Drawing/Sketching fundementals thread

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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,281
    I'm currently looking for a camera to show you my work.
    I'll thank ViciousSLASH again for giving me the link to the Loomis books last year. The rules are you can draw anything you want, just keep the mediums graphite or black ink. In the other art forum you'll notice than no one likes discussing art, in fact no one goes there. This really isn't intended to be a fan art discussion.

    People generally don't like working with graphite or black ink because its hard for a lot of people to produce decent work without adding colour. If you can't stick to the rules post your work in one of the other art threads... or just post it in the lounge thread.
  • TaitoTaito Great Thing Joined: Posts: 7,097
    Any recommended reading/watcing for sketching environments? Understanding composition?

    Great thread (finally on GD), looks like I'll learn a lot from you guys.
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,281

    How the hell do you guys translate something from your brain and make it come out of your hand? For example I'm pretty good at looking at something and drawing it more or less, with the complete exception of human faces. I can only do it if whatever I'm looking at is completely still. Though sometimes my proportions are a bit off. But if I have an image in my head, I cannot make it happen and I dont know why. It will look like complete shit as though I stole it from a 1st grade art class

    This is exactly what this thread is about. If you want to get really good at copying images all you have to do is draw anything you see in magazines, over and over again. If this is what you want to achieve this thread is a waste of your time because learning fundementals would be unnecessary and time consuming. I specifically chose the Graphite and Ink rule because I don't want people posting old work, and old graphite work always looks rubbish whereas coloured work can still look decent after many years. Hectom is the only person to follow the rules correctly, so here's another rule, No posting work thats older than 2 months.
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,281
    How the hell do you guys translate something from your brain and make it come out of your hand?

    Lots and lots of practice. There are exercises to help though. I have a book, I think its called "Drawing with the left side of the Brain" or something like that (its in storage, so I can't check). If you can find it, pick it up. It covers why sometimes art just flows out and sometimes you can't come up with anything. It also has a lot of exercises to get your creative juices flowing.

    Is it this one? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=https://d1e0u2actw4eb3.cloudfront.net/edu/src/New%20Drawing%20on%20the%20Right%20Side%20of%20the%20Brain.pdf&ei=viThU7LIKenW0QW2-oCYDQ&usg=AFQjCNE_RUNhVoN3M-KrmciRxXGIv_Jerw&sig2=gdeJPybTrt2ZCMX2EYv9Dg&bvm=bv.72197243,d.ZWU
  • stormdetonationstormdetonation CFN: nexoninja Joined: Posts: 368
    edited August 2014
    Nice! that's the one. To anyone that reads it... it seems like a bunch of hippy bull shit, but some of the ideas and techniques really do help. The only one I use anymore is the wrinkle contour thing, but maybe some of the others work for someone else.

    I'm not gonna start drawing with graphite again to post anything, but I'll stick around to offer advice where I can. I've been a student of art for close to 30 years now and I love sharing knowledge. Maybe I'll even pick up a thing or 2.
  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    I go back to college in a month so I'll try and share more work throughout the semester.

    GotG and Korra have been great so far. I can't wait to do fan art of those. Maybe I'll figure out the style for my comic in the process.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,281
    A lot of people use charcoal when drawing figures. I'll also allow charcoal. All updates will be in the first post of this thread.
  • GC!?GC!? undine Joined: Posts: 408
    edited August 2014
    This thread caught my eye. As someone who's been trying to learn to draw for 1 1/2 years, here's some tips:

    - there's a myriad of methods of how to construct the human body; use the methods that make the most sense to you. Loomis, Vilppu, Steve Huston, Michael Hampton, etc. all have their own approaches, but they aren't the only way. I prefer Ron Lemen's and Proko's methods.
    - learn to draw boxes, cylinders, and organic 3D shapes (look up dynamic sketching with Peter Han). You don't have to draw it daily, but you should understand how to create objects with depth and three-dimensionality and understand why the exercise is important.
    - drawing people from life is the most useful tool, you can't go wrong with it, but it's not a realistic option for everyone as there aren't always figure drawing classes with nude models available. Drawing yourself from a mirror works, but it can be challenging logistically. Pictures are good, but there will always be the limiting factor of its two-dimensionality. Action/PVC figures can be good if they are anatomically accurate (most aren't).
    - Something that I guess some people would disagree with me here, but copying from other artists isn't bad, so long as you aren't blatantly plagiarizing. It's more meant as an exercise to help you observe, figure out how the original artist came to the finished result, and potentially expand your mental library. Most teachers will tell you to look up art books from the old masters (Da Vinci, Rembrandt, etc) and draw from them. They're called master studies.
    - there's no one way to get to where you want to be as an artist, so discard advice at your discretion (including mine). Just know if you go the beaten path, there's a lot more pitfalls along the way.

