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  • EraldoCoilEraldoCoil Hates Mexican food, is Mexican. Joined: Posts: 430
    Hi, can you please change my name in the rankings for MKX?

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/player/byname/Mr. America

    The tournament was for Hadocon VII on the 4th of July. I signed up as a gimmick name due to it being the 4th of July Holiday. Please Change my name to what I play as at every tournament "Eraldo Coil" I'm a Mileena player from Fresno.

    To confirm it's me I was also at EVO playing Mileena in Pool H37 Making it to losers finals losing to KH Royale twice.

    Thank you!
    (El Rado) I'm Mike G.
    Fresno's best 3S player
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited July 2015
    Why haven't these ranking battles been added?

    http://shoryuken.com/2015/07/25/topanga-ultra-street-fighter-iv-ranking-battle-2015-osaka-day-1-streaming-live/

    And these need to be worth a lot of points because of the players attending. Raphael gave a summary of one of the ranking battles (the one that Akimo one):

    83 Entries, single elimination, FT2 format.

    Twiggy, best Hawk in Japan, bodied Xian 2/0, finishing him with a perfect, after he bodied Aiai ;
    Momochi lost in the first stage to Tokido, Choco lost too at that stage ;
    Inco bodied Nemo ;
    Keiji N, second best DJ lost to Fuudo early in the tournament ;
    Kawaguchi bodied Reiketsu in the first match ;
    Yossan lost to Shiro in his first match ;

    Top 16 :
    Kazunoko lost to Fuudo ;
    Tokido lost to Nishikin ;
    Naruto lost to Kyabetsu ;
    Saihai lost to Akimo ;
    Twiggy lost to Torachi ;
    Kazunoko lost to Fuudo ;
    Inco lost to Kyoku ;
    Karisuma lost to Kawaguchi ;

    Full top 16:
    1. Akimo (Elena) – 12 points
    2. RZR|Fuudo (Fei Long) – 9 points
    3. NISHIKIN (Blanka) – 7 points
    3. Kyabetsu (C.Viper) – 7 points
    5. Kawaguchi (Rose) – 5 points
    5. Kyoku (Yang) – 5 points
    5. Gonzalez (Seth) – 5 points
    5. Torachi (Adon) – 5 points
    9. Karisuma (Adon) – 4 points
    9. Inco (Rufus) – 4 points
    9. Kazunoko (Yun) – 4 points
    9. Twiggy (T.Hawk) – 4 points
    9. Saihai (?) – 4 points
    9. Naruto (Ibuki) – 4 points
    9. Tokido (Gouki) – 4 points
    9. Karipo (Sakura) – 4 points

    So, we have a ranking battle of 83 players that consist of Tokido, Momochi, Kazunoko, Fuudo, NEMO, Xian and other well known top players.
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • VeseriusVeserius Hold Down Back Joined: Posts: 11,158
    because the ranking site is a joke
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  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    Veserius wrote: »
    because the ranking site is a joke

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Processing all the comments made on the last two pages!
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    goflotsam wrote: »
    Here is some information regarding sponsors.

    - Rico Suave, Infiltration, and fLoE are free agents.
    - Daigo, Tokido, Mago, and Zhi are the only 4 members of Mad Catz.
    - JRosa, Tom Brady, DragonGod are no longer with EMP.
    - Frequency has disbanded.
    - Ryan Hart = FA
    - ChrisG = Tempo
    - Valmaster = GL
    - Sanford Kelly, CD Jr., IFC Yipes = TSC
    - Xiao Hai, Dakou = Qanba
    - Itazan, Perfect Legend, RB = RZR
    - Hoodaman, LPN = pH
    - Pig of the Hut = YOMI
    - FourWude, Hamad = DL (DisplayLag; P.S., Hamad is a US player)
    - Leffen = TSM (yes, Leffen is in the rankings)
    - Dora = BE (Dora was an EVO 2014 BlazBlue finalist)

    That is all I can give you as of now.

    UPDATE: Filipino Champ and Insaynne are with Panda Gaming.

    I still have a lot of work on teams, thanks
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    Im still having trouble understanding the point allocation for some of these tournaments...

    For example, these Topanga Ranking Battles...it is true that they are qualifiers for a larger tournament, however these qualifiers still contain extremely high level players (in fact, almost everyone in it is a high level player) and also contain a reasonable amount of players (atleast 50+).

    Just an example here but I'm pretty sure if you had a massive major of 500 midlevel players with some high level players sprinkled in, it would be worth a lot more points than a qualifier containing 100 players on the level of Daigo...is this accurate? I don't believe it should be.

    You gave a measly 100 total points to the Osaka qualifier, which contained well known, top level players: Fuudo, Momochi, Tokido, XIAN, Kazunoko, Nemo and lesser known top players such as Inco, Yossan, Kyabetsu, Kawaguuchi, Akimo, Shiro, Reiketsu...and even more interesting was that most of the well known popular top players like the ones mentioned in the first list (Nemo, Xian, Momochi, etc) got blown up early in the tournament.

    I think whether it is a qualifier or not, should be irrelevant. In the end, it is still a competition between the best players in the world, where the majority of the well known popular players that attended, actually lost early to the lesser known players. These are not your random Wednesday Night Fights ranking battles, these are the best players in the world.

