The Sanwa and Seimitsu FAQ

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  • IsopIsop Oldschooler Joined: Posts: 45
    Both my jlf's are used and have a bit of "play" before the spring rate ensues. It's like, how you have a little bit of play in the stick of a manual transmision. I noticed that the "white thing" at the base of the shaft, looking down on the stick, would move ever so slightly, indicating the source of the play. Is there a way to tighten this up?
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  • A.CA.C Joined: Posts: 231
    I dream of two schematic draws with the height dimension indicated?

    Dreams can come true :)

    http://www.akihabarashop.com/catalogs/Sanwa0607.pdf
    http://www.akihabarashop.com/catalogs/Seimitsu2006.pdf

    The dimensions you seek are within. Enjoy.
  • hanz0hanz0 Devil Hanzo Joined: Posts: 774
    i know this might sound dumb,:sweat: but where the hell is the ground on the sanwa snap ins???? i been scratching my head for a while:wasted: theres only 2 contacts and none of them are marked to tell you wich one is ground??????:confused: unlike happ buttons that have marks to tell you where to connect stuff:annoy:

    can someone help please
  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    Either one is ground, it doesn't matter.
  • hanz0hanz0 Devil Hanzo Joined: Posts: 774
    thank you, you are my new hero!!!!:wgrin:
  • JubeiNinja69JubeiNinja69 Playing To Win Joined: Posts: 1,158
    i accidently spilled some soda into my seimitsu ps 14 k buttons. now some are sticky. how do you clean them?
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  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
    JubeiNinja69
    Take it apart and clean it (remove the button and take out the microswitch and clean).
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin

    Thanks :clap:
  • MahoMaho Joined: Posts: 171
    I'm working on a stick but won't get my parts till next month, someone loaned me a router for the week end and i would like to do the routing for the JLF-TP-8YT mounting plate. My problem is there is no schematic of it in the sanwa catalog, but there is one for the JLW, is it the same size? And if not does someone have a schematic for the JLF one?
  • Norris Arcade SticksNorris Arcade Sticks StickBldr Relocation Joined: Posts: 517
    Seimitsu LS-40, LS-33 & Seimitsu Shaft Covers

    Hello,

    It is my turn to ask some questions. :wgrin:

    1. Varfr skulle JAG vilja en Seimitsu LS -33 eller LS -40? JAG er inte kunna bertta vad r s olik vid sett p bilderna. r en tarvlig betydligare? Er den skaften lngd , diametern eller cologne?

    2. Hur gr en f en svart skaft tcke fr en LS -32-01?

    JAG vilja fort svar till min sprsmlen, please.
    Thank You,

    Tim & Brie Norris
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Maho, go here:
    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=4031607&postcount=2

    I would try to answer your questions, but they look like they are in Swedish...so, I can't help.

    ~Paik
  • Norris Arcade SticksNorris Arcade Sticks StickBldr Relocation Joined: Posts: 517
    1. Why would I want a Seimitsu LS-33 ors LS-40? I'm unable to tell what is so different when looking at the pictures. Is the base bigger? Is it shaft length , diameter or color?

    2. Is it possible to get a black shaft cover for a LS 32-01?
    Thank You,

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    www.norrisarcadesticks.com
  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
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    LOL :D Swedish (well, kinda, haha)

    1. LS-33 has a very small base (almost same size mountingplate as the Sanwa JLF), smaller than LS-40. LS-40 is about the same size as the LS-32.
    seimitsu-LS33.jpg
    seimitsu-LS40.jpg

    2. LS-32(-01) has to big off a shaft so the shaftcovers don`t fit it.
  • B&BB&B av by Vegett0 Joined: Posts: 479
    Per: Correct me if I'm wrong, but all of the Sei sticks play the exact same right. The only difference between them would be the mounting plate and for the Ls-32-01, the PCB, right.
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    No, they definitely do not all play the same. Some have drastically different feeling including, but not limited to spring tension and throw. Obviously, many of the changes in the construction, like shaft length and smaller base contribute to these differences.

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Has anyone of you tried a LS-56 ? I like the LS-32 , but I kinda want a longer shaft - and according to kowals chart it's engange is even shorter than the LS-32 which would be perfect for my playstyle.
    But looking at the smaller and much lighter base one could think that it feels less solid overall than the LS-32?
  • TingBoyTingBoy Tingaling Joined: Posts: 1,709
    2. LS-32(-01) has to big off a shaft so the shaftcovers don`t fit it.

    I thought someone posted something about modding a Sanwa shaft cover by pushing a 9mm drill through it. It apparently made it big enough to fit Seimitsu shafts.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    No, that was Per talking about LS-40 shafts and you can drill them to fit JLFs.

