The Sanwa and Seimitsu FAQ

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Are there black sanwa buttons?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    there is any other place I can buy sanwa/seimitsu parts..
    the http://akihabarashop.com it's temporally closed...
    Thanks
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Are there black sanwa buttons?

    No, there are no black Sanwas, only Seimitsus.
    there is any other place I can buy sanwa/seimitsu parts..
    the http://akihabarashop.com it's temporally closed...
    Thanks

    There are other sellers such as ponyboy (Sanwa) and goleaf (Seimitsu) who are members of these forums. Check their threads in the Trading Outlet forum. There are other online stores such as lizardlick and gremlin solutions.

    ~Paik
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Wow, I just noticed this became a sticky...I never though it would be since I posted this thread like 9 months ago! Thanks, mods!

    ~Paik
  • SaBrESaBrE BAI BAI Joined: Posts: 4,495 mod
    your welcome. too good of a faq to go to waste. helped me out in recent days
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    How much beating can a sanwa joystick and buttons take?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    How much beating can a sanwa joystick and buttons take?

    That is such a general question that there is no answer for you. That's like asking how long a certain car will last. It depends on how you use it. How well you take care of it. How much you use it. How badly you abuse it. It depends on if you know how to properly use it.

    In the future, ask a more specific/logical question...

    ~Paik
  • KhiempossibleKhiempossible NAGEHAME User Joined: Posts: 3,254
    Where's a good site to order buttons from?

    I'm looking to purchase 12 individual sanwa buttons of the OBSN variety. I can't seem to find any distributors close to home (Ottawa ON Canada). Anyone have some suggestions?

    How much am I looking to pay (I've budgetted $4 CDN/button + shipping or $60). What am I looking at for shipping?
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  • shooshoo t('.' )t Joined: Posts: 5,455 mod
    Check the New Essential Joystick thread :tup:
    since 2005
  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    Quick question about RG buttons

    (not from this thread)
    The Sanwa RG`s have bigger microswitch thus giving it longer lastingtime (and a little different feel when playing).

    I heard they withstand five times the punishment of a regular button. I really like the idea of saving myself four out of five repairs, and I'm pretty sure they don't cost five times as much as a regular button. Sounds good to me!

    Yet I don't ever hear about anyone using these... Just how different is "different?"

    Thanks in advance for any and all help!
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    They don't necessarily take 5 times the abuse. They are just tested to last 5 times more presses. So if you play like a raging gorilla and pound on buttons, these aren't really going to help you.

    Plenty of people use them. They feel a bit different but I bet most casual gamers wouldn't know the difference. Maybe just hardcore people who build and mod often.

    ~Paik
  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
    RG`s are very nice indeed, love them ^_^. The lasting time is set to 5 x OBSF-30, that is what they say, but it will last a lot longer than that (I have seen these used for elivatorparts, my dad works as a repairman at a hospital).
  • KuprinKuprin MOOGLE RUSH!!! Joined: Posts: 322
    Question on the JLF 5-pin connectors and cables: If the only stick available to me is the one with the 5-pin connector, the microswitches *don't* have tabs for quick disconnects, right? I'll need to get a cable for it?
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  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
    Kuprin
    They do not have tabs like for example Competitionstick from HAPP. You need a cable (JLF-H or H5-PIN).
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Is the connector on the JLF a standard connector type or is it unique to the JLF? Just wondering if I can just go down to a local electronic store and buy a connector and make a cable myself.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    You'll be hard pressed to fine the same connector in local stores...even in more specialized hobby stores. They are cheap enough where there is really no point in wasting time trying to find them locally.

    Seimitsu's wire harness is the same type (only the color wires are switched around) so you can buy those if you want a cheaper alternative.

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    You'll be hard pressed to fine the same connector in local stores...even in more specialized hobby stores. They are cheap enough where there is really no point in wasting time trying to find them locally.

    Seimitsu's wire harness is the same type (only the color wires are switched around) so you can buy those if you want a cheaper alternative.

    ~Paik
    OK thanks for the quick reply :).

    I am buying local (living in Australia) since I need the parts within a certain timeframe. Thus more expensive, will just bite the bullet and buy the standard harness then.
  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    Might be the wrong place to ask but does anyone have the measurements for the locations of the buttons/stick on a typicaly Sanwa with standard Japanese style button layout? Just wondering about the distance between buttons, distance between buttons and the stick, things like that.

    Happ has this one: http://www.rootminus1.com/howard/stickbuilding/happ_stick_ergo_plans.pdf

    But it doesn't have measurements for the distance between buttons and how much higher/lower each row is.
  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    Thanks, that's just what I was looking for.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    here are two sanwa sticks,

    the one below here is a 15$ JLW-TM-8
    http://www.lizardlickamusements.com/..._jlw_green.jpg

    the one here is about 25$ and its a Sanwa JLF-TP-8T
    http://www.lizardlickamusements.com/..._jlf_green.jpg

    i'm assuming that the only reason the 25$ stick is 10$ more than the other is because of the wire harness.

    thanx in advance
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    They are two completely different sticks. They have a different feel and specifications. The JLF is by far the most prevalent Japanese stick for fighting games. The JLW is a stick that is more traditional in build and construction.

