Undamned's USB Decoders (USB to JAMMA, etc.) !

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  • Jasen HicksJasen Hicks JasensCustoms.com Joined: Posts: 2,210
    Sweet!!! Very excited.
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    Oh neat. I gotta keep my eyes out for when they are for sale
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  • UNW4NT3DUNW4NT3D Joined: Posts: 417
    Tbh if the screw terminal version is available much before the DB15 version then I might just get that, The MAK strike has screw terminals for inputs too so I could piggy back it easy enough.
  • erhanpurpleerhanpurple Joined: Posts: 12
    UNW4NT3D wrote: »
    Tbh if the screw terminal version is available much before the DB15 version then I might just get that, The MAK strike has screw terminals for inputs too so I could piggy back it easy enough.

    same here

  • GummoGummo Can We Mod It? Yes, We Can! Joined: Posts: 5,468
    Thanks Brian, I got the boards in today. I tested to see if it will recognize the Dual Shock 4 and Xbox One controllers, but it didn't. It recognized a DS3 controller so thats good.
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  • Jasen HicksJasen Hicks JasensCustoms.com Joined: Posts: 2,210
    Got mine today. Did you post a pin out diagram? Not that it's hard, but the terminals are covering some of the screen.
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    Got mine today. Did you post a pin out diagram? Not that it's hard, but the terminals are covering some of the screen.
    Just sent an e-mail to everyone. Yeah, screen print will definitely be adjusted on the final version :)
    -ud

  • Jasen HicksJasen Hicks JasensCustoms.com Joined: Posts: 2,210
    Received. I like it! I'd recommend for those out there that they wire SELECT up to the COIN switch for SuperGun use. I can verify this easily, but I am already posting....

    The GND is common ground on this board, yes? GND on both sides are electrically connected?
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    Received. I like it! I'd recommend for those out there that they wire SELECT up to the COIN switch for SuperGun use.
    Yeah, I think most people are accustom to that from Neo-Geo controller setups.
    The GND is common ground on this board, yes? GND on both sides are electrically connected?
    You don't have an ohmeter? :) Yes, GND is common throughout.
    -ud
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    Got the PCB and the nice USB A to A cable, I work this weekend but I am free Monday.

    I am really excited on putting this thing though some tests.
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  • Jasen HicksJasen Hicks JasensCustoms.com Joined: Posts: 2,210
    Quick First Impressions and Video:



    Ok, not quick... 20+ minutes of unfiltered and unbiased thoughts.
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    Quick First Impressions and Video:

    ...

    Ok, not quick... 20+ minutes of unfiltered and unbiased thoughts.

    Wow, that was fast! Sadly half the video was you fussing with the PS3 controller! The reason it wasn't working was because when the controller is looking for a Bluetooth signal from a PS3 (all 4 of the PS3 controller LEDs flashing) it won't properly sync up with the converter. If you wait for the LEDs on the PS3 controller to stop flashing it will work every time. Also, you didn't read the OP which states clearly that it only supports X360 and PS3?!

    Anyways. I do appreciate the review. Just wish you would have asked me some questions or done more reading before putting it up on the tubes. I should have given you guys some guidelines about publicity, so I guess that's my bad.
    -ud
  • Jasen HicksJasen Hicks JasensCustoms.com Joined: Posts: 2,210
    Just wanted to leave first impressions and show how it functioned. I think the final build with a final write up on use will definitely help. Admittedly, it was a few weeks since I read the OP and I didn't go back and read it today before playing... too excited. I would argue that by going into it blind I demonstrated what 95% of the population will do when they get it... not read the directions and just start playing. Out of the box it worked perfectly... minus the few problems I had when I intentionally disconnected the USB and plugged it back in to see what would happen. I could have edited the video, to cut some of it out, but I get more from videos where I see the person overcoming problems and really putting it to the test. Edited videos always seem fake to me... clearly not a Marketing guy and more interested in the facts.

    Overall, as I mentioned in the video I was extremely happy with the performance and quality. Definitely a winning idea! I already have people asking when the MK30 is coming out with proper stand offs for this little guy.

    As i dig out my XBOX crap I will do a follow up and address some more of the things based on the previous video and thoughts.

    Great job!
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    undamned wrote: »
    I should have given you guys some guidelines about publicity, so I guess that's my bad.
    -ud
    So whats your guide lines?

    I am willing to cocoperate
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    Darksakul wrote: »
    So whats your guide lines?

