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  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited May 2015
    KVO USF4 Results:

    1. BE|NEMO (Rolento, Decapre)
    2. TONPY (C.Viper)
    3.MCZ|Tokido (Akuma)
    4. Kazunoko (Yun)
    5. inco (Rufus)
    5. Bonchan (Sagat)
    7. KoujiKOG (T.Hawk)
    7. FGC|Pepeday (El Fuerte)

    9. Misse (Makoto)
    9. Kawaguchi (Rose)
    9. Gachi-kun (Sagat)
    9. YBK|Shiro (Abel)
    13. Meu
    13. Eita (Akuma)
    13. Haitani (Rufus)
    13. Taayan

    The player roster here is absolutely stacked.
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    tomakh wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/events/359417140911895/permalink/383227218530887/

    Dunno whether this tournament is big enough, but there was The Colosseum I love My Little Pony so much it hurts held in Italy just over a week ago.

    Top 8:

    1) Luffy (France) (Rose)
    2) RMZ (UK) (Yun)
    3) Problem X (UK) (Viper, Seth)
    4) EasyFix.it | Kaino (Italy) (Ryu)
    5) EasyFix.it | Bonehead (Italy) (Ryu)
    5) LLL.MBR (Netherlands) (Akuma)
    7) RSD.Charming Rogue (Netherlands) (Cammy)
    7) Shirl (Italy) (Akuma)

    Thank you, I was looking for this but did not find it anywhere (y)
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    Battle Tiger Beatdown:

    http://unequalledmedia.challonge.com/BTB

    Results: (all UK players btw)
    1. Andreas (Rufus)
    2. RMZ (Yun, Elena)
    3. Hurricane237 (Decapre)
    4. Tyrant (Bison)
    5. F Word (Ibuki)
    5. Ninja Shakz (Abel)
    7. Ajay (Akuma)
    7. Afii (Poison)
    9. Problem X (Sagat, Viper)
    9. Pro Fluke (Rolento, Fuerte)
    9. Incognitus (T Hawk)
    9. Isam (Dudley)

    Also there was Resistance 4 which happened recently which Smug won I believe, can't find a bracket or standings for it anywhere.
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    Excuse me OP, I would like to know if you can add Power Rankings for Guilty Gear Xrd and Persona 4 Arena Ultimax. Those games came out in Fall 2014 and are in need of a Power Rankings.

    These games are beautiful to look at and without knowing who's best, we wouldn't know anything about best players.

    I'm a dirty casual, but I have the excuse that I like to watch tournaments and learn interesting tech. Also, I don't tolerate people who troll.
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    edited May 2015
    Sorry about the repeat posts, I don't know how to use forums really well.
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    edited May 2015
    I would also want to know if there will be a Power Rankings for KoF 13 and Tekken Tag 2, noticing how many tournies they have spawned internationally.

  • TLCJR4LIFETLCJR4LIFE Joined: Posts: 5
    http://frametrap.challonge.com/streetfridays115

    Street Fridays #115 Local Season Finale

    Top 8:

    1) Dieminion (USA) (Guile)
    2) Fruit (UAE) (Sakura)
    3) Big Bird (UAE) (Guy)
    4) Xian (SIN) (Gen, Elena)
    5) Latif (Saudi Arabia) (C. Viper)
    5) Ramadan (UAE) (Ryu)
    7) INFILTRATION (KOR) (Decapre, Ryu)
    7) Hamood(UAE) (Elena)
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    MASH 2:

    http://challonge.com/MASH2USF4

    Results: (all British)

    1. Brian (Sakura)
    2. Gunslinga (Guy, Rolento)
    3. Tyrant (Bison)
    4. Boltstrike (Gen)
    5. Infexious (Hugo)
    5. ChaosTIME_ (Bison)
    7. Dragonman (Honda)
    7. Zaus (Rose)
    9. Supersquaddy (Cammy, Chun)
    9. Lavellup (Deejay, Bison)
    9. Artifice (?)
    9. Ninja Shinryu (Ken)
  • tongPNTtongPNT Hulk Smash Joined: Posts: 15
    Tampa Never Sleeps: Melee in May

