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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,517
    It also blocks normal attacks and invokes hit-freeze. So it can cause some wide-hitting moves to hit later, causing punishes not to work. Or certain multi-hitting moves may drop. Etc.

    Though that's not quite as much of a factor as it blocking projectiles in general.
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    mario circuit cannot be a legal stage. that god damn ceiling causes way too much damage, even if you tech it. it's fun for friendlies cause who gives a shit but god damn, free 100% combo? hell no
  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,517
    It can work as a CP. The ceiling and walls don't stay for long and only cause that kind of damage while the stage is moving. You have to know when that will be to actually set-up into it.
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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,122
    I've only ever seen it go balistic when you get knocked into it when you already would have died, or taken close to death damage anyways
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  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,593
    it's still too much damage you can get off from 1 move, i think it was kaboxx i was playing against. i uair'd him into the road and he stayed there and took like 170% from it, even teching twice and the time he didn't, i usmashed him

    it's fun, but it's just too easy to rack up damage
  • YannickYannick Max Range Panta Rhei Joined: Posts: 4,467
    You guys should come up with some actual criteria or you will never get a stage list you are satisfied with.
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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,122
    Yannick wrote: »
    We will never get a stage list you are satisfied with.

    Too true
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,282
    My criteria?

    Stop being whiny bitches and adapt.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,517
    And then you encountered Gokario and look how you reacted to that...
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    I yelled, said "fuck" a lot, and then dealt with it.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,517
    Actually CG just banned the tactic.
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  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,192
    edited January 2015
    I ran some tournaments and the stage list we came up with (for singles) through actually playing the game and not talking about theory is:

    Neutral:
    Battlefield
    Final Destination & Identical Ʊ
    Smashville

    Ʊ identical to FD:
    Battlefield / Big Battlefield
    Final Destination
    Pokemon Stadium 2
    Flat Zone X
    Palutena's Temple
    Skyworld
    Gaur Plain

    Ʊ rule: If you want to choose one that is not identical you must run it by your opponent and they reserve the right to deny you.

    Counter Picks:
    Wuhu Island
    Duck Hunt
    Town & City
    Delfino Plaza
    Kongo 64
    Orbital Gate Assault
    Halberd
    Lylat Cruise
    Castle Siege
    Pokemon Stadium 2
  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,282
    Thats... actually not too terrible a stage list.

    Speaking of stages... I went to a local gathering last night...

    I hereby am banning Smashville automatically every match I play.

    I am absolutely sick and tired of that goddamn stage.

    Oh the look on peoples' faces when I ban that shit without hesitation... Learn the other stages, dammit.
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  • phantasyphantasy Smash Journeyman Joined: Posts: 8,557
    that's the apex list + extra omega rule + kongo + orbital + ps2 + wuhu

    rip skyloft
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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,122
    po pimpus wrote: »
    Thats... actually not too terrible a stage list.

    Nope. Some stages are banned. Kill it with fire. No Wilys. BOYCOTTTTTT
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    po pimpus wrote: »
    Thats... actually not too terrible a stage list.

    Speaking of stages... I went to a local gathering last night...

    I hereby am banning Smashville automatically every match I play.

    I am absolutely sick and tired of that goddamn stage.

    Oh the look on peoples' faces when I ban that shit without hesitation... Learn the other stages, dammit.

    It's a damn shame when you can win solely because people didn't take the time to learn the stages...
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,517
    Skyloft can actually kill you at certain points during the transitions if you hit the walls. Not unlike Mario Circuit.

    Why can't I have a neutral Zelda stage Sakurai.
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  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,122
    Skyloft can actually kill you at certain points during the transitions if you hit the walls. Not unlike Mario Circuit.

    Why can't I have a neutral Zelda stage Sakurai.

    Dude, there aren't ANY neutrals other than Smashville and Yoshi's Island Brawl that aren't part of the usual set.
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  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,192
    phantasy wrote: »
    that's the apex list + extra omega rule + kongo + orbital + ps2 + wuhu

    rip skyloft

    Skyloft we felt was a little too big, maybe it'll be in doubles if I can figure out how to identify when random scenery will hit you.
  • TiberiousTiberious Oh noes! Teh FURRY! Joined: Posts: 1,067
    Orbital Gate Assault is the worst stage in the game, hands down. Yes, even worse than Palutena's Temple. It's like Poké Floats, but 100x worse.
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  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,593
    you never played on pacland then....
  • phantasyphantasy Smash Journeyman Joined: Posts: 8,557
    i think orbital is a good stage, there's only 1 gimmick to be really wary of
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  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,192
    Tiberious wrote: »
    Orbital Gate Assault is the worst stage in the game, hands down. Yes, even worse than Palutena's Temple. It's like Poké Floats, but 100x worse.

