Shattered - New Fighting Game in Development

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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 643
    I wrote up an update on our blog on our plans concerning netplay.

    http://blog.team18k.com/gameplay/netplay/
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    Wow this looks great! I'll definitely follow this closely.
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited February 2014
    We're really excited since that build will (if everything goes as it does now) include a lot of game mechanics like shatter and super. So you will pretty much be able to play 'real' game rounds.
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited February 2014
    A new post for our blog! This time a bit of in-depth about character design! http://blog.team18k.com/design/220/

    We have previously discussed a large portion of the system mechanics, both in our blog posts and on our System page. But, while we set out to make a simple but engaging game system, it is only part of what makes it the game. The other half is arguably the one that will be much harder to get working properly: getting every moveset of every character balanced, while staying different enough to deliver good character diversity.

    While we do not intend to make every character so different that it is as if they come from different games, we want to have wildly varied movesets.This however forced us to make some strict agreements so that it would prevent designs from going overboard.

    One of the most important limitations we have set early on was that no character would have character-specific set of resources.

    The basic resources in the game are:

    - Super bar
    - Health bar
    - Shatter bar
    - Time

    The amount of impact these will have, differs per character and resource type. Super bar, for instance, will always play a massive role for every character, while fighters that rely on health for special mechanics will be comparatively rare.

    One example where we changed the impact of the super bar would be for Roxanne, whose supers are more akin to EX moves than to actual supers. We initially planned to split her super bar up into smaller segments, but we eventually decided against that, as that would qualify as a character-specific subsystem, which is something we specifically try to avoid. Instead, her super bar will fill much faster than that of other characters, which is used to power stronger versions of her special moves, but these will obviously lack the punch of actual supers.

    This gave us some issues with her shatter super, which obviously uses the same bar, possibly giving her way too many opportunities to use that super on a shattered opponent. While we could lower the damage of this super, to be more like her “EX moves”, we felt like this would reduce the excitement of landing a shatter super. Instead, we want to solve this by lowering her overall shatter damage and thus decreasing the chance of shattering her opponent.

    Another example is one of our future characters, which will feature a cancel that the player can use at any moment to reset their frames to neutral, effectively resetting the character and giving the possibility to retaliate out of blockstun or to extend combos. This ability uses the super bar as its resource, just like her super moves do. Of course, this ability needs to be balanced in such a way, that her super moves do not become useless, while keeping her from becoming too strong.

    The mechanics that use shatter/time/health as resource are more difficult to implement, and are definitely further down the road. The chances that we use time as a resource to power a character’s abilities are very slim. Note that utilizing a resource doesn’t mean to us that it will necessarily be consumed, it could also mean that having X amount of health/time left has a certain effect on a character.

    Over the next few weeks we will do a more in-depth introduction to our 3 other alpha characters Usha, Cole and Roxanne.
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 643
    We set up a Facebook page for Shattered. So if you're interested in following the development a bit more closely, like us on facebook!: https://www.facebook.com/ShatteredFighter
  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited March 2014
    Tonight we'll be playtesting and maybe running a mini tournament at LLL.MBR's bootcamp. It is still an early pre-alpha build with some bugs still around and the super and shatter system is not yet implemented. So far people have been very excited to play it, and we're getting lots of useful feedback. We're seeing some nice footsie and mindgames developing as the guys are exploring the game.

    We will try to find out if there is some capability for streaming, otherwise we will just end up making some videos and post it later!
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited March 2014
    Blog post about our adventure last weekend:

    http://blog.team18k.com/gameplay/playtest-at-mbrs-bootcamp/
    Last weekend we had a good opportunity to playtest our game at LLL.MBR’s bootcamp. More than a dozen people tried Shattered over 2 days and gave their input. While the game is still in a fairly bare bones state, the people trying the game weren’t hampered at all in exploring the game, developing inventive footsie games and quickly discovering new tech. People seemed to enjoy the game a lot and were eager to give suggestions and their opinions.

    Seeing people enjoy our game is incredibly satisfying and one of the reasons why we are making this game, and why we will continue to push forward.