    I am willing to cocoperate
    I'll e-mail everyone, but basically, don't post pics/vids/"this doesn't work right" until you've run it by me. Beta testing, so far as I know, is typically a non-public exercise wherein the developer gets private feedback and opportunity to address any outstanding issues before it is made public. Once it's public, any joker is free to hop on youtube and plug their cat's tail into the thing (sorry Jasen, I don't want to beat on you too bad :D).
    -ud
  • emphaticemphatic Joined: Posts: 476
    Mine has landed today, so I'll wire it up ASAP and throw everything I have at it. But first, it's RTFM time.
    I love shmups and never play fighting games.
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  • LizaniasLizanias Joined: Posts: 127
    I'm bookmarking this thread because I am curious on whether this can be used on recent cabinets like Vewlix and Namco Noir.
  • emphaticemphatic Joined: Posts: 476
    Lizanias wrote: »
    I'm bookmarking this thread because I am curious on whether this can be used on recent cabinets like Vewlix and Namco Noir.

    You mean to hook up an USB controller to your cabinet for Player 2? If so, then it should work if you have the correct connector for the cabinet to wire the UD-USB to.

    I love shmups and never play fighting games.
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    edited January 2014
    Lizanias wrote: »
    I'm bookmarking this thread because I am curious on whether this can be used on recent cabinets like Vewlix and Namco Noir.
    The age of the cabinet is irrelevant. From PacMan to SFIV, almost every cabinet out there has common ground, active low, +5V logic. That's what this board uses. I have a Namco Excellena in my den that I intend to do a demo video of once I've hooked a board up. Nice for adding an extra player to a cab, or catering to people who prefer their personal controller over the stock arcade panel controls.
    -ud
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  • Jasen HicksJasen Hicks JasensCustoms.com Joined: Posts: 2,210
    Lizanias wrote: »
    I'm bookmarking this thread because I am curious on whether this can be used on recent cabinets like Vewlix and Namco Noir.

    You sure can! The Vewlix and Noir cabinets both have a JVS harness and the JAMMA Harness as well as kick harness points where necessary. The only thing you need to do is wire up your harnesses (from the JAMMA loom) to one of UDs converters, tap +5V from the power supply and go. Super simple.
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  • slash5150slash5150 Naptime? Joined: Posts: 3,616 mod
    My anticipation for these is through the roof!
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  • speedsterharryspeedsterharry Joined: Posts: 781
    UD: I take it that sending these bad boys overseas is not too far-fetched (you sent one to emphatic, who I think lives in sweden) ? I know one guy who wants me to build one UD-USB to MC Cthulhu converter
  • LizaniasLizanias Joined: Posts: 127
    emphatic wrote: »
    ...it should work if you have the correct connector for the cabinet to wire the UD-USB to.
    undamned wrote: »
    The age of the cabinet is irrelevant. From PacMan to SFIV, almost every cabinet out there has common ground, active low, +5V logic. That's what this board uses.
    -ud
    You sure can! The Vewlix and Noir cabinets both have a JVS harness and the JAMMA Harness as well as kick harness points where necessary. The only thing you need to do is wire up your harnesses (from the JAMMA loom) to one of UDs converters, tap +5V from the power supply and go. Super simple.

    Thanks for the replies. I was wondering on whether this device could be used to build extra USB controller ports on arcade cabs, for people who prefer to play with their own controllers. A similar idea to the PS2 controller ports on US Tekken 5 cabinets.
    dGpdxhll.jpg

    Now I'm more excited about this device. :)
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    I think that is the idea.

    Me and undamned were talking about some applications we think could get alot of people excited
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Me and undamned were talking about some applications we think could get alot of people excited
    Right now, I think the hottest one is automated toilet paper dispenser. After hooking up a motor controller, reading on the can would be replace by SF practice sessions. DP motion dispenses 3 squares, fireball 1 square, FADC-Ultra gives 4 squares. Toilet time has never been this fun.
    -ud
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    edited January 2014
    And not putting working USB ports on a NES?