    I don't know what the qualifications to add tourneys are but this was the latest one we hosted.

    http://tampaneversleeps.com/tampa-never-sleeps-melee-in-may.html


    Street Fighter
    1. Liquid Nuckledu
    2. Tampa Bison
    3. Flash Metroid
    4. cE WA Psycho
    5. Flocker
    5. Brian F
    7. Fei Wrong
    7. J.Campos
    9 Jarbo
    9 CEO Jebailey
    9 RS Huggybear
    9 Carlos C

    Marvel
    1. Neokarsh
    2. Ricky Walker
    3. Flocker
    4. Asian Demon
    5 Dr Salt
    5 DapVip
    7 Prophete
    7 Ronan
    9. Tong
    9. Tayson
    9. RNS Beautiful Hair
    9 STVG Los
    13 Greenace
    13 KrazyGrundle
    13 Steek
    13 Oshimaiden
    Hulk/Sentinel/Haggar scrub from Florida. https://twitter.com/TongPNT
  • Packz93Packz93 Joined: Posts: 38
    edited June 2015
    Legacy Of Minds || Keep It Classy Vol.5 USF4 EGX Qualifier results:

    Top 8:

    1st) Packz (UK) (Cody)
    2nd) Flawless Deku (UK) (Fei Long/Rufus)
    3rd) BossDonKim/DekuDekuTree (UK) (Rufus/Cody)
    4th) Ninja Shakz (UK) (Abel)
    5th) RobZFR (UK) (Elena)
    5th) WiseBlade (UK) (El Fuerte)
    7th) VsM LOM J Miller (UK) (Rose)
    7th) UM Shin (UK) (Abel)

    Challonge brackets: http://challonge.com/KIC_USFIV_Vol5
    Post edited by Packz93 on
  • TLCJR4LIFETLCJR4LIFE Joined: Posts: 5
    What are the weights based on?

    Luffy having a skill weight of 9 while having 6k points makes no sense to me
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    Tampa Bison now goes by the handle of "Booker".
  • TLCJR4LIFETLCJR4LIFE Joined: Posts: 5
    Are events constantly being reclassified?
  • Packz93Packz93 Joined: Posts: 38
    Edited my previous post and updated with finished brackets.
  • goflotsamgoflotsam Kappa God Joined: Posts: 17
    edited July 2015
    Here is some information regarding sponsors.

    - Rico Suave, Infiltration, and fLoE are free agents.
    - Daigo, Tokido, Mago, and Zhi are the only 4 members of Mad Catz.
    - JRosa, Tom Brady, DragonGod are no longer with EMP.
    - Frequency has disbanded.
    - Ryan Hart = FA
    - ChrisG = Tempo
    - Valmaster = GL
    - Sanford Kelly, CD Jr., IFC Yipes = TSC
    - Xiao Hai, Dakou = Qanba
    - Itazan, Perfect Legend, RB = RZR
    - Hoodaman, LPN = pH
    - Pig of the Hut = YOMI
    - FourWude, Hamad = DL (DisplayLag; P.S., Hamad is a US player)
    - Leffen = TSM (yes, Leffen is in the rankings)
    - Dora = BE (Dora was an EVO 2014 BlazBlue finalist)

    That is all I can give you as of now.