    ~Paik
  • TingBoyTingBoy Tingaling Joined: Posts: 1,709
    No, that was Per talking about LS-40 shafts and you can drill them to fit JLFs.

    ~Paik

    Oh. I was kinda close? =D
  • pyro_dragunpyro_dragun Chun-licious Joined: Posts: 164
    On this pic: http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4286/beztytuuco8.gif , I don't understand what the execution ratings mean. On the bottom it says the ratings are from 1-6, with 6 being the best, but then I see negative ratings on some of the sticks, positives on others, and just neutral on the other ones. I am wondering what execution refers to in terms of performance with the stick, if the positive and negative ratings are in relation to something.
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  • EvilSamuraiEvilSamurai Joined: Posts: 2,668
    what does the hitting percentage under the diagonal column on the chart comparing the sticks mean?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    On the topic of stick feel...what are some good examples of sticks with a fairly short throw and stiff spring? Is there a way to modify existing sticks to change these characteristics?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Honestly, I also have no clue what a lot of those measurements mean. Most of them are non-standard measurements that kowal seemed to have made up as forms of comparison. I wouldn't read too much into a lot of them.

    I honestly don't put much value into anything that is to the right of the engage column. But maybe that's just me. Kowal knows a lot so you should ask him directly.

    LS-32 is a good example of short throw and stiff spring. It's pretty difficult to adjust throw and not have the joystick function as accurately but spring stiffness is obviously easy.

    ~Paik
  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    Would anyone be able to explain for me the specifics of what makes the Seimitsu LS-32, LS-32-01, and LS-32-02 different from one another? Many thanks in advance!

    (Ultimately I'm interested in possibly putting one into a HRAP2 or a T5 stick, but right now I'm mostly just curious about what is what.)
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    LS-32-01 IS LS-32-02. The catalog ID is LS-32-01 and has been forever, but at some point Seimitsu must have revised the PCB and changed the printing on the PCB to LS-32-02.

    The only difference between, LS-32 and LS-32-01 is that LS-32-01 has the PCB which allows you to use a wire harness. That's it.

    ~Paik
  • kowalkowal smell like Sanwa Joined: Posts: 400
    http://www.kowal.itcom.pl/ArcadeParts_pliki/Comparison.htm

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    rotation (restrictors)
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    throw
    travel [mm]
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    angle [degress]
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    diagonals
    rage [degress]
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    hitting % (probability of hit)
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    force to engage
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    centring to center
    dynamics - the speed of centring to center
    reflecting - recording opposite direction, near strong centring to center (negative phenomenon)
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  • EvilSamuraiEvilSamurai Joined: Posts: 2,668
    Why would an octagonal/circular gate have a lesser chance of hitting a diagonal than a square gate if you hit the joystick correctly and what does reflecting under the centering column mean? Also which is better a square, octagonal, or circular gate on a Sanwa JLF?
  • deadfrogdeadfrog Joined: Joined: Posts: 6,787
    I've got a reaaaaally silly question. One that makes each and every previous and fairly silly question I've asked look like some monsterful Einsteinian opus chef d'oeuvre masterpiece.

    I'd like to order a few 30mm Japanese button hole plugs. Tell me about the most minute and trivial differences between the Sanwa OSBM-30 and the Seimitsu AM-30.

    Thank you for indulging my perfectionist idiocy.
  • FjodFjod Deep Space Miner Joined: Posts: 52
    Does anyone have the exact measurements on the JLF-TP-8S mountingplate (JLF-P-1S) ?
    Tried to search the forums, but found nothing of relevance.
    eh? really?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    I've got a reaaaaally silly question. One that makes each and every previous and fairly silly question I've asked look like some monsterful Einsteinian opus chef d'oeuvre masterpiece.

    I'd like to order a few 30mm Japanese button hole plugs. Tell me about the most minute and trivial differences between the Sanwa OSBM-30 and the Seimitsu AM-30.

    Thank you for indulging my perfectionist idiocy.

    Sanwa's are textured while Seimitsu's are smooth.
    Does anyone have the exact measurements on the JLF-TP-8S mountingplate (JLF-P-1S) ?
    Tried to search the forums, but found nothing of relevance.

    Per has some diagrams but I don't know where they are at the moment. If you ask him, he probably has them.

    ~Paik
  • SazaeSazae ... Joined: Posts: 2,140
    Why would an octagonal/circular gate have a lesser chance of hitting a diagonal than a square gate if you hit the joystick correctly and what does reflecting under the centering column mean? Also which is better a square, octagonal, or circular gate on a Sanwa JLF?

