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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    There's absolutely no way this can be true.
    You can test it by yourself: it is extremely simple. Three attacks should dizzy, if you are fast enough. Of course, O.Gat recovers much faster so he has a much better time throwing 3 projectiles before the timer runs out.
    Also N.Sagat's upper does more damage, I've taken out like 40% of someone's vitality with it before. Sometimes it just does MONSTER damage that I've never seen with O.gat.[/quote]The life bar does not deplete linearly with damage.

    The damage seems correct. All five attacks (16+11+4+4+4) sum for more than 36. Also, those are either average or most common values.
  • ultracomboultracombo Weakest Loser Joined: Posts: 741
    Still not convinced about the dizzy values. I never get the random dizzy with a single tiger that I get with O.gat, and I play n.gat more often. Though it makes sense that's it's easier to dizzy with faster tigers.
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  • ShariShari Overestimated. Joined: Posts: 2,626
    Any reliable ToD for O.Sagat on a crouching opponent ?
    On standing i can get an easy one from st.mk on everyone up to Gief but i cant find anything that does enough on crouching.
    Excluding characters that eat both hits of st.mk while crouching.
    Closest i've gotten on crouching is from c.mp c.mk TS. but the TS seems to miss depending on how far away the combo starts
    Haunts: Is it lag or just impeccable footsies and spacing, I don't know.
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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    O.Sagat has the zoning of death.
  • jdmjdm skillz Joined: Posts: 178
    TIGER TIGER TIGER....TIGER UPPERCUT!
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  • jdmjdm skillz Joined: Posts: 178
    i think n.sagat can cross up with j.mk. i always wanted to try x up j.mk cr.mp cr.mk tiger knee.
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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    i think n.sagat can cross up with j.mk. i always wanted to try x up j.mk cr.mp cr.mk tiger knee.
    Just done it. It works! It does not if you use a Tiger, though: at least not on Ryu.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    He can cross-up with j.mk. We have a local player who uses N.sagat, and he loves going for ambiguous cross-ups like this. It's the main reason he prefers N.Sagat over O.Sagat.
  • watsonwatson Joined: Posts: 1,345
    o sagat jumping short can cross up too...... and st shorts can easily hit confirm into tiger knee knockdowns, rinse and repeat.... super cheap. vs sim you can also do a st short tiger knee lockdown but i forget the exact sequence and timing. just involves doing st shorts into short knees. obv finish a combo and get knockdown if they dont block the shorts. not sure if this helps anyone but just throwing random stuff i remember out there. more to come if the cobwebs clear up!
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  • jdmjdm skillz Joined: Posts: 178
    really, j.lk can cross up? thats news to me. not alot of o.sagat players really care about cross ups lol.
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  • ultracomboultracombo Weakest Loser Joined: Posts: 741
    i think n.sagat can cross up with j.mk. i always wanted to try x up j.mk cr.mp cr.mk tiger knee.
    That's a good hit confirm combo on shotos, since they have to be standing for you to land a knee or st.hp, and whiffing a fierce up close isn't smart lol.
    o sagat jumping short can cross up too...... and st shorts can easily hit confirm into tiger knee knockdowns, rinse and repeat.... super cheap. vs sim you can also do a st short tiger knee lockdown but i forget the exact sequence and timing. just involves doing st shorts into short knees. obv finish a combo and get knockdown if they dont block the shorts. not sure if this helps anyone but just throwing random stuff i remember out there. more to come if the cobwebs clear up!

    It's better with far standing strong. Standing strong is the coolest shit against sim, he can't crouch it, so it puts on a lot of pressure at the right range. St.lk is easier to use since it has more range though.

    Gat's (works for both versions) j.lk requires some pixel tight spacing to crossup with, though it's semi-reliable on Dictator, at least from my experience. I wouldn't bother with it unless you're pretty corner pinned and you need some way out that takes your opponent off guard. That's the only time I've ever used it on anyone but Dic.

    N.Sagat combo for the real ass G's who know what's good: j.mk cr.mp st.hp xx tiger knee, dizzy, repeat

    If only you had the badass manliness to perform such a sexy combo.

    more combos:

    (n.gat) j.mk cr.lp st.hp xx tiger uppercut (for the fat fucks)
    (n.gat) j.hk st.hp xx tiger knee (this bad boy dizzies a lot)
    (los dos) j.hk close st.hk xx tiger knee (3 roundhouses in one combo, why can't you be this awesome?)
    (o.gat) cr.mk st.mk/st.mp xx tiger knee (for big nigs)
    "If ultracombo misses a low roundhouse, he is likely to continue doing it." - TheMuffinMan
  • jdmjdm skillz Joined: Posts: 178
    o.sagat can combo off his st.mk up close. both sagats can cross up with j.lk but maybe its character (opponent) and spacing specific i'm not sure...

    i like doing j.hp st.hk tiger knee (hk version) when they're dizzy with him (n.sagat).
    and meaty cr.mk cr.mk tiger knee.

    cl.hp to high tiger usually stuns them when u punish (shotos whiffing dp's and etc...).
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  • SotoSoto The un-safe jump master. ~FrankieSnow~ Joined: Posts: 244
    I saw some gats droping yer combos ...here some 3 hitters timing

  • F-A-M-I-L-Y ManF-A-M-I-L-Y Man feedin you and feedin you Joined: Posts: 229
    Soto, that is the weirdest joystick grip I've seen.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    I've never seen a grip where the thumb is not used. You must have some weird and mean-ass looking callouses on your fingers.
  • F-A-M-I-L-Y ManF-A-M-I-L-Y Man feedin you and feedin you Joined: Posts: 229
    I'm going to change my grip to the Spidey web grip.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    True pros only use 2 fingers to hold the stick, like a cigarette.
  • SotoSoto The un-safe jump master. ~FrankieSnow~ Joined: Posts: 244
    hahaha true my grip is not listed (wineglass, monkey grip, eagle grip, grip of doom...etc) i call it D Raptor grip
    FIn1X.jpg
    , i try sometime using the daigo one when he posted a vid showing the best way for him to play .... but fk it, only grip for me is the raptor.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    I guess I use the "Daigo" grip as its called. It feels extremely comfortable, I can execute anything I want without having to change hand positions (except for juice kicks on P1 side), and involves all fingers and thumbs in manipulating the arcade stick.

