Xbox One PadHack Thread - Calling the goons "Toodles, Gummowned, Phreak and You" Do it for the Kids

hakdizzlehakdizzle FingerCramp.comJoined: Posts: 931
edited February 2014 in Tech Talk
Making the thread so we can combine our efforts and do this as soon as we can. I am going to try to get my hands on a controller asap.

P.S. This may be a little early but..... the people need this. Also missed Team tech talk, sup. If you are a big dog around here, please reply below, I only know OG's

JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THEIR AWESOME WORK. HERE IS AN AWESOME PCB PINOUT GUIDE BY CHAOTIC MONK(Great Job!)
Heres an attempt to consolidate the thread into a guide.

If your new to padhacking, highly recommend reading this as it goes over a lot of it http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_wiring.html

Before you begin, test the controller out and make sure all the inputs work. Last thing you'd want to do is void it and later discover its a dud.

Start off by removing the boards from inside the pad as done in this vid (you can stop watching at 6:26).


You'll be left with 2 PCBs shown below with the spots you'll be connecting too (optionally you could connect to the pins shown but can be difficult due to close proximity)
pcb.jpg~original

On Top Board Topside you'll notice a 'sticker' on the dpad.
dpad.jpg

You'll want to use something thin and sharp to lift an edge then you should be able to just peel it off.
removedpad.jpg

Gently and carefully scrape off the black stuff at the signal points till you see shiny metal (careful not to scrap too much or you could take off the contact point).
scrape.jpg

keep going on all the signal points till you have shiny metal visible and ready for tinning.
scraped2.jpg

Tin (apply small amount of solder) the signal points and wires. Can be made easier with the use of flux
tinned.jpg

Solder the wires to the signal points (put tinned wire against tinned signal point, apply heat and they should join together)
solder.jpg

You'll want to apply a dab of hot glue to the wire next to each solder to stop it from moving around and potentially breaking off.

When connecting the triggers (RT & LT), you'll need to use a 100ohm resistor
2w30soi.jpg (img credit MacabreMonster)

The two analog cubes can be left on the board or taken off and replaced with resistors.

If leaving on the board simply cut down the grey analog pole that sticks out of the cube and while making sure its centered, apply hot glue to keep it in place.
PE1fxl8.jpg (img credit socks)

If removing, you'll need to replace with 4 resistors (10k ohm recommended).
There'll be 2 sets of 3 points. You'll need to connect a resistor from each of the outer points to the center point.
analogresistor.jpg

Once you have everything wired up your ready to add to your stick. The rest depends on what your setup is.

If your just doing an Xbone stick then its just a matter of connecting the wires to the button/stick and feeding a micro usb cable through.
330uuyx.jpg (img credit MacabreMonster)

If adding to an existing setup with other boards you'll either want to use a seperate usb cable for xbone and leave the existing usb for your current setup
or you'll need to add a switch to determine where the usb should go (could be an actual switch or an Imp board).
Just make sure every board has power (VCC) and ground connected to it or you'll run into issues with buttons pressing by themselves.
instick2.jpg

Good luck!
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 11,924 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hello and Welcome back to Tech Talk. I am the stubborn hard-headed know-it-all that some how head-butted his way into getting minor cred.
    Yes a Xbone pad hacking thread would be great, here hoping they are common ground.

    Until the Xbone is here we can always refresh on the basics.
    Like taking your time with a multimeter and probing to see where the grounds are if the board a common ground board.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Scurred of LimeGreenPenis in my stocking. Joined: Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
    GL guys.

    Common ground would be good. If you're already dual modded with a Cthulhu/360 board, what would be the advised method of tri-modding for three USB?

    I know there are DP3T switches, but say you wanted switchless with one USB cable? I don't think combining imps would work, right? At least not version 2.
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  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭✭
    Yeah we'll work on it, I'm not holding my breath on any sort of common ground for the pads though. I'll probably snag an extra pad just in case I accidentally destroy the thing.
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭✭
    Maybe not for the official controllers, but 3rd party pads are more likely to be common ground.
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  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭✭
    gahrling wrote: »
    Maybe not for the official controllers, but 3rd party pads are more likely to be common ground.

    Ahh, but the question is how long until we see them. On release will companies like afterglow have them, or will it be a significant amount of time? We could be stuck with the 1st party pads for a while. I haven't seen any other accessories shown (that aren't driving wheels and such).
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭✭
    IMO 3rd party pads are inevitable and imminent. In the last 20 years has there ever been a massive console release when they weren't?
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  • GummoGummo Can We Mod It? Yes, We Can! Joined: Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Might need a imp v3 made that can switch 3 or 4 sets of usb lines. Hold different buttons for dif systems like v1 did.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 11,924 ✭✭✭✭✭
    gahrling wrote: »
    Maybe not for the official controllers, but 3rd party pads are more likely to be common ground.