    Anyway, I can't show my work here because I draw mainly with a tablet and most of my drawings are porn. *HONK HONK*
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  • stormdetonationstormdetonation CFN: nexoninja Joined: Posts: 368
    pedoviejo wrote: »
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    You're off to a good start with this piece. Your technique, while held back by the pencil, is pretty good and you show a wide range of values. To take it to the next level, try adding in perspective, both traditional and atmospheric.

    Using vanishing points for curved lines can be tricky, but it can be done. Basically you move you VP along the horizon as the line curves. Once you've done it a few times, you can freehand curves and have them look accurate.

    Atmospheric perspective is how air dissipates light. If you can, get up really high and look at distant mountains. The further away they are, the more the atmosphere alters the colors before they get to your eye. I know this thread is about single color images, but air makes objects lighter and adds a blue tint that intensifys as the object gets further away and the light passes through more air before reaching your eye. For monotone pieces, simply making each "layer" in your sketch lighter than the one in front of it is enough to get a nice illusion of depth.

    DaVinci was the first artist to put this idea to use, and he still probably had the best application. Look as some of his landscapes to see what I'm talking about. For an example in a sketch, I tried using atmospheric perspective in the viking boat sketch I posted. The mountains weren't the focus, but even a hinted at background pulls out your subject and anchors it to the page. I'm sure there are tons of resources available online as well. Try googling atmospheric perspective.
  • StockyJamStockyJam My nigga Networkingyuppy Joined: Posts: 5,744
    edited August 2014
    Taito wrote: »
    Any recommended reading/watching for sketching environments? Understanding composition?

    Great thread (finally on GD), looks like I'll learn a lot from you guys.



    =P



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  • pedoviejopedoviejo Thuggin in da Kitchen Joined: Posts: 13,848
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    first one was simple enough, and more of shading exercise. the next one was me trying to draw my guitar. I have such a difficult time with curves, I'd figure I need to learn how to do reference points without graph paper so things come out proportionally.
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  • StockyJamStockyJam My nigga Networkingyuppy Joined: Posts: 5,744
    edited August 2014
    I found the 3 other books.
    =P
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  • abkalldayabkallday Joined: Posts: 2,220
    Im gonna have to upload some of my stuff soon
    Psn:Genocidecu
    UMVC3:Dante/X-23/Magneto Tekken Tag Tournament 2 Lars/Nina USF4:Guy/Juri/Adon/Rufus
    GGPO:genocide_cuttah KOF 2002 Shermie/K/Kula Kof 98: Iroi/Robert/Saisyu/Kyo Garou: Kim Dong Hwan and Gato
  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    edited August 2014
    Same here. My friend's birthday is in a few days so I'm gonna doodle up her favorite anime character.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,281
    Taito wrote: »
    I haven't had time to draw anything, and I haven't studied many art books.. [/IMG]

    Just draw anything and post it even if it's a work in progress. Don't worry if it doesn't look great now, you'll eventually get to that level at some point. I didn't like the way my sketches turned but you'll see far better sketches from me next month so I'm not really bothered. Studying art books alone won't make you a better artist.
  • CTGCTG Army of Zero Joined: Posts: 6,206
    Excellent thread. Should be really useful for me.

    Cheers.
  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    edited August 2014
    After months of sketching and brainstorming ideas in my spare time, I think I'm getting really close to the style and design for the protagonist of my story. There have been drastic changes in my style considering what the story is about and who this character is as a person, but things are coming along.

    I'm glad that I can look at this sketch days after making it and still like what I see.

    Initial drawing
    2m61owg.jpg

    Updated
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  • MechWarriorMechWarrior Joined: Posts: 5,718
    That crispy linework though. Mmmf.
    How long have you been doing art stuff?

