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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,171
    Is it just me or does every decent shoto player now have jump in/OS down pat? Makes the match 10x harder :/ Life is hard for the sumo enough as it is.
    ST/HDR/USF2: Honda/Rog/O.Hawk | USF4: Bison | SFV: Ryu :(
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,712
    Is it just me or does every decent shoto player now have jump in/OS down pat? Makes the match 10x harder :/ Life is hard for the sumo enough as it is.

    Maybe not ALL of them, but a good chunk of them. It's not all that difficult to do given that Honda's reversals aren't even that fast.

    The worst part is that you don't even need to do them. I never jump at Honda on his wakeup. Just two fireballs in his face is enough to push him away, build meter, and do chip damage.
  • EhondaEhonda Nothingness of Xband Joined: Posts: 399
    I was looking at the Honda freeze throws.. wow crazy stuff. the weirdest thing I have ever experienced in ST ( all arcade) was Honda vs Honda match and I was being throw with mp and I was able to oichio out of the throw. Not sure how I was able to do this but I was only ever able to do it again once. I also saw on ggpo Claw throw Honda out of the first few frames of the oichio. I have this recorded but not sure how to post it here.
    aka Nothingness from xband
    t+ T+ -r+ m+ s+ v+ M+ o+
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    SUMO
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,712
    Ehonda wrote: »
    I was looking at the Honda freeze throws.. wow crazy stuff. the weirdest thing I have ever experienced in ST ( all arcade) was Honda vs Honda match and I was being throw with mp and I was able to oichio out of the throw. Not sure how I was able to do this but I was only ever able to do it again once. I also saw on ggpo Claw throw Honda out of the first few frames of the oichio. I have this recorded but not sure how to post it here.

    Those aren't possible . Throws are 0-frame startups, so there is nothing you can do once the throw animation itself starts. You're probably just seeing GGPO rollback. That doesn't happen offline.
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    I broke the bath tub.
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,171
    edited July 2015
    I recently did some work in the Honda ST wiki for character matchups. Anyone care to comment? All my edits are under "x64" (grumble grumble wish I could change username grumble). Keep in mind most of the matchup stuff was blank when I started.

    http://wiki.shoryuken.com/E._Honda_(ST)
    ST/HDR/USF2: Honda/Rog/O.Hawk | USF4: Bison | SFV: Ryu :(
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,712
    Nice! Glad to see someone still putting in work into the wiki. I'll check it out.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,712
    edited July 2015
    I recently did some work in the Honda ST wiki for character matchups. Anyone care to comment? All my edits are under "x64" (grumble grumble wish I could change username grumble). Keep in mind most of the matchup stuff was blank when I started.

    http://wiki.shoryuken.com/E._Honda_(ST)

    Overall, pretty good writeup! But in the vs. Blanka section, shouldn't it be that Blanka uses neutral jump LK a lot? I see them using that much more than neutral jab.

    I really outta sit down one of these days and pen out the details of Sim v. Honda. I've pretty much got that matchup nailed perfect down to each situational counter.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,171
    eltrouble wrote: »
    Overall, pretty good writeup! But in the vs. Blanka section, shouldn't it be that Blanka uses neutral jump LK a lot? I see them using that much more than neutral jab.

    I really outta sit down one of these days and pen out the details of Sim v. Honda. I've pretty much got that matchup nailed perfect down to each situational counter.

    Typo. Fixed lol. I personally think I have the Honda v Sim down pretty well myself. We should meet up on fightcade sometime. So rare to fight a good sim.

    ST/HDR/USF2: Honda/Rog/O.Hawk | USF4: Bison | SFV: Ryu :(
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,712
    Typo. Fixed lol. I personally think I have the Honda v Sim down pretty well myself. We should meet up on fightcade sometime. So rare to fight a good sim.

    I never play online. I already have issues with timing and consistency, so I try to play offline as much as I can. Pretty lucky to have access to offline setups and a decent community, so I try to take advantage of it as best I can.

