Kuroda Interview by Shueisha's Weekly Playboy Magazine

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  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited June 2014
    ryan. wrote: »
    gameinn2 wrote: »
    Yeah I can't tell if it's the matchup vs Makoto or that the regular players of Japan have caught up to Kuroda. I'd definitely like to see a new FT10 that most people generally agree is 5-5 before I come to any rash conclusions.

    You can clearly see from the matches that the things Kuroda does are inhuman. The matchup is difficult and tominaga is no slouch. The way tominaga plays is very janken (rps) and played keep away.

    No ones caught up to him lol

    How is it clear besides that he's winning? I see him doing well timed things that could exist if you just studied your opponents reasoning. Do you know if any of the top players have things like applications to help them figure these kinds of things out? I know Kuroda says he studies frame data a lot, or did, maybe you've heard s
    gameinn2 wrote: »
    Dander wrote: »
    Kuroda doesn't play the nerve game. That was what made him my favorite player from the start. He doesn't throw you off your game, he's just really good at his.

    I have to disagree. The impression I always got that he is mostly always playing the nerve and mind games with his opponent. He'll sit most of the match in the corner holding down back. To me that's like saying "I'm just gonna sit in the corner and no matter what you pull, I'm gonna get you for it. You may as well walk away".

    That is not a nerve game. A nerve game is forcing your opponent to lose focus of the match and keeping them there, out of the match. I agree that Kuroda is full blown mind game and once again I'll explain that that is one of the reasons I enjoy his play. Kuroda will not tick grab you 7 times for a win. That is playing the nerve game. Kuroda will not go for the easy win. That is playing the nerve game. Maybe I've mislabelled it but I know for a fact that he doesn't do it.

    Like to call the nerve game you seem to be alluding to anything more than outplaying your opponent would be a huge disservice to the community and I will argue those words out of your mouth or until you stop. The reason I say this is because to say that you outplayed your opponent by threatening to use your posse against him if he didn't lose, kinda like those knife pulling/gang calling delinquents do when you beat them at 3s or sf, then you didn't really play a mind game. You were just being a fucking prick that understands the body has nerves that connect to the mind and we are playing a game. hur hur hur dur. <-- these were not aimed at you. I just hate punks that use language to create problems for them to feed off of.

    Kuroda will not force his opponent into making the same decisions in every match. That would be playing the nerve game. He does not do this. He is probably among the more "docile" of the bunch in regards to how human interaction takes place. I respect him so much for that.

    Kuroda is among if not atop the best at this game but no one really ever hears about him. You only ever heard about Tokido, Nuki, Momochi ( now ) and Kokujin. Without bringing to mind the other great players that only got big with sf4 who else do you hear people speaking of as true influences in the way 3s is played outside of Japan? I have yet to see another player try to emulate Kuroda's style. Why? Because it's so challenging.
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  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited June 2014
    TiredOcean wrote: »
    re: Kuroda playing the nerve game. IIRC Deemo once complained that Kuroda's gameplay (in reference to his Akuma DVD) was basically him red parrying everything into full punish. In that sense Kuroda doesn't take risks, his opponents do (at least in 3S).
    Of course that one DVD might not be representative of his playstyle but whatever.

    I think this is how he doshes tribute to his opponents and the game's integrity. By keeping those red parries in place, he is both removing the masked element of his ability ( that part of a player that we refer to as playing the opponent and not the match up ) and at the same time being true to himself in his abilities despite rankings and the politics that rankings and leaderboards invite. At least among the uninformed. He doesn't seem rich like KSK or KO and he doesn't seem like he went to school for a long time like some of the other players ( I forget who but I know there are some developers among the Japanese elite ). Kuroda is latent talent in practice without planning out courses of attack based on answers in the manner of assassins. Kuroda improves on HIMSELF wholly and then goes out there, like a warrior, instead of looking for ways to weaken his opponents. Those red parries are as close to the other player's side as he's going to get, and that is why I respect him so fucking much.