    If the SRK rankings are to be taken seriously (and trust me - not many do take it seriously, as I've witnessed from discussions on here, Eventhubs and stream chats), then you need a more accurate evaluation process. Competitions between the highest level players, should not be worth so low, while you have tournaments like Kumite in Tennesse being worth way more and having a much much much smaller pool of good players. Just compare the top 16 of Kumite in Tennesse 2015, to the players I listed in the Osaka qualifier:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Kumite In Tenessee 15 - USF4

    Kumite in Tenesse(first place worth 280): Hamad, Wong, Ricky, ludovic, Perfect Legend, K-Brad, Cast Blanka, Joel, Chaotix, Ranmasama, Sanford Kelly, Outkreyd, Magnegro, Arturo Sabin, Nice1, BoomCube

    Topanga Osaka Qualifier(first place worth 100): (not listed in order, just listing SOME of the top players that attended) Momochi, Fuudo, Tokido, Xian, Kazunoko, Nemo, Inco, Yossan, Kyabetsu, Kawaguuchi, Akimo, Shiro, Reiketsu

    Something is very wrong with the evaluation.
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • ShineboxShinebox Joined: Posts: 2,689
    edited August 2015
    I gave up after the Nine States Tournament was valued at 480 points

    The first ranking battles had 4 evo champs in it (Daigo, Fuudo, Momochi, Xian)
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    I'll mention another thing that is off and biased about this ranking. Many tournaments are weighted based on the popularity within the North American scene. North America has many tournaments and they put a "major" label on them. Because of this, there are many Americans that are in the top 50 or top 100 just because they attend these tournaments. These tournaments are out of range of most players outside of the US (whether they are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Singaporean, Brazilian, etc).

    When you have a Japanese tournament for instance...they automatically get rated as low, unless it's Topanga League (possibly because it's more advertised due to the prize money). Even tournaments that might be considered majors, are pretty much worthless in ranking points. Look at the Starting Over tournament:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Starting Over - Best and Strongest - USF4

    Why is this worth 160 points for first place? This is basically a Japanese equivalent of a major in the US...is it because you've never heard of the tournament before? Is it because you don't know who the players are? Or that there are no Americans at the tournament? Or perhaps that it isn't a Capcom Pro Tour tournament? Lets look at the korean Double Elimination tournament:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Double Elimination CPT Asia Qualifier - USF4

    First place, 470 points. The playerlist looks pretty similar to that Osaka Topanga Qualifier...in fact, Osaka is more stacked than this one. But this one has the CPT label on it, so instantly gets more ranking points?

    International players that can only play within their own country's tournaments, can never really rise in ranking because their tournaments are almost never worth anything, even if the competition is filled with players such as Momochi, Tokido, Fuudo, Kazunoko, Nemo, etc. Whereas most of the top American players, attend their own American tournaments and rack up points just because their tournaments are given higher rankings by default, even if the competition is not as strong. Why is everyone else except America expected to travel to prove their skills?

    Like I said, there is something very off with the rankings. I think every competition, should be treated as a tournament if it has a reasonable amount of players and if most of those players are high level. Whether the tournament is a low budget qualifier for something much greater, taking place in someone's basement or in the woods with no one knowing, it shouldn't matter, if the players in attendance are ones such as Momochi, Tokido, Daigo, etc.
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    Yes, some tournaments are not ranked high enough. Sometimes because the players attending are not very known on an international scene, sometimes because it is not certain how open a tournament was.
    Eg the topanga ranking battles are currently classified not according to weight but as 'circuit', because there are so many of them and they happen to gather all JP top players, which would push away all big international tournaments, but they arent very open to internationatal competition at all as they are local qualifier events.

    It is tough to judge on that, but I agree that competition in those tournament is indeed extremely high
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    The main idea of this ranking is not to rank players according to their individual skill, but to how well they do when competing with others. It is not possible to compare anyone if they dont play anyone outside of their usual circle.
    Say that AiAi would beat anyone in JP, he should be nr1 as Daigo and Momochi are obviously the top. But it is not fair to rank him like that if he never played Pr Balrog, Luffy or Xian
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    Acku wrote: »
    Eg the topanga ranking battles are currently classified not according to weight but as 'circuit', because there are so many of them and they happen to gather all JP top players, which would push away all big international tournaments, but they arent very open to internationatal competition at all as they are local qualifier events.

    Well, Xian was there for one of the Topanga qualifiers, so they are definitely open to internationals. I think just like how those qualifiers are out of reach for most top American players (out of reach in terms of location), the American tournaments are also out of reach for many top non-American players.
    Acku wrote: »
    The main idea of this ranking is not to rank players according to their individual skill, but to how well they do when competing with others. It is not possible to compare anyone if they dont play anyone outside of their usual circle.
    Say that AiAi would beat anyone in JP, he should be nr1 as Daigo and Momochi are obviously the top. But it is not fair to rank him like that if he never played Pr Balrog, Luffy or Xian

    Right but this is true for so many of America's players too. Hamad for example, is ranked 49th in the world and he has almost zero experience against anyone outside of the US...I think he's only fought a few Japanese players (Daigo, Itabashi, Pepeday) and lost to all of them. There's Sanford who loses against practically ever international player, but again he is ranked very high. This is because American tournaments, particularly ones that don't even have any international competition, are rated much higher than they should be.

