Main differences between Myoungshin Fanta and Crown 303-FK?

AfterfxAfterfx Joined: Posts: 108
Hey I am looking to swap to a true korean lever now that I have compatibility but my one main question is, how much of a difference in feel and precision is the new Crown 303-FK to the traditional Fanta?

Thanks, Corey.

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  • kowalkowal smell like Sanwa Joined: Posts: 400
    all crown have crappy rubbber grommet
    has an asymmetric hardness on surface, the same on throw and engage.
    right is not the same how on left
    depends on the models, you can hit good base, you can hit crap

    Myoungshin: there are two versions

    * (old ver?) with medium rubbber grommet, actuator is larger and have asymmetrical shape - best model
    * low stiffness with stright actuator I do not recommend but still better than Crown
    You can replace the rubbber grommet low/medium or medium/low but the medium is more stable than low

    best option buy medium Fanta and additionally low stffnes rubbber grommet.
    play few days - select better for you
    Luftwaffe use only Suzo
  • sethian0sethian0 B PoSiTiVe - B KiND Joined: Posts: 1,092
    To add on to what Kowal is saying, from what I hear via word of mouth is that the Crowns are a cheaper feeling sloppier version of the M. Fanta. If your case can fit it I would definately get that. If you are cheap and don't want to spend money to try the crown out, go to a game store, buy a Korean madcats, test it, and return it. As long as you don't break the seal on the bottom and your stores policy allows for returns of opened perphs. you should be okay.
  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    I'll back what kowal said. If you've got a case that can mount an authentic Korean joystick, get the Myoungshin Fanta. Crown sticks aren't expressly lower quality, but they have a TON of machining inconsistencies that make purchasing them sort of a risk. I'll grant that I've only tried 3 different Crown models, but I've found at least one major problem in each.

    - As kowal said, the Crown sticks have poorly machined rubber grommets that don't provide the same resistance in all directions. Some directions might feel as if they have heavier resistance compared to the others. In two of the Crown sticks I tried (the CWL 305 and the CWJ-303N) the rubber grommets weren't even the correct size. They were notably smaller and were able to move around inside of the base.

    - It could be related to the grommet inconsistency issue, but corners are comparatively much harder to hit on Crown joysticks compared to the Myoungshin Fanta, particularly the Crown joysticks that are modeled after the Fanta, like the CWJ-303N and the Japanese mounting plate capable CWJ-303A. As kowal said, you have to move the lever a lot further to activate any direction compared to a Fanta, even further to hit a corner.

    - Finally, the shafts on Crown joysticks also suffer machining inconsistencies. In the CWJ-303A and the CWL 305 I had, the shafts were ever so slightly bent, meaning that the already inconsistent directions and diagonals were even more inconsistent due to the bend. It varies from batch to batch I hear, but I'd rather not risk the inconsistency and just buy a Myoungshin Fanta.

    I wish I could say that it was just a matter of it being a preference thing like Sanwa vs. Seimitsu, but if you're getting a Fanta style joystick, there is literally no reason to get a Crown. Just buy the Myoungshin Fanta and get the real deal. You'll be much happier with it than if you went the other way.
  • kowalkowal smell like Sanwa Joined: Posts: 400
    on bottom fanta have square gate
    - you dont fell this in normal move because funell at the top is circle and get You priority on rotation
    but little help on clear diagonal

    303 have circle on bottom
    and have worse actuator

    303 or Fanta
    is the same story how
    Hori or Sanwa
    the choice is easy

    I do not say crown is shit, I like 305 and 306
    but do not buy 303 if you can buy Fanta
    303 is only an imitation 4me
    Luftwaffe use only Suzo
  • AfterfxAfterfx Joined: Posts: 108
    The main reason I would bring this up is because the new compatibility of mounting widens the horizon quite a bit for people that don't have a custom stick or aren't all that mod savvy I purchased on and am hoping for the best thanks for the tips though, I am also just hoping that they got their shit together with the later models of the 303FK.