    We were aware of the presence of some bugs in this build, and another few others were discovered, but overall the game is really starting to come together and become a truly playable experience.

    We’ve of course made some recordings of the matches as well! In these videos you will see one of the most prominent bugs that we were aware of even before this testing session: Multiple fireballs can be on the screen at once. The players were quick to find out that this meant that throwing fireballs is very strong, as you will see in the videos below.

    The first match is between Pr3y on the left and LLL.MBR on the right.



    We also ran a small tournament with the guys present at the bootcamp. We’ve made some recordings of the finals between LLL.MBR (left) and EX Snorlax (right), some of the rounds of these finals can be seen in this video.



    Shoutouts to Miku for managing to unintentionally crash our engine every 20 seconds.
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited March 2014
    New blog post:
    As promised we will commence with introducing our future characters. The first character that we will start working on after Julia, is the monk Ushah.

    Ushah is a veteran of many battles, his unwavering resolve to combat supernatural creatures has made him an experienced and formidable warrior, but it has had a high cost on his body. Scarred, battered and having lost one of his arms in one of his many battles, he now wields an ancient artifact fused with his prosthetic arm. The artifact resembles the Lion, a long extinct animal in the world of Shattered, but revered as a beast of mythical proportions as a symbol of courage and perseverance.

    Ushah is less mobile than other characters, and this also reflects in his moves. Ushah does not have moves that can be used to improve his movement. Rather than that, he has moves that allows him to strongly defend the position he is in, while slowly inching closer to his opponent.

    Most of his heavy normals have armor (meaning that parts of the body during the move can absorb an attack before hitting the opponent), he can also generate a steam attack from his mechanical arm that has a pretty big area of effect and is able to negate enemy fireballs.

    His normal attacks are strong, long-ranged attacks, which are slower than those of other characters. For example, Ushah’s hard punch is a high straight punch with his mechanical arm, whose armor can block jump-in attacks, and blast straight through. As such, the move is quite a potent anti-air move.

    Once Ushah is able to get close, the opponent is forced to choose to stay standing and risk getting grabbed or jump away from Ushah’s command grab and risk getting hit by one of Ushah’s excellent normals that can catch jump-aways.

    Below you find a concept art of Ushah’s mechanical Lion arm, and an early concept of Ushah.

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    http://blog.team18k.com/characters/ushah/
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 643
    All the people who've tested our game so far, have always been very nice to overlook problems with the game, which has of course still very much in development. One of the obvious problems in the last testing session a couple of weeks ago was a lack of corner knockbacks, which led to corner infinites.

    But now testers need not worry about avoiding the problem anymore, as corner knockback has been implemented! First half of the video below shows the old corner infinites, and the second half shows what it looks like now.



    We're now working hard on getting all the features of our game system implemented for the testing session in April at RSD x The Party.
  • JohnGrimmJohnGrimm A.K.A. JohnXuandou Joined: Posts: 4,333
    The push back looks weird, like you're still moving after your move already happened. I think it would look cleaner if the pushback only lasted during the active frames or something similar.
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 643
    JohnGrimm wrote: »
    The push back looks weird, like you're still moving after your move already happened. I think it would look cleaner if the pushback only lasted during the active frames or something similar.

    The pushback lasts as long as the hitstun of your opponent lasts. So if a move is positive on block, you continue moving backwards after recovery. But that is basically the way it is done in every fighting game (definitely in all KOFs and Street Fighters). I agree that it's still 'slidy'-looking though. The way the knockback decelerates is something that definitely still needs tweaking, it probably doesn't decelerate quickly enough, which makes it so that after recovery you sometimes actually still slide quite a lot, instead of just 1px per frame.
  • ZinacZinac Ocha shinai? Joined: Posts: 810
    edited March 2014
    Shattered doesn't seem to be a combo heavy game, so push back probably isn't that important of a balancing issue. Just make it feel nice. The faster your characters slide, the less likely you can get more hits in a combo, even if the final distance of the push back is the same. It's a critical balancing point for Fearless Night, because it can make or break corner pressure.
  • JohnGrimmJohnGrimm A.K.A. JohnXuandou Joined: Posts: 4,333
    Zinac wrote: »
    Shattered doesn't seem to be a combo heavy game, so push back probably isn't that important of a balancing issue.

