slagcoin, it sounds like this has to do with the pivot for each joystick.

    This is just how the LS-32-01 is supposed to be right? Is there a way to adjust this?

    I haven't actually played on it yet as I'm still completing the wiring, so it may not end up bothering me during a game at all. I'd just like to find out if I can easily reduce this neutral movement before I close up the case and finish the stick.
  • Jaguar ClashJaguar Clash Joined: Posts: 24
    Question about the LS-32-01:

    I've just installed it in my case, and I've noticed that compared to the JLF the shaft moves around a bit more in the neutral area when basically no pressure is applied to the stick (you can sort of wiggle it around a bit). The JLF does this as well, but not nearly as much.

    Reading slagcoin, it sounds like this has to do with the pivot for each joystick.

    This is just how the LS-32-01 is supposed to be right? Is there a way to adjust this?

    I haven't actually played on it yet as I'm still completing the wiring, so it may not end up bothering me during a game at all. I'd just like to find out if I can easily reduce this neutral movement before I close up the case and finish the stick.

    I've put in a LS-56-01 in my Hrap3, and it basically does the same thing you're asking. Been using it for several months now, doesn't bother me.
  • DemoninjaDemoninja Joined: Posts: 761
    How often do you guys change in new parts? I've been used these buttons and sticks for about 200 hours. The parts are still responsive but they don't feel the same.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Quick question - how closely does sanwa green match seimitsu green? If anyone has the two side-by-side in one picture that would be great but I'm really just wondering if they are roughly the same colour on one hand, or completely horrible together on the other.


    For my second controller I want to try an LS-32 but I cannot source seimitsu buttons without waiting for international delivery. I know they aren't exactly the same but I don't have the eye of someone who sprays cars for a living, and I can always order a sanwa ball-top to match the buttons, but that seems a bit wasteful and chances are if I order a replacement ball-top then when the package arrives I won't be able to tell the difference anyway :rofl:
  • Kai666Kai666 FADF WUT? Joined: Posts: 39
    Question for those with Seimitsu buttons
    Do you guys brush and press your buttons by accident?
    I'm asking this because sanwas are just very sensitive, and at the lightest of brush, it hits. I know that the Seimitsu are less sensitive, but how much?

    Please give your opinion on this with the model of the button.

    Thanks!
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  • NaieraNaiera Joined: Posts: 56
    You can rest your fingers on the buttons without activating them. It's one of the selling points for those of us who prefer Seimitsu buttons over Sanwa buttons.
  • Kai666Kai666 FADF WUT? Joined: Posts: 39
    You can rest your fingers on the buttons without activating them. It's one of the selling points for those of us who prefer Seimitsu buttons over Sanwa buttons.

    That's exactly the kinda of answer I was looking for. I can't rest my fingers on a sanwa at all, the weight of my fingers alone will press it.

    Thanks!
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  • The_ThirdThe_Third Poverty Gamer Joined: Posts: 1,009
    Out of curiousity, is it possible to put levered microswitches on JLF to reduce deadzone? If so, which is softer, the Seimitsu ones or the ones in JLW's?
  • crazedcrazed LA Addict Joined: Posts: 445
    Out of curiousity, is it possible to put levered microswitches on JLF to reduce deadzone? If so, which is softer, the Seimitsu ones or the ones in JLW's?

    You might be able to put levered switches but you would need to solder them onto the PCB I think. You can try this:

    Apparently you can use heatshrink instead of electrical tape as well.
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  • kudokudo Joined: Posts: 57
    I have a HRAP2SA that comes with a Sanwa stick. I'm looking for a joystick with a shorter throw that makes easier make the super combos in 2d fighting games. I tested the stick which is built-in with the NeoGeo stick 2 for PS2 and it like a bit more than HRAP2SA one. Which you recommend me?
    What about the octogonal restrictor for the Sanwa stick? Does it help to make easier the super combos?
    Thank you
  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,699
    Hi I wanted to know if a seimitsu LS32 with its flat mounting plate could fit in ?
    Or maybe I can just connect the LS32 to that stock mounting plate?
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  • ryu-biryu-bi Come Back... Joined: Posts: 539
    You need LS-32-01 since the LS-32 does not have the 5 pin connector. Otherwise I think it should fit pretty well.
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  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,699
    You need LS-32-01 since the LS-32 does not have the 5 pin connector. Otherwise I think it should fit pretty well.

    And the 01's mounting plate could fit as well?
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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    Hi I wanted to know if a seimitsu LS32 with its flat mounting plate could fit in ?
    Or maybe I can just connect the LS32 to that stock mounting plate?

    Unless you want to modify the wires to use Wire Harness, get Seimitsu LS-32.
    You can just use the stock Quick Disconnect to do.

    The Sanwa JLF-P-1 was able to mount.
    The default Seimitsu RE Mounting Plate will match the screw holes too.

    But I don't know if the size of Mounting Plate on Seimitsu LS-32 will fit the space.
    Mounting Plate is slightly bigger than the JLF-P-1.
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  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,699
    Unless you want to modify the wires to use Wire Harness, get Seimitsu LS-32.
    You can just use the stock Quick Disconnect to do.

    The Sanwa JLF-P-1 was able to mount.
    The default Seimitsu RE Mounting Plate will match the screw holes too.

    But I don't know if the size of Mounting Plate on Seimitsu LS-32 will fit the space.
    Mounting Plate is slightly bigger than the JLF-P-1.

    Well I think I'll buy the stick and take a picture of its inside in more detail and then I'll be able to see what can fit in there.
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  • Digital-Digital- TRVP LORD Joined: Posts: 2,216
    Hey peeps, I have a question.

    Would it be possible to add Sanwa RG microswitches to Seimitsu PS-14-G pushbuttons?

    I read something about this on slagcoin but wasn't too sure about it.
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