    UPDATE: Filipino Champ and Insaynne are with Panda Gaming.
    Post edited by goflotsam on
  • Lindon Tang YukLindon Tang Yuk Joined: Posts: 19
    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/player/byname/Warchild

    My tag is Empr Warchild and I play Cassie. You have me under my real name also Lindon Tang Yuk. Can you join both of them and put it under Empr Warchild.
  • Vigilante 8Vigilante 8 All the way from Ryu de Janeiro. Joined: Posts: 22
    There are any plans to add GGXrd to the World Rankings?
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    edited July 2015
    ESPF Results: http://rsdseries.challonge.com/USF4TPCCT

    1. MoMi (Netherlands) (Yun, Fei Long)
    2. Gamein (Belgium) (Fei Long, Poison)
    3. Kenpachi (Belgium) (Evil Ryu)
    4. Fuhajin (Belgium) (Juri, Ryu)
    5. Emersion (Netherlands) (Vega)
    5. SLS (Netherlands)
    7. HLM (Belgium) (Ryu, Evil Ryu)
    7. CEVO (Belgium) (Rufus, Blanka, Yang)

    Hadocon VII:

    http://shoryuken.com/2015/07/04/hadocon-vii-streaming-live-from-burlingame-california/

    Results:

    1. Snake Eyez (Zangief)
    2. Julio (Yun)
    3. Kelvin Jeon (Rolento, Yun, Hugo)
    4. WTHamad (Fei Long)
    5. Tangent (Dee Jay)
    5. MC|XsK_Samurai (Evil Ryu)
    7. Tiger Shaan (Sagat)
    7. bjUNCHAINED (Cody)

    I'd also like to point out that CodyNp (Hong Kong player), has been listed multiple times under the names Codynip, codyp, Cody Ng and Cody - they should all be the same person.
    Post edited by tomakh on
  • ZeroIshtarZeroIshtar Joined: Posts: 5
    edited July 2015
    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/player/byname/Bagelobo is from the USA

    source:

    Also http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Taiwan Capcom Pro Tour - USF4 is listed as occurring in the United States, but I'm pretty sure it was in Taiwan (the source link states that it was in Taipei).
    Post edited by ZeroIshtar on
    USF4 - El Fuerte, Rolento ~ BBCP - Hakumen ~ CvS2 - C-Joe/Rugal/Sagat, Athena ~ ST - Cammy, Dhalsim ~ P4U2 - Junpei, Kanji ~ UMvC3 - Hulk/Taskmaster/Sentinel ~ KOF13 - Duo Lon/Mature/EX Iori ~ SC5 - Raphael ~ GGXX - Justice ~ Xrd - Venom ~ SFxT - Dudley/Ogre, Yoshimitsu/Ogre ~ TTT2 - Kunimitsu/Leo ~ SF3:3S - Hugo, Ken, Q ~ MvC2 - Sentinel/Cable/Commando ~ KoF98 - Ralf/Clark/O. Yashiro ~ JJBA - Hol Horse, Dio ~ Chaos Code - Kudlak-Sin ~ MotW - Freeman ~ SvC - Goenitz ~ VS - Q-Bee
  • ioRoSioRoS =BS=ioRoS=oR= Joined: Posts: 3
    TSD GX BS ioRoS / From Colombia / Main Fei Long
    http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/player/playerDetails?name=Ivan+Martinez
  • EraldoCoilEraldoCoil Hates Mexican food, is Mexican. Joined: Posts: 430
    Hi, can you please change my name in the rankings for MKX?

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/player/byname/Mr. America

    The tournament was for Hadocon VII on the 4th of July. I signed up as a gimmick name due to it being the 4th of July Holiday. Please Change my name to what I play as at every tournament "Eraldo Coil" I'm a Mileena player from Fresno.

    To confirm it's me I was also at EVO playing Mileena in Pool H37 Making it to losers finals losing to KH Royale twice.

