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  • voodazzvoodazz WORST. RACIST. EVER. Joined: Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
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  • itzpookiieitzpookiie Sherry Jenix's Soulmate Joined: Posts: 4,423
    edited October 2016
    Not suspicious at all driving a big ass armored vehicle in harlem
  • maxxmaxx DIO THE DESTROYER Joined: Posts: 36,709 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    itzpookiie wrote: »
    Not suspicious at all driving a big ass armored vehicle in harlem

    imagine post 9/11 ny. i thought it was odd at first...but then thinking about all weird superhero/villain shit...it wouldnt surprise me.
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  • PterodactylPterodactyl drenched in sauce Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited October 2016
    You know, after gestating on this for a bit, I realized something.


    I don't really like this interpretation of Luke Cage.

    This nigga is too much of a fucking boy scout compared to the original.

    Even his backstory got neutered to make him more of a perfect flawless messiah. Dude was supposed to be thugging it out in Harlem in his youth. Yeah he does get falsely framed and convicted, but he still had dirty hands regardless. His heroics had a redemptive subtext to them, he turned over a new leaf and truly became the savior of his home. He was also street and sounded like it. This Luke is disciplined ex-mility and ex-cop who was the son of a overbearing preacher, meaning he's leaking moral purity. Worst he did was get roped into take a car for a joy ride with his best friend.

    Michael Coulter sounded awkward as hell every time he even tried to sound a tiny bit street, dude couldn't even muster up some thing as small as a "y'all" when it came to slang. That entire interaction with Method Man was cringey, as was his breakdown with that kid that put a gun to his head early on, i've never heard a black person(in all of my years of being a black person around black people of all types) in my life say "nigga" so unnaturally. Dude was like the whitest black guy ever, felt like the man was never around other black people before in his entire life.

    And it isn't even a matter of "proper speaking", because Pop and Mariah are examples of speaking properly while still sounding like an actual black person(outside of Mariah's breakdowns and sass). We don't all have to sound like that, but it's fucking Luke Cage dude, he needs to sound right.

    Even more jarring since the kid version of him in the flashbacks didn't sound half as corny and out of place.

    Actually speaking of Pop, he's pretty much the way Luke is supposed to be, a dude who was doing wrong, got sent away, and came back to turn over a new leaf and help his community with whatever means he could. Not some stranger who gets roped into the problems of a city he barely knows. Dude is all elegant and well learned, holier than thou, and out of place.

    It removes any of the complexity they could have had from his original origin and style, what we got is just a black Captain America personality and story-wise, only Cap somehow manages to have a bit more complexity even.

    Nothing about this dude felt relatable in the slightest.

    He was basically a small scale Superman, complete with his own jealous and obsessive arch-nemesis with a supply of "kryptonite".

    This is gonna neuter the dynamic between him in Iron Fist too, won't have the fun of a rich white guy who grew up around Chinese(kind of) kicking it with a street smart black dude in New York.

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    I also hate how passive the dude was with all of the fights. I mean the whole nonchalant knockouts and slow walking into gunfire thing is good enough the first few times, but after a while it gets tired and boring. Cage doesn't usually have to try in most of his fights, but he does anyway, so I don't see why they refused to make him put in a little work. The only running he did in this season was away. Even in the Crispus Attucks raid dude was nonchalant.

    Every fight scene outside of the prison felt like I was watching a bunch of idiots run into a fist over and over again.

    /rant
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  • PterodactylPterodactyl drenched in sauce Joined: Posts: 7,227
    maxx wrote: »
    ....a dude with super strength and untouchable skin..and you mad hes mad chill about fighting?

    I'm mad because Luke in the comics isn't always chill about fighting and its boring as hell to watch.
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  • maxxmaxx DIO THE DESTROYER Joined: Posts: 36,709 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    maxx wrote: »
    ....a dude with super strength and untouchable skin..and you mad hes mad chill about fighting?

    I'm mad because Luke in the comics isn't always chill about fighting and its boring as hell to watch.

    its an interpretation that takes place in the real world. Hes not a killer so he doesnt need to go ham. this nigga pimp smacks people to sleep...why would he be more hyped about it when you know you can barely be touched. I will agree on the rock em sock em robots aspect but honestly...thats how most real fights are. especially from dudes who grew up in the hood. I used to laugh at 80s movies that did that shit thinkin how unrealistic it is....but then i watched fight vids from the hood. its sad just how bad real fights are.
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    Diamondback was Deebo. I was just waiting for John Witherspoon to make a cameo somewhere.
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  • PterodactylPterodactyl drenched in sauce Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited October 2016
    maxx wrote: »
    maxx wrote: »
    ....a dude with super strength and untouchable skin..and you mad hes mad chill about fighting?

