Better call Saul! premiere Feb 8

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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    In the end, Mike IS a really awful person too just like Walt. Not sure why you would put Mike over Walt in terms of morality. I'm not so sure if caring about his grand daughter was a fault, considering he ended up doing all this shady stuff to try to support his grand daughter. Kind of hard to say, but it's likely he wouldn't have been caught up with drug lords in Arizona if his grand daughter didn't exist.
  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,130 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    crucades wrote: »
    He understood what Walter was in BB, anybody would have murked him with any kind of moral compass and the means. His biggest fault was caring about his grand daughter.

    Doesn't mean he didn't take pay for putting people into the dirt.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 26,356
    No main character in the BB universe is a saint.

    They are all scumbags who justify the dirty shit they do through some veneer of "righteousness".
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    Raz0r wrote: »
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    Honestly, I dont think Mike ever crosses that line. Mike never kills for money. He kills, sure, but its never for a paycheck. Its for defense, or for revenge, or as a last resort for taking care of a problem. The closest I can think off the top of my head is the Mexico shootout, where he strangled that guy in cold blood

    He goes to kill Walter because he's paid by Fring. Though he was a problem, sure, he was paid to get rid of him. He wasn't a saint in BB.

    He goes to kill Walt, because Walt killed their drug dealers, prevented them from dealing with the DEA, and didn't know his place. It wasn't a random killing. It was business.

    Walt killing Mike? That was just ego.

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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,130 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Again, he was paid to do stuff like this so he ain't really a saint. There's a point where he stops caring about killing people. I'm curious to see what it is.
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  • white shadowwhite shadow WHAT'S MY NAME NYUKAH?!!! Joined: Posts: 13,779 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Geez... Chuck may be right, but he ain't "right."
    What an intolerable asshole; the moment he taunted Jimmy at how he would be late, knowing full well it was out of genuine concern for his welfare was totally scummy. His assertions about Jimmy's decisions and ethics may be valid, but in spite of this, I still lost all respect for him this episode.

    I hope Kim Wexler realizes the lengths Jimmy is going through to recompense for his actions.
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    I'm guessing this episode is further pushing Mike into the no half-measures territory

    He avoided trying to kill Tuco, because killing for money would be crossing a line he's not ready too

    Ofcourse, now that he has made an enemy in Tuco, I'm sure he'll regret that decision.

    This show is great.

    I agree that part of the reason for not killing Tuco is because he doesn't want to bloody his hands. The other reason is him being aware of what monsters the Salamanca's are and the blowback from one of their own getting offed.

    We already saw the scorched earth policy the cartel had in Breaking Bad regarding those in the game, and to them being caught by the pigs would be seen as the cost of doing business. On the other hand, an assassination of their own would start an Inquisition.
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  • FatalSeabassFatalSeabass Seabass is lethal! Joined: Posts: 1,150
    Let's not kid ourselves. Mike is a very bad guy.
  • Pimp WillyPimp Willy "I guarantee we got a rat in the house!" Joined: Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    He's an honorable criminal, like he said. You can be a good guy or a bad guy independent of being a criminal

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  • GHOSTMACHINESGHOSTMACHINES Destroyer of Mouthbreathers Joined: Posts: 1,659
    Many of the characters fall on different spectrums of morality, and maybe it's just because I like the character, but I don't see Mike as falling into the same spectrum as someone like Tuco, The Cousins, or Walter.
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  • GHOSTMACHINESGHOSTMACHINES Destroyer of Mouthbreathers Joined: Posts: 1,659
    So, did Chuck get cucked?
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,130 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    His wife probably left him after his condition worsened, or the condition was a psychological cause due to her leaving him. Either way, they'll probably explain it later.

    We going full Salamancas now. Fuck, wonder how Mike is going to handle this. It'll be interesting to see if the Salamancas and revenge are the reason he started working under Fring.
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  • Shaft AgentShaft Agent https://discord.gg/F4ZmxDu Joined: Posts: 9,272 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    son. i just caught this week's episode. my erection tore a hole in my favorite pair of church pants, son.

    son. imma learn how to make gifs because of this episode. fuck everybody in this thread.
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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I'm guessing for some reason Chuck's wife leaves him and that's when his condition starts.

    Anyone else get a pretty bad vibe from the scene of Hector visiting Mike? Hector knowing Mike is an ex cop means he knows about Mike's family. BAD news for Mike.
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    I thought it was pretty well established that the source of Chucks worsening condition is Jimmy. Whenever Jimmy starts acting up, Chuck gets worse. To the point hes basically mentally unable to cope with a world in which his fuckup brother is more well liked than he is. Even when chuck is having his panic attacks, Jimmy is there to explain to him why things aren't as bad as they seem, and instantly Chucks condition always seem to get better. But you know, it also makes sense that would play into his wife leaving; I mean, Jimmy is around again, so thats probably what triggers the condition in the first place, and likely causes her to leave? I hadn't really even wondered about that before, was this the first mention of him being married?


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  • GHOSTMACHINESGHOSTMACHINES Destroyer of Mouthbreathers Joined: Posts: 1,659
    Hector isn't asking Mike to change his story, he's basically demanding him to.
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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I'm guessing Mike ends up doing it because it seems like Tuco only serves five years instead of eight by the time Breaking Bad starts.
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    I'm guessing Mike ends up doing it because it seems like Tuco only serves five years instead of eight by the time Breaking Bad starts.

    I was about to say. According to the BB timeline, he should be running into Walter not that long into the future.
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  • GHOSTMACHINESGHOSTMACHINES Destroyer of Mouthbreathers Joined: Posts: 1,659
    edited March 2016
    I'm wondering if Chuck's cautionary story to Kim is even true or not. Based on what we've seen, we already know that Chuck has this weird, irrational jealousy of Jimmy. Jimmy taking 14k from his father's business might be possible, but I'm wondering if this is just another one of Chuck's schemes to try to dig at his brother.
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  • po pimpuspo pimpus Beyond Anger... Ultra Rage Joined: Posts: 26,356
    Their dad probably gave Jimmy the money, but Chuck saw it as Jimmy "stealing" from him.
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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I honestly don't think Chuck is out to get Jimmy like some people are saying. It's obvious that he has some sort of issue with Jimmy being so likeable, but I think he does actually care for his brother like he said he did last episode. The problem is that Chuck knows Jimmy better than anyone at HHM and even the audience. I can kind of see Chuck's point of view because dealing with the problematic black sheep of the family is tiring, and when people are that old, they don't change. Chuck's one big fuckup was when he finally told Jimmy "you're not a real lawyer". At that point, Jimmy was legitimately trying to turn his life around, but Chuck fucked that up. However, can we really blame Chuck after dealing like 30 years of "Slippin' Jimmy"?
  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,130 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Yeah we can still blame him. Jimmy passed the bar and everything. He should've been proud of his brother instead of an asshole.

    Jimmy did all that because he yearned for Chuck's approval and got spat on. Chuck strikes me as the kind of guy who loves his brother but doesn't want to see him succeed.
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  • GHOSTMACHