USF4 Tier List Thread (updated October 2015)

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  • ShineboxShinebox Joined: Posts: 2,689
    I don't think Ken goes even with the same characters he did in AE2012. He definitely loses to Chun Li now.

    Akuma is not as bad and is likely 5-5 now. Same thing with Zangief.
  • robotic elfrobotic elf like in the stories Joined: Posts: 850
    edited June 2014
    Shinebox wrote: »
    I don't think Ken goes even with the same characters he did in AE2012. He definitely loses to Chun Li now.

    Akuma is not as bad and is likely 5-5 now. Same thing with Zangief.

    Could you elaborate?

    I was thinking that would happen, Ken's 2012 air Ex Tatsu was a fucking pain in the arse for Chun, it isn't often one move makes that big a difference, but god that was hard to deal with.

    However, I haven't actually played the match yet, so I'm not sure what else is going on in the matchup.
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  • AniMoneyAniMoney CFN ID: Airman Joined: Posts: 970
    I hate Hugo in this game, his matchups are so lopsided, it feels like I either get a free win or free loss when I fight against him depending on what character I'm using.
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  • IckyTheIcicicleIckyTheIcicicle Joined: Posts: 24
    I think Hugo will have some near unwinnable matchups, but he's not the worst character in the game.

    Dhalsim, Dan, Deejay gonna fight for those honors

    As someone who mains Deejay, I have to agree, since the update he's regressed to the bottom 3 or 4. While regarded as a middle-to-low-tier character on AE, I actually thought he was top 10. A lot of people don't understand the character. I don't think Dhalsim is as bad as people think.


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  • ProfProf Fresh Joined: Posts: 2,029
    A lot of people just don't understand the character guys.
  • ShineboxShinebox Joined: Posts: 2,689
    edited June 2014
    Shinebox wrote: »
    I don't think Ken goes even with the same characters he did in AE2012. He definitely loses to Chun Li now.

    Akuma is not as bad and is likely 5-5 now. Same thing with Zangief.

    Could you elaborate?

    I was thinking that would happen, Ken's 2012 air Ex Tatsu was a fucking pain in the arse for Chun, it isn't often one move makes that big a difference, but god that was hard to deal with.

    However, I haven't actually played the match yet, so I'm not sure what else is going on in the matchup.

    1) She got back her backflip anti air (in AE2012 her anti airs where not the best) she can actually beat his EX Air tatsu with it
    2) Ken cannot take advantage of her wake up as easily because of delayed wake up
    3) Her EX fireball knocks down resetting the situation
    4) Ken's cr.HK is now -8 on block I think she has several ways to punish that
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  • AkuliousAkulious Grappler Joined: Posts: 27
    d3v wrote: »
    Akulious wrote: »
    d3v wrote: »
    Gief probably beats Decapre (serious 7-3 vibes coming, tbh)
    IMO, Decapre has trouble with grapplers since most of her options out of scramble are unsafe. Her main option in these matchups seems to be going for cr.mk - lp hands pressure since she can't be SPDed on block using that string.

    Just tested this in the lab. It is punishable with LP SPD. Not even karaing it. I tried it at the max distance. Still punishable. LP hands leaves here too close.

    *EDIT*
    Seems MP SPD also works just as easily.
    HP SPD does work but needs to be kara'd.
    Are you doing it from max range cr.mk distance? Because we already know that raw hands is unsafe. What we're specifically talking about is cr.mk~lp. hands which our own testing has shown to be safe from SPDs and DPs.

    Yeah. I tested this multiple times. I tested in the corner and mid screen. All punishable by LP SPD. I used the turbo feature to make sure it was a 5 hit combo when recording. (regular hands = 4 hits). I did it from max distance I could. I even tested with c lp x2 c mk xx lp hands. I haven't tested EX though.

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  • IckyTheIcicicleIckyTheIcicicle Joined: Posts: 24
    Prof wrote: »
    A lot of people just don't understand the character guys.

    Meaning, most of the people that pick up Deejay don't know how to balance rush down attacks and zoning.
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  • TeriosTerios Where do you want me to break you first? Joined: Posts: 1,675
    Yes they do. He has inherent characters weaknesses that no playstyle shift is really going to cover. Even if you do somehow manage to deal with stuff like...his bad wakeup by never getting knocked down it doesn't change the fact that other characters do it BETTER.
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  • TheFreshPrinceTheFreshPrince Sold so many chickens think I work for Kroger Joined: Posts: 3,725
    edited June 2014
    This guy must have came from eventscrubs.

    When that interview with combofiend came out a couple days ago about how he thinks a lot of characters are underrated, I saw some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen.

    These people were actually arguing with Dee Jay mains, and other more knowledgeable players about how Dee Jay was a good character, and how people just don't know how to use him. I fucking lol'd for a good half-hour at their stupidity.

    I assumed those are the players who think his jump knee is unbeatable, and fall for Air Slasher, walk up slide errytime.
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  • IckyTheIcicicleIckyTheIcicicle Joined: Posts: 24
    I actually thought he was top 10.

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    Call me delusional then. On AE there were a handful of bad matchups. To the average guy who messed around with him
    Will Smith wrote: »
    This guy must have came from eventscrubs.

    When that interview with combofiend came out a couple days ago about how he thinks a lot of characters are underrated, I saw some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen.

    These people were actually arguing with Dee Jay mains, and other more knowledgeable players about how Dee Jay was a good character, and how people just don't know how to use him. I fucking lol'd for a good half-hour at their stupidity.

    I assumed those are the players who think his jump knee is unbeatable, and fall for Air Slasher, walk up slide errytime.

    In Ultra, it's not ridiculous to assert that he's not as good a character anymore. In AE, he was actually really good, and as trivial as it sounds—yes, some people didn't know how to use him—I'm talking on a more advanced level. Unless you're a main with the guy, then it's easy to dismiss that as fact. I was no expert, but I stopped ranked with Deejay on AE after I hit 14.5k and then slumped a bit and stopped and just played endless. So, I'm no Kurokiba or Kraken, but trust me, he was good.
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  • IckyTheIcicicleIckyTheIcicicle Joined: Posts: 24
    Veserius wrote: »
    Well Kraken boosts, and Kurokiba does the wrong combo in literally every situation(and also used to boost). So thats really not saying much.

    You can't lose 25-30 matchups and be top 10

    I understand where you're coming from...But what about someone who was say a main with Evil Ryu in AE? Based on fairly popular tier lists, he was lower tier with unfavorable matchups. But the guys who mastered him were extremely good and exploited matchups that they were supposed to lose. If you understand your character and your bad matchups, you can hold your own in most situations sans blatantly bad matchups like Dhalsim vs. Hugo or something.
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  • TeriosTerios Where do you want me to break you first? Joined: Posts: 1,675
    You can "hold your own" in every matchup in the game. 4-6 with literally every character. That doesn't mean you're top 10.
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  • TheFreshPrinceTheFreshPrince Sold so many chickens think I work for Kroger Joined: Posts: 3,725
    Yeah, E.Ryu and Oni always had all of the tools to be good in the game: Insane damage, great normals, meterless 3F reversal, consistent anti airs, meterless multi-hit projectile etc.

    Dee Jay has none of that, and to win him you have to completely outplay your opponent and make almost zero mistakes. It's impossible to compare him to those charactets, because he is much worse right off the bat.
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  • VolcanicAkuma55VolcanicAkuma55 Joined: Posts: 1,991
    wait wait u mean xWAx Kraken? lol that guy was in the Caribbean. laggiest player i've ever fought
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Does not like SJWs or the alt right Joined: Posts: 5,989
    edited June 2014
    Shinebox wrote: »
    I don't think Ken goes even with the same characters he did in AE2012. He definitely loses to Chun Li now.

    Akuma is not as bad and is likely 5-5 now. Same thing with Zangief.

    He always lost to Chun in my opinion. I dont think shotos want to be up close with chun in general. The exception WAS Akuma, but that has changed dramatically. If a shoto doesnt have a good setup to use, i think its best to turtle.

    Its difficult for me to comment on Evil Ryu though, because I dont have a lot of matchup experience there.
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  • Rice_EaterRice_Eater Now more Evil Joined: Posts: 1,889
    Evil Ryu was low to low mid in AE, but like other have said he always had all the tools he needed to compete despite that. To be honest, he plays almost exactly the same as he does in the original AE. The sweep would have been a game changer, but DWU negates that. The only thing in his arsenal that you have to be wary of now that you didn't have to in AE is hop kick > EX tatsu. Tons of damage for such a simple move that blows up stand/crouch tech and it does even more damage in the corner. Besides that he's pretty much the same dude.

    All his gradual buffs from AE 2012 to Ultra with nerfs to the guys ahead of him is what makes him supposedly top 5 right now. The potential was already there though. As for the Chun match up, I think that's also slightly in Chun's favor. It's just that she has to be careful because of all the shoto's Evil Ryu can really bring the pain up close. A low forward > fireball into combo or low forward > LK axe kick into Ultra 2 can make up for many lost exchanges in the footsie war.
  • IckyTheIcicicleIckyTheIcicicle Joined: Posts: 24
    Will Smith wrote: »
    Yeah, E.Ryu and Oni always had all of the tools to be good in the game: Insane damage, great normals, meterless 3F reversal, consistent anti airs, meterless multi-hit projectile etc.

