USF4 Tier List Thread (updated October 2015)

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  • EternalEternal unpleasable perfectionist Joined: Posts: 12,446
    edited June 2014
    EmblemLord wrote: »
    Yo, wtf can someone reassure me that im not fucking insane for boycotting this shit? I mean that little dick thirsty slut Ibuki can STILL do w/e the fuck she wants to Sagat during any part of the match.

    You're insane if you're "boycotting" buying Ultra because of balance changes you don't agree with. Now if you are simply "not buying / playing the game because you have no interest in it and believe you wouldn't find it enjoyable" that is different from a boycott.

    Save your "boycott" for game companies that actually deserve it. Like ones that show underhanded business practices, poor work environments, and intentional douchebaggery on a large scale. Like EA or Activision or more recently "King" (makers of Candy crush who tried to trade mark "Candy")
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  • OilforthewinOilforthewin BETTER RED THAN DEAD. Joined: Posts: 1,847
    edited June 2014
    EmblemLord wrote: »

    Yo, wtf can someone reassure me that im not fucking insane for boycotting this shit? I mean that little dick thirsty slut Ibuki can STILL do w/e the fuck she wants to Sagat during any part of the match.
    There is still Edition Select. I mean, Sagat needs only 2 bars, then his opponents can´t fuck up his face anymore. Also what´s the problem, if Sagat has a bad matchup btw? Ibuki has also great footsies btw.
    EmblemLord wrote: »
    I'm confused as hell because I do not understand Capcoms thought process.
    If you talk about Sagat, well then you should look at the JP Arcade Rankings and also think about the game mechanics of USF4.
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  • EmblemLordEmblemLord Lord of all Lords Joined: Posts: 5,805
    edited June 2014
    Capcom DOES have shady business practices and yeah clearly I'm not getting it because i wouldnt find it enjoyable. If you think im upset because Sagat has a bad match then you arent paying attention to the context in which im talking about it.

    None of his bad matches from AE are noticably better. Fei and Gouki are better but they still win. Juri and Dudley who were his hard counters, are now super saiyans. He has the same disadvantage matches and gained more. Am I supposed to be elated about this update.

    What does the JPN arcade game have to do with a diff game on console release. The only correlation I can think of is Sagat being good in that game, so Capcom using that to justify nerfs in the console update.

    Then you look at Dudley and that logic falls flat.

    BTW Combofiend wrote a e-mail response to a Sagat player, basicaloy admitting that Capcom did miss the mark with Sagat.

    Make of that what you will.
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  • ThirtyfourThirtyfour Wait Joined: Posts: 3,807
    All these Sagat players complaint about Dudley in this thread. Why complain about a (rumored by) Bonchan 3-7 match up getting worse? Stick to version eslect tournaments or pick up an alt that beats Dudley convincingly.

    Dudleys top 15 in high tier. He's good but you have to learn his matchups, and that's always what keeps a charcter from being top tier(in America).


    Why can Fei Long link into close fierce from crouch short, and why is his crouch strong +25 on block?
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 58,866 mod
    EmblemLord wrote: »
    Capcom DOES have shady business practices and yeah clearly I'm not getting it because i wouldnt find it enjoyable. If you think im upset because Sagat has a bad match then you arent paying attention to the context in which im talking about it.

    None of his bad matches from AE are noticably better. Fei and Gouki are better but they still win. Juri and Dudley who were his hard counters, are now super saiyans. He has the same disadvantage matches and gained more. Am I supposed to be elated about this update.

    What does the JPN arcade game have to do with a diff game on console release. The only correlation I can think of is Sagat being good in that game, so Capcom using that to justify nerfs in the console update.

    Then you look at Dudley and that logic falls flat.

    BTW Combofiend wrote a e-mail response to a Sagat player, basicaloy admitting that Capcom did miss the mark with Sagat.

    Make of that what you will.

    There's like 40 characters now. Capcom don't got time for that. Time to pick up a good character like T.Hawk.

    Surprised you're still even playing this game after all of this time. I took a long break after Marvel came out, but it seems people still love this shit so much so I guess I'll find a character and get back in just to stay practiced in it.