    Thank you!
    (El Rado) I'm Mike G.
    Fresno's best 3S player
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited July 2015
    Why haven't these ranking battles been added?

    http://shoryuken.com/2015/07/25/topanga-ultra-street-fighter-iv-ranking-battle-2015-osaka-day-1-streaming-live/

    And these need to be worth a lot of points because of the players attending. Raphael gave a summary of one of the ranking battles (the one that Akimo one):

    83 Entries, single elimination, FT2 format.

    Twiggy, best Hawk in Japan, bodied Xian 2/0, finishing him with a perfect, after he bodied Aiai ;
    Momochi lost in the first stage to Tokido, Choco lost too at that stage ;
    Inco bodied Nemo ;
    Keiji N, second best DJ lost to Fuudo early in the tournament ;
    Kawaguchi bodied Reiketsu in the first match ;
    Yossan lost to Shiro in his first match ;

    Top 16 :
    Kazunoko lost to Fuudo ;
    Tokido lost to Nishikin ;
    Naruto lost to Kyabetsu ;
    Saihai lost to Akimo ;
    Twiggy lost to Torachi ;
    Kazunoko lost to Fuudo ;
    Inco lost to Kyoku ;
    Karisuma lost to Kawaguchi ;

    Full top 16:
    1. Akimo (Elena) – 12 points
    2. RZR|Fuudo (Fei Long) – 9 points
    3. NISHIKIN (Blanka) – 7 points
    3. Kyabetsu (C.Viper) – 7 points
    5. Kawaguchi (Rose) – 5 points
    5. Kyoku (Yang) – 5 points
    5. Gonzalez (Seth) – 5 points
    5. Torachi (Adon) – 5 points
    9. Karisuma (Adon) – 4 points
    9. Inco (Rufus) – 4 points
    9. Kazunoko (Yun) – 4 points
    9. Twiggy (T.Hawk) – 4 points
    9. Saihai (?) – 4 points
    9. Naruto (Ibuki) – 4 points
    9. Tokido (Gouki) – 4 points
    9. Karipo (Sakura) – 4 points

    So, we have a ranking battle of 83 players that consist of Tokido, Momochi, Kazunoko, Fuudo, NEMO, Xian and other well known top players.
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • VeseriusVeserius Hold Down Back Joined: Posts: 11,491
    because the ranking site is a joke
    Vuh-sair-ee-us or just Ves I guess | Twitter | Youtube  | Maj's Footsie Handbook  | My TMNT:TF Netplay Guide
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    Veserius wrote: »
    because the ranking site is a joke

    Thanks for the feedback.

    Processing all the comments made on the last two pages!
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    goflotsam wrote: »
    Here is some information regarding sponsors.

    - Rico Suave, Infiltration, and fLoE are free agents.
    - Daigo, Tokido, Mago, and Zhi are the only 4 members of Mad Catz.
    - JRosa, Tom Brady, DragonGod are no longer with EMP.
    - Frequency has disbanded.
    - Ryan Hart = FA
    - ChrisG = Tempo
    - Valmaster = GL
    - Sanford Kelly, CD Jr., IFC Yipes = TSC
    - Xiao Hai, Dakou = Qanba
    - Itazan, Perfect Legend, RB = RZR
    - Hoodaman, LPN = pH
    - Pig of the Hut = YOMI
    - FourWude, Hamad = DL (DisplayLag; P.S., Hamad is a US player)
    - Leffen = TSM (yes, Leffen is in the rankings)
    - Dora = BE (Dora was an EVO 2014 BlazBlue finalist)

    That is all I can give you as of now.

    UPDATE: Filipino Champ and Insaynne are with Panda Gaming.

    I still have a lot of work on teams, thanks
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    Im still having trouble understanding the point allocation for some of these tournaments...

    For example, these Topanga Ranking Battles...it is true that they are qualifiers for a larger tournament, however these qualifiers still contain extremely high level players (in fact, almost everyone in it is a high level player) and also contain a reasonable amount of players (atleast 50+).

    Just an example here but I'm pretty sure if you had a massive major of 500 midlevel players with some high level players sprinkled in, it would be worth a lot more points than a qualifier containing 100 players on the level of Daigo...is this accurate? I don't believe it should be.