    Edit: And also, why does AiAi have to fight PR Rog, Luffy or Xian for his skills to be validated?
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • VeseriusVeserius Hold Down Back Joined: Posts: 11,158
    So your goal isn't to rank players by how good they are, but by how well they do in competitions you've arbitrarily decided are more valuable?
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  • IglooBobIglooBob Bob the builder Joined: Posts: 4,034
    Seems like an elo system + keeping track of the results of every match in tournament would be a sound way to go if you wanted accuracy. Like if you think about your current system it's gonna be pretty hard/pretty much impossible to accurately weigh each tournament. It's going to be arbitrary even if you have some set of guiding principles.

    I know that's probably more work than anyone wants to do though. It would take more than one person updating for sure.
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    http://gameslines.challonge.com/armorbreak2

    Armour Break 2 Results: (all french)

    1. Gagapa (Bison)
    2. Starnab (Fei Long)
    3. Madjestik (Chun)
    4. Isoudw (Guile)
    5. Street Harder (Adon)
    5. Valmaster (Chun)
    7. Kx (Decapre)
    7. Lorddvd (Honda)
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    tomakh wrote: »
    http://gameslines.challonge.com/armorbreak2

    Armour Break 2 Results: (all french)

    1. Gagapa (Bison)
    2. Starnab (Fei Long)
    3. Madjestik (Chun)
    4. Isoudw (Guile)
    5. Street Harder (Adon)
    5. Valmaster (Chun)
    7. Kx (Decapre)
    7. Lorddvd (Honda)

    thx
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    edited August 2015
    IglooBob wrote: »
    Seems like an elo system + keeping track of the results of every match in tournament would be a sound way to go if you wanted accuracy. Like if you think about your current system it's gonna be pretty hard/pretty much impossible to accurately weigh each tournament. It's going to be arbitrary even if you have some set of guiding principles.

    I know that's probably more work than anyone wants to do though. It would take more than one person updating for sure.

    I agree. There are some people trying to do that, like maxoplata.net and Kyosuke SSF4 rank. They try to record individual matches. But this is so hard to get that there are two disadvantages:
    - only well-known and broadcasted majors are recorded (think Evo, CEO, Dreamhack, Topanga)
    - it is only recorded up to the matches that are known (often only top8)

    This makes that you get very detailed data but only about a very limited set of people. This could be the way forward, but it certainly was not the way back, where I wanted to compile data starting from 2009, in 2013. And yes, it involved a lot of work. Looking at how Kyosuke does, it means messaging people on Facebook and Twitter all the time to get their match results ands characters for off-stream matches. Given that some players don't care to reply, that is a shitty job.

    To be honest, this could be solved if we had a better tournament standard, like say Capcom Pro Tour is one. This could enforce TO's to report results in detail and would make the ecosystem a lot better.

    Currently, it is done by tournament ranking. There are a few ways toi cross-check validity of that result.
    - Compare to CPT: http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/cpt (sort by srk rank)
    - Compare to EVO: http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/watch/index?game=SF4 (check who got where, you expect most in SEMIS or late Quarters)

    and verifying if players rank according to their assigned weight, when it is often not I re-evaluate weight. There is also a tool that checks if weight is appropriate according to overall rank, although exceptions are allowed for those that dont plat often. Eg Sako/Eita has higher weight than rank would suggest
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    You mentioned before that weight is used in deciding the value of an event, but I don't see that to be the case with a number of these tournaments, such as the Topanga qualifiers.

    A potential problem I see with the weight system (assuming that it's supposed to work by weighing the events based on the weight of the players) is that players that don't play as often)or just aren't as well known) will have lower weight and so if many of these low weight players attend a tournament (such as a japanese one for instance), the tournament will be weighted low because the players have low weight...and so they'll never really rise unless they happen to beat Momochi or someone like that.

    If someone is a great player but loses almost all the time to high weight players like Momochi, Tokido, Kazunoko, etc but beats or goes even with other strong players that also have low weight (for the reasons explained above), how can those players really increase in weight without doing something unreasonable (like winning a big tournament)?

    Edit: on a seperate note, just noticed something wrong with the ratings of this tournament:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Mix Up Night 25 - UMVC3

    I think it's incomplete.
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    @Acku Will there ever be a rankings chart for Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN-?
  • VeseriusVeserius Hold Down Back Joined: Posts: 11,158
    goflotsam wrote: »
    @Acku Will there ever be a rankings chart for Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN-?

    Can't wait for some american to be #1
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  • IglooBobIglooBob Bob the builder Joined: Posts: 4,034
    Yeah that's what I was thinking too - a player ranking system only works really well if there's an established central organization for TOs to report to, and an understanding that you should send your tourney results to there. It's funny - I've played in one chess tournament in my life (I was 10, thought I was Bobby Fischer, lost every game to people who were around 40-60, cried, and retired on the spot) but I still have an entry on some chess website where it lists what tournament I played in and the results of my games.