    The reason the JLF is more expensive is because it has a PCB and wire harness and again is by far the most used joystick for fighting games in Japan.

    ~Paik
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238

    That's an odd layout: the stick hole is lower than on arcade CPs, HRAPs, etc.
  • xXxDa_RaGexXxxXxDa_RaGexXx Got Ume? Joined: Posts: 343
    Ok I am haveing trouble getting this stick to work. I am trying to put a jlf inside of it. But I can't seem to get the wireing right for the stick. The wire harness that I got has a pin layout that reads
    1-Orange
    2-Green
    3-Black
    4-Red
    5-Yellow
    Even when i rig up all the wires i can only get one direction to work and its not even the right direction >_<
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  • xXxDa_RaGexXxxXxDa_RaGexXx Got Ume? Joined: Posts: 343
    here is the insides
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,778
    You're wire harness is different colors from the usual. It looks like Orange is the ground on yours. If so, then the color to direction mapping is this:

    O - Ground
    G - Right
    B - Left
    R - Up
    Y - Down
  • xXxDa_RaGexXxxXxDa_RaGexXx Got Ume? Joined: Posts: 343
    You're wire harness is different colors from the usual. It looks like Orange is the ground on yours. If so, then the color to direction mapping is this:

    O - Ground
    G - Right
    B - Left
    R - Up
    Y - Down

    if that is the case maybe that explains why i can only get one direction to work. I was hooking black to black thinking both were ground.

    could that be a seimitsu harness? I have so many parts I might have got it mixed up
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  • xXxDa_RaGexXxxXxDa_RaGexXx Got Ume? Joined: Posts: 343
    ^^thanx for the help stick works fine now
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Jlf Tp 8t

    I got a question on the JLF TP 8T
    http://www.lizardlickamusements.com/images/for_sale/joysticks/sanwa_jlf_black.jpg

    The way the wires are color coded makes it difficult to hook it up.
    I've been trying to use this diagram, but since its different I cant get it to work.
    http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g217/NiteWalkerGR/Misc%20Pics/sanwakopplingen.jpg

    and, when I plug the wires into the joystick, do I plug it in so that the two little nub things are facing up or down?
    Thanks in advance
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Don't go by the color, because those wires aren't official Sanwa. Just use the diagram based on the position of the wire.

    ~Paik
  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
    And I think the correct product ID is: JLF-TP-8YT.

    edit: It was 8T, thought it was turned like normal.
  • dummyfacedummyface Fatal Fury > SF Joined: Posts: 190
    What Sanwa/Seimitsu sticks fit in the astro city control pannel?
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    There are a lot of different types of panels with different mounting areas. There are some that easily allow both JLF and LS-32 (01) to fit (with the proper mounting plates) but others that only allow one or the other. You would have to look at the mounting area on the panel itself.

    ~Paik
  • dummyfacedummyface Fatal Fury > SF Joined: Posts: 190
    There are a lot of different types of panels with different mounting areas. There are some that easily allow both JLF and LS-32 (01) to fit (with the proper mounting plates) but others that only allow one or the other. You would have to look at the mounting area on the panel itself.

    ~Paik

    It looks like this,

    snapshot018.jpg

    The bracket has 3 holes in it, With only the middle one being threaded for a screw.
    Sorry the image is so crappy.
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  • MayhemMayhem Mostly Harmless Joined: Posts: 577
    snapshot018.jpg
    Those mounting brackets are designed for Seimitsu LS-32(-01) with a Sega custom mounting plate, which AFAIK can't be bought from Seimitsu. Maybe there are other sticks that'll fit as well but I know nothing about that...
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Yeah I think, Mayhem is correct although a top view would have been a bit better. I have one of the mounting plates for the LS-32 (01) but I sold my other ones so even if I sold you mine, you'd still need one more. : /

    ~Paik
  • dummyfacedummyface Fatal Fury > SF Joined: Posts: 190
    snapshot019.jpg

    If you have a plate I can copy it.
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Yeah, that looks like you need the one that I have. I'm not 100% sure though. If you want it, hit me up on AIM or with a PM and we'll discuss it. Here's a picture of what it looks like:

    th_P1010731.jpg

    ~Paik
  • SendoSendo Joined: Posts: 56
    Could anyone answer a quick question for me? I'm looking to build a lot of sticks over the next few months and was looking to get a lot of Sanwa and Seimitsu stuff in bulk, maybe 150 buttons, 10 or 15 sticks, plus leads, gates etc. I've scoured the other threads and i'm aware of the majority of places that sell these products, but i'm not sure what the best bet for bulk ordering would be, for example, which places offer a quantity discount? It seems that Excellent are the cheapest, but they are limited in choice, mainly in terms of colour. Can anyone give me a little advice on this? Would be be much appreciated! :)
  • A.CA.C Joined: Posts: 231
    i'm aware of the majority of places that sell these products, but i'm not sure what the best bet for bulk ordering would be

    just contact each supplier - its not like there are that many. copy/paste your request, shoot off a couple emails & see what they come back with. its not that much legwork. i'm sure most will be willing to negotiate - but as with all negotiations - each deal is somewhat unique to each builder.
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