The Sanwa and Seimitsu FAQ

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  • SendoSendo Joined: Posts: 56
    Cool thanks man, i was planning on doing that, i guess i was also interested to see whether anyone had any particularly good experiences with similar bulk orders.

    I'm actually having a look through the Japanese Sanwa catalogue, i'm wondering would my best bet be to order straight from the source, and cut out the middleman?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    You won't be able to order straight from Sanwa or Seimitsu with such a small order. I've done orders myself that were much larger than yours and unless you're going to approach them as a distributor, they won't ship to you since they don't take international orders.

    ~Paik
  • SendoSendo Joined: Posts: 56
    Thanks for your response man. OK, what sort of sized order would i need to place in order for them to deal with me? Also, i could probably get a contact in Japan to order domestically, would that be the best thing to do in this case?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Honestly, I think your best bet is to go with a established seller like Akihabara, ponyboy, or others. You'll save yourself a lot of trouble. The size of the order you'll need is probably more than you'll honestly ever use by yourself. I bet the very minimum you'd have to order is 50 joysticks and several hundreds of buttons (in quantities of 50 per color).

    ~Paik
  • LeSageLeSage Knowledge Is Power Joined: Posts: 171
    Hey I just ordered a Sanwa (JLF-TP-8T) from lizardlick, what is the difference between this stick and the one on the HRAP2. I noticed that it says the HRAP2 has a Sanwa (JLF-TP-8Y-SK)?????
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hey I just ordered a Sanwa (JLF-TP-8T) from lizardlick, what is the difference between this stick and the one on the HRAP2. I noticed that it says the HRAP2 has a Sanwa (JLF-TP-8Y-SK)?????

    HRAP2 one just has a shaft cover, everything else is identical.
  • LeSageLeSage Knowledge Is Power Joined: Posts: 171
    Thanks
  • XorcistXorcist Evil Genius Joined: Posts: 337
    Anyone know where I can purchase a grey replacement ball-top for a Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK, similar to the one pictured below? I've been looking around and hit just about every color of the rainbow... but no greys.

    524124986_d78d6732f6.jpg

    Also, what model Seimitsu button should I look for when MODing an HRAP3 (including the start/select buttons)? Should I use screw-ins or snap-ins?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Anyone know where I can purchase a grey replacement ball-top for a Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK, similar to the one pictured below? I've been looking around and hit just about every color of the rainbow... but no greys.

    524124986_d78d6732f6.jpg

    Also, what model Seimitsu button should I look for when MODing an HRAP3 (including the start/select buttons)? Should I use screw-ins or snap-ins?

    www.lizardlick.com just got some gray ball tops in, you can try akihabarashop.com also if you can wait longer.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hi, total noob here with some dumb questions that might not even pertain to this thread. :p

    First, I'd like to thank Paik4Life for creating this thread, it's cleared up a lot of questions I had.

    I'm planning on building myself a custom stick for the upcoming release of Melty Blood VerB, and I want to use Sanwa parts, as they seem to be the standard for Japanese fighters.
    I noticed that an earlier picture in this thread showed a metal bracket around the buttons, and I was wondering if that's neccesary, or if I could just make hole in the wood to put the buttons through.
    Also, can I just make a hole to fit the joystick through (planning on using the JLF) and if so, how large should the hole be?
    And finally, for Sanwa parts, how thick should the wood I'll be working with be?

    Thank you!
  • B&BB&B av by Vegett0 Joined: Posts: 479
    I am planning on swapping the stick from my T5 hori stick, but there's been something that's really bugging me. I got a 5-pin connector with my LS-35-02 and I know it could work with a JLF, what are the color codes for the wires? I have seen the seimitsu PCB pic on the first page and was wondering if that is the correct color code with the JLF as well.

    Thanks,

    PS: Paik, I fixed My HRAP2! Yaaay!!
    "I'm the guy who does his job, you must be the other guy." ~ Mark Wahlberg
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    I noticed that an earlier picture in this thread showed a metal bracket around the buttons, and I was wondering if that's neccesary, or if I could just make hole in the wood to put the buttons through.
    Also, can I just make a hole to fit the joystick through (planning on using the JLF) and if so, how large should the hole be?
    And finally, for Sanwa parts, how thick should the wood I'll be working with be? Thank you!

    You don't need the metal plate for the buttons. That's just how they were meant to be used, but they work find without them. The joystick holes is traditionally 24mm.
    I am planning on swapping the stick from my T5 hori stick, but there's been something that's really bugging me. I got a 5-pin connector with my LS-35-02 and I know it could work with a JLF, what are the color codes for the wires? I have seen the seimitsu PCB pic on the first page and was wondering if that is the correct color code with the JLF as well.

    I assume you mean LS-32-02 (Which is actually the LS-32-01). I posted BOTH the JLF and LS-32-01 wiring diagrams on the first page. They are under the joystick installation section. Both were done by TheRealNeoGeo. Please go there. Also remember that the wiring diagram is specific to the way your PCB is oriented. If the connector points up, down, left, or right they will all have a different wiring scheme hence the multiple pictures provided in the JLF diagram.