    Though, if you're on the other end of things and calling what Kuroda does with red parries "getting on the opponent's nerves" then you've got the language all wrong. From a completely UNnarcissistic point of view the nerve game specifies that your target be somewhere else outside of the game but still within the game. One way that Justin Wong STILL plays the nerve game is that he still has that "thing" called the Wong Factor. For some reason, games just break around him and you can't deny that it happens at just the right time for him. That is not to say that he rigs anything or that he has some kind of control over the machines, I think he just pays so much more attention than other people and from humble beginnings or at least a humbled stand point. The Wong factor, the phenomenon that invites causality in it's less linear form, this is what I used to call losing the Name rather than the game and I think it was the main reason for why Pyro and Yi were the players I wanted to beat. If I was able to stand on even ground with them, I would be able to overcome the idea that I need to beat everyone up to them in order to be able to contend with them. I simply don't believe that. This isn't a megaman game where you need to beat the bosses in the right order if you want to pass the game and move on to the next one. In this game, the opponent learns what you do too and changes his play style accordingly so you aren't just trying to sweep through, unless of course the only time you actually participate is during tournaments. heh.
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  • WTF-AKUMA-HAXWTF-AKUMA-HAX DBGT non canon > maxxvatar OVA Joined: Posts: 17,937
    WTF is up with the Hanzo's player's name there?
    Sadaharu Oh > Barry Bonds > Eff aGee

    (SRK has some filters for words now, even shit that's not a word, look: " I love My Little Pony so much it hurts " Maybe JP can tell us more)

    Just tacking on that last guy at the end here, not a real answer for you, ask fran

    - ya I know you already did - could be a captioned later thing, or his real handle nickname, no idea

    but I did not talk about Barry Bonds interviews asked about Oh, right after breaking the record (already pissed at all the other questions but I'll never forget what he said, as short as it was) and tracked down what Oh had to say about Bonds. Man, it was drastic-ly different. But un-surprising that nobody wanted to document any Barry Bond interviews to maybe even find that again, just let him fade to the sands of time.

    kind of a shit talk, worlds apart, East vs West mentality thing. Couldn't put it all together or the ideas passed us by, lost chance, don't really need to now. but maybe if it comes up again on who's good, different eras, best player here-best player there, man you don't even know, respect & etc. It wouldn't be 100% positive towards JP people either though, looking up stuff about Oh was enlightening/sad. But that's already a well known thing, and old wounds from old people doing that, not saying Bonds or not accepting Oh from being Chinese descent too, are wrong (this other thing was, w/ his wife's grave), but like we can all learn from eachother, melting pot stuff, they probably still call Americans Yan-kees, cowboy music in commercials for American stuff. lol

    Stop complaining Deemo :nono:
    1999 = "A Game with Parries isn't Street Fighter"
    2016 = "Releasing a Complete Game isn't Street Fighter"
    You wouldn't even understand if I told you.
    People will forget what you said.
    People will forget what you did.
    But, people will never forget how you made them feel.

  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited June 2014
    gameinn2 wrote: »
    Dander wrote: »
    Kuroda doesn't play the nerve game. That was what made him my favorite player from the start. He doesn't throw you off your game, he's just really good at his.

    I have to disagree. The impression I always got that he is mostly always playing the nerve and mind games with his opponent. He'll sit most of the match in the corner holding down back. To me that's like saying "I'm just gonna sit in the corner and no matter what you pull, I'm gonna get you for it. You may as well walk away".

    Also, I have to ask, do you really believe Kuroda is that arrogant? I mean, here he is sharing with you stories of how he used to go to the arcade only when there weren't ruffians and that the only reason he even got to go to the arcade was because it made it easier for his mom and him when she got out of work. I'm sure he would do it to walk her home so she wouldn't be alone.

    That doesn't strike me as a personality that would readily sit in the corner contemplating how he's going to get this next win. Instead I think that's more of a person that isn't entirely decided on who you are and what you are capable of so he decides to observe you and uses what he knows about the game to approach you. If you are wild and irreprehensible he will wait from a safe distance and get you to stop from there instead of going for one knockdown and fifty meaties to tick grab.