    If the FGC had something similar to that it would be cool. I think it would be pretty motivating for certain kinds of players too. If there's a feeling in the community that a players Elo rating accurately describes his strength, people would be much more interested in player rankings and improving themselves.
  • VeseriusVeserius Hold Down Back Joined: Posts: 11,158
    yeah I played competitive magic for a long time, and you could track your ELO and see where you were ranked regionally/nationally/globally by format. You could easily see your points gained/loss for win-loss-draw, and bigger tournaments had publically posted Kratings so a small local tournament would at max let you lose/gain 8 points for a loss/win but more difficult tournaments would be `16-64 etc.

    eventually they scrapped that but it's worked great for chess/go/etc. I remember when there were rumors of the card system coming to console, and I was super excited, but it never came to pass.
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  • gutabogutabo Joined: Posts: 288
    Acku wrote: »
    Currently, it is done by tournament ranking. There are a few ways toi cross-check validity of that result.
    - Compare to CPT: http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/cpt (sort by srk rank)
    - Compare to EVO: http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/watch/index?game=SF4 (check who got where, you expect most in SEMIS or late Quarters)

    and verifying if players rank according to their assigned weight, when it is often not I re-evaluate weight. There is also a tool that checks if weight is appropriate according to overall rank, although exceptions are allowed for those that dont plat often. Eg Sako/Eita has higher weight than rank would suggest

    Hey Acku! I found a mistake in the USF4 EVO results rankings ( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/rank/index ). Let´s take Henry Cen( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/player/playerDetails?name=Henry+Cen ) as an example. He made it out of his pool in losers, got two byes, beat one player and was eliminated afterwards. He's listed as 193rd in your rank. Let's take another player, Yuto "Stoz" Lee ( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/player/playerDetails?name=Yuto+Lee ) as another example. Stoz got out of his pool in losers too, only got one bye, and then was eliminated without wining a game in quarters. Yet he's listed as being 129th. Henry got TWO byes and beat one guy in quarters before his elimination, yet a gut that only had one bye and didn't beat anyone afterwards is listed before him. There are plenty more other similar examples where you can see how those particular ranks are clearly wrong.

  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    gutabo wrote: »
    Acku wrote: »
    Currently, it is done by tournament ranking. There are a few ways toi cross-check validity of that result.
    - Compare to CPT: http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/cpt (sort by srk rank)
    - Compare to EVO: http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/watch/index?game=SF4 (check who got where, you expect most in SEMIS or late Quarters)

    and verifying if players rank according to their assigned weight, when it is often not I re-evaluate weight. There is also a tool that checks if weight is appropriate according to overall rank, although exceptions are allowed for those that dont plat often. Eg Sako/Eita has higher weight than rank would suggest

    Hey Acku! I found a mistake in the USF4 EVO results rankings ( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/rank/index ). Let´s take Henry Cen( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/player/playerDetails?name=Henry+Cen ) as an example. He made it out of his pool in losers, got two byes, beat one player and was eliminated afterwards. He's listed as 193rd in your rank. Let's take another player, Yuto "Stoz" Lee ( http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/player/playerDetails?name=Yuto+Lee ) as another example. Stoz got out of his pool in losers too, only got one bye, and then was eliminated without wining a game in quarters. Yet he's listed as being 129th. Henry got TWO byes and beat one guy in quarters before his elimination, yet a gut that only had one bye and didn't beat anyone afterwards is listed before him. There are plenty more other similar examples where you can see how those particular ranks are clearly wrong.

    You are correct about that :(
    I tested this up to SEMIS, but it seems that people in quarters are not correctly ranked. I'll try to get it fixed, not that it matters much now but just because it was an awful bug
  • gutabogutabo Joined: Posts: 288
    edited August 2015
    Acku wrote: »
    You are correct about that :(
    I tested this up to SEMIS, but it seems that people in quarters are not correctly ranked. I'll try to get it fixed, not that it matters much now but just because it was an awful bug

    Hopefully you can fix it! :D
    Post edited by gutabo on
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    There is something disturbing about this ranking:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/rank/BBCP

    Aside from the obvious oddities here, let me touch up on something else...Tochigin went up 35 spots, so I went to look up why. The reason was that Evo 2015 BlazBlue was worth a ton of points...It is important to distinguish that just because Evo might be the largest tournament in the world and possibly has the largest overall amount of top players, this does not mean it holds true for every game at Evo.

    Taking a more obvious example...Vampire Savior. If you were doing a ranking for Vampire Savior, the tournament at Evo would be worth almost nothing because there was only one Japanese player in it (Haitani) and the rest of the players (even MightyMar, who is America's best player and a strong Anakaris) are not really on the level of Japan's players.

    Similarly, BlazBlue was also not a mainstage game - it did not attract many top players across the world. You had some amazing and some good Japanese players but overall it is just your average BlazBlue tourney - a Mixup Night tournament has a much bigger collection of top players than the Evo one. Why was this given such a large weight - just because it was at Evo? It was a side tourney without most of the world's top players.

    It is tournaments like the Arcsys Revolution Cup(coming up this weekend), that need to be weighted for BlazBlue the way Evo is weighted for SF4 and Marvel. Last year's BlazBlue was a mainstage game and had the talent to back that up, not this year's Evo. The weighting should be greatly reduced.
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    edited August 2015
    @Acku @Emil

    The Dizzy that competed in UMvC3 is Mexican and goes by Miguel Osornio.
    The Dizzy that plays MKX, Injustice and KI is American and goes by Aaron Davis (sponsored by GGA).

    These are two different players. Please fix this pronto.
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    No need to reference me, I have nothing to do with the ranking page.
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/player/byname/kubo

    The marvel/persona/anime game Kubo and the SF player Kubo are not the same player. The SF4 player that plays Hugo, is called StormKUBO and has nothing to do with the other Kubo.