    You gave a measly 100 total points to the Osaka qualifier, which contained well known, top level players: Fuudo, Momochi, Tokido, XIAN, Kazunoko, Nemo and lesser known top players such as Inco, Yossan, Kyabetsu, Kawaguuchi, Akimo, Shiro, Reiketsu...and even more interesting was that most of the well known popular top players like the ones mentioned in the first list (Nemo, Xian, Momochi, etc) got blown up early in the tournament.

    I think whether it is a qualifier or not, should be irrelevant. In the end, it is still a competition between the best players in the world, where the majority of the well known popular players that attended, actually lost early to the lesser known players. These are not your random Wednesday Night Fights ranking battles, these are the best players in the world.

    If the SRK rankings are to be taken seriously (and trust me - not many do take it seriously, as I've witnessed from discussions on here, Eventhubs and stream chats), then you need a more accurate evaluation process. Competitions between the highest level players, should not be worth so low, while you have tournaments like Kumite in Tennesse being worth way more and having a much much much smaller pool of good players. Just compare the top 16 of Kumite in Tennesse 2015, to the players I listed in the Osaka qualifier:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Kumite In Tenessee 15 - USF4

    Kumite in Tenesse(first place worth 280): Hamad, Wong, Ricky, ludovic, Perfect Legend, K-Brad, Cast Blanka, Joel, Chaotix, Ranmasama, Sanford Kelly, Outkreyd, Magnegro, Arturo Sabin, Nice1, BoomCube

    Topanga Osaka Qualifier(first place worth 100): (not listed in order, just listing SOME of the top players that attended) Momochi, Fuudo, Tokido, Xian, Kazunoko, Nemo, Inco, Yossan, Kyabetsu, Kawaguuchi, Akimo, Shiro, Reiketsu

    Something is very wrong with the evaluation.
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • ShineboxShinebox Joined: Posts: 2,689
    edited August 2015
    I gave up after the Nine States Tournament was valued at 480 points

    The first ranking battles had 4 evo champs in it (Daigo, Fuudo, Momochi, Xian)
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    I'll mention another thing that is off and biased about this ranking. Many tournaments are weighted based on the popularity within the North American scene. North America has many tournaments and they put a "major" label on them. Because of this, there are many Americans that are in the top 50 or top 100 just because they attend these tournaments. These tournaments are out of range of most players outside of the US (whether they are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Singaporean, Brazilian, etc).

    When you have a Japanese tournament for instance...they automatically get rated as low, unless it's Topanga League (possibly because it's more advertised due to the prize money). Even tournaments that might be considered majors, are pretty much worthless in ranking points. Look at the Starting Over tournament:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Starting Over - Best and Strongest - USF4

    Why is this worth 160 points for first place? This is basically a Japanese equivalent of a major in the US...is it because you've never heard of the tournament before? Is it because you don't know who the players are? Or that there are no Americans at the tournament? Or perhaps that it isn't a Capcom Pro Tour tournament? Lets look at the korean Double Elimination tournament:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Double Elimination CPT Asia Qualifier - USF4

    First place, 470 points. The playerlist looks pretty similar to that Osaka Topanga Qualifier...in fact, Osaka is more stacked than this one. But this one has the CPT label on it, so instantly gets more ranking points?

    International players that can only play within their own country's tournaments, can never really rise in ranking because their tournaments are almost never worth anything, even if the competition is filled with players such as Momochi, Tokido, Fuudo, Kazunoko, Nemo, etc. Whereas most of the top American players, attend their own American tournaments and rack up points just because their tournaments are given higher rankings by default, even if the competition is not as strong. Why is everyone else except America expected to travel to prove their skills?