    It's not really anyone's favorite but thinking objectively there's no reason to not allow it.

    Also added Skyloft back to the stage list.
  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,593
    So how about that Umbra Tower guys?
  • Colonel-GilgameshColonel-Gilgamesh Akuma Matata Joined: Posts: 9,122
    This thread still exists?
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  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,593
    It does and i think we should have a more serious discussion about the stages now that we have a bunch of DLC stages added to the list, feel me?
  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,282
    LOL NO.

    Gonna be a bunch of whining about shit that people are too lazy to adapt to.
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  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,593
    this is why no one likes you po
  • KaboXxKaboXx FIGHTING CAT Joined: Posts: 3,954
    I seriously would like us to make a list of stages. I know its to much to ask but lets try to keep it civil!
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  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,593
    I'm just going to list stages into 3 categories, obviously legal, obviously banned, and then the question marks and those question marks should be discussed more

    Legal: FD, BF, lylat, town and city, smashville, dreamland 64, miiverse, duck hunt, umbra clock tower

    Questionable: Big BF, Mario Galaxy, Mushroom Kingdom U, mario circuit, delfino plaza, kong jungle, skyloft, norfair, yoshi's island melee, wooly world, orbital gate assault, kalos, pokemon stadium 2, gamer, coliseum, castle siege, port town aero, halberd, flatzone x, windy hill zone, pilot wings, wuhu island, wrecking crew, peach's castle 64, hyrule castle 64, pirate ship, midgar,

    Banned: luigi's mansion, mario circuit brawl, jungle hijinx, 75m, bridge of eldin, hyrule temple, onett, pyrosphere, palutena's temple, skyworld, the great cave offensive, garden of hope, boxing ring, gaur plains, wily castle, wii fit studio, suzaka castle, super mario maker,

    burn in hell: pac-land

    It's very liberal. Po has no opinion because he's po. The middle group is what we should talk about. Thoughts?
  • DavidstarDavidstar KILLA KUEEN! Joined: Posts: 5,052
    Colosseum should be neutral and legal
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  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,192
    edited February 2016
    I'm just going to list stages into 3 categories, obviously legal, obviously banned, and then the question marks and those question marks should be discussed more

    Legal: FD, BF, lylat, town and city, smashville, dreamland 64, miiverse, duck hunt, umbra clock tower

    Questionable: Big BF, Mario Galaxy, Mushroom Kingdom U, mario circuit, delfino plaza, kong jungle, skyloft, norfair, yoshi's island melee, wooly world, orbital gate assault, kalos, pokemon stadium 2, gamer, coliseum, castle siege, port town aero, halberd, flatzone x, windy hill zone, pilot wings, wuhu island, wrecking crew, peach's castle 64, hyrule castle 64, pirate ship, midgar,

    Banned: luigi's mansion, mario circuit brawl, jungle hijinx, 75m, bridge of eldin, hyrule temple, onett, pyrosphere, palutena's temple, skyworld, the great cave offensive, garden of hope, boxing ring, gaur plains, wily castle, wii fit studio, suzaka castle, super mario maker,

    burn in hell: pac-land

    It's very liberal. Po has no opinion because he's po. The middle group is what we should talk about. Thoughts?

    I'm here to pick your Questionable list apart.

    Permanent walk-offs are a no. A definite no. Just no.

    Big BF is just too damn big.

    Mushroom Kingdom would be fine but it really is kinda huge and Nabbit really sorta ruins it.

    Mario Circuit still has that ceiling glitch.

    Delfino/Halberd is fine for most people it's just that DK/Rosa can 0-death you off one grab because of how transitions work. This one sucks but I get it.

    Kongo Jungle AKA the classic stalling stage is just too good for some characters. Mac can't reach anyone on top without using up-b at which point any smart player would just go down, rinse and repeat. That's just one set-up!

    Skyloft is big and Glitchy.

    Norfair's fire just hits too damn hard.

    OGA I could potentially see as legal but the more I play to win the more I realize that especially as Sonic I can run away too effectively.