    I'm mad because Luke in the comics isn't always chill about fighting and its boring as hell to watch.

    its an interpretation that takes place in the real world. Hes not a killer so he doesnt need to go ham. this nigga pimp smacks people to sleep...why would he be more hyped about it when you know you can barely be touched. I will agree on the rock em sock em robots aspect but honestly...thats how most real fights are. especially from dudes who grew up in the hood. I used to laugh at 80s movies that did that shit thinkin how unrealistic it is....but then i watched fight vids from the hood. its sad just how bad real fights are.

    I think you're overthinking what I mean. I mean instead of walking slowing and waiting to get next someone and throwing them in the air like he did, he could have, say, ran at them and threw them into the air, jumped to the next guy, smacked him upside the head to KO, etc.

    Didn't need to be him fucking walking into every fight.
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    lol i love sanfords art. it honestly doesnt even need color
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  • PterodactylPterodactyl drenched in sauce Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited October 2016
    RockBogart wrote: »
    maxx wrote: »
    maxx wrote: »
    ....a dude with super strength and untouchable skin..and you mad hes mad chill about fighting?

    I'm mad because Luke in the comics isn't always chill about fighting and its boring as hell to watch.

    its an interpretation that takes place in the real world. Hes not a killer so he doesnt need to go ham. this nigga pimp smacks people to sleep...why would he be more hyped about it when you know you can barely be touched. I will agree on the rock em sock em robots aspect but honestly...thats how most real fights are. especially from dudes who grew up in the hood. I used to laugh at 80s movies that did that shit thinkin how unrealistic it is....but then i watched fight vids from the hood. its sad just how bad real fights are.

    I think you're overthinking what I mean. I mean instead of walking slowing and waiting to get next someone and throwing them in the air like he did, he could have, say, ran at them and threw them into the air, jumped to the next guy, smacked him upside the he'd to KO, etc.

    Didn't need to be him fucking walking into every fight.

    So you want a 400lb+ pound man to jump around like Daredevil. Word?

    You mean a 400lb+ man with the leg strength to jump superhumanly high? And no not like daredevil. Like someone who is on the ground floor getting shot at by people on the overhang of a club(Harlem's paradise). Instead of say, walking up the stairs slowly.

    Do I think he should be rushing every fight? No.

    Do I think he should be doing more than strolling every fight? Yes.
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  • PterodactylPterodactyl drenched in sauce Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited October 2016
    RockBogart wrote: »
    Luke has mellowed the fuck out in the last 10 years. Especially after Danni was born :rofl:

    Hell at this point, he had to be dragged into doing Heroes for Hire.

    @Pterodactyl mad Luke grew the fuck up

    So you're going to act like the Luke in this show isn't supposed to be early Luke?

    You're just gonna start pretending now?

    Now, I'm not saying they need to make shit 1-to-1, but they didn't even try.
    maxx wrote: »
    luke avoid fights and doesnt swear. lol if this series is too non chalant then the new current heros for hire is a babysitter.

    I didn't say anything about avoiding fights. It's about how he handles the fights he's in.
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  • PterodactylPterodactyl drenched in sauce Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited October 2016
    RockBogart wrote: »
    It's not the first time marvel has used the most recent or popular version of a character. Tom Holland Spiderman is ripped right from Spectacular

    But he's still not even like modern Luke.

    His origin is still too pure, his way of talking is still lacking in any form of "streetness", and he's not even from Harlem. He doesn't even put any effort into any of his fights. It's not about if he has to or not. His attitude isn't even really the same.


    They took too much away from him. I can't think of any other MCU character that has been gutted this hard.
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 26,808
    RockBogart wrote: »
    It's not the first time marvel has used the most recent or popular version of a character. Tom Holland Spiderman is ripped right from Spectacular

    But he's still not even like modern Luke.

    His origin is still too pure, his way of talking is still lacking in any form of "streetness", and he's not even from Harlem. He doesn't even put any effort into any of his fights. It's not about if he has to or not. His attitude isn't even really the same.


    They took too much away from him. I can't think of any other MCU character that has been gutted this hard.