    Dee Jay has none of that, and to win him you have to completely outplay your opponent and make almost zero mistakes. It's impossible to compare him to those charactets, because he is much worse right off the bat.

    Fair enough.

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  • Da KnutDa Knut Joined: Posts: 1,599
    I actually thought he was top 10.

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    Call me delusional then. On AE there were a handful of bad matchups. To the average guy who messed around with him
    Will Smith wrote: »
    This guy must have came from eventscrubs.

    When that interview with combofiend came out a couple days ago about how he thinks a lot of characters are underrated, I saw some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen.

    These people were actually arguing with Dee Jay mains, and other more knowledgeable players about how Dee Jay was a good character, and how people just don't know how to use him. I fucking lol'd for a good half-hour at their stupidity.

    I assumed those are the players who think his jump knee is unbeatable, and fall for Air Slasher, walk up slide errytime.

    In Ultra, it's not ridiculous to assert that he's not as good a character anymore. In AE, he was actually really good, and as trivial as it sounds—yes, some people didn't know how to use him—I'm talking on a more advanced level. Unless you're a main with the guy, then it's easy to dismiss that as fact. I was no expert, but I stopped ranked with Deejay on AE after I hit 14.5k and then slumped a bit and stopped and just played endless. So, I'm no Kurokiba or Kraken, but trust me, he was good.

    Seriously, DJ is bottom 3. I have a lot of experience with the character against good opponents. I've played many money matches and have major experience. what i can tell you is that DJ has holes that many characters can exploit. Currently, I'm ranked number 1 on xbl and I'm trying to figure things out. I don't have anything positive to say yet. Well, he beats Hugo and T.Hawk :-) . Currently, Kurokiba, FreeJay, Willpower, Affi, Dialupslim, and I are trying new characters because DJ won't cut it. He is really that bad. The new system mechanics don't even help .
  • cerberusfxcerberusfx Timekeeper Joined: Posts: 2,351
    edited June 2014
    Da Knut wrote: »


    Seriously, DJ is bottom 3. I have a lot of experience with the character against good opponents. I've played many money matches and have major experience. what i can tell you is that DJ has holes that many characters can exploit. Currently, I'm ranked number 1 on xbl and I'm trying to figure things out. I don't have anything positive to say yet. Well, he beats Hugo and T.Hawk :-) . Currently, Kurokiba, FreeJay, Willpower, Affi, Dialupslim, and I are trying new characters because DJ won't cut it. He is really that bad. The new system mechanics don't even help .

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  • VeseriusVeserius Hold Down Back Joined: Posts: 11,554
    I actually like the Shin Deejay pic. It's super ironic now
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    and I thought I was mad about Gen changes. imagine what would have happened if deejay won a major. lmao
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  • Jox_in_a_BoxJox_in_a_Box Joined: Posts: 56
    Kurokiba played pretty well against PR Balrog's evil ryu at a recent thing.

    At least DeeJay DESTROYS T Hawk. I'd rather fight blankas than Deejays and guile with t hawk.

    anyways tier things:

    Bison is definitely better. I can put him in my top ten I think. I haven't seen as much E Ryu as I thought I would. Abel is going to be pretty real. I haven't seen much Vipers either. Dudley is tough. El Fuerte is definitely improved. I think the event hubs tier list will be changing drastically in a month or so
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  • NooctaNoocta Didja see that ? Joined: Posts: 2,418
    Viper could be twice as broken as AE Yun you would still not see many of them.
    Let's see how Latif does at Shadoloo showdown and EVO, it will give us a good idea for the character.
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  • Da KnutDa Knut Joined: Posts: 1,599
    cerberusfx wrote: »
    Da Knut wrote: »


    Seriously, DJ is bottom 3. I have a lot of experience with the character against good opponents. I've played many money matches and have major experience. what i can tell you is that DJ has holes that many characters can exploit. Currently, I'm ranked number 1 on xbl and I'm trying to figure things out. I don't have anything positive to say yet. Well, he beats Hugo and T.Hawk :-) . Currently, Kurokiba, FreeJay, Willpower, Affi, Dialupslim, and I are trying new characters because DJ won't cut it. He is really that bad. The new system mechanics don't even help .

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  • FatFat Joined: Posts: 84
    So, if i choose DeeJay, I'm definitely using Low Tier?