    Kalos has the Norfair issue, it's all adaptable but it's a little too strong.

    Pokemon Stadium 2 is the only stage I'm really personally on the fence on but I can see how the wind and conveyors are too much for some characters.

    Castle is still allowed in some places. I don't see why it was ever banned.

    Pilot Wings has red plane being a mini-Venom and yellow plane's undersides being a bit too abusable for run away.

    Wuhu is just too large and the transformations are also all very large.

    Wrecking Crew is too big.

    Peach's Castle 64.... I'm not sure. Pass.

    Hyrule Castle 64 is big, has an insane hazard has a cave of life and has permanent walls.



    You've gotta be kidding Tier: Any permanent walk-off, Gamer, Port Town, Flatzone X, Windy Hill, Midgar, Pirate Ship.

    I sure wish the community would let use shake up the list for doubles though.
  • DavidstarDavidstar KILLA KUEEN! Joined: Posts: 5,052
    Smash bros you know melee has a pass through glitch on pokemon stadium right? Yet it's still played on.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Permanent Character Crisis Joined: Posts: 21,517
    Neutral: Battlefield, Final Destination, Smashville, Dreamland 64, Miiverse, Lylat*.

    CP: Duck Hunt, Umbra Clock Tower, Town and City*, Delfino Plaza, Castle Siege, Halberd

    *Town and City could still be a potential neutral and Lylat could be a CP.
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  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,192
    Davidstar wrote: »
    Smash bros you know melee has a pass through glitch on pokemon stadium right? Yet it's still played on.

    I did not know that, details?

    Also I feel as if they only play there because without it they have an even number of stages.
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    @Smashbro29




    the only reason i would ban mariokart is because of stage hazards not because of a rare glitch.
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    I thought that glitch only worked on the 20XX hack, guess not

    I'll separate the this list into 2 parts, questionable towards being more legal (questionable 1), questionable could go either way (questionable 2), and questionable towards ban (questionable 3)

    Questionable 1: Delfino Plaza, Kongo Jungle, Orbital Gate Assault, Kalos, Pokemon Stadium 2, Castle Siege, Halberd

    Questionable 2: Mushroom Kingdom U, Mario Circuit, Skyloft, Norfair, Gamer, Port Town Aero Windy Hill Zone, Pilot Wings, Wuhu Island, Peach's Castle 64

    Questionable 3: Big BF, Mario Galaxy, Yoshi's Island Melee, Wooly World, Coliseum, Flatzone X, Wrecking Crew, Hyrule Castle, Pirate Ship, Midgar

    I think that makes it easier to read as it is a lot of stages. I've been rethinking my way about stages. This is smash, we should allow more stages and play the platforming part of smash a bit more. Nothing too crazy though.
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    I thought that glitch only worked on the 20XX hack, guess not

    I'll separate the this list into 2 parts, questionable towards being more legal (questionable 1), questionable could go either way (questionable 2), and questionable towards ban (questionable 3)

    Questionable 1: Delfino Plaza, Kongo Jungle, Orbital Gate Assault, Kalos, Pokemon Stadium 2, Castle Siege, Halberd

    Questionable 2: Mushroom Kingdom U, Mario Circuit, Skyloft, Norfair, Gamer, Port Town Aero Windy Hill Zone, Pilot Wings, Wuhu Island, Peach's Castle 64

    Questionable 3: Big BF, Mario Galaxy, Yoshi's Island Melee, Wooly World, Coliseum, Flatzone X, Wrecking Crew, Hyrule Castle, Pirate Ship, Midgar

    I think that makes it easier to read as it is a lot of stages. I've been rethinking my way about stages. This is smash, we should allow more stages and play the platforming part of smash a bit more. Nothing too crazy though.

    If we're talking 1v1 the only stages with a snowball's chance in hell are Delfino, Halberd and Castle with Delfino/Halberd definitely being out because of abusable low ceilings.

    So basically current tourney list + Umbra + Castle = this game's final stage list with Castle maybe being removed later.
  • po pimpuspo pimpus Let's Hit the Climax! Joined: Posts: 25,282
    edited February 2016
    Shut the fuck up. Nothing is set in stone.
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  • Mood4food77Mood4food77 Joined: Posts: 9,593
    Some places are testing kalos, oga, and ps2. I think we should as well along woth the 2nd tier. Maybe a league of only those stages.
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