    KoF98 isn't a combo heavy game either and the push back is probably one of the most important design choices SNK made with the game. You don't need a focus on combos for push back to matter.
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  • nscnsc Stay free, it's the way to be Joined: Posts: 1,795
    I'm digging how that pushback looks!
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    New blog post:
    Cole is a former Inquisition soldier, he used to be part of one of the elite mutant hunting brigades, equipped with powerful hook weapons that were used for both combat and terrain scaling. He is now on the run, branded as a defector by the Inquisition as they consider him a threat to their cause.

    While Cole will be a ‘basic’ character in the sense that he has a lot of basic and easy to understand tools, his moveset has its own little twist. Cole does not have special moves in the traditional sense. He has a set of normal moves, just like every other character, but besides that he has a second set of ‘normals’ that can be accessed by holding back or down/back for a short period of time. As soon as he is charged, all his normal attacks will change into these ‘charged normal’ attacks.

    Cole’s regular normals are simply a variety of punches and kicks, but his charged attacks uses the hook on chain that is attached to his glove. For example his crouching hard punch is a uppercut move that works well as an anti-air. The charged crouching hard punch will grab people out of the air with the chain and slam them onto the ground. Other moves will allow him to use the hook for sweeping, poking, launching himself towards the opponent, pulling the opponent towards him or latching himself to the ground from the air.

    Next time we will discuss the last of our four alpha characters Roxanne,

    http://blog.team18k.com/characters/cole/
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  • Mad MistressMad Mistress Seimei wannabe Joined: Posts: 690
    That is a really interesting concept. Can't wait to see Cole in action.
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited April 2014
    And another!

    ALSO: We will be showing a pre-alpha version this weekend at RSD x The Party @ Eindhoven, the Netherlands. Get hype.
    Roxanne Vasquez is a famous Inquisitor, one that descended out of a long line of commanders, investigators and warriors. Where most Inquisitors specialize in hunting mutants, vixens or cultists, Roxanne has secretly been fighting the rotten parts within the Inquisition and the entirety of the armed forces. Armed with musket, sword and two decades of field experience, Roxanne is a force to be reckoned with.

    We have always made an effort to make a proper mixture of characters that are innovative, and introducing the classic archetypes in our game system. After Cole, a pretty experimental character, we have now arrived at the fourth and last alpha character: Roxanne Vasquez.

    Roxanne is a charge character in the classic sense, as such she has solid pokes and quick specials. Unlike other characters that have one or two supers (excluding the shatter super), Roxanne has powered-up versions of every special attack in her repertoire. While these powered-up moves lack the devastating damage of most supers in our game, they are potent reversals that should keep the opponent on their toes all the time.

    In lieu with this design, Roxanne builds bar way faster than the average characters. This allows her to incorporate these supers into her combos more often than other characters.

    We had some worries about how this will pan out with her shatter super, since she would build super at such a rate that hitting a shatter would almost always end up in a shatter super. We have chosen to not diminish the damage on her shatter super but rather to make hitting a shatter a bit more difficult for her than it would be for other characters.

    Roxanne’s game plan is about about zoning, strong reversals, and decent pressure strings. Roxanne is a solid wall with strong footsies, but lacking the superb offensive capabilities of grappler and mix-up characters.

    Roxanne_cropped2.png
    Characters in development stage and subject to change.


    http://blog.team18k.com/characters/roxanne/
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  • Leebee LinkLeebee Link (they/them) Joined: Posts: 2,318
    very excited to see more from you guys. each new thing you reveal about systems, characters, and design sounds great!
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    Phoenix king of coding, codes quickstand in under 30 minutes, someone please call Guinness Book of Records.
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited May 2014
    Time for some updates!

    http://blog.team18k.com/characters/finishing-up-julia/
    In the last weeks, we have made great progress in terms of finishing up Julia, and we’re currently in the homestretch to having her done (for now). This mean we are spending a lot of time on polishing and tweaking the framedata, hitboxes and animations. Once we are done with these final tweaks, we will finally start working on our second character, Ushah, and we couldn’t be more excited!