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  • Killer_JigglypuffKiller_Jigglypuff Trying really hard Joined: Posts: 7,905
    feroce82 wrote: »
    People still underestimate Makoto, well well :D

    They have been for years, why stop now?
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  • jebopjebop Joined: Posts: 6,890
    Seth useless, yet Poongko still seems to wreck faces. STAY FREE SETH PLAYERS! Kappa
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  • unwndunwnd Joined: Posts: 452
    Connections really seem worse than 2012, i'm only joining green bar lobbies but there's noticeable delay :/ also someone tell me i'm not going crazy because the game definitely feels slightly different to 2012 to me, kinda like how vanilla > super felt different.
  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Does not like SJWs or the alt right Joined: Posts: 5,989
    Yeah the netcode is clearly worse than its ever been. I struggle at getting basic moves out all of a sudden. I can't even throw kikoken half the time.
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  • jebopjebop Joined: Posts: 6,890
    I still don't have a copy of this game, I don't think I want to either. I've seen the lag. I hated AE2012 and that wasn't even that bad...
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  • TeriosTerios Where do you want me to break you first? Joined: Posts: 1,675
    Yeah the netcode is clearly worse than its ever been. I struggle at getting basic moves out all of a sudden. I can't even throw kikoken half the time.

    I thought this was mostly just me. I'll land jumpins and just not have my followups come out, hit focus and just stand around and try to dash out of focus and just let it rip. :C
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    I'm not having any problems with green connections, even most of the yellow for that matter...
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  • Killer_JigglypuffKiller_Jigglypuff Trying really hard Joined: Posts: 7,905
    I am feeling really weird with the new netcode. I hit normal links way better now, but struggle with getting things post Karakusa, especially Ultra. It's baffling.
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  • AniMoneyAniMoney CFN ID: Airman Joined: Posts: 970
    Most of my matches have been smooth actually, but I do have pretty fast internet. The few matches I do have lag in, I see the reconnecting window every few seconds which is awful and has cost me games. I think the matches I get lag in are due to NAT issues or distance related, but I'm just guessing.
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  • LoyalSolLoyalSol Drunken Akuma Joined: Posts: 6,905
    Akuma Yun sucks really bad in this version. I might be getting ready to call it 7-3
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  • cerberusfxcerberusfx Timekeeper Joined: Posts: 2,351
    edited June 2014
    - sees tier list thread
    - thought it was general thread
    - moves away
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  • AlexTheKingAlexTheKing Joined: Posts: 1,144
    jebop wrote: »
    Seth useless, yet Poongko still seems to wreck faces. STAY FREE SETH PLAYERS! Kappa

    I said that before I even started playing with Seth in Ultra, now I think he's still pretty good. You're right, here Poongko is beating one of the best Yun player in Japan. I don't know about his placement in the tier list, but he does a lot more damage, he's one of the least affected by DWU and a lot of other characters got worse. Who knows, he may be high tier in this version.

  • jebopjebop Joined: Posts: 6,890
    edited June 2014
    jebop wrote: »
    Seth useless, yet Poongko still seems to wreck faces. STAY FREE SETH PLAYERS! Kappa

    I said that before I even started playing with Seth in Ultra, now I think he's still pretty good. You're right, here Poongko is beating one of the best Yun player in Japan. I don't know about his placement in the tier list, but he does a lot more damage, he's one of the least affected by DWU and a lot of other characters got worse. Who knows, he may be high tier in this version.


    Ibuki, Cammy, Seth (and Yun players before the EXRFC info) acting like they have 0 options after someone does a DWU. Seth's DP was derpy. Maybe he will be top 15. The other 3 will be top 10 imo. The only Vortex character I haven't seen too much of is Akuma. I saw one wreck a bunch of people on stream, but it was clear his skill level was much higher than theirs.

    A lot of people are talking about the netcode in here, shut the hell up you lady boys.
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  • k4polok4polo Your Lethal Assassin Joined: Posts: 4,726
    jebop wrote: »
    Seth useless, yet Poongko still seems to wreck faces. STAY FREE SETH PLAYERS! Kappa

    I said that before I even started playing with Seth in Ultra, now I think he's still pretty good. You're right, here Poongko is beating one of the best Yun player in Japan. I don't know about his placement in the tier list, but he does a lot more damage, he's one of the least affected by DWU and a lot of other characters got worse. Who knows, he may be high tier in this version.


    Yes, with all the nerfs he seems like a mid tier pick ATM now. But seeing how the rest of the game plays out, he might end of high so I agree. He still is a character with alot of tools that other characters don't have.
    His mix-ups are still very scary. People are real bent out of shape with the nerfs tho. Some call him bottom 5.
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 37,301 mod
    edited June 2014
    Gief probably beats Decapre (serious 7-3 vibes coming, tbh)
    IMO, Decapre has trouble with grapplers since most of her options out of scramble are unsafe. Her main option in these matchups seems to be going for cr.mk - lp hands pressure since she can't be SPDed on block using that string.
  • AkuliousAkulious Grappler Joined: Posts: 27
    edited June 2014
    d3v wrote: »
    Gief probably beats Decapre (serious 7-3 vibes coming, tbh)
    IMO, Decapre has trouble with grapplers since most of her options out of scramble are unsafe. Her main option in these matchups seems to be going for cr.mk - lp hands pressure since she can't be SPDed on block using that string.