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Paik, thank you very much for the helpful information!

    I just have one more question: about how thick should the wood I'll be installing the joystick/buttons through be?
    I don't want to make the joystick, drill the holes, and then find out they won't fit.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    It doesn't matter how thick the wood is really aside from making sure it's thick enough so it won't flex. A lot of people use 3/4" or eve 1/2", but it really depends.

    When you mount the joystick, if you want it mounted correctly, you should have the joystick 8-9mm below the top panel of the joystick. This was stating in the joystick installation section of the first posts. But a lot of people ignore that to make it easier on themselves.

    ~Paik
  • CrouchingTigerCrouchingTiger MacBauer who? Joined: Posts: 719
    The GT-O is for the JLW... is there no way to get a circular gate on the JLF?

    I'm a HAPP man myself, but I'm building a stick and want to keep the size to a minimum... but HAPP parts are so freakin long/big. I'm thinking of going with Sanwa even though I don't like the buttons, but if I can't get a circular gate I'll just have to bite the size bullet and stick with HAPP.
  • hanz0hanz0 Devil Hanzo Joined: Posts: 774
    hey what size drill bits do i use for sanwa buttons

    the 30mm ones and the 24mm ones what number size drillbits?????:sweat:
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    The GT-O is for the JLW... is there no way to get a circular gate on the JLF?

    I'm a HAPP man myself, but I'm building a stick and want to keep the size to a minimum... but HAPP parts are so freakin long/big. I'm thinking of going with Sanwa even though I don't like the buttons, but if I can't get a circular gate I'll just have to bite the size bullet and stick with HAPP.

    Nope. Sorry. Well, almost anything is possible with enough modding, but to answer your question, it's basically no.
    hey what size drill bits do i use for sanwa buttons

    the 30mm ones and the 24mm ones what number size drillbits?????:sweat:

    30mm and 24mm...hence the sizes that are given. This information was also included in the first posts that I wrote under button installation. Please read before asking questions.

    ~Paik
  • CrouchingTigerCrouchingTiger MacBauer who? Joined: Posts: 719
    Ah, thanks Paik. Well in that case, what is the difference between the JLF and the JLW? I saw where you outlined the difference between the JLF and the Seimetsu LS32, but didn't see a comparison between the JLF and JLW. Unless I overlooked it. =p

    What makes the JLF the more popular choice over the JLW?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    JLW is an older design that uses typical microswitches with levers. No PCB. I really like the JLW with circular gate, personally. But it's really just preference. JLF is just a "better" and more compact design.

    ~Paik
  • SendoSendo Joined: Posts: 56
    You won't be able to order straight from Sanwa or Seimitsu with such a small order. I've done orders myself that were much larger than yours and unless you're going to approach them as a distributor, they won't ship to you since they don't take international orders.

    ~Paik

    Thanks for your previous advice man. I've actually decided that it may actually be worth my while setting myself up as distributor. I'm looking to make a lot of custom sticks on a regular basis, so ordering in excess of 50 sticks initially and say 5 or 600 buttons may make sense. I would then most likely sell the parts individually, whilst using the stock for my own purposes. There aren't many sellers in the UK so it would be another useful resource for people over here.

    Would you be able to give me any advice on how to go about contacting Sanwa, and setting myself up as a distributor? I have several friends fluent in Japanese so communication will not be a problem.

    Thanks again for your help on this man.
  • IsopIsop Oldschooler Joined: Posts: 45
    So, correct me if I'm wrong. In order to "correctly" mount a jlf onto a NON RECESSED surface, such as a straight acrylic case, the material would have to be no thicker than 1/4 inch?

    If true, then does anyone have sugestions for an acrylic/plastic material? The stuff at lowe's/home depot is trash it seems and I'd like to know wtf i'm getting before I shellout the cash for an online purchase. If anyone has experience with acrylics and acrylic case construction, your advice on specific materials would be greatly appreciated.

    The dimensions of the case would be similar to those of the T5 stick, perhaps a tad larger. Just looking for something that is rigid enough.
    "Vitor Belforts bjj is like the nucleus of an atom; people say it exists, but no ones actually seen it."
  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    The GT-O is for the JLW... is there no way to get a circular gate on the JLF?

    I'm a HAPP man myself, but I'm building a stick and want to keep the size to a minimum... but HAPP parts are so freakin long/big. I'm thinking of going with Sanwa even though I don't like the buttons, but if I can't get a circular gate I'll just have to bite the size bullet and stick with HAPP.

    You can use HAPP buttons in a Sanwa stick and only have it be a little deeper. Mine made like this is only 3" deep total, using 1/2" MDF.
  • YetonYeton King of Lurkers Joined: Posts: 127
    Quick question: I was looking into picking up a couple of 30mm button plugs, but noticed that Sanwa's were a little bit raised/convex for my tastes. Are Seimitsu button plugs flatter/more flush with the control panel, or are they the same?
  • MahoMaho Joined: Posts: 171
    I remember reading somewhere that it was possible to change the microswitch from a Seimitsu skeleton button for a Sanwa one (ref SW68?), can someone confirm that?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Would you be able to give me any advice on how to go about contacting Sanwa, and setting myself up as a distributor? I have several friends fluent in Japanese so communication will not be a problem.