    I have found it to really be a matter of preference. I use an octagon gate on my HRAP2 while I have a square gate on my custom with a Sanwa JLF. And there is no circular gate for the JLF, that is only on the JLW.
  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
    Does anyone have the exact measurements on the JLF-TP-8S mountingplate (JLF-P-1S) ?
    Tried to search the forums, but found nothing of relevance.

    sanwa-JLFP1S.jpg
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    See! Per to the rescue again!

    ~Paik
  • FjodFjod Deep Space Miner Joined: Posts: 52
    See! Per to the rescue again!

    ~Paik

    Yay! What would we do without him!
    eh? really?
  • ShYtFaCeShYtFaCe Joined: Posts: 170
    I just got my JLW-UM in, and holy crap that thing is stiff. The throw is incredibly short, too. It literally feels like it's got a throw distance of half or less than my Seimitsus'.

    Is the JLF drastically different in feel from the JLW? I've got an LS-33 and an LS-32, and I thought the LS-32 was a bit stiff, but the JLW is in another league. It actually feels kind of weird to me, but I guess I won't really know which one I prefer until I've been able to mount all 3 and play on em.

    EDIT: I actually screwed the bat top on and now it does engage a bit easier when playing from the top of the handle, guess I shouldn't have gotten my first impression from just wiggling the shaft. Throw distance seems to have increased a tad bit too, but still noticeably less than the Seimitsus' and still feels more stiff than the LS-32.

    From what I've read the LS-32 is supposedly more stiff feeling than the JLF right? So there must be a pretty big difference in play between the JLW and JLF?
  • Steve FSteve F Hidden ST Character Joined: Posts: 397
    I didn't find this here so I'll have to ask. I am modding my agetec, and I am going to use a JLW with a circular gate for the stick, which it seems will fit within the mounting depth. I prefer happ buttons over sanwas, but there is absolutely not enough depth to put competitions in here. I just wanted to know if there exists a happ button with a smaller mounting depth than 1.75 inches (which is what I have room for in the agetec) or if there are sanwa or seimitsu buttons that are a little more resistant like happs when pressed. I prefer the springier feel, and the sanwas seem to go off too easily for me.
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    From what I've read the LS-32 is supposedly more stiff feeling than the JLF right? So there must be a pretty big difference in play between the JLW and JLF?

    Yes, there is a pretty big difference in feel.
    I didn't find this here so I'll have to ask. I am modding my agetec, and I am going to use a JLW with a circular gate for the stick, which it seems will fit within the mounting depth. I prefer happ buttons over sanwas, but there is absolutely not enough depth to put competitions in here. I just wanted to know if there exists a happ button with a smaller mounting depth than 1.75 inches (which is what I have room for in the agetec) or if there are sanwa or seimitsu buttons that are a little more resistant like happs when pressed. I prefer the springier feel, and the sanwas seem to go off too easily for me.

    I don't know anything about Happ parts so someone else can chime in, but as for springier feel Jap buttons, I don't think so. At least not standard fighting game buttons. I guess you could go with some of the other buttons that they sell for other types of games, but performance-wise I don't know how they measure up.

    You MAY like Korean buttons. I think they're a bit in-between Happ and Jap parts. I know someone is selling some used ones on the boards and I have one set of new ones. Go do a search for Korean under trading outlet and both that guy's thread and my thread should show up.

    ~Paik
  • Norris Arcade SticksNorris Arcade Sticks StickBldr Relocation Joined: Posts: 517
    Whats the trick with the seimitsu e-clip?

    I got it off but could not get it back on. I ended up using a regular e-clip from by "misc e-clip bin"

    I'd like to keep the seimitsu clip on there though.
    Thank You,

    Tim & Brie Norris
    www.norrisarcadesticks.com
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    I honestly just forced it back on...though I talked to Per about it a long time ago and I think he said there's a weird special tool? Or maybe I'm just imagining that convo...

    I also wanted to say that this thread has been getting a lot more use lately. For which I am happy.

    ~Paik
  • Norris Arcade SticksNorris Arcade Sticks StickBldr Relocation Joined: Posts: 517
    I honestly just forced it back on...though I talked to Per about it a long time ago and I think he said there's a weird special tool? Or maybe I'm just imagining that convo...

    I also wanted to say that this thread has been getting a lot more use lately. For which I am happy.

    ~Paik

    You just pushed it straight down? Or did you twist it open a little? Or....push it into the slot?
    Thank You,

    Tim & Brie Norris
    www.norrisarcadesticks.com
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