    Just tested this in the lab. It is punishable with LP SPD. Not even karaing it. I tried it at the max distance. Still punishable. LP hands leaves here too close.

    *EDIT*
    Seems MP SPD also works just as easily.
    HP SPD does work but needs to be kara'd.

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  • TeriosTerios Where do you want me to break you first? Joined: Posts: 1,675
    The timing for Gief to beat ex pinwheel with ex gh is way more lenient than the opposite.
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  • jebopjebop Joined: Posts: 6,890
    edited June 2014
    Nope. Your post seems spot on for most of it. Especially Ken. I haven't tried Decapre but I'm assuming she would from what I've seen. I'll be testing it out too if I get to play tomorrow. I know a lot of Gief mains, and she is on my list of characters I might pick up.

    Blanka shouldn't use his balls tbh. He can keep out Gief, kinda like Bison using his cr.mp, St. mp, St.hp and cr. HP.
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  • cerberusfxcerberusfx Timekeeper Joined: Posts: 2,351
    edited June 2014
    Rose I need to play the matchup more, but it feels like she beats Gief now. Early impression though.

    I feel Rose beats Gief ever since she got her Soul Piede back :/
    but in usf4 I feel its 5-5
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  • Cheech WizardCheech Wizard Joined: Posts: 3,601
    Ive been having a bit of trouble vs Gief as Rose. Mainly because I'm not used to that new whiff lp greenhand>command throw gimmick. I've just been throwing him on reaction after that lp greenhand recently and it seems to be working out but it took me quite a few matches to get that reaction to it.

    I've recently found that you can get some great fireball traps going vs gief when you start using st.hp (that long scarf) as an anti air. Also I think Ultra 1 may be good vs Gief. Orbs is great also so double ultra might be the go to in that match.
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  • VersatileBJN007VersatileBJN007 Joined: Posts: 1,202
    edited June 2014
    Y'all trolling saying oni is worse than deejay now or nah?

    He got quiet a few buffs that help make him a more well rounded character in exchange for less health and damage.
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  • NooctaNoocta Didja see that ? Joined: Posts: 2,418
    Ive been having a bit of trouble vs Gief as Rose. Mainly because I'm not used to that new whiff lp greenhand>command throw gimmick. I've just been throwing him on reaction after that lp greenhand recently and it seems to be working out but it took me quite a few matches to get that reaction to it.

    I've recently found that you can get some great fireball traps going vs gief when you start using st.hp (that long scarf) as an anti air. Also I think Ultra 1 may be good vs Gief. Orbs is great also so double ultra might be the go to in that match.

    He's only -2 after that thing on hit, so be careful of backdash > LP SPD to beat those throw/
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  • HoudanHoudan wakeup red focus Joined: Posts: 7
    ibuki and c. viper seem good. real good. does viper have an achilles heel in this version at all? turtles?
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    Her only achilles heel is that she only burn kicks with 1 of them.
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 37,301 mod
    edited June 2014
    Akulious wrote: »
    d3v wrote: »
    Gief probably beats Decapre (serious 7-3 vibes coming, tbh)
    IMO, Decapre has trouble with grapplers since most of her options out of scramble are unsafe. Her main option in these matchups seems to be going for cr.mk - lp hands pressure since she can't be SPDed on block using that string.

    Just tested this in the lab. It is punishable with LP SPD. Not even karaing it. I tried it at the max distance. Still punishable. LP hands leaves here too close.

    *EDIT*
    Seems MP SPD also works just as easily.
    HP SPD does work but needs to be kara'd.
    Are you doing it from max range cr.mk distance? Because we already know that raw hands is unsafe. What we're specifically talking about is cr.mk~lp. hands which our own testing has shown to be safe from SPDs and DPs.
  • MateriaMateria Joined: Posts: 119
    Max range c.mk into LP hands can't be SPD'd/DP but stuff like Chun's super can punish it
  • EternalEternal unpleasable perfectionist Joined: Posts: 12,446
    Chun's super literally can punish anything. It is also the only thing in AE2012 that can punish Cammy doing a DP FADC Backdash midscreen.
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    I <3 Chun's super
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  • robotic elfrobotic elf like in the stories Joined: Posts: 850
    edited June 2014
    Eternal wrote: »
    Chun's super literally can punish anything. It is also the only thing in AE2012 that can punish Cammy doing a DP FADC Backdash midscreen.

    It punishes lk scissors now :D
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  • cerberusfxcerberusfx Timekeeper Joined: Posts: 2,351
    Materia wrote: »
    Max range c.mk into LP hands can't be SPD'd/DP but stuff like Chun's super can punish it

    Probably because of the throwable hurtbox not being close enough to the grab hitbox of the opponent?

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