    You can see that by just comparing what the StormKUBO guy looked like in today's tournament to what Kubo looks like:

    Marvel/Anime Kubo:


    USF4 StormKUBO(guy in orange at the end of the video)
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    edited August 2015
    http://cyac.com/node/123304/bracket

    Japan E-Sports Championship 2015 (all Japanese)

    1. Nemo (Rolento)
    2. aiai (Juri)
    3. Kyabetsu (Viper)
    4. Hikarin (Oni)
    5. Oppoi (Ibuki)
    5. Jinzo (Dudley)
    7. Y. (Cammy)
    7. Bobby Syoryuken (Ryu)
    9. 1p (Ken)
    9. Ganaken (Abel)
    9. Lutuna/Tsuna (Juri)
    9. Santarouman (Sagat)

    http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/jul/13/topanga-ranking-battles-2015-early-results/

    The third Osaka Topanga Ranking battle was also played a while back.

    1. Matsuri (Chun-Li)
    2. Hishou (Sagat, Abel)
    3. MCZ|Mago (Yang, Fei Long)
    3. Rokkun (Seth)
    5. wao (Oni)
    5. BE|Nemo (Rolento)
    5. Vista (Decapre)
    5. Tamayuu (Vega)

    Also CodyNP who came 13th at the Taiwan qualifier is from Honk Kong and is the same player as Cody, Codynip, Cody Ng and CodyP, so he should be higher up in the Pro Tour rankings than he currently is. Gonzalez the Seth player is also on the rankings as HY.

    http://challonge.com/zq0cajvn

    Fight In Rio 2015 results: (all Brazil)

    1. BrenoFight3rs (Decapre/Evil Ryu/Cammy)
    2. LeCustela (Adon/Ken)
    3. BabyBrasil (Rufus)
    4. Alexandro (Poison)
    5. ZeusB (Guy)
    5. Ibukiman (Ibuki/Oni)
    7. Nameless (Rolento)
    7. Dark817 (Abel)

    http://vsftv.com/site/live-kakutop-france-les-22-23-aout-2015-avec-willtupac-cuongster-abdess/

    Kakutop FR results: (all french)

    1. Cuongster (Yun)
    2. Solidjin (Vega)
    3. Abdess (Ryu)
    4. Crimson (Viper)
    5. Will2pac (Viper)
    6. Mordesai (Hugo)
    7. StreetHarder (Adon)
    7. Jehosan (Cammy, Decapre)
    9. Akainu (Guile)
    9. JuniorLeo (Seth)
    Post edited by tomakh on
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    Fixing stuff, hang on :)
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    edited September 2015
    Tournament held in Ireland this weekend.

    Celtic Throwdown:

    http://www.celticthrowdown.com/
    http://rsie.challonge.com/rstop16

    1. Problem X (UK) (Seth/Viper/Yang/Ryu)
    2. Brian (UK) (Sakura/Fuerte)
    3. Apollo Steed (UK) (Chun)
    4. The Truth (UK) (Guile)
    5. Edinbulba (UK) (Honda)
    5. Cobelcog (IE) (Cammy/Ryu)
    7. Fergus (IE) (Rose/Poison)
    7. Nutrient (IE) (Rolento)
    9. JunDP (IE) (Fei/Akuma)
    9. D4RK ONION (IE) (Makoto/Elena)
    9. Ayjayirl (IE) (Ryu)
    9. Azza (IE) (Bison)

    Dubai Games 15

    http://challonge.com/USF4GAMES15


    1. Big Bird (UAE) (Guy, Poison, Rolento, Viper)
    2. Infiltration (KOR) (Ryu, Chun Li, Decapre, T Hawk)
    3. GTR (UAE) (Ryu)
    4. Fiz (UAE) (Rose, Sakura)
    5. Hamood (UAE) (Elena)
    5. Abood (UAE) (Ryu)
    7. Shinrai Tensei (UAE) (Chun)
    7. X-Azeez (UAE) (?)

    The bracket confused me a bit but from the match footage it looks like Abood is down as b boy in the brackets and Hamood bboy is down as just Hamood.
    Post edited by tomakh on
  • gutabogutabo Joined: Posts: 288
    Is the site http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/rank/index down? I'm getting a "bad gateway" error :(
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    gutabo wrote: »
    Is the site http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/rank/index down? I'm getting a "bad gateway" error :(

    yes it is, it was costing too much money to keep it up. Most people have found what they were looking for. IF for any special request I can boot it up for a day
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    Emil wrote: »
    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/player/byname/kubo

    The marvel/persona/anime game Kubo and the SF player Kubo are not the same player. The SF4 player that plays Hugo, is called StormKUBO and has nothing to do with the other Kubo.

    You can see that by just comparing what the StormKUBO guy looked like in today's tournament to what Kubo looks like:

    Marvel/Anime Kubo:


    USF4 StormKUBO(guy in orange at the end of the video)

    This hasn't been changed...Kubo and Stormkubo are not the same players.
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    edited September 2015
    Idk if this gets read anymore or what since the other haven't been added but may aswell post this.