    This is kind of important to me, since last time i chose Oni because he was dead last on the tier list (far worse than Dan); and then he won Topanga A league and everyone starting crying about him. I mean he was still dead last on the SRK tier list even after Topanga (i think he had no winning matchups); but I don't think anyone was looking at the list anymore for some reason.

    I just want to make sure I am using a really low tier (other than Dan) with DeeJay. Btw, I also thought that DeeJay was a solid character in v2012.

  • Rhythmic_combosRhythmic_combos Mind games are my games Joined: Posts: 392
    Fat wrote: »
    So, if i choose DeeJay, I'm definitely using Low Tier?

    This is kind of important to me, since last time i chose Oni because he was dead last on the tier list (far worse than Dan); and then he won Topanga A league and everyone starting crying about him. I mean he was still dead last on the SRK tier list even after Topanga (i think he had no winning matchups); but I don't think anyone was looking at the list anymore for some reason.

    I just want to make sure I am using a really low tier (other than Dan) with DeeJay. Btw, I also thought that DeeJay was a solid character in v2012.
    If you pick deejay your definitely playing the lowest tiered least versatile character in the game. He literally needs to be played at a high or atleast intermediate level if you even wanna get by.
  • IckyTheIcicicleIckyTheIcicicle Joined: Posts: 24
    Da Knut wrote: »
    I actually thought he was top 10.

    129157558613824302.gif

    Call me delusional then. On AE there were a handful of bad matchups. To the average guy who messed around with him
    Will Smith wrote: »
    This guy must have came from eventscrubs.

    When that interview with combofiend came out a couple days ago about how he thinks a lot of characters are underrated, I saw some of the dumbest comments I have ever seen.

    These people were actually arguing with Dee Jay mains, and other more knowledgeable players about how Dee Jay was a good character, and how people just don't know how to use him. I fucking lol'd for a good half-hour at their stupidity.

    I assumed those are the players who think his jump knee is unbeatable, and fall for Air Slasher, walk up slide errytime.

    In Ultra, it's not ridiculous to assert that he's not as good a character anymore. In AE, he was actually really good, and as trivial as it sounds—yes, some people didn't know how to use him—I'm talking on a more advanced level. Unless you're a main with the guy, then it's easy to dismiss that as fact. I was no expert, but I stopped ranked with Deejay on AE after I hit 14.5k and then slumped a bit and stopped and just played endless. So, I'm no Kurokiba or Kraken, but trust me, he was good.

    Seriously, DJ is bottom 3. I have a lot of experience with the character against good opponents. I've played many money matches and have major experience. what i can tell you is that DJ has holes that many characters can exploit. Currently, I'm ranked number 1 on xbl and I'm trying to figure things out. I don't have anything positive to say yet. Well, he beats Hugo and T.Hawk :-) . Currently, Kurokiba, FreeJay, Willpower, Affi, Dialupslim, and I are trying new characters because DJ won't cut it. He is really that bad. The new system mechanics don't even help .

    Hey DaKnut, didn't realize you were DJStillSucks lol. I'm with you. His new mechanics are awful. I haven't had any trouble with Hugo or T. Hawk, as expected. I'm right there behind you. I was trying to catch up to #2 or #3 but the lag on ranked has been so terrible, I can barely play. Are there any characters since the update that are giving you more trouble now? For some reason, I've been losing to Cody and used to win that matchup 90% of the time.

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  • AniMoneyAniMoney CFN ID: Airman Joined: Posts: 970
    How good do you guys think Cammy is? I'm having a hard time comboing off dive kicks and getting them to crossup. Not sure if it's just me or because of some changes. I mean she still has good normals and ex dive is still great but I feel like she's a little worse.
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  • IckyTheIcicicleIckyTheIcicicle Joined: Posts: 24
    AniMoney wrote: »
    How good do you guys think Cammy is? I'm having a hard time comboing off dive kicks and getting them to crossup. Not sure if it's just me or because of some changes. I mean she still has good normals and ex dive is still great but I feel like she's a little worse.

    Not a Cammy player personally, but having fought a couple in the new version she doesn't seem significantly better or worse in my opinion. Still top tier.

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  • jebopjebop Joined: Posts: 6,890
    I don't think Bison is top 10, I still find it funny people can't deal with scissors. As for Evil Ryu, there's so many online... Rose also.

    Cammy still top 10 potential. Too bad I give away free PP, by being stubborn and going for max damage punishes on this lag fest we have online. I also have setups, where if you DWU, you're still gonna have to guess. In fact, I don't have to think at all.

    I want to play Dee Jay, but there's just no reason to.
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