    I showed my grip to DGV and he seems to like it. For some reason, he seemed impressed/intrigued by the fact that I can execute Ryu's shit without having to awkwardly contort my hands and fingers.

    Also, where the fuck did you manage you find some random raptor claw grip image that seems to be holding a samurai sword sheath?
  • SotoSoto The un-safe jump master. ~FrankieSnow~ Joined: Posts: 244
    Also, where the fuck did you manage you find some random raptor claw grip image that seems to be holding a samurai sword sheath?
    im not sure if that a Raptor hand or Dragon ...
    here some cross ups all pile up
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    Nice videos. I especially love the one of that Russian guy who assigned the 'coin' button to all of his inputs. LOL.
  • ultracomboultracombo Weakest Loser Joined: Posts: 741
    nice vid soto, but it's missing the cr.mp into st.hp combos. Also you can link cr.mk into st.hp as well but I think you can do cr.mp from a farther range.

    This video I made a while ago has a few of them, but not as many combos as yours.



    Also cr.lp into st.hp is useful cause it combos even if your ambiguous j.mk doesn't cross up.
    "If ultracombo misses a low roundhouse, he is likely to continue doing it." - TheMuffinMan
  • F-A-M-I-L-Y ManF-A-M-I-L-Y Man feedin you and feedin you Joined: Posts: 229
    Damn, I never realized N. Sagat had such high damage in his combos.
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  • ultracomboultracombo Weakest Loser Joined: Posts: 741

    orgasms everywhere

    Muneo > Yaya. Really I have never seen such amazing sagat play.

    Really he just has so many amazing set ups, it's genius.
    "If ultracombo misses a low roundhouse, he is likely to continue doing it." - TheMuffinMan
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    Muneo seems to be the new up and coming premiere Gat player. Yaya is still good, but I feel like he hasn't dominated the scene like he used to. It's understandable, the guy has been playing since the original SF2 days, and I'm sure getting older + getting more adult responsibilities has dulled his ST prowess a bit.
  • blitzfublitzfu Cosmic Power Joined: Posts: 3,072
    It must be so tough for New Sagat players, knowing that the old version of Sagat is so much more powerful. And yet they find the courage and determination to stick with New Sagat, even in the face of the toughest ST comp in the world. I admire Muneo and Yaya for that, equally as much as for their skill and talent.
  • WolmarWolmar Joined: Posts: 184
    Muneo was just so impressive at x mania 13. He might be the player that was the revelation of this tournament ; not so because he'd be new to the scene (yes, he's not), but just by the fact he confirmed the huge talent he has as New Sagat.
    Against Balrog, it determine the direction Shoryu fist input is difficult. Has been condemned to the left orinput, so right. I try to issue a reversal is born so firmly command you miss wandering.
  • Professor JonesProfessor Jones Joined: Posts: 213
    It must be so tough for New Sagat players, knowing that the old version of Sagat is so much more powerful. And yet they find the courage and determination to stick with New Sagat, even in the face of the toughest ST comp in the world. I admire Muneo and Yaya for that, equally as much as for their skill and talent.

    The funny thing is that Muneo started playing with S. Sagat, reached a high level, and then proceeded to do the same with N. Sagat.
  • ultracomboultracombo Weakest Loser Joined: Posts: 741
    The funny thing is that Muneo started playing with S. Sagat, reached a high level, and then proceeded to do the same with N. Sagat.
    And Yaya's been playing since WW days right? That means he started with CE Sagat, not n.gat. Also wasn't Yaya an O.gat player before everyone asked him to switch?
    "If ultracombo misses a low roundhouse, he is likely to continue doing it." - TheMuffinMan
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Muneo was just so impressive at x mania 13. He might be the player that was the revelation of this tournament ; not so because he'd be new to the scene (yes, he's not), but just by the fact he confirmed the huge talent he has as New Sagat.
    Muneo's team had taken out D/Ani/Oto's team a couple of years ago, at SBO. I have the impression everyone there knows who the great players are.
  • WolmarWolmar Joined: Posts: 184
    Chill, I'm not saying otherwise. Just stating Muneo did an awesome tourney, and that he deserves as much recognition as Yaya for instance, which I'm not sure he has, for the majority.
    Against Balrog, it determine the direction Shoryu fist input is difficult. Has been condemned to the left orinput, so right. I try to issue a reversal is born so firmly command you miss wandering.
  • DNGR S PAPERCUTDNGR S PAPERCUT Joined: Posts: 1,608
    Don't worry about oldschool_BR, he is kind of a dick.

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  • ultracomboultracombo Weakest Loser Joined: Posts: 741
    It's funny that you say "kind of".
    "If ultracombo misses a low roundhouse, he is likely to continue doing it." - TheMuffinMan
  • -TheBastard--TheBastard- FAB u LOSE! Joined: Posts: 1,276
    its funny that u say "dick"
    <blitzfu> cool, and bastard is a loser, screen shot that
    <Pasky> he's always trolling, he has a macro button that troll
    <Kyouya>LoL Bastard, best post evah! But you forgot the tiger uppercut!!
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