The Sanwa and Seimitsu FAQ

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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    They will go in.
    But the Slot on Button Plunger will not match Actuator of Microwitch.
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  • RoboKrikitRoboKrikit nuclear Joined: Posts: 1,943
    What jdm714 said. All this really means is the plunger spins a little; the feel of the buttons with the RG switches is actually pretty nice, and they actuate just fine. They actuate early with lighter tension, similar to normal Sanwa buttons, but slightly stiffer (though less stiff than Seimitsus in general).

    Note that because the female faces of the switch and plunger contact do not 'mate', the plungers are raised slightly higher than normal. They look like this:

    hrap_black_buttons.jpg
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    Thank you for that picture RoboKrikit.
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  • networkingyuppynetworkingyuppy RandoMadness. Joined: Posts: 2,322 mod
    Hmm.. I recommended that same idea to a friend of mine. :D
    Would super glue be helpful for attaching the microswitch onto the solid colored plunger on the inside?
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  • Digital-Digital- TRVP LORD Joined: Posts: 2,216
    They will go in.
    But the Slot on Button Plunger will not match Actuator of Microwitch.
    What jdm714 said. All this really means is the plunger spins a little; the feel of the buttons with the RG switches is actually pretty nice, and they actuate just fine. They actuate early with lighter tension, similar to normal Sanwa buttons, but slightly stiffer (though less stiff than Seimitsus in general).

    Note that because the female faces of the switch and plunger contact do not 'mate', the plungers are raised slightly higher than normal. They look like this:

    http://deviation.org/sticks/hrapsa/hrap_black_buttons.jpg

    Thanks for the info guys. After I mod my LS-32 into an LS-36, I will try this out.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    This was the choice of the potentially useful threads that was already at the top of the page, but I'm growing weary of my SFIV fightstick SE's quirks, and I'm a bigger guy so I'm looking to, at least, replace the buttons with the Seimitsu equivalents for a stiffer feel.

    I looked at a tutorial that discussed the fact that the 5pin connector was upside down, and you needed to install the joystick sideways, then spin the plate containing the microswitches (I think?) 90 degrees to get it to fit properly into the slot and have appropriate x and y axis motions without having to screw around in software.

    Lizardlick specifically has a Sanwa joystick that they call a drop-in upgrade for the Madcatz Fightstick, with the right 5pin connector and everything. How much more work am I going to be looking at if I go with an LS-32-01 instead, which LS-32-01 should I look at, and it will feel in general "tighter" than the sanwa knockoff currently in the fightstick?

    Also, as the Seimitsu joysticks are, per common sentiment, a fair bit "stiffer" than the Sanwa equvalents, I'm curious how the stiffness of the Sanwa joystick and the Seimitsu joystick compare to the stock madcatz joystick? A common problem that I've been having is in going from crouching back to back neutral, I have a tendency to move to jumping back, despite the fact that when I'm trying to jump back intentionally, I have to move the damn thing all the way into the corner. I assume it has something to do with microswitch/actuator design, QA and consistency, but I'm wondering if anyone has done this upgrade or had this problem and noticed a difference?

    I could have posted this in the Madcatz SF4 fightstick modding thread too, but this thread seems more equipped to answer my queries regarding the differences between the two brands.

    Thank you for your time.
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    There is only one Seimitsu LS-32-01.
    To make go into Mad Catz, you just unscrew Mounting Plate, rotate 90, screw back on.
    Or you can use more time by unscrewing more screws and rotate the PCB itself, then screw back.

    What you want is the Mounting Plate to be parallel with Connector.

    May as well do it the second way though.
    Because PCB gets in way of screwing Mounting Plate to Mounting Bracket.

    Orientation of the Connector?
    You want it away from the Buttons.
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  • RoboKrikitRoboKrikit nuclear Joined: Posts: 1,943
    Hmm.. I recommended that same idea to a friend of mine. :D
    Would super glue be helpful for attaching the microswitch onto the solid colored plunger on the inside?

    I would try swapping the switches as-is before gluing or modifying anything, to see how you like it. It's not really necessary to 'fix' IMHO. Playability is not hindered. Plus, those RG switches are pretty pricey. If you super glue it in, you're mating the switch to the button for life.
  • P_$m0n3$-YP_$m0n3$-Y Puneta Caguena! Joined: Posts: 781
    so i got 6 ps 14 kn buttons if i switch the micro switch out of the obsf 30 will that work? Does anyone have or mind doin a pic tutorial on this?
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  • DanmartiganDanmartigan Joined: Posts: 127
    This was the choice of the potentially useful threads that was already at the top of the page, but I'm growing weary of my SFIV fightstick SE's quirks, and I'm a bigger guy so I'm looking to, at least, replace the buttons with the Seimitsu equivalents for a stiffer feel.