    Like I said, there is something very off with the rankings. I think every competition, should be treated as a tournament if it has a reasonable amount of players and if most of those players are high level. Whether the tournament is a low budget qualifier for something much greater, taking place in someone's basement or in the woods with no one knowing, it shouldn't matter, if the players in attendance are ones such as Momochi, Tokido, Daigo, etc.
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    Yes, some tournaments are not ranked high enough. Sometimes because the players attending are not very known on an international scene, sometimes because it is not certain how open a tournament was.
    Eg the topanga ranking battles are currently classified not according to weight but as 'circuit', because there are so many of them and they happen to gather all JP top players, which would push away all big international tournaments, but they arent very open to internationatal competition at all as they are local qualifier events.

    It is tough to judge on that, but I agree that competition in those tournament is indeed extremely high
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    The main idea of this ranking is not to rank players according to their individual skill, but to how well they do when competing with others. It is not possible to compare anyone if they dont play anyone outside of their usual circle.
    Say that AiAi would beat anyone in JP, he should be nr1 as Daigo and Momochi are obviously the top. But it is not fair to rank him like that if he never played Pr Balrog, Luffy or Xian
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    Acku wrote: »
    Eg the topanga ranking battles are currently classified not according to weight but as 'circuit', because there are so many of them and they happen to gather all JP top players, which would push away all big international tournaments, but they arent very open to internationatal competition at all as they are local qualifier events.

    Well, Xian was there for one of the Topanga qualifiers, so they are definitely open to internationals. I think just like how those qualifiers are out of reach for most top American players (out of reach in terms of location), the American tournaments are also out of reach for many top non-American players.
    Acku wrote: »
    The main idea of this ranking is not to rank players according to their individual skill, but to how well they do when competing with others. It is not possible to compare anyone if they dont play anyone outside of their usual circle.
    Say that AiAi would beat anyone in JP, he should be nr1 as Daigo and Momochi are obviously the top. But it is not fair to rank him like that if he never played Pr Balrog, Luffy or Xian

    Right but this is true for so many of America's players too. Hamad for example, is ranked 49th in the world and he has almost zero experience against anyone outside of the US...I think he's only fought a few Japanese players (Daigo, Itabashi, Pepeday) and lost to all of them. There's Sanford who loses against practically ever international player, but again he is ranked very high. This is because American tournaments, particularly ones that don't even have any international competition, are rated much higher than they should be.

    Edit: And also, why does AiAi have to fight PR Rog, Luffy or Xian for his skills to be validated?
    Post edited by Emil on
    KoF98UM - EX Yama, Eiji, Orochi Yashiro | KoF2k2 - Kim, Whip, Athena, Choi |
    Kof13 - Saiki, Shen, Vice | P4U2 - Shadow Labrys, Rise | GGXrd - Bedman
  • VeseriusVeserius Hold Down Back Joined: Posts: 11,491
    So your goal isn't to rank players by how good they are, but by how well they do in competitions you've arbitrarily decided are more valuable?
    Vuh-sair-ee-us or just Ves I guess | Twitter | Youtube  | Maj's Footsie Handbook  | My TMNT:TF Netplay Guide
  • IglooBobIglooBob Bob the builder Joined: Posts: 4,039
    Seems like an elo system + keeping track of the results of every match in tournament would be a sound way to go if you wanted accuracy. Like if you think about your current system it's gonna be pretty hard/pretty much impossible to accurately weigh each tournament. It's going to be arbitrary even if you have some set of guiding principles.

    I know that's probably more work than anyone wants to do though. It would take more than one person updating for sure.
  • tomakhtomakh Joined: Posts: 14
    http://gameslines.challonge.com/armorbreak2

    Armour Break 2 Results: (all french)

    1. Gagapa (Bison)
    2. Starnab (Fei Long)
    3. Madjestik (Chun)
    4. Isoudw (Guile)
    5. Street Harder (Adon)
    5. Valmaster (Chun)
    7. Kx (Decapre)
    7. Lorddvd (Honda)
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    tomakh wrote: »
    http://gameslines.challonge.com/armorbreak2

    Armour Break 2 Results: (all french)