    Ahh, but the question is how long until we see them. On release will companies like afterglow have them, or will it be a significant amount of time? We could be stuck with the 1st party pads for a while. I haven't seen any other accessories shown (that aren't driving wheels and such).
    I think Afterglow is a PDP product line, sadly the Afterglow pads I butchered are not common ground.
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  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2013
    gahrling wrote: »
    IMO 3rd party pads are inevitable and imminent. In the last 20 years has there ever been a massive console release when they weren't?

    You have to remember though, Xbone isn't even worldwide release so a lot of the usual companies may not even care for a little while. I'm hoping you are right and we see 3rd party shortly after release because hacking 1st party tends to suck, but I'm just not counting on it.

    Darksakul wrote: »
    I think Afterglow is a PDP product line, sadly the Afterglow pads I butchered are not common ground.

    Yeah that's true.
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  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you look at the new stick set up, and harnessing, should be an easy mod . Markman can you share the pin out specs on the harness?
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭✭
    MarkMan wrote: »
    There won't be any common ground pads for awhile.


    From MadCatz or from the industry as a whole?

    @Phreak - I hope I'm right as well! There's a community run arcade in London that is just itching for some pad-hacks to throw in their Blast City's.
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  • ed1371ed1371 Yogahh Joined: Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭✭
    Recieved an update the other day from Best Buy that my preorder for the 4 controllers had been moved to the left and is now Nov 15th.

    1 extra for my kiddo, and 3 for me to padhack :)

    Wont be able to test it (except with multimeter) until later than that but I am not too worried about it.
    why crimp when you can solder??

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  • DanAdamKOFDanAdamKOF Joined: Posts: 980 ✭✭✭
    Can't you use this opto-isolator trick to dual mod a non-common ground Xbox One pad? http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/58495/connecting-seimitsu-ls32-01-or-sanwa-jlf-to-non-common-ground-xbox360-pads/p1
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  • hakdizzlehakdizzle FingerCramp.com Joined: Posts: 931
    Got a controller today, gonna try to look at it soon!
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  • hakdizzlehakdizzle FingerCramp.com Joined: Posts: 931
    Gamestop is selling em now btw
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  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 7,286 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yo if someone can get this to work put me in for 2.
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  • d3vd3v The Grumpy Machine. Joined: Posts: 26,415 mod
    MarkMan wrote: »
    There won't be any common ground pads for awhile.
    Profound sadness.

    Any explanation why that's the case Mark? Technical limitations? Or you guys just don't see a market for 3rd party pads at the moment?

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  • purbeastpurbeast Joined: Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭
    Debating buying a controller this weekend to try and mod a joystick I have, but the problem is there is no way to even test out if we're doing it right or not since PC can't recognize them yet...
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  • ed1371ed1371 Yogahh Joined: Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    hmm... guess I need to crack it open...

    edit: opened the box and eww... the crosskey is very "clicky".... never felt one like that before

    20131116_174303_zps42bd491a.jpg
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    why crimp when you can solder??

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  • FrankCastleAZFrankCastleAZ SRKTT Modder & AZHP Gaming Founder Joined: Posts: 575 ✭✭✭✭
    Subscribed. With all the KI tournaments I plan on running here in AZ I was hoping for a somewhat quick padhack solution for XBone. I love the new Madcatz sticks, but I just can't afford more sticks right now (especially since I already have like 16 from DC/PS2/PS3/360).
    Looking forward to your findings Ed!
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  • GummoGummo Can We Mod It? Yes, We Can! Joined: Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just got one and opened it up. I don't have my tools on me so I'm not 100% sure but it should be safe to say its common ground. The common trace connects to the - batt pin. Triggers setup like the DC pads triggers.

    Shits a crazy pad. Its a two pcb setup.
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭✭
    Gummo wrote: »
    Shits a crazy pad. Its a two pcb setup.

    Ughh..

    Hopefully that will change with the later revisions. Good news that it's common ground though!
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  • GummoGummo Can We Mod It? Yes, We Can! Joined: Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    It will be a lot easier to.deal with over the ds4 soldering wise. Space wise lol.


    Lets put all the buttons on one pcb except for B. You have to go on the other pcb. Should see the rubber membrane. Its 3d cus of the gap between the pcbs.
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  • Hanzo_HasashiHanzo_Hasashi Primal Rage rules Joined: Posts: 1,202 ✭✭
    Gummo! Post pics please!
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  • purbeastpurbeast Joined: Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭
    Any more info yet on how easy/hard it will be to pad hack these? I have experience with some pads and wiring up my own joysticks, and I'm thinking about doing it with these as well but I don't think I'm smart enough to figure it out myself as far as grounds and shit, but I can follow diagrams :)
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  • nscnsc Stay free, it's the way to be Joined: Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It should be a crime to not post videos like that in 1080p.

    Also this teardown video is my favourite xbone media to date.
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  • RufusRufus An unexpected database error has occurred. Joined: Posts: 1,941 ✭✭
    I think the GIMX / project box stick stuff makes more sense than padhacking as a way to get equal access.
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  • FrankCastleAZFrankCastleAZ SRKTT Modder & AZHP Gaming Founder Joined: Posts: 575 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    nsc wrote: »
    It should be a crime to not post videos like that in 1080p.

    Agreed.
    Rufus wrote: »
    I think the GIMX / project box stick stuff makes more sense than padhacking as a way to get equal access.

    I like GIMX idea but that relies on 1 person and there's no telling how long it will take. If we padhack, we get it done immediately and only rely on ourselves and our padhacking ability.




    Pulled from the video which is max 480p so quality is limited-

    PCB01-Front.jpg
    PCB01-Back01.jpg
    PCB01-Back02.jpg
    PCB02-Front.jpg
    PCB02-Back.jpg

    I've got two sticks waiting for pads to be inserted. <-- sounds dirty XD


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  • GummoGummo Can We Mod It? Yes, We Can! Joined: Posts: 4,909 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What I'm wondering if the pcb with all the button contacts is needed for a padhack. I womt know til I have a xbone or til there's working pc drivers
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  • klenerskleners Joined: Posts: 201
    I won't know till I get off work and crack my XBONE open but is the traces from the first board going to a chip on the second before buttons? Or is it just traces. If just traces it's probably a useless daughter board.
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    Thanks for doing the hard work for the rest of us, guys, lol. I don't suppose the pad is still USB 2.0? Will it work with Imps, etc?
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Scurred of LimeGreenPenis in my stocking. Joined: Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So is it those pin connectors that send the signals from the daughter board instead of a ribbon cable?
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    nsc wrote: »
    It should be a crime to not post videos like that in 1080p.

    Also this teardown video is my favourite xbone media to date.
    Okay so I take a note, only do videos in stunning 240p
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Scurred of LimeGreenPenis in my stocking. Joined: Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Darksakul wrote: »
    nsc wrote: »
    It should be a crime to not post videos like that in 1080p.

    Also this teardown video is my favourite xbone media to date.
    Okay so I take a note, only do videos in stunning 240p

    240p? From now on I'm doing it on my old LG chocolate. In vertical mode.
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  • klenerskleners Joined: Posts: 201
    edited November 2013
    Pad is USB 2.0 Working on PC driver now to get it to be used as controller to test leads
    So is it those pin connectors that send the signals from the daughter board instead of a ribbon cable?
    Yes there are two headers that connect them together
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  • UnreallysticUnreallystic Painyatta Joined: Posts: 13,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    oooh this is making me feel good. I might have to crack open one of my joysticks and buy another controller. I figured I'd buy one MC Brand joystick, and build another.
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  • MrWizardMrWizard Supreme Commander Joined: Posts: 22,090 admin
    anyone in So Cal that wants to try this, hit me up! I need one in my old school mas stick for KI!
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  • purbeastpurbeast Joined: Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭
    Yeah I have a TE2 on the way but won't be here until Monday, but if there is a pinout of this or if @kleners installs one by tonight or tomorrow, I think I'm going to go get me a controller and wire up one of my sticks, just so I can have 2 of them :)
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  • Dai_Dai_ Joined: Posts: 363 ✭✭✭
    NICE!! Thanks guys. This will come in handy.
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  • ed1371ed1371 Yogahh Joined: Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭✭
    I wont be "FIRST!!!!111oneone11" but I will have one working in a project this weekend... will test it on my sons XBone when I pick it up friday.

    I love me some padhacks... with super wiring too :) I have some premade 28 AWG saved from joes stick
    why crimp when you can solder??

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  • purbeastpurbeast Joined: Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭
    If anyone get's one wired up please post the diagrams for us!
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭✭
    Question - being wireless, will any sticks we mod be banned at tournaments?
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  • FrankCastleAZFrankCastleAZ SRKTT Modder & AZHP Gaming Founder Joined: Posts: 575 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    gahrling wrote: »
    Question - being wireless, will any sticks we mod be banned at tournaments?

    Probably, but we won't really know yet and I'm sure TOs will have different opinions. Although we know that some new gen sticks will have wires (MadcatzTE2), who knows what the future holds for our gaming technology. We're eventually going to have everything wireless anyways but I just don't see it this gen.

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  • nscnsc Stay free, it's the way to be Joined: Posts: 1,624 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unless syncing becomes EXTREMELY EASIER and desyncing for that matter, tournies will definitely still be wired.
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2013
    At the moment the only controller that comes with a wire on the Xbox1 is the TE2. So will that make the TE2 the only 'legal' controller in a tournament (or a stick that uses the same pcb)? There aren't even any wired pads.

    Or can the official controllers be used like wired pads with a USB cable plugged in?
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