    Netflix version of Jessica Jones only has super strength. She has flight and low level durability in the books. Things that the show took from her.
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  • HD-ManHD-Man Big Apple 3 A.M Joined: Posts: 10,682
    I'll admit, I kinda like the trash talking, money chasing Luke Cage, but I don't have a problem with the Netflix depiction either.

    I would like to see him shake down a supervillain for a petty $100 tho. Lol

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    Ya'll dudes is dumb as hell. Stop letting the 90's comic scene make you look stupid.
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,392
    I can't think of any other MCU character that has been gutted this hard.

    Hawkeye?

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  • a15kkoa15kko Joined: Posts: 5,868
    Sooooo
    Were those special bullets vibranium?
  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,970
    RockBogart wrote: »
    Motherfucker has super jumped like 5 times in 40+ years. You want the director to do shit marvel doesn't even do :rofl

    explain this, are you saying marvel characters dont super jump?
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
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    Luke doesn't.
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  • voodazzvoodazz WORST. RACIST. EVER. Joined: Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I was going to ask if Luke super jumps. Guess not... kinda dumb.

    People complaining Luke wasn' black enough and not punching people's faces into tomato paste LMAO!

    I just want to see misty knight' bionic arm dammit!


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    RockBogart wrote: »
    It's not the first time marvel has used the most recent or popular version of a character. Tom Holland Spiderman is ripped right from Spectacular

    But he's still not even like modern Luke.

    His origin is still too pure, his way of talking is still lacking in any form of "streetness", and he's not even from Harlem. He doesn't even put any effort into any of his fights. It's not about if he has to or not. His attitude isn't even really the same.


    They took too much away from him. I can't think of any other MCU character that has been gutted this hard.

    Netflix version of Jessica Jones only has super strength. She has flight and low level durability in the books. Things that the show took from her.

    Didn't she fly/super-jump on one occasion in the Netflix series?
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    The more I think about it, I can't help but believe Theo Rossi would've been a better Ghost Rider.
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    RockBogart wrote: »
    It's not the first time marvel has used the most recent or popular version of a character. Tom Holland Spiderman is ripped right from Spectacular

    But he's still not even like modern Luke.

    His origin is still too pure, his way of talking is still lacking in any form of "streetness", and he's not even from Harlem. He doesn't even put any effort into any of his fights. It's not about if he has to or not. His attitude isn't even really the same.


    They took too much away from him. I can't think of any other MCU character that has been gutted this hard.

    Netflix version of Jessica Jones only has super strength. She has flight and low level durability in the books. Things that the show took from her.

    Didn't she fly/super-jump on one occasion in the Netflix series?

    If I remember correctly from the comics, she doesn't fly immediately. Her not flying is part of her PTSD.
  • crucadescrucades Its a Kinda Bullshit Joined: Posts: 11,590
    Need to give this one a 6/10, didn't have the same kinda impact as DD and for me got really boring in the later episodes.

    All the writing for the police stuff was wack AF. Still better than JJ tho.
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    Jack_Frost wrote: »
    RockBogart wrote: »
    Motherfucker has super jumped like 5 times in 40+ years. You want the director to do shit marvel doesn't even do :rofl

    explain this, are you saying marvel characters dont super jump?

    he uses double jump duh
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,122 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    RockBogart wrote: »
    I still feel really bad about Cottonmouth. His is probably one of the most clear cases of being forced into a way of life. With most characters you can kind of make the case they overreacted or are acting like a brat. His choices were made for him. Which was likely to the point of the character. Because it happens to a lot of black men.

    It's been done before using non-black characters.

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    Saitsu wrote: »
    a15kko wrote: »
    Sooooo
    Were those special bullets vibranium?
    No, they outright said on multiple occasions that the metals came from the Chitauri.

    ahhh okay
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    Just finished watching episode 6. The music in this show is amazing. I'm gonna need a playlist, like now.
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    King9999 wrote: »
    Just finished watching episode 6. The music in this show is amazing. I'm gonna need a playlist, like now.

    go back a page or two we got that for ya.
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  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,970
    Man, a black panther show would never be this popular.
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,122 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    That's because Black Panther is boring and petty as fuck. All he does is talks to ghosts, whines in monologue about how his people blah blah blah, keeps science breakthroughs in Wakanda no matter the amount of lives it would save, and goes to fight dumb shit instead of being a ruler of his country. Luke Cage is simpler but he's also an American black guy, which automatically makes him more interesting to an American audience. You may not know who he is but you sure as hell can understand a lot of what he's going through and what's going on around him.
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    Iron Fist gonna be a chinese bitch cause of dat Dr Strange karma.
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