    On the programming side, all the goals for the engine we had for this ‘Julia-phase’ are done, and our programmer is already gearing up for the next phase, where we will finally get rid of our rather dated and heavy engine.

    The scripting for Julia is still being tweaked every day. Many pixels and lines of code are examined to make sure that all the moves have the proper spacing, as to not create extremely strong combos or braindead hitconfirms and to make sure that the jumps and hops jumps are perfectly spaced to set up that one awesome ambiguous cross-up.

    On the artwork side, our animator has delivered a piece of Julia which portrays her in the style we like to see her in, a mixture between western comic style and a Disney-esque vibe.

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    Sadly, as much as this is a gorgeous drawing, having him as our main artwork guy as well as animator/spriter will spread him too thin, so we are in dire need of some new blood. Are you a talented artist in need of some portfolio work or just experience, drop an email at djono [at] team18k [dot] com. Do note, at the moment we are without funds, we hope that this is a temporary predicament, but at the moment we can’t offer any financial compensation.

    Attentive followers may have noticed that Julia’s Break* uses the animation of Julia’s jumping HK as a grounded attack, we want to eventually create a completely new animation for this move. We’ve been brainstorming some different concepts, and Bob Sagat has drawn up some quick sketches for this move.

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    Julia now finally has fully drawn wakeup animation and flip animation. We have also tweaked here jump arcs and added a quickstand mechanic, all are shown in this video below.



    In the coming weeks we will showcase some hitboxes and insights on why moves have certain properties, all explained by our framedata master Phoenix.

    - Coal

    *As we ourselves by all those ‘shatters’ in the Shatter System we have chosen to rename the ‘Shatter Attack’ to Break.

    An addendum by Phoenix:
    Although we are almost finished with Julia, there are still some animations which are not done and will note be done for a while. Her grab, and super animations are currently still placeholder art. Before we move over to final art, we first want to implement several engine systems (such as non-hacked grab animations). We are moving those features of the game engine to the next stage, when we have a new engine to work with.
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  • truendymiontruendymion Beer Me! Joined: Posts: 2,265
    This game has crumples? How about groundbounces and/or wallbounces?!
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    Just followed ya on fb, shits lookin dope.

    Will show support all the way.
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited May 2014
    This game has crumples? How about groundbounces and/or wallbounces?!

    Not as a common mechanic, Julia for instance has none. But we want to be pretty flexible with character designs so there is a decent chance that one or more characters will receive bounce mechanics on some moves.

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    Thanks man, shit like that means the world to us.
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    edited June 2014
    Phoenix published a new blogpost:

    http://blog.team18k.com/characters/julias-standing-normals/
    As promised in our previous blogpost, the coming weeks we’ll be discussing some details of Julia’s hitboxes and properties, to give some insight into our design philosophy and something to study for those who are into that sort of thing.

    While the hitboxes are fairly straightforward, here are a few things you need to know to make sense of them.

    Red: Attack box, the part that actually hits the opponent.
    Blue: Hurt box, the part that can be hit by the opponent
    Cyan: Collision box, this is a character’s ‘physical’ body, when an opponent walks up to you, this is what you bump up against.
    White cross: The pivot, this is the point that decides what the ‘front’ and the ‘back’ of Julia is.

    Let’s first talk about some general design philosophies. In the old days, many fighting games would have a fixed ‘limit’ of certain boxes that could be on the screen, and therefore you would have quite consistent amount of attack or hurt boxes. Some games would allow two hurt boxes and one attack box per character per frame, while other games allow, for example, three hurt boxes and two attack boxes.

    In this modern age, there is of course no true physical limit to the amount of hurt boxes and attack boxes you could use. Nevertheless, we feel that it is still useful to have such limits as a rule of thumb, as we feel it makes properties of moves a bit easier to feel out intuitively. As can be seen below, our rule of thumb is to have two hurt boxes and one attack box on the screen. We can easily break this rule, and when we feel that it will be necessary, we certainly will. but for Julia, it has not yet been necessary.