    (...she's cute, lol)
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  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    Been drawing since childhood. Took breaks here and there for sports and games, but art is about the best thing I do.

    I'm a careful traditional artist, so that explains the relatively clean lines. I sketch everything with H graded pencils and go over them with darker pencils like HB and Bs. I always keep a good eraser by me to help smooth out the lines without leaving any marks behinds (unless I've already gone over with a dark pencil... I can do better in waiting for the right time to put down the H pencils lol).
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  • fistoftheryustarfistoftheryustar Joined: Posts: 2,170
    Any tips on hands and feet ?

    Also any help with "imagined" lighting? Like being able to draw where shadows would be if you planned having the light source coming from above or below?

    When you look at a picture or subject its easier to do the shading. But just off your head / imagination its so hard saying "the cheek would get shading here if the light source was here." Professionals seem to have this down even when working from imagination
    My drawing:
    Mai cheats on Ryu - "Shin Shoryuken!"

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7115525&postcount=252
  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    Any tips on hands and feet ?

    Also any help with "imagined" lighting? Like being able to draw where shadows would be if you planned having the light source coming from above or below?

    When you look at a picture or subject its easier to do the shading. But just off your head / imagination its so hard saying "the cheek would get shading here if the light source was here." Professionals seem to have this down even when working from imagination

    It helps to understand anatomy, which is why I'm taking figure drawing classes.

    With that being said, a neat technique to use to help your brain know which areas to shade would be to lightly draw in a small "sun" or lightbulb on the piece. You can work off of that to help figure out what to shade, but the intensity of the light will have to be determined by what would make sense to you.

    It doesn't hurt to study other artists' work to see how they do their shading, but again, knowing anatomy helps a bunch even when drawing cartoon/ manga characters. If I get the chance I'll shade my sketch of Helen (my character from a few posts ago) to give you an example.

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  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    Here's the drawing I made for my friend's birthday.

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  • abkalldayabkallday Joined: Posts: 2,220
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    My drawing of Ultimecia from Final Fantasy
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    GGPO:genocide_cuttah KOF 2002 Shermie/K/Kula Kof 98: Iroi/Robert/Saisyu/Kyo Garou: Kim Dong Hwan and Gato
  • mowrmowr VROOM VROOM! Joined: Posts: 6,750
    I fucking love the 3S artwork.

    I draw but I'm shit. When I get good enough I might show you guys.
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  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    It doesn't matter if you are good at drawing or not in the face of message boards. There's always room for improvement too.

    If you're willing to improve, however, then it's best to show what you've got to people and ask for critiques and advice. You'll be required to do this in college art classes (even my high school studio teacher hosted them).
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    - Masahiro Sakurai
  • fistoftheryustarfistoftheryustar Joined: Posts: 2,170
    I agree the 3s is my fave because its realism mixed with the anime style.

    All capcom artists also seem to possess "effective" shading. Just in the line work they do enough to imply this is where the face dips and this is whats lit and whats not.
    My drawing:
    Mai cheats on Ryu - "Shin Shoryuken!"

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=7115525&postcount=252
  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    I shaded my character drawing. You guys can find it in the same post and I left both pictures there to compare the differences.

    Even though I used some cel-shading, the ideas on where to shade are the same as other techniques.

    @Neesa I'm astounded that I was the one summoned here and not you. Neat stuff.
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  • NeesaNeesa Ric Flair drip go WOOO on a bitch. Joined: Posts: 7,136
    Haha. It's no big thing. Only a few people know that I draw. :tup:
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,281
    edited August 2014
    ^^ Did you even read the rules? lol

    What Mega Pixel cameras are you guy's using?
  • X_SwordX_Sword -+FGs, Art, and Beats+- Joined: Posts: 1,780
    ^^ Did you even read the rules? lol

    What Mega Pixel cameras are you guy's using?

    I fixed it up sir. Im using a scanner it can take up to 2 pieces of copy paper side by side if you are to measure the dimensions of the scanning glass
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  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,162
    Let's just say that I need to buy a new camera. Maybe I'll use the money left over on my next student loan. :coffee:

    The scanner I have isn't too bad, but I just need to use it more to make sure.
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