    Hong Kong Esports 3

    http://challonge.com/hkest3_usfiv

    1. Dakou (CHN) (Evil Ryu)
    2. Humanbomb (HK) (Sakura, Yang)
    3. Cody/CodyNP (HK) (Hugo)
    4. Yik (HK) (Cammy, Evil Ryu)
    5. Rossi Yeung (HK) (Cody)
    5. FA (HK) (Cody)
    7. Kawing (HK) (Yun, Elena)
    7. U2 (HK) (Evil Ryu, Ibuki)
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    edited October 2015
    @Acku

    Some of these names need to be merged.

    - Nakkiel is the name of a player who formerly went by SG.
    - Mani is the name of a player who formerly went by CD Jr.

    Regarding sponsors.

    - Valmaster, Filipin0man = Team YP
    - Xiaohai, Dakou = Qanba
    - Problem X = KIG
    - Pepeday, EX Pugera = Fukuoka Games Center
    - HumanBomb, Air, Chi-Rithy = Canada Cup Gaming
    - Dashio, Santarou, Shiro, Kawaguchi = YUBIKEN
    - 801 Strider = Winterfox
    - Tonpy = MF
    - Sanford Kelly, Mani, IFC Yipes = The Steam Company
    - Andreas = WinnerStaysOn
    - Phenom, Veggey = BX3
    - ImStillDaDaddy, Tyrant_UK, Hurricane237, RMZ = Unequalled Media
    - NYChrisG, Rip = Tempo Storm
    - Julio, ApologyMan = Free Agent
    - Hoodaman, LPN = Pandora House
    - Hamad, FourWude = DisplayLag
    - Velociraptor, MajinTenshinhan = Eventhubs
    - Joel, Shin Phoenix = YOMI Gaming
    - Leffen = Team SoloMid
    - Kayane = Red Bull
    - RayRay, Flux = Free Agent (They left CTRL before EVO)
    - Nemo is now a free agent.

    Also adding on to what Emil said. Kubo and StormKUBO are not the same player. There are two separate Twitter accounts.

    https://twitter.com/kubo0055
    https://twitter.com/stormkubo

    Notice that Kubo tweets about Marvel and Airdasher games, while StormKUBO has Hugo as his Twitter pic. This proves that they are two different players.
    Post edited by goflotsam on
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    Btw Filipinoman got signed by YP
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • TLCJR4LIFETLCJR4LIFE Joined: Posts: 5
    This automated system is either going to need an overhaul or there is going to be need a reasonable amount of manual intervention. Some of these tournament weights are coming out to be quite absurd. Ultra Hyakkishu Cup is rated an "International" the same a minor EGX in Europe.

    The fatal flaw being extremely exposed. If a high rated player doesnt place, the system acts like he didnt participate, and diminishes the rating of the event. Ergo, the only way for a tournament to be highly rated, is if already highly rated players place well in it, this is obviously a completely nonsensical system that only accomplishes a self-serving of top players by inflating their reputation to impossible standards.

    It's bad enough that points are ridiculously punished when just a few of the top weight 10 players dont play, but this tournament was crapped on in the weights simply because Xian a rank 10, and several other top notch players like Poongko (rank 9) Eita (rank 9) etc, didnt place. This tournament, by all means, mathematically should be a premier 5(because Daigo and Infiltration didnt compete to make it Premier Mandatory) but it's not even that....it's rated the same as EU minors and the likes of Northwest Majors... utterly ridiculous.

    Players who participated in this and placed well are cheated out of around 200 ranking points on average just because the top players that inflate the weight underperformed.


  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2015
    It's what me and others have been pointing out many times. Despite bringing up these points, there has been no acknowledgement that there is an issue from Acku. If anything, he seemed to have dismissed everything on the basis that he claims there is a bias towards international (mainly Japanese) players.

    The tournament weighting used for this ranking system is an absolute joke - there is no redeeming point that can be made regarding it. Why have a ranking system that is blatantly inaccurate and just serves as a source of comedy? And as bad as that is, lets not even bring up the blazblue rankings:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/rank/BBCP

    The Japanese BlazBlue scene is so high that you can say there probably isn't one person outside of Japan who is in the top 50 (SKD is debatable). The rankings don't reflect this because for whatever reason, American tournaments that have 1-2 Japanese players (and in most cases, NO Japanese players) are given huge weightings.

    Edit: And how many times does it need to be stated that Kubo and Stormkubo are not the same player? In the Ultra Hyakkishu Cup, you once again put Kubo in the results, when it was StormKubo who attended.
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • TLCJR4LIFETLCJR4LIFE Joined: Posts: 5
    The system favors American in two ways.

    One is completely justified in that American players simply play more tournaments. For an objective ranking system , this is perfectly natural and desired. You want to get rated? You play. Simple.

    The other is unjustified and represents a terrible flaw in the system. The fact that the American pools are pretty much a joke and the level of skill disparity between the top Americans and the locals is so high that American top rated players will be much more consistent, constantly place high, and because already highly rated players are placing high, their events will be given MORE points so they can inflate their already high ranking points.

    In Japan, where literally everyone is good and pools are so hard many internationals come over and drown like in UHC, the system punishes these events by ignoring that the top players played in them and were beaten, it simply looks at the names and goes "Rokkun, never heard of him! Weight 5!" And then it tanks the whole tournament despite it being completely and utterly stacked.
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited October 2015
    TLCJR4LIFE wrote: »
    In Japan, where literally everyone is good and pools are so hard many internationals come over and drown like in UHC, the system punishes these events by ignoring that the top players played in them and were beaten, it simply looks at the names and goes "Rokkun, never heard of him! Weight 5!" And then it tanks the whole tournament despite it being completely and utterly stacked.