    Thanks, Corey.
  • alainveyalainvey Joined: Posts: 290
    I think wazwuz is selling replacement grommets in the trading outlet.

    Kowal, where can you get a replacement grommet in Europe?
  • kowalkowal smell like Sanwa Joined: Posts: 400
    edited October 2013
    Luftwaffe use only Suzo
  • alainveyalainvey Joined: Posts: 290
    I see, so you just removed the grommet from a Myoungshin Fanta and put it in a Crown.
  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    alainvey wrote: »
    I see, so you just removed the grommet from a Myoungshin Fanta and put it in a Crown.

    You actually can't; the Crown and Myoungshin Fanta have two entirely different shaped rubber grommets. They are incompatible with each other, although you can replace any Crown rubber grommet with any other Crown rubber grommet, and you can swap the grommet from a Myoungshin Fanta into a Taeyoung Fanta and vice versa. You just can't put the grommet from a Myoungshin/Taeyoung stick into any Crown stick.
  • AfterfxAfterfx Joined: Posts: 108
    edited October 2013
    So essentially the only reason you look down on the 303FK is because of the rushed delivery if you will on production? Often flaws in the grommet and sometimes other things?

    Corey.
  • alainveyalainvey Joined: Posts: 290
    I think Kowal was criticising the Crown 303A model in general, including the FK version. I would trust Kowal's advice on this matter.
  • AfterfxAfterfx Joined: Posts: 108
    I understand he really doesn't advise anyone to use it or even purchase it but I cannot tell if there is some bias involved or he had one bad experience and deem them all terrible is the thing, if I were to get a perfectly machined one per say would it feel close to the Fanta?

    Thanks, Corey.
  • VirtualCosmicVirtualCosmic Joined: Posts: 165
    I have had experience with the crown 303-fk vs. the myoungshin fanta and I also agree with everything that Kowal has said.
  • AfterfxAfterfx Joined: Posts: 108
    Anything you can be specific on with it Virtual?

    Thanks, Corey.
  • boogityboyboogityboy Impact-Dampened Joined: Posts: 308
    edited October 2013
    I just had my crown 303-fk go "bad" after just 3 weeks of use. Whenever I do a fireball motion it literally feels like the shaft is scraping/grinding along the top circular opening of the mounting plate. it's so bad when I took the stick apart the shaft actually has a groove in it where it was scraping. It didn't do this when I first got it and it's apparently being caused by the cheap rubber tension grommet in the thing. Kind of disappointed I wasted $30 on one of these.
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  • VirtualCosmicVirtualCosmic Joined: Posts: 165
    Well the problem with the 303-fk is that the rubber tension grommet doesn't feel as "solid" as the myoungshin's rubber grommet and the diagonals on the stick are absolutely terrible, probably some of the worst diagonals I have seen on any joystick. IMO, Just get the myoungshin and drill a hole for the collar in the top panel or just buy a etokki omni Korean stick, I have a revision 2 with the myoungshin and it is great.(shameless plug for laugh) :)
  • fai9alfai9al Joined: Posts: 15
    kowal wrote: »
    * (old ver?) with medium rubbber grommet, actuator is larger and have asymmetrical shape - best model

    Do they still produce them?

  • AfterfxAfterfx Joined: Posts: 108
    Okay Kwal you are this close to convincing me to drill out my b15 case, do you have a guide on what diameter to use?