    Now let’s get to the actual hitboxes, this week we’ll be discussing Julia’s standing normals.

    Standing Light Punch
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    Julia’s standing light punch is a fairly straight forward punch. It has good advantage on hit and on block, but it will whiff over crouching characters, making it not particularly strong as a pressure tool. However,it is a good low-risk anti-air option against hops, that you can throw out pre-emptively to cover the space in front of her.

    Standing Light Kick
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    This standing light kick is one of my favourite moves in Julia’s moveset, not because it’s so strong but because it’s so specific. The normal is a light normal with quite a bit of startup and recovery. However, it is a formidable footsies tool. As you might notice her hurt box is very far behind her collision box. Whenever Julia does this move, her hurt box moves backward. With proper spacing, this can make long ranged low attacks whiff completely. The great range on the poke then allows her to hit the opponents move. This allows her to do this move any time she sniffs out a crouching hard kick of the opponent and hit them out of it.

    This move can be super cancelled. So if you are confident about your read, you can stick out this move and buffer the super.

    Standing Hard Punch
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    Julia’s standing hard punch is her most damaging normal, and it can be special cancelled. Therefore, it is very important for maximizing damage on a punish combo.

    But outside of punish situations this move has great uses too. The move has great range, which makes it useful in footsie battles. One needs to be careful however, as the move will whiff over crouching opponents.

    The standing hard punch covers much of the same space as the standing light punch, while having more range and is more likely to beat out an opponent’s attack. Combined with its high damage output, this move is a very scary anti-hop tool. However, this move is both slower to come out and longer to recovery than the standing light punch, making it a high-risk/high-reward answer to hops.

    Standing Hard Kick
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    This standing roundhouse is the only standing normal whose attack box stick out above the hurt box. As a result it is able to hit people who come in on Julia with a normal jump. The range is good, but the start-up is fairly long. Making this a good anti-jump normal to hit people that are not necessarily jumping in to hit a combo, but rather to poke or cover some distance.



    I hope this has given some insight into the design and application of Julia’s normals. Next time we’ll discuss her crouching normals.

    -Phoenix
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 643
    edited June 2014
    New blog post, in which we discuss Julia's crouching normals! Enjoy

    http://blog.team18k.com/characters/julias-crouching-normals/


    This post we’ll talk about Julia’s crouching normals. It should be noted that the hitboxes that we present are technically still in development. And while they will not change a whole lot, small tweaks are still being made to this day. In fact, one of the boxes presented today was changed minutes before writing this post.

    Crouching Light Punch

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    Julia's crouching light punch is a fairly straightforward move. It’s a quick chainable light attack that doesn’t hit low. It does beat out other attacks as easily as the crouching light kick, but it can be cancelled into specials and supers. The crouching light punch is one of Julia’s main tools for setting up combos off light attacks.

    Crouching Light Kick

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    This crouching light kick doesn’t have any hurt box on the limb when it is active. This makes it a potent low hitting attack that can easily beat out other pokes, as the limb itself is invincible. However, there are still reasons to choose to press cr.LP over cr.LK, despite its superior hitbox.

    cr.LP hits slightly higher and there are fewer moves that could easily dodge attacks that high, and you might even hit your opponent in the start of a jump where cr.LK might whiff. Moreover cr.LK cannot be cancelled into specials or supers, so you will have to chain into cr.LP if you want to combo into a special move.

    Crouching Hard Punch

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    The move is used to beat out jump-ins with relative ease, as it only takes one button press to hit the opponent out of the air.

    Because Julia stays low to the ground and the attack box is fairly wide, the cr.HP is a fairly consistent move to use as an anti-air in a variety of situations. It can beat out both crossups and normal deep jump-ins quite effectively. One has to be careful with timing it though, because the recovery is long, so you do not want to whiff it.