    1. Gagapa (Bison)
    2. Starnab (Fei Long)
    3. Madjestik (Chun)
    4. Isoudw (Guile)
    5. Street Harder (Adon)
    5. Valmaster (Chun)
    7. Kx (Decapre)
    7. Lorddvd (Honda)

    thx
  • AckuAcku Representing Rose Joined: Posts: 857
    edited August 2015
    IglooBob wrote: »
    Seems like an elo system + keeping track of the results of every match in tournament would be a sound way to go if you wanted accuracy. Like if you think about your current system it's gonna be pretty hard/pretty much impossible to accurately weigh each tournament. It's going to be arbitrary even if you have some set of guiding principles.

    I know that's probably more work than anyone wants to do though. It would take more than one person updating for sure.

    I agree. There are some people trying to do that, like maxoplata.net and Kyosuke SSF4 rank. They try to record individual matches. But this is so hard to get that there are two disadvantages:
    - only well-known and broadcasted majors are recorded (think Evo, CEO, Dreamhack, Topanga)
    - it is only recorded up to the matches that are known (often only top8)

    This makes that you get very detailed data but only about a very limited set of people. This could be the way forward, but it certainly was not the way back, where I wanted to compile data starting from 2009, in 2013. And yes, it involved a lot of work. Looking at how Kyosuke does, it means messaging people on Facebook and Twitter all the time to get their match results ands characters for off-stream matches. Given that some players don't care to reply, that is a shitty job.

    To be honest, this could be solved if we had a better tournament standard, like say Capcom Pro Tour is one. This could enforce TO's to report results in detail and would make the ecosystem a lot better.

    Currently, it is done by tournament ranking. There are a few ways toi cross-check validity of that result.
    - Compare to CPT: http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/cpt (sort by srk rank)
    - Compare to EVO: http://evo2015.j.layershift.co.uk/watch/index?game=SF4 (check who got where, you expect most in SEMIS or late Quarters)

    and verifying if players rank according to their assigned weight, when it is often not I re-evaluate weight. There is also a tool that checks if weight is appropriate according to overall rank, although exceptions are allowed for those that dont plat often. Eg Sako/Eita has higher weight than rank would suggest
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited August 2015
    You mentioned before that weight is used in deciding the value of an event, but I don't see that to be the case with a number of these tournaments, such as the Topanga qualifiers.

    A potential problem I see with the weight system (assuming that it's supposed to work by weighing the events based on the weight of the players) is that players that don't play as often)or just aren't as well known) will have lower weight and so if many of these low weight players attend a tournament (such as a japanese one for instance), the tournament will be weighted low because the players have low weight...and so they'll never really rise unless they happen to beat Momochi or someone like that.

    If someone is a great player but loses almost all the time to high weight players like Momochi, Tokido, Kazunoko, etc but beats or goes even with other strong players that also have low weight (for the reasons explained above), how can those players really increase in weight without doing something unreasonable (like winning a big tournament)?

    Edit: on a seperate note, just noticed something wrong with the ratings of this tournament:

    http://rank.shoryuken.com/rankings/tournament/byname/Mix Up Night 25 - UMVC3

    I think it's incomplete.
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    goflotsam wrote: »
    @Acku Will there ever be a rankings chart for Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN-?

    Can't wait for some american to be #1
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  • IglooBobIglooBob Bob the builder Joined: Posts: 4,039
    Yeah that's what I was thinking too - a player ranking system only works really well if there's an established central organization for TOs to report to, and an understanding that you should send your tourney results to there. It's funny - I've played in one chess tournament in my life (I was 10, thought I was Bobby Fischer, lost every game to people who were around 40-60, cried, and retired on the spot) but I still have an entry on some chess website where it lists what tournament I played in and the results of my games.

    If the FGC had something similar to that it would be cool. I think it would be pretty motivating for certain kinds of players too. If there's a feeling in the community that a players Elo rating accurately describes his strength, people would be much more interested in player rankings and improving themselves.
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