    LOL, Joking. Undamed PCB for robotics is Awesome
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  • UNW4NT3DUNW4NT3D Joined: Posts: 417
    When are these likely to be available? I'm running ST at 2 UK majors this year and would love people to be able to use their USB sticks!
  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    UD: I take it that sending these bad boys overseas is not too far-fetched (you sent one to emphatic, who I think lives in sweden) ? I know one guy who wants me to build one UD-USB to MC Cthulhu converter
    Sure, world shipping is fine.
    UNW4NT3D wrote: »
    When are these likely to be available? I'm running ST at 2 UK majors this year and would love people to be able to use their USB sticks!
    In a couple weeks I should have all my feedback from the beta testers. I will be doing another board revision before building large quantities. Tentatively early March, but between beta testing and full production, I still have about a dozen of these most recent builds to sell off. I already have a list of people that have been hounding me for over a year, so those folks will all get first dibs, based on when they contacted me, so those extra boards should probably already be considered gone.
    -ud
  • slash5150slash5150 Naptime? Joined: Posts: 3,616 mod
    IF there are any left I am definitely interested in purchasing and can get the money too ya immediately! :)
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    undamned wrote: »
    In a couple weeks I should have all my feedback from the beta testers. I will be doing another board revision before building large quantities. Tentatively early March, but between beta testing and full production, I still have about a dozen of these most recent builds to sell off. I already have a list of people that have been hounding me for over a year, so those folks will all get first dibs, based on when they contacted me, so those extra boards should probably already be considered gone.
    -ud

    Assuming some idiot beta testers know how to set up the board correctly LOL.
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  • UNW4NT3DUNW4NT3D Joined: Posts: 417
    slash5150 wrote: »
    IF there are any left I am definitely interested in purchasing and can get the money too ya immediately! :)

    Same here! looking forward to building a silly case for it!

  • UnessentialUnessential Joined: Posts: 1,168
    edited January 2014
    WHAAAAT??? You didn't cross link to the UDCPS 2 thread?? You KNEW I was interested in this. And your target price is what I thought was reasonable as well! And no email?? TAKE MY MONEY NOW and send me a prototype!

    I had to hear that you released this from eltrouble on facebook!
    <quitjockinmystyle> everybody i wil approve what is cheating moves or not.
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  • erhanpurpleerhanpurple Joined: Posts: 12
    "Assuming some idiot beta testers know how to set up the board correctly LOL."
    "TAKE MY MONEY NOW and send me a prototype!"

    i feel this discussion becomes ugly
  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    WHAAAAT??? You didn't cross link to the UDCPS 2 thread?? You KNEW I was interested in this. And your target price is what I thought was reasonable as well! And no email?? TAKE MY MONEY NOW and send me a prototype!

    I had to hear that you released this from eltrouble on facebook!
    A.) Keep your shirt on.
    B.) Not everyone who's ever expressed interest in these (many over probably a couple years now) is a beta tester.
    C.) They aren't released. As mentioned above, "Tentatively early March."
    "Assuming some idiot beta testers know how to set up the board correctly LOL."
    "TAKE MY MONEY NOW and send me a prototype!"

    i feel this discussion becomes ugly
    I think Dark Sakul might have been making fun of himself. He had a hard time getting the bootloader working.
    -ud
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    edited February 2014
    undamned wrote: »
    I think Dark Sakul might have been making fun of himself. He had a hard time getting the bootloader working.
    -ud

    Eyup.
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    Cant wait for this!
  • UnessentialUnessential Joined: Posts: 1,168
    undamned wrote: »
    [
    A.) Keep your shirt on.
    B.) Not everyone who's ever expressed interest in these (many over probably a couple years now) is a beta tester.
    C.) They aren't released. As mentioned above, "Tentatively early March."

    I got excited. Sue me. I thought they were released, and under the impression that everyone who bought one was a tester.

    I did a ctrl+f fot "early march" and that was mentioned in the block text in the middle of your huge opening post. In a section that I skimmed because I felt it wasn't important information for me. If you had it at the beginning or end I would have caught it.

    <quitjockinmystyle> everybody i wil approve what is cheating moves or not.
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    In a section that I skimmed because I felt it wasn't important information for me.
    Everything I say is important... to everyone... especially you.
    -ud

  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    undamned wrote: »
    In a section that I skimmed because I felt it wasn't important information for me.
    Everything I say is important... to everyone... especially you.
    -ud

    Other words Reading is Fundamental.

    @Undammed I should have something to show ya by this weekend.
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    Hi undamned,

    Glad to see this projects working out well. Just registering interest again.

    Thanks,

    Craig
  • ShinjiGohanShinjiGohan Joined: Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Could there be batches compatible with MAS setups? A lot of those are still selling on ebay, and I've wired up my sticks to be compatible with it (especially since my brother bought his supergun from them almost a decade ago). If not I'd have to use the screw terminals. But just inquiring.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    Could there be batches compatible with MAS setups? A lot of those are still selling on ebay, and I've wired up my sticks to be compatible with it (especially since my brother bought his supergun from them almost a decade ago). If not I'd have to use the screw terminals. But just inquiring.

    I don't get what your asking here.