    Corey.
  • VirtualCosmicVirtualCosmic Joined: Posts: 165
    Oh, you were planning to do this to your B15 Captain America stick? IMO that changes everything. I wouldn't drill it because once you do it, if you don't like the myoungshin fanta there is no going back to a Sanwa jlf or any other Japanese style joystick (maybe it is still possible and the dustwasher will cover the bigger hole but I have never seen a Korean mount top plate converted back to a Japanese joystick top plate, maybe darksakul or kowal can offer some additional insight if it is possible) But if it is not possible to switch back to a japanese style joystick I defiantly would NOT do this to a B15 stick. I would buy another case or arcade stick (something worth way less) and drill and make a Korean stick out of that. Plus like I said if you don't like the fanta stick and you still want to sell the B15 stick I think it will be much harder to sell it being that you changed the stick forever (unless someone sends it back to Sam and has him make a new top panel to restore it back to original.)
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,392
    Oh, you were planning to do this to your B15 Captain America stick? IMO that changes everything. I wouldn't drill it because once you do it, if you don't like the myoungshin fanta there is no going back to a Sanwa jlf or any other Japanese style joystick (maybe it is still possible and the dustwasher will cover the bigger hole but I have never seen a Korean mount top plate converted back to a Japanese joystick top plate, maybe darksakul or kowal can offer some additional insight if it is possible) But if it is not possible to switch back to a japanese style joystick I defiantly would NOT do this to a B15 stick. I would buy another case or arcade stick (something worth way less) and drill and make a Korean stick out of that. Plus like I said if you don't like the fanta stick and you still want to sell the B15 stick I think it will be much harder to sell it being that you changed the stick forever (unless someone sends it back to Sam and has him make a new top panel to restore it back to original.)

    I am with you VirtualCosmic. I wouldn't want to do that to a B15 case either.
    po pimpus wrote:
    That's sad as fuck.
  • alainveyalainvey Joined: Posts: 290
    I would consider getting a second panel for the stick.
  • VirtualCosmicVirtualCosmic Joined: Posts: 165
    Thanks Darksakul. I just believe doing this to a B15 stick would be a HUGE mistake. I wouldn't dream of doing anything like this to the several B15 sticks that I have, to see this done would be a real shame.
  • AfterfxAfterfx Joined: Posts: 108
    That's how I felt at first but I probably couldn't do it anyway lol thanks.
  • dejdej Joined: Posts: 460
    drilling a fanta hole in a b15 is desecration...
  • CUTWESTCUTWEST There is no rivalry. =( Joined: Posts: 1,771
    damn! so much hate for the Crown CWJ fanta LOL! I have a slightly modified one and its a beast!
  • jafsterjafster Joined: Posts: 6
    ^^ yep 303n is beast for me, i can hit diagnals easily all the time in tekken (mishimas) and i also own both fantas/crown fk
    im currently using the 303n with fk grommit and i love it
  • zesta5zesta5 Joined: Posts: 1
    Quick question, can a fanta be mounted on a seimitsu bracket? I have a razer atrox and it allows you to mount both sanwa and seimitsu sticks... I tried the crown fk and I really like it a lot but I'd like to try the real deal...
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,392
    zesta5 wrote: »
    Quick question, can a fanta be mounted on a seimitsu bracket?
    No

    You need a Universal mounting plate from Paradise Arcade shop,
    Also you need to drill the top panel, make the joystick opening wider to allow the Fanta joystick collar to go though
    po pimpus wrote:
    That's sad as fuck.
  • jafsterjafster Joined: Posts: 6
    yeah you need to drill the metal plate for fanta, dont have to use a universal plate if you have a fk lying around i used this mounting plate and just drilled a 35mm hole through it to except fanta collar, you will then have to dremal a bit of the fanta's plastic housing as it will slightly cover the fk's mouting holes you will still maintain the fanta's mouting holes though if you do this.
  • JustOTGFrameJustOTGFrame Joined: Posts: 2
    So crown 303n isn't the same as myoungshin Fanta feeling? Just want to know if 303n has a lot more inconsistencies. Which is better myoungshin or crown, I'll buy one of them in a week from now.
  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 182
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  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 182
    @JustOTGFrame From my personal experience I prefer the Myoungshin Fanta over the Crown sticks (even the newly release 309mj). Though, the 309mj is the best stick released from Crown and can accommodate most of the fight sticks out there (ie TE2, TE2+, Hori VLX to name a few that I tested).
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