    Because of its fast start up, it also functions as a reasonable move to use in block strings. The sequence cr.LP, cr.HP is a tight string that will beat out opponents mindlessly mashing buttons after blocking.

    Crouching Hard Kick

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    Julia’s crouching hard kick is a very potent and long range poke. Unlike other four button fighters, cr.HK in our game does not necessarily function as a sweep that knocks down. Julia’s cr.HK is one of those moves that isn’t. It’s an awesome, fast, low hitting cancellable and long ranged move, which plays an important role in the footsie game of Julia.

    One might notice that Julia’s hurt box for this move is considerably lower than the other crouching attacks. Because of this, Julia is actually able to use cr.HK to dodge fireballs. This is one of the wonderful ‘emergent’ results that we have gotten while working on this game. When me and Coal designed this move, we never intended for it to go under fireballs. But when I added the hitboxes that best fitted the animation that Bob Sagat drew, this was the natural result. We feel that such cases of the game ‘designing itself’ should be embraced, as it makes for natural and understandable hitboxes, as well as interesting intricacies which simply cannot be added by brute force.

    Next time we’ll look at the jump attacks.

    -Phoenix
  • truendymiontruendymion Beer Me! Joined: Posts: 2,265
    edited June 2014
    Is she missing a hurtbox on her crouching light kick...?
    EDIT: Nvm just read the description. I know you said there are reasons to use other buttons but based on the collision boxes looks like its going to be 3S Chun all over again lol.
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 643
    It's definitely not as dominant as 3s Chun's pokes.

    The thing is, the move has high priority, but after this active period, that box that is now an attack box, turns into a hurtbox of the same size. That's different from chun, where after the active period the body immediately retracts, while for Julia there is an actual limb there to hit (and in fact, there is also a limb to hit in the startup).

    And there are other factors of course, it doesn't cancel, doesn't have the range like a chun poke etc.

    That being said, these are all things that could be changed once playtesting shows that mashing crouching short like a maniac is a good idea. But from our testing so far, there seems to be little evidence for that.
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    This is pretty cool
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    This week Phoenix discussed the hitboxes of the jump normals!

    http://blog.team18k.com/characters/julias-jump-normals/
    Julia’s Jump Normals

    Jump normals are always a challenge to get right in fighting games. Because movement is so much more limited by a jump, a lot of factors like range, start-up and active frames become less important than the are on the ground game. This often leaves characters with a plethora of jump normals that are hardly ever used.

    We have decided that we want every single jump normal to have a specific function, so that every single button can plausibly be used in high level play. Julia is a good example of this design decision. Every single one of her jump normals has a specific function, and you will have to make specific decisions on what button to press with every jump you do.

    Jumping Light Punch
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    Julia’s jumping light punch hits fairly high up, and will whiff on most crouching opponents. Its main use is therefore air-to-airing opponents. While its hitboxes are not amazing, the long active period (12 frames) of the attacks, allows Julia to cover a large part of the jump arc with an attack box. This makes it a low damage, low range, but easy to use air-to-air normal.

    Jumping Light Kick
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    Together with the jumping hard punch, this move is one of Julia’s main jump-in attacks. The damage and blockstun that this move does are lower than that of the jump hard punch, but it makes up for this because of its cross-up potential. As you can see the attack box extends behinds Julia, this allows for her to jump over the opponent and still hit them.

    Jumping Hard Punch
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    This damaging, and very deep hitting jump attack is Julia’s main jump-in tool. It easily hits crouchers and does a lot of blockstun. The attack box is somewhat smaller than that of other moves, making this move specifically geared towards jump-in attacks, and not particularly useful as an air-to-air.

    Jump Hard Kick
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    The excellent upward angle on this move and the formidable damage, make this attack Julia’s scariest air-to-air normal. Different from the jumping light punch, this move has shorter active frames, forcing the player to be more specific about when to press it. But when it connects, it hurts.

    Because Julia pulls her legs up during this move, she is able to dodge some incoming fireballs. This is once again an example of an emergent property inspired by the animations Bob Sagat has drawn.