    Undammed USB encoder takes the signals from an existing USB arcade stick like a PS3 or Xbox 360 stick and converts the signals to something Jamma or a HD15 connector could use.
    If your MAS stick already set up for SuperGuns, you don't need this board, this board is so that you can use a modern USB controller with your super gun or consolize arcade board.
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  • UnessentialUnessential Joined: Posts: 1,168
    edited February 2014
    Darksakul wrote: »
    undamned wrote: »
    In a section that I skimmed because I felt it wasn't important information for me.
    Everything I say is important... to everyone... especially you.
    -ud

    Other words Reading is Fundamental.

    Hey, I did read. It wasn't even the first post. it was buried in the thread. in the middle of technical stuff I didn't bother to decipher at the time.

    undamned wrote: »
    In a section that I skimmed because I felt it wasn't important information for me.
    Everything I say is important... to everyone... especially you.
    -ud



    Ok. My bad. I'll get a copy of your housekeys made so i won't miss anything in the future =)
    <quitjockinmystyle> everybody i wil approve what is cheating moves or not.
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  • ShinjiGohanShinjiGohan Joined: Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Could there be batches compatible with MAS setups? A lot of those are still selling on ebay, and I've wired up my sticks to be compatible with it (especially since my brother bought his supergun from them almost a decade ago). If not I'd have to use the screw terminals. But just inquiring.

    I don't get what your asking here.

    Undammed USB encoder takes the signals from an existing USB arcade stick like a PS3 or Xbox 360 stick and converts the signals to something Jamma or a HD15 connector could use.
    If your MAS stick already set up for SuperGuns, you don't need this board, this board is so that you can use a modern USB controller with your super gun or consolize arcade board.
    Mas superguns are wired with a DSUB 25 not 15. Though they use 15 of the 25 pins. So they should have stuck with a DSUB15. But for whatever reason they put in DSUB25. Whether it was to give people options of expanding more inputs if they need. rotatory joystick or mahjong buttons maybe. But now everyone that bought superguns from them since the 1990's via mail order until the recent internet boom of 5-7 years ago is using them. Thus a potential large sale base is out there with MAS Dsub25's. Including those like myself you made their ports to be compatible with MAS sticks by using the dsub25's.
  • FreedomGundamFreedomGundam Freedom, ikimasu! Joined: Posts: 2,372
    edited February 2014
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Could there be batches compatible with MAS setups? A lot of those are still selling on ebay, and I've wired up my sticks to be compatible with it (especially since my brother bought his supergun from them almost a decade ago). If not I'd have to use the screw terminals. But just inquiring.

    I don't get what your asking here.

    Undammed USB encoder takes the signals from an existing USB arcade stick like a PS3 or Xbox 360 stick and converts the signals to something Jamma or a HD15 connector could use.
    If your MAS stick already set up for SuperGuns, you don't need this board, this board is so that you can use a modern USB controller with your super gun or consolize arcade board.
    Mas superguns are wired with a DSUB 25 not 15. Though they use 15 of the 25 pins. So they should have stuck with a DSUB15. But for whatever reason they put in DSUB25. Whether it was to give people options of expanding more inputs if they need. rotatory joystick or mahjong buttons maybe. But now everyone that bought superguns from them since the 1990's via mail order until the recent internet boom of 5-7 years ago is using them. Thus a potential large sale base is out there with MAS Dsub25's. Including those like myself you made their ports to be compatible with MAS sticks by using the dsub25's.
    But that's exactly what @Darksakul was referring to: these USB-->discrete PCBs simply take the USB signal and translate them to separate signals for U/D/L/R, 1/2/3/4/5/6, Start/Coin. D-Sub 15, D-Sub 25; those are just connectors, and really are outside of anything that this PCB uses or cares about.

    If you're referring to the D-Sub 15 versions that @undamned will be releasing down the line, it's because the majority of modern Superguns built are all built to Neo-Geo controller port specs. Regardless, as long as you know the pinout to your D-Sub 25, you can wire up your own converters with a male (or female, whichever) D-Sub 25 port with these USB-->discrete PCBs.

    This isn't about "compatibilty" per say; technically, these PCBs are compatible with pretty much literally everything, from Superguns to RC cars to toasters. It's just a matter of people actually understanding what they want/need out of these.
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  • ShinjiGohanShinjiGohan Joined: Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited February 2014
    and that's what I'm referring to. I know he was planning on releasing D-sub15's, but why not also do D-sub25's since that was the standard before neogeo based superguns messed changed that standard just because. The pinout is all over the place compared to MAS as well. MAS was the standard since the early 90's when they were giving away their superguns and controllers to tournament winners. Was how people were playing arcade boards at home well before the internet took over.