    I looked at a tutorial that discussed the fact that the 5pin connector was upside down, and you needed to install the joystick sideways, then spin the plate containing the microswitches (I think?) 90 degrees to get it to fit properly into the slot and have appropriate x and y axis motions without having to screw around in software.

    Lizardlick specifically has a Sanwa joystick that they call a drop-in upgrade for the Madcatz Fightstick, with the right 5pin connector and everything. How much more work am I going to be looking at if I go with an LS-32-01 instead, which LS-32-01 should I look at, and it will feel in general "tighter" than the sanwa knockoff currently in the fightstick?

    Also, as the Seimitsu joysticks are, per common sentiment, a fair bit "stiffer" than the Sanwa equvalents, I'm curious how the stiffness of the Sanwa joystick and the Seimitsu joystick compare to the stock madcatz joystick? A common problem that I've been having is in going from crouching back to back neutral, I have a tendency to move to jumping back, despite the fact that when I'm trying to jump back intentionally, I have to move the damn thing all the way into the corner. I assume it has something to do with microswitch/actuator design, QA and consistency, but I'm wondering if anyone has done this upgrade or had this problem and noticed a difference?

    I could have posted this in the Madcatz SF4 fightstick modding thread too, but this thread seems more equipped to answer my queries regarding the differences between the two brands.

    Thank you for your time.

    If you want to stay with the Sanwa JLF, you could also replace the spring with an LS-55 spring, which makes the tension much tighter. I prefer this spring over the default JLF spring... but I still prefer the JLF over any of the Seimitsu sticks. Especially for the SE and TE sticks, it seems like they were made for the JLF more than any other stick.
  • dead like latindead like latin tiger jk Joined: Posts: 122
    question:

    on a scale of 1 - 10 how loose is the sanwa JLF ? i can't stand sticks that are too loose and i got one ordered and on the way

    i don't got any spare parts liein around so is their a wayto tightin up the tension without changing the spring?
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  • FunkyPFunkyP Chicks with Guns Joined: Posts: 1,545
    if 1 is a joystick with no spring in it and a 10 is a happ comp, then i'd give the JLF a 3. The LS-32 is about a 4.
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    so i got 6 ps 14 kn buttons if i switch the micro switch out of the obsf 30 will that work? Does anyone have or mind doin a pic tutorial on this?

    No work.
    But you can do what RoboKrikit and I mentioned in this Thread, on Page 55.

    Only Seimitsu PS-14-K (PS-15 also) take Sanwa SW-68 Microswitch.
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  • P_$m0n3$-YP_$m0n3$-Y Puneta Caguena! Joined: Posts: 781
    No work.
    But you can do what RoboKrikit and I mentioned in this Thread, on Page 55.

    Only Seimitsu PS-14-K (PS-15 also) take Sanwa SW-68 Microswitch.

    ahh got so what do u get out of that? i love the sound the seimitsu makes and the feel
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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    After reading your Post again, I got confused.
    Laugh.

    In which direction are you going?
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  • P_$m0n3$-YP_$m0n3$-Y Puneta Caguena! Joined: Posts: 781
    i just the posts u guys were discussing about the mod...ive never heard of it so what advantage u get with the sanwa rg switches on a seimitsu button
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  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    You know, I've got a question regarding the whole putting Sanwa RG-SG microswitches in PS-14-G, GN, and KN buttons. I thought that, at least for the PS-14-G buttons, the RG-SG microswitches fitted just fine without any plunger-microswitch mismatching issues? I mean, didn't the original PS-14-GX buttons use the exact same RG microswitch that Sanwa did in their OBSF/N-30-RG buttons?
  • ZapfZapf Joined: Posts: 545
    LS-56 in a TE - which mounting plate?
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    Yes, Seimitsu PS-14-GX and PS-14-GXN has same Plunger as Sanwa OBSF-30RG and OBSN-30RG and OBSC-30RG.

    But Plunger on PS-14-G is different.
    It is a Slot, like on Sanwa (Sanwa and Seimitsu different Slot sizes and orientation though).

    Plungers that fit OMRON B2R are Square hole.