    Exactly this.

    Here's another example - Twiggy. He's considered the best or second best T-Hawk in the world...to get some idea of what kind of a player he is, here he is destroying Xian in one of those Topanga qualifier tournaments:



    He also placed decently in multiple Topanga qualifiers...what is his weight? 4/10.

    I'll post what I posted previously:
    Kumite in Tenesse(first place worth 280): Hamad, Wong, Ricky, ludovic, Perfect Legend, K-Brad, Cast Blanka, Joel, Chaotix, Ranmasama, Sanford Kelly, Outkreyd, Magnegro, Arturo Sabin, Nice1, BoomCube

    Topanga Osaka Qualifier(first place worth 100): (not listed in order, just listing SOME of the top players that attended) Momochi, Fuudo, Tokido, Xian, Kazunoko, Nemo, Inco, Yossan, Kyabetsu, Kawaguuchi, Akimo, Shiro, Reiketsu

    Keep in mind that in the Topanga Osaka Qualifiers, the popular names like Momochi, Xian, etc didn't even get top 8, they were beaten by the less popular players.

    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    TLCJR4LIFE wrote: »
    The fatal flaw being extremely exposed. If a high rated player doesnt place, the system acts like he didnt participate, and diminishes the rating of the event. Ergo, the only way for a tournament to be highly rated, is if already highly rated players place well in it, this is obviously a completely nonsensical system that only accomplishes a self-serving of top players by inflating their reputation to impossible standards.


    It is indeed a flaw, but usually not that pronounced as in this case. Top players usually place in the reported regions and thus count towards the weight. I realized it was not good for this tournament when inputting, but there were no results that reported further than top16.
    I can then either invent some stuff to make sure top players are reported, or hope somebody else at some point reports in a better way and update it. I can however not go sherlocking the results myself, as there is a lot of work involved and I am already at my limits of what I can do in my spare time.

    So sometimes it is not optimal. Most of the times it is pretty good. Currently pretty good is the best we get.
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    and yes I process all suggestions done here, it currently loses priority versus the Capcom Pro Tour reporting which is more relevant than standard rankings. Hope to do a clean-up after it
  • NinjaCWNinjaCW Joined: Posts: 486
    For alucarD can you put him under the "Team" F3 please? Thanks in advance
  • ioRoSioRoS =BS=ioRoS=oR= Joined: Posts: 3
    Acku hi can a ask your help for something ?

    "Px Doomed" http://capcomprotour.com/player/?player=18216&lang=en-us and me "TSD Bs ioRoS" http://capcomprotour.com/player/?player=18260&lang=en-us are both from Colombia

    Px Doomed http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/player/byname/Doomed , and me going to Costa Rica to play in this tournaments http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/939 i was Top 13 and i get 1 CPT Point and he top 7 and get 4 CPT points


    the help is because he don't get his full nick and we both are from Colombia and i dont appear in the rank page, we also going to EVO and our places are 128, i get out my pool beating Wolfkrone for Winners i play whit fei long, can you help us to appear whit our country, characters in the rank page ?


  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    edited November 2015
    Amazing Game Show 2015 - Peru
    https://www.facebook.com/AmazingGameShow/
    http://thebackyard.challonge.com/AGS_USF4_TOP4

    Top 4:
    1. Matharazo (Peru) (Fei)
    2. Darlan (Peru) (E.Ryu)
    3. Brentt (USA) (Rufus)
    4. Leo Rodriguez (Peru) (?)

    Youmacon 2015 - USA
    http://mifgc.challonge.com/YOUMA15_USF4

    Top 8: (all USA)
    1. Wolfkrone (Viper)
    2. Chris G (Sakura)
    3. Alucard (Hugo, Sagat, Evil Ryu)
    4. Kiu (Oni, Honda)
    5. DevilChipp (Yang)
    5. SG (Dhalsim)
    7. Rockdan (T Hawk)
    7. Kaker (Evil Ryu)

    Dreamolition Derby 2 - Germany
    http://hadoken.eu/category/dreamolition-derby/
    http://arcadedreams.challonge.com/dd2usf4

    1. Halibel (Germany) (Akuma, Ken)
    2. Demulant (Germany) (Sagat)
    3. YouGenius (Germany) (Vega)
    4. Yosh (Germany) (Akuma)
    5. Sheva (Germany) (Cody)
    5. Makotogatari (Germany) (Makoto)
    7. Ricky (Germany) (Boxer)
    7. Chargi (Austria) (Ibuki)

    Naptown Clutch V - USA


    Top 8: (all USA)
    1. Arturo Sanchez (Dhalsim)
    2. Alucard (Hugo, Sagat, Evil Ryu)
    3. DBJoseph (Sakura, Gen)
    4. Sketch (Rolento)
    5. BGCallisto (Sakura)
    5. RoyalPhlush (Evil Ryu)
    7. Hornett (?)
    7. Zachinabox (?)
    Post edited by tomakh on
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    Two things.

    #1 Ricky Ortiz should be spelled as "Ricki Ortiz" due to the fact that Ricki identifies herself as female since 2014.