    I can't do a damn thing online. It's pretty embarrassing. I have no idea how guys like Yito and the Japanese players do it. My reactions and timing drop to absolute shit.

    My style is heavily reactionary and defensive, especially against Hondas, I'd very likely die quickly to spammed buttslams, headbutts, and hands.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,171
    eltrouble wrote: »
    Typo. Fixed lol. I personally think I have the Honda v Sim down pretty well myself. We should meet up on fightcade sometime. So rare to fight a good sim.

    I never play online. I already have issues with timing and consistency, so I try to play offline as much as I can. Pretty lucky to have access to offline setups and a decent community, so I try to take advantage of it as best I can.

    I can't do a damn thing online. It's pretty embarrassing. I have no idea how guys like Yito and the Japanese players do it. My reactions and timing drop to absolute shit.

    My style is heavily reactionary and defensive, especially against Hondas, I'd very likely die quickly to spammed buttslams, headbutts, and hands.

    I understand. If you do find yourself on Fightcade sometime though, I'm in Oregon, so our ping should be close to optimal (I think you're SoCal if I remember right).

    ST/HDR/USF2: Honda/Rog/O.Hawk | USF4: Bison | SFV: Ryu :(
    XBL: mr x64 | PSN: deadpool_zero | SFV: epistaxis64
    Fightcade/USF2: x64
  • EhondaEhonda Nothingness of Xband Joined: Posts: 399
    the oichio reversal actually happened in the arcade not on ggpo or fightcade... it was a bizarre thing and like I said, I never saw it or was able to duplicate it again..
    aka Nothingness from xband
    t+ T+ -r+ m+ s+ v+ M+ o+
    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n6J6aUfa2_8 (me playing ST and losing
    SUMO
  • hlidskjafthlidskjaft Joined: Posts: 32
    how do you effectively HP HHS with honda? I think honda is a chracter with such a great potential, but mastering his famous (HP) HHS is such a difficult task. i usually use my index and middle finger to double tap the HP button rapidly. This usually ends up in my fore arm being tire and sore after executing HHS about 3-4 times. Is there a way I can cast HHS without killing my wrist. Also tips on MK. Most honda players j.j.x HP HHS. how do they do that? it seems impossible
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,712
    hlidskjaft wrote: »
    how do you effectively HP HHS with honda? I think honda is a chracter with such a great potential, but mastering his famous (HP) HHS is such a difficult task. i usually use my index and middle finger to double tap the HP button rapidly. This usually ends up in my fore arm being tire and sore after executing HHS about 3-4 times. Is there a way I can cast HHS without killing my wrist. Also tips on MK. Most honda players j.j.x HP HHS. how do they do that? it seems impossible

    There are two main ways to do this in practical situations:

    1) The main way. You buffer HP hands with another input. For example, you whiff a LP before mashing furiously on HP. You need 5 inputs to do HP hands, so you sorta press LP a split second before you start wailing on hands. This same idea applies to other buttons as well. You can whiff his sweep into hands, do a floaty neutral jump fierce into hands, you can do it as you're doing a jump attack, etc...

    2) Advanced strings. You can actually connect HP hands consecutively one after another, but requires extremely good timing. In essence, you're basically buffering hands off of the input of the previous hands. Requires VERY good timing and consistent execution on your part, but there's nothing scarier than a Honda who can prove he has good hands mastery and can pressure at mid range.

    Honda has fantastic turtling ability and has great comeback potential with his high damage normals, fast stun combos, and powerful throws and ochio throw setups.

    As far as tricks? There are none. I've watched a variety of high-level Honda players' hands and they either mash one button furiously, trill the input (moving the hands while double tapping the same button). Some players can even use all 4 fingers to piano the same button, which requires a lot of dexterity and practice.

    It's a great way to develop hand and finger strength, but it is very tiring, especially in matchups where you'll do it frequently.

    I don't know what tips you want for his MK, other than it serves as an oddball and situational anti-air while standing, and while crouching is great at counterpoking certain low pokes with poor priority.
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