    Honestly which pinout makes more sense? Having the pins go in order, up, down, left, right, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ground, start, coin, +5v, nc
    MAS
    http://www.assemblergames.com/images/pinoutmas.jpg

    Or the new supergun standard neogeo based? ground, 6, coin, 4 ,2, right, down, +5v, nc, 5, start, 3 ,1, left, up
    http://www.thesupergun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/db15_laugh.png

    If not I can wire it up myself. I just don't see why I can't request a logical pinout header. Nor why I'm getting all this backlash because everyone is accustomed to that messed up pinout from neo geo.

    That neo geo based design just screams that someone was too lazy to adapt the set standard from mas systems and just wanted to use their neo geo stick instead and everyone jumped ship for some reason. The AES was a failed system so it isn't like there are millions of homes with those controllers/sticks to use.


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  • FreedomGundamFreedomGundam Freedom, ikimasu! Joined: Posts: 2,372
    Sorry, didn't mean to have it sound like backlash or anything.
    and that's what I'm referring to. I know he was planning on releasing D-sub15's, but why not also do D-sub25's since that was the standard before neogeo based superguns messed changed that standard just because. The pinout is all over the place compared to MAS as well. MAS was the standard since the early 90's when they were giving away their superguns and controllers to tournament winners. Was how people were playing arcade boards at home well before the internet took over.

    Honestly which pinout makes more sense? Having the pins go in order, up, down, left, right, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ground, start, coin, +5v, nc
    MAS
    http://www.assemblergames.com/images/pinoutmas.jpg

    Or the new supergun standard neogeo based? ground, 6, coin, 4 ,2, right, down, +5v, nc, 5, start, 3 ,1, left, up
    http://www.thesupergun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/db15_laugh.png

    If not I can wire it up myself. I just don't see why I can't request a logical pinout header. Nor why I'm getting all this backlash because everyone is accustomed to that messed up pinout from neo geo.

    I can't argue that the MAS layout you mentioned IS more intuitive, but I'm wondering on the number of people using MAS Superguns these days compared to people use Superguns with the Neo-Geo standard instead?

    While I don't necessarily agree with the button layout (was hella confusing when wiring up my own Supergun the first time), I do think, for minimalistic purposes, the DA-15 plug is more economical than the DB-25 plug, simply just because it's smaller and there's less unused pins that are just sitting there.
    That neo geo based design just screams that someone was too lazy to adapt the set standard from mas systems and just wanted to use their neo geo stick instead and everyone jumped ship for some reason. The AES was a failed system so it isn't like there are millions of homes with those controllers/sticks to use.
    I don't know the real reason that the Neo controller pinout was used for Superguns, nor will I pretend to, but while it may just be the forums and circles that I frequent, I personally haven't seen anyone use a MAS Supergun. I don't think @undamned's in the wrong for using the format that is the generally accepted popular standard now, regardless of how weird that standard looks from a design or technological point of view.

    I suppose I just feel that your discontentment is misplaced; rather than "Why is undamned supporting the popular-but-retarded standard?", it would be more of "Why did people adopt this standard to begin with?". Hypothetically, had the MAS pinout been adopted as the standard, I'm sure undamned would've made that his default layout.

    In the end, it sounds like having to solder in your own output plug isn't a problem, so unfortunately, that'll probably be the best course of action. Regardless, it won't change the fact that we'll be getting a kick-ass PCB that's versatile in so many ways.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    the NEO GEO 15 pin standard is used as NEO GEO controllers can be used without any modification.
    NEO GEO controllers have no Encoders and no PCB circuits to speak off except to facilitate in wiring buttons and d-pad to a 15 pin connector.

    db15_laugh.png
    As you see here there plenty of room not just for Neo Geo, but for capcom 6 button layouts
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,678
    If not I can wire it up myself. I just don't see why I can't request a logical pinout header. Nor why I'm getting all this backlash because everyone is accustomed to that messed up pinout from neo geo.

    That neo geo based design just screams that someone was too lazy to adapt the set standard from mas systems and just wanted to use their neo geo stick instead and everyone jumped ship for some reason. The AES was a failed system so it isn't like there are millions of homes with those controllers/sticks to use.
    I think @FreedomGundam nailed it in his last post. As much as the Neo pinout is all over the place, it has become standard in this hobby. MAS superguns are definitely in the minority, whether they are the better design or not.

    Each of the board designs I'm making are not just for a few units going to a handful of people who requested them. I don't want to waste energy managing an extra design. You should have no problem wiring up some of the terminal strip versions into your own DB25 adapters.
    -ud
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