    Here see:
    Sanwa OBSF-30RG and OBSF-30
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    Seimitsu PS-14-GX and PS-14-G
    ps-14-gx_.jpg
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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    Zapf, you will need Seimitsu MS Mounting Plate.
    That is found on the LS-33 and LS-55(-01) Joysticks.
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  • P_$m0n3$-YP_$m0n3$-Y Puneta Caguena! Joined: Posts: 781
    so by modifying the but this way what results do u get?
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  • ZapfZapf Joined: Posts: 545
    Zapf, you will need Seimitsu MS Mounting Plate.
    That is found on the LS-33 and LS-55(-01) Joysticks.

    cool beans, i got one of those. It doesnt need an s-shaped plate to get the proper depth? or is that just not an option
  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    But Plunger on PS-14-G is different.
    It is a Slot, like on Sanwa (Sanwa and Seimitsu different Slot sizes and orientation though).

    Plungers that fit OMRON B2R are Square hole.


    Ohhhh...I see. Thanks for that information jdm714! I didn't know Seimitsu used a different plunger design on their PS-14-GX and GXN buttons. :lol:
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    "Zapf wrote: »
    Zapf, you will need Seimitsu MS Mounting Plate.
    That is found on the LS-33 and LS-55(-01) Joysticks.

    cool beans, i got one of those. It doesnt need an s-shaped plate to get the proper depth? or is that just not an option

    There is not an S-shape Mounting Plate available for the Compact Joysticks.

    But the Seimitsu LS-56(-01) would not need for correct Shaft height in TE.
    That is because Shaft same length as Sanwa JLF from Mounting Plate to bottom of Ball Top.
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  • Digital-Digital- TRVP LORD Joined: Posts: 2,216
    so by modifying the but this way what results do u get?

    You will get a Seimitsu button that has less tension and is way looser or lighter to push down.

    On a side note, I just recieved my HRAP EX-SE and its the first time I've ever tried Seimitsu. I LOVE the PS-14-G buttons! My only issue is that they have way more tension then Sanwa, which I don't mind at all, but I like the shape and the flatness of them so much.

    And for the LS-32, man this stick is way more responsive/accurate/precise then the JLF in my opinion. The only thing that is wrong with it is that it feels really cheap and flimsy. Basically the microswitches and throw/engage of the LS-32 is perfect, but the quality is shitty as hell.

    But with the JLF its the other way around. The quality is superb but the throw, engage and microswitches are subpar when put side by side with the LS-32.

    I even had to change the stock Seimitsu balltop cause it felt horrible and you could feel the horizon's edge on it.

    I can't wait to mod the LS-32 with LS-40 shaft, actuator, shaftcover, and pivot cylinder.
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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    LS-36(-01) as Ikagi-chan would call it.

    I want to try it too.
    I have a Seimitsu LS-32-01 that I never got to play with. :sad:
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  • P_$m0n3$-YP_$m0n3$-Y Puneta Caguena! Joined: Posts: 781
    yea seimitsu r just the shit. with ls 32 im more precise. dashing is much easier than before. the buttons feel great and the sound they make is music 2 my ears.
    You will get a Seimitsu button that has less tension and is way looser or lighter to push down.

    On a side note, I just recieved my HRAP EX-SE and its the first time I've ever tried Seimitsu. I LOVE the PS-14-G buttons! My only issue is that they have way more tension then Sanwa, which I don't mind at all, but I like the shape and the flatness of them so much.

    And for the LS-32, man this stick is way more responsive/accurate/precise then the JLF in my opinion. The only thing that is wrong with it is that it feels really cheap and flimsy. Basically the microswitches and throw/engage of the LS-32 is perfect, but the quality is shitty as hell.

    But with the JLF its the other way around. The quality is superb but the throw, engage and microswitches are subpar when put side by side with the LS-32.

    I even had to change the stock Seimitsu balltop cause it felt horrible and you could feel the horizon's edge on it.

    I can't wait to mod the LS-32 with LS-40 shaft, actuator, shaftcover, and pivot cylinder.
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  • ONE100BILLONE100BILL Joined: Posts: 376
    Yes I love my seimitsu stick that came with my HRAP EX-SE. I just found out that the LS-32 stick will not fit on my HRAP 3 unless I mod it. I was directed to a site that showed/explained the mod but it was in japanese and I don't read japanese. Can someone help me out or point me in the right direction? I need to know what additional parts I'll need to buy besides the LS-32. Does anyone have a guide with pictures in english? How difficult will it be? I am trying to mod my HRAP 3 so that I can have both HORI sticks with seimitsu parts and leave my TE sticks alone.