    That concludes our discussion of Julia’s basic normals. Next post we’ll discuss Julia’s single command normal, specials and super.

    -Phoenix
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  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    A bit late, but Phoenix wrote the conclusion to our Julia's hitbox series:

    http://blog.team18k.com/characters/julias-specials-and-supers/
    Julia’s Specials and Supers

    This post will conclude our presentation of Julia’s hitboxes. We will discuss her command normals, shatter attack, specials and super. Normals often have subtle hitboxes that have specific applications, specials moves generally have a lot bigger and dominant hitboxes.

    df+HK
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    This is Julia’s only command normal, it is a low hitting move that knocks down on hit and has slightly better range and a better hitbox than the cr.HK. To balance it out against the cr.HK, the move has a slower startup and a hefty recovery. The move can be cancelled into a fireball to make it safe on block. One should be careful not to whiff it, as this sets you up for great punishment.

    Shatter Attack (HP+HK)
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    The Shatter Attack is still very much a work in progress move. Right now it reuses the sprite of the j.HK, however with different hitboxes. Notice that during her attack she is lower body invincible and she is considered airborne. The invincibility allows her to dodge low attacks and hit it as a devastating counterattacks.

    Because the move is airborne, the move is also unthrowable. You can therefore decide to throw it out when you anticipate a throw.

    While this move beats two very common tactics (low attack and throw), it is very unsafe on block, and one needs to be very careful to throw it out.

    Projectile (qcf+P)
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    Julia’s projectile is quite high up vertically, which, makes it a little difficult to jump over. Because of this same fact some characters will have options to go under it (as Julia does herself with cr.HK). As you can see the hitbox of the projectile extends a little further down than you might expect from the sprite. This is to make it so that the fireball doesn’t whiff over crouchers normally.

    Both versions of the projectile have the same hitboxes. The hard punch fireball is quicker but the recovery of the move is slightly longer.

    Dragonpunch (dp+P)
    dpLP.png____dpHP.png____dp2.png
    dp+LP___________dp+HP

    Julia’s dragonpunch is an excellent anti-air and has incredible priority to beat other moves out. The recovery is huge, which sets you up for brutal punishment if you whiff it.

    The light version is invincible during the entire startup, but can be hit at the feet during its first active frames. As a result it will trade with an meaty attack if you reversal with it. This is not necessarily disadvantageous for Julia, as the dragonpunch juggles and it is possible to follow up with attacks after a trade. Unlike the hard version, the light version only hits once. It can be supercancelled into her super projectile.

    The hard version is completely invincible during the first hit, which means it will beat out meaties clean, but it has slightly longer startup. It can be supercancelled.

    The hitbox of the rising part of the dragonpunch is identical for both the light and the heavy versions. While this part of the move is not invincible, the priority is still very good, and covers a good amount of vertical space, making this section of the move also a potent anti-air.

    Flying kicks (qcb+K)
    tatsuHK.png____________tatsuLK1.png____________tatsuLK2.png
    qcb+HK (1st hit)___________________qcb+LK (1st hit), qcb+HK (2nd hit)___qcb+LK/HK (final hit)

    The two versions of the flying kicks in terms of hitboxes are very similar, but the framedata and hit effects differ considerably. These moves are the most damaging special moves in Julia’s arsenal and are very unsafe on block. It is mostly as a tool for dealing damage, but can also be used to quickly cross some screen distance.

    The light version can combo off light attacks, does two hits and does not knock down on hit. After it is hit both players recover at the same time, which allows Julia to press her advantage.

    The hard version does not combo off light attacks, does three hits and does knock down.

    While both these moves are important combo tools, it should be noted that they will whiff on most crouching characters, and therefore you will only be able to maximize the damage with these moves if you catch your opponent standing.

    Super Projectile (2xqcf+P)
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    Clearly this move has not been completely drawn yet and we are still using placeholder art. As a result many of the hitboxes are still subject to change. There are several properties which will certainly remain the same. The projectile will have two speeds it travels at, and the hitbox will be both vertically and horizontally bigger than the normal projectile.