    Thanks again for your help on this man.

    If you have a friend that can read and write Japanese just go to their website and e-mail them.
    So, correct me if I'm wrong. In order to "correctly" mount a jlf onto a NON RECESSED surface, such as a straight acrylic case, the material would have to be no thicker than 1/4 inch?

    9mm is the "correct" mounting height. That is about 1/3"
    Quick question: I was looking into picking up a couple of 30mm button plugs, but noticed that Sanwa's were a little bit raised/convex for my tastes. Are Seimitsu button plugs flatter/more flush with the control panel, or are they the same?

    They seems pretty similar to me, but Seimitsu plugs that I've used were smooth. Sanwa's are textured.
    I remember reading somewhere that it was possible to change the microswitch from a Seimitsu skeleton button for a Sanwa one (ref SW68?), can someone confirm that?

    Yes you can.

    ~Paik
  • SatsuiNoHadouRyuSatsuiNoHadouRyu Joined: Posts: 24
    If I was to replace the ball handle, ie change color, on my HRAP2, how would I go about doing that?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    take a flathead screw driver put it into the screw head slot under the stick and turn the ball.
  • hanz0hanz0 Devil Hanzo Joined: Posts: 774
    Nope. Sorry. Well, almost anything is possible with enough modding, but to answer your question, it's basically no.



    30mm and 24mm...hence the sizes that are given. This information was also included in the first posts that I wrote under button installation. Please read before asking questions.

    ~Paik

    I asked that cause i went to the hardware store but all i see is stuff like 1 1/8, 1 1/4 and a bunch of other sizes and i dont know which one is the right one:sweat::looney:
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I asked that cause i went to the hardware store but all i see is stuff like 1 1/8, 1 1/4 and a bunch of other sizes and i dont know which one is the right one:sweat::looney:

    30mm hole saw drill is 1 3/16", 24mm is 15/16" i believe. Just search the forums, i remember there was a post about them.
  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
    One inch is = 25.4mm so it is easy to calculate.
  • SatsuiNoHadouRyuSatsuiNoHadouRyu Joined: Posts: 24
    So for my HRAP2 I use Sanwa OBSF-30/24 snap-ins?
  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
    SatsuiNoHadouRyu
    Yes, or Seimitsu PS-14-G and PS-14-D.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Another stupid question here.

    Say I wanted to make a pad for PS2, would a 4-way or an 8-way stick be better for this?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Another stupid question here.

    Say I wanted to make a pad for PS2, would a 4-way or an 8-way stick be better for this?

    huh? be more specific. What do you want to do? I assume when you say "pad", you mean an arcade stick for ps2?
  • Chaosdragon13Chaosdragon13 Joined: Posts: 295
    Its written in the first post that the sanwa buttons 30mm and 24mm holes based on their number, but I was wondering how well they fit into a 1-3/16" and 15/16" hole. Both of those are close to the metric sizes, only off by 0.1 or so which makes me think that they would work pretty well, but it would be nice to know for sure before I go out an buy the drill bits from somewhere.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    huh? be more specific. What do you want to do? I assume when you say "pad", you mean an arcade stick for ps2?

    Oops, yes I meant an arcade stick.
  • CrouchingTigerCrouchingTiger MacBauer who? Joined: Posts: 719
    The standard mounting height for Japanese joysticks is to have 23-24mm of shaft above the control panel to the bottom of the balltop.

    I see a lot of people routing a recess just deep enough to make a JLF plate flush with the surface of the stick. To get 23-24mm, they'd need to recess it about 3/8 inch. Are you sure 24mm is standard? Or do most people just not care enough about a few mm to get it right? =p
  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    That's the standard, all of the ones I've had and made have the wood routed down far enough to get the stick to standard length. It's around 3/16" with lexan and art on top.
    Its written in the first post that the sanwa buttons 30mm and 24mm holes based on their number, but I was wondering how well they fit into a 1-3/16" and 15/16" hole. Both of those are close to the metric sizes, only off by 0.1 or so which makes me think that they would work pretty well, but it would be nice to know for sure before I go out an buy the drill bits from somewhere.

    It's a good fit. Tight enough to use snap-ins or screw-ins just fine.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Frankly, most people don't care or don't have the technical skills to correctly and accurately make a recess at the correct mounting depth, taking into the account the thickness of their plexi/lexan.

    Not to sound like an ass, but I know more about Sanwa and Seimitsu stuff than probably 99% of the people building sticks. It's the reason I put together this FAQ. So you can choose to believe me or not. Frankly, I don't care. But I did answer your question.

    ~Paik
  • CrouchingTigerCrouchingTiger MacBauer who? Joined: Posts: 719
    with lexan and art on top.

    Man I wish we had that smiley that's like slappin himself on the forehead. I completely didn't factor in the whole plexi/lexan/art thing. Makes sense now. =)
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