    #2 Kubo and StormKUBO ARE NOT THE SAME PLAYER.
    - Kubo's real name is Tsutomu Kubota as determined by the EVO 2012 bracket. http://evo2012.s3.amazonaws.com/brackets/mvc3_m7.html
    - StormKUBO's real name is Kubo Arashi as determined by the Capcom Pro Tour site. https://capcomprotour.com/player/?player=16603&lang=en-us
  • IncorruptibilityIncorruptibility Joined: Posts: 224
    edited November 2015
    @Acku

    The top placements for all games at Naptown Clutch V was posted. A link to the image below.

    Here is a link to the Challonge for all games. It was not updated but it lists all the entrants.

    http://challonge.com/users/netbattles

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  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    @Acku

    Sponsor Update.

    Can you please remove these sponsors from said players
    Nemo and Abegen have left Black Eye
    Filipin0man and Steeeve have left Team Frequency
    Zeus has left Team PIE
    Lord Knight has left Team Spooky
    RayRay, Flux and Unkn0wn have left Control Gaming.
    Filipino Champ and Insaynne are not with Revolution Gaming and Bifuteki respectively.

    Can you please add the following sponsors
    Canada Cup Gaming = Air, Chi-Rithy, HumanBomb, BeeBall and Snafoo.
    The Black Eye = Takumi and Dora.
    Team Razer = Infiltration
    Team YP = Valmaster and Filipin0man
    Tempo Storm = NYChrisG, Rip
    Qanba = Xiaohai, Dakou
    Flipsid3 Tactics = Alucard, NinjaCW, Sleep
    BrawL eSports = Haitani
    Red Bull = Kayane
    D-Link = Lord Knight
    Yomi Gaming = Joel, Shin Phoenix
    Eventhubs = Veloc1raptor, MajinTenshinhan
    Team SoloMid = Leffen
    Panda Global Gaming = Filipino Champ, Insaynne (Coach Steve)
    The Steam Company = CD Jr. (now known as Mani), IFC Yipes, Sanford Kelly
    DisplayLag = Hamad, FourWude

    Can you please merge the following profiles
    CD Jr. now goes by Mani
    SG now goes by Nakkiel

    Can you please separate the following
    Kubo's profile (keep UMvC3 results for Kubo and move USF4 results into stormKUBO) I do not want to remind you again.
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    edited December 2015
    iBuyPower Cup - USA
    http://challonge.com/levelupibpcup2015

    Top 8: (all USA)
    1. NuckleDu (Guile, Decapre)
    2. Chris T (Ken, Juri)
    3. Pnoy (Bison)
    4. Filipinoman (Rose)
    5. Julio (Yun)
    5. Kai (El Fuerte)
    7. DChong (Fei)
    7. Chris G (Sakura)

    Arizona Rewired 2015 - USA
    http://rewired2015.challonge.com/USF4

    Top 8: (all USA)
    1. Snake Eyez (Zangief)
    2. TommyGunzss (Hakan)
    3. Velociraptor (Gouken)
    4. El Cubano Loco (Vega)
    5. Ranmasama (Decapre)
    5. Driftwood (Fei Long)
    7. Mocha Latte (Dudley)
    7. Roch (Makoto)

    I also posted Kakutop FR, Fight in Rio and Japan esports a while back incase you missed them.

    VSL Arena - France
    http://challonge.com/VSLArena001

    Top 16: (all French)
    1. Valmaster (Chun)
    2. Luffy (Rose)
    3. Solidjin (Vega)
    4. Abdess (Ryu)
    5. Cuongster (Yun)
    5. Isoudw (Guile)
    7. Gagapa (Bison)
    7. Yanniz (Bison)
    9. Kusanagi (Seth)
    9. Akainu (Guile)
    9. Starnab (Fei)
    9. Will2pac (Viper)
    13. Gakuto (Bison)
    13. LordDVD (Honda)
    13. TKR (Gouken)
    13. Aquarios (Dhalsim)

    Never Give Up Santiago 2015 - Chile
    http://ngu2015.challonge.com/USF4_FINAL

    Top 8:

    1. K-Brad (USA)(Cammy)
    2. Pikoro (Peru)(Bison)
    3. Evilcraa (Chile)(Seth)
    4. Chuchu (Brazil)(Sakura)
    5. Matharazo (Peru)(Fei Long)
    5. Darlan (Peru)(E. Ryu)
    7. GCMatos (Chile)(Abel, Poison)
    7. Felipe (Chile)(E. Ryu)

    Pre Capcom Cup Churning the Butter - USA - http://showdowngg.challonge.com/ChurningTheButter_57

    1. Poongko (Seth, Ryu)
    2. Tonpy (Viper)
    3. Valmaster (Chun)
    4. Dashio (Seth)
    5. Itabashi Zangief (Gief)
    5. Kelvin Jeon (Hugo, Rolento)
    7. Nuckledu (Guile)
    7. Snake Eyez (Gief)
    9. Alex Myers (Sakura)
    9. Julio (Yun)
    9. Fawwaz (Viper)
    9. Shiro (Abel)
    13. Crackfiend (Balrog)
    13. Brentt (Rufus)
    13. Humanbomb (Sakura)
    13. El Cubano Loco (Vega)
    Post edited by tomakh on
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