    The move will hit five consecutive times, and will deal a massive amount of damage, the move does not knock down. If you want to combo into the super fireball and get a knockdown, you will have to supercancel the Light punch dragonpunch into the fireball.

    So that’s it! Those are the moves of Julia. We hope you’ve found these showcases interesting and that you have gotten some insight into our technical design decisions of the game.
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  • Mad MistressMad Mistress Seimei wannabe Joined: Posts: 690
    For some reason I really love that the super doesn't knock down unless cancelled from the light dragon punch.

    Nice reads.
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  • AYO?!AYO?! Strong Style Hips. Joined: Posts: 19,032
    Just make the Grappler (Always/only one!) fun to use outside of make or break grappling situations and I'm good. Example would be Condor from Breaker's Revenge, a powerful grappler that doesn't have to solely rely on his 360 to be a threat. Same can be said of Tager/Potemkin but the system engines there can be kind of wonky for them.

    Also having a Native American character who isn't a stereotype would be cool, all five of use Natives who play fighters would appreciate it for once. I miss you Rick Strowd...
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  • phoenixnlphoenixnl Joined: Posts: 643
    edited July 2014
    I wrote up an update on our blog on the progress on the engine development: http://blog.team18k.com/?p=325
    Lately we've been making great progress on the engine side of the game. While much of the system was already more or less functioning, We are now polishing up some parts of the engine to make it work exactly as intended.

    A fairly big update which -to the player- is very difficult to see, but removes a lot of headaches on the programming and scripting side, is a reworked velocity system. Control over gravity and acceleration is now less hacky, and allows us to experiment with some new things. Right now, the knockback of attacks is plotted out manually frame-by-frame. We are now experimenting to see if a formula-based knockback would give the desired effect.

    More obvious system updates are the changes to crossups and the way the shatter system works. Originally, when you hit your opponent with a crossup, the opponent would move away from you, making it very difficult to combo off a crossup. Normally in fighting games, although there are exceptions, the opponent moves towards you when you do a crossup, allowing at least as many, and sometimes more combos than when hitting a normal jump attack. In Shattered, the crossups now work as expected. The video below first showcases how the crossups used to work, and shows that comboing off it is difficult, after that it showcases the new crossup mechanics, and the same followup comboing this time around.



    We've also made changes to the shatter system. We originally envisioned for a shattered opponent to be able to be hit with one more move before he is knocked down. For a long time, however, a shattered opponent would only take one hit before being knocked down, which in the case of moves that do multiple hits would not give the desired effect.

    In the first part of the video below, you will see that the flying kicks and dragon punch, which normally hit three and two times respectively, only hit once on a shattered opponent. In the second part you can see that the opponent is hit by all hits of these moves before being knocked down.


  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    Shattered will be a official side tourney @ Red Fight District, 11 october in Amsterdam, the tournament is part of the Capcom tour hence its a major.

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1447387478861471/
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  • truendymiontruendymion Beer Me! Joined: Posts: 2,265
    You guys are making good progress. Keep up the good work!
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    Damn I forgot about this game after I posted in here 4 months ago. The game is looking sick, can't wait to see more progress in the future.
  • COALCOAL Joined: Posts: 93
    New post on our blog!
    http://blog.team18k.com/showcase/a-new-logo-rfd-and-twitter/
    We’ve been working on a logo for our game for quite some time now, and after many iterations we have finally come to a result we absolutely love, so without further ado we’d like to show it to you:

    SFstyle1080p_bicubic.png

    11 & 12 October the Dutch international tournament Red Fight District, will hold its third edition. It is one of the major tournaments in Europe, and it will feature multiple big fighting games. But also two indie games will be featured at RFD: Lethal League and Shattered!

    On Saturday 11 October everyone will have a chance to try out the latest version, and Sunday we will run a small tournament! You can sign up at RedFightDistrict.com. There are no additional costs for signing for the Shattered side-tournament, so what are you waiting for!

    We’ve been active on our Facebook page for some time now, but now we’ve also started using Twitter to keep you guys up to date on the development of the game. You can follow us @Team18K.

    Have a nice week!
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