    Incase I am not able to mod my HRAP, will the LS-32 01 fit in the TE without any extra mods or mount?
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,832
    Seimitsu LS-32-01 go in TE, nothing extra.
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    Hey, I'm new into looking at arcade sticks, since I usually played on a Pad, and I was wondering what arcade stick I should buy. I was looking on Amazon.com and I was wondering if I should buy the MadCatz TE stick or the Hori Real Arcade Pro. EX-SE. I was leaning more towards the Hori since it's cheaper. I have tried out both the TE and the Hori sticks, and even though I found that the TE seems more comfortable, the Hori wasn't bad either, albeit sticky and a little large for buttons, but still really nice. I still need to break the bank as little as possible, but what do you guys suggest?
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  • Trouble BrewingTrouble Brewing Super Coffee Fighter V Joined: Posts: 5,174 mod
    I'd suggest asking in the noobie thread. That question is off topic here. This is for frequently asked questions about Sanwa and Semitsu parts.
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  • SasmastaSasmasta Joined: Posts: 6,270
    If you can spare a lil more, you might as well go TE since you said you find it more comfortable. I mean you can prolly get used to the EX-SE, and if money is really tightly pinched then so be it.

    But I'm just sayin'. If you have nothing bad to say about the TE [in your post], then TE it is.
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  • jaydhil24jaydhil24 Joined: Posts: 78
    I am planning to changing the ball and buttons on my TE stick. Is the Sanwa OSBF 30 a perfect fit into my stick. If I am correct they are the same type of buttons the stick came with.

    My purpose of changing anything is to match the new Artwork I am working on.
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  • FunkyFFunkyF Still Scrubby Joined: Posts: 302
    I am planning to changing the ball and buttons on my TE stick. Is the Sanwa OSBF 30 a perfect fit into my stick. If I am correct they are the same type of buttons the stick came with.

    My purpose of changing anything is to match the new Artwork I am working on.

    Yes, the Sanwa OBSF 30 are the buttons you need for the TE. Just make sure you get the OBSF (the snap ins) vs the OBSN (the screw ins) as the Sanwa screw ins don't fit in the A button (for the 360) or the X button (for the PS3). The mounting plate for the joystick doesn't allow Sanwa screw in buttons to fit in properly. This is not a problem for Seimitsu screw in buttons. Just a FYI.
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  • P_$m0n3$-YP_$m0n3$-Y Puneta Caguena! Joined: Posts: 781
    Yes, the Sanwa OBSF 30 are the buttons you need for the TE. Just make sure you get the OBSF (the snap ins) vs the OBSN (the screw ins) as the Sanwa screw ins don't fit in the A button (for the 360) or the X button (for the PS3). The mounting plate for the joystick doesn't allow Sanwa screw in buttons to fit in properly. This is not a problem for Seimitsu screw in buttons. Just a FYI.

    negative ghost rider that pattern is full! I switched my sanwa OBSF30 for 6 PS14 KN's & i had 2 mod the mounting plate 2 fit
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  • FunkyFFunkyF Still Scrubby Joined: Posts: 302
    negative ghost rider that pattern is full! I switched my sanwa OBSF30 for 6 PS14 KN's & i had 2 mod the mounting plate 2 fit

    I thought Seimitsu screw ins fit without modding. That's what it said on the FAQ. But maybe I am wrong :sad:

    Q: Can I use screw in buttons?
    A: As a heads up Sanwa screw in nuts will not fit in easily around the X (PS3) / A (360) button due to the stick bracket blocking the way. However a Seimitsu yellow screw in nut will fasten a screw in button just fine.

    Just a heads up. This is due to the Vewlix panel not having a universal mounting plate to support an LS32. It is something we added on our own. We didn't want to sacrifice the spacing/layout of the stick/buttons.

    I reccommend you use snap in buttons, but if you wanna screw, take note!
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  • P_$m0n3$-YP_$m0n3$-Y Puneta Caguena! Joined: Posts: 781
    Yea i found out the hard way cuz when i tried to take the square or the x, one of them, on TE it was a bitch. but once filing the mounting plate it was all good
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  • jaydhil24jaydhil24 Joined: Posts: 78
    What is the exact Sanwa Joystick that comes on the TE Fight Stick
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  • FunkyFFunkyF Still Scrubby Joined: Posts: 302
    Yea i found out the hard way cuz when i tried to take the square or the x, one of them, on TE it was a bitch. but once filing the mounting plate it was all good

    Did you put in the nut first and then screw in the button? I'm just a little curious now. :wgrin:
    What is the exact Sanwa Joystick that comes on the TE Fight Stick

    Sanwa JLF-TP-8YT-SK-W. It's in the Fightstick Thread.
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  • P_$m0n3$-YP_$m0n3$-Y Puneta Caguena! Joined: Posts: 781
    i put the button on 1st then screw....
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