    In the same way that 1 million views will not grant your business venture success, neither will unlimited funding make it impossible to fail. Beating a scrub will do nothing more than lower the standard of competition for you or make you an arrogant asshole. Kuroda is not an arrogant asshole. He is not arrogant and from what I've heard of him and seen of him he is not an asshole. I'm guessing a lot of the taunting at sbo was either a) for the crowd or b) in response to shit talk from the other teams outside of the tournament...maybe even c) in response to their arrogance.
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  • DiegoBoyDiegoBoy Joined: Posts: 175
    Dander wrote: »
    gameinn2 wrote: »
    Dander wrote: »
    Kuroda doesn't play the nerve game. That was what made him my favorite player from the start. He doesn't throw you off your game, he's just really good at his.

    He is not arrogant and from what I've heard of him and seen of him he is not an asshole. I'm guessing a lot of the taunting at sbo was either a) for the crowd or b) in response to shit talk from the other teams outside of the tournament...maybe even c) in response to their arrogance.


    Why does he always carry unlabeled bags of water? I think that's the real question...
  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    Where did you hear this or read this?
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  • ryan.ryan. Joined: Posts: 1,918
    Who gives a fuck what he carries or how he dresses or whatever. Fanboys are weird.
  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    ryan. wrote: »
    Who gives a fuck what he carries or how he dresses or whatever. Fanboys are weird.

    What are you wearing, Ryan?
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  • crystalknightcrystalknight Joined: Posts: 110
    nice shirt, hoes gunna love it and these bustas gunna hate it
    it's me
  • DiegoBoyDiegoBoy Joined: Posts: 175
    ryan. wrote: »
    Fanboys are weird.

    I want you to tongue my bung, while you juggle my balls in one hand, and play with my asshole with the other, but don't stick you're finger in. Then I want to pinky you while I stick in your fuckin' friend's brown, while Kuroda watches, and fuckin' spanks it in a Dixie cup. After that, I want to smell your titties for a while, and you can pull my nutsack up over my dick so it looks like a bullfrog. Then I want you to fuckin' flick my nuts while your friend spanks me off in the same Dixie cup that Kuroda jizzed in.

  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    DiegoBoy wrote: »
    ryan. wrote: »
    Fanboys are weird.

    I want you to tongue my bung, while you juggle my balls in one hand, and play with my asshole with the other, but don't stick you're finger in. Then I want to pinky you while I stick in your fuckin' friend's brown, while Kuroda watches, and fuckin' spanks it in a Dixie cup. After that, I want to smell your titties for a while, and you can pull my nutsack up over my dick so it looks like a bullfrog. Then I want you to fuckin' flick my nuts while your friend spanks me off in the same Dixie cup that Kuroda jizzed in.

    hBBROXA.gif

    Let's keep it wholesome, guys. Shall we?
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  • NAPNAP Joined: Posts: 1,812
    Weekly Playboy News is the best name of a magazine ever.
  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,702
    don't you ever post a jermiah johnson pic.
    unless you have skinned a bear you put that gif away right now.
    Play more.
  • ryan.ryan. Joined: Posts: 1,918
    edited June 2014
    I think if the gachi was 2/3 rounds instead Kuroda might have won.





    Diego boy wtf is wrong with you. Freak

  • Mitri MFMitri MF Joined: Posts: 433
    NAP wrote: »
    Weekly Playboy News is the best name of a magazine ever.
    And their url-icon is neat too.
  • TiredOceanTiredOcean Low-tier theory fighter Joined: Posts: 134
    *favicon
    You know what else is neat? This. (Not safe for anyone)

    This guy is on a bunch of vids on Weekly Playboy's channel.
  • SupremoSupremo Joined: Posts: 57 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Damn, Kuroda story is amazing, if it's true.
  • gameinn2gameinn2 Joined: Posts: 99
    edited June 2014
    Dander wrote: »
    Also, I have to ask, do you really believe Kuroda is that arrogant?

    Who knows. You gotta think it is sort of suspicious though that he challenges the top Makoto player with his Q. To give the benefit of the doubt we'll say the match is a 7-3. You'd have to be... suicidial (pardon the pun) to think you can win a FT10 with a 7-3 matchup (let alone 8-2 which most people will agree on). If not suicidal... dare I say it arrogant to think you can overturn that match up. Hopefully he chooses a 5-5 or even a 6-4 match if he does another FT10 to get rid of any suspicion.
  • pheraipherai LIVE FOREVER Joined: Posts: 11,885 mod
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    good point!
    pherai gouki dated gwen stefani in HighSchool. Thats why today she likes all things Japan. smokin.gif
  • HelloWorldHelloWorld Joined: Posts: 23
    gameinn2 wrote: »
    Who knows. You gotta think it is sort of suspicious though that he challenges the top Makoto player with his Q. To give the benefit of the doubt we'll say the match is a 7-3. You'd have to be... suicidial (pardon the pun) to think you can win a FT10 with a 7-3 matchup (let alone 8-2 which most people will agree on). If not suicidal... dare I say it arrogant to think you can overturn that match up. Hopefully he chooses a 5-5 or even a 6-4 match if he does another FT10 to get rid of any suspicion.

    Nobody's going to argue that the matchup is difficult, but regardless of what anyone thinks the numbers are I don't think Kuroda would have gone into a FT10 like that if he thought it would be a blowout or if he thought he couldn't win. And the result of the match speaks for itself (last game, last round, last exchange); it was as close as it could have possibly been, a good display of 3s just as intended.

    I'm more inclined to believe that Kuroda can judge well enough what character would put up a fight. I mean, if he had gotten absolutely wrecked by Tominaga, then maybe you could make a case of him being arrogant, overconfidently/disrespectfully thinking he could win at such a disadvantage. Instead, his character choice generated a contest that went down to the wire.
    Of course he must have at least something of an ego. He's arguably the best 3s player in the world, good enough to pick Q and compete in a long set with one of the best Makotos, and in all likelihood he knows it. But does that make Kuroda arrogant?
  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,702
    ryan. wrote: »
    First of all matchup charts are just a theory about two players who are the exact same skill (impossible btw).

    exactly. everyone seems to somehow forget this.
    the entire concept is based on an impossibility lol. which is why its a stupid exercise to assign any kind of specific value.
    Play more.
  • gameinn2gameinn2 Joined: Posts: 99
    Well Kuroda just lost 10-0 at USF4 in Yun vs Hakan so there can be no argument if he is arrogant now. It's good to know he isn't!
  • gameinn2gameinn2 Joined: Posts: 99
    Made TM look helpless. That was quite a show.
  • NAPNAP Joined: Posts: 1,812
    I hope he does one of those with his Ryu some time. From the little I've seen of it, he has a pretty sick Ryu.
  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    I want to have a beer with Kuroda and tell him all about how shitty my life is. Maybe it will make him feel better. Maybe he could give me some bold advice and I could take that lesson to heart. I would show him pictures of my son and ask him to autograph some toys for me to give my son when he is older. I would let him know that I am going to be putting my son to sleep to the sounds of his DVD series. Then I'd spark up a cigar for him and let him do all the talking.
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  • Mitri MFMitri MF Joined: Posts: 433
    Maybe Ogawa is not a likeable person, cause the combo stealing reason alone is a bit silly.
  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,702
    it's known as the 'kuroda combo'
    he left his mark regardless.

    thanks fran.
    Play more.
  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    edited July 2014
    Kuroda the man.

    What a guy. It's funny that what he didn't like was that people were giving ogawa credit for a combo he, kuroda, came up with. I think it's funny because....nevermind.

    Kuroda is a boss.

    Also, I feel it's interesting to note that Kuroda was able to reach such a high level of play by NOT relying on the internet to learn. I think much of my resentment for training mode styled play is that all training mode styled play almost directly mimics the organization of data you'll find on the most popular site to do with the game. You literally lose all personality.

    It's like, how can you tell he works out?
    He has big muscles.
    Oh okay.

    Versus

    How can you tell he works out?
    Because his shirt is too small.
    Oh okay. wut.
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  • AlexisdabombAlexisdabomb Joined: Posts: 2,528
    edited August 2014
    I'm watching the first Alex/Dud vid. Kuroda's Parries are insane. But he got away with a lot of jHP and st.HP on that Dud's wakeup. I'm not familiar with the Dud player so I dunno if the skill level is even or not but Kuroda did pretty much everything right against Dud.
    "I wish someone would flex in front of the camera and say I'm awesome....

    ;_; "

    Dander.
  • Ryu24Ryu24 Retired 3S Titan Joined: Posts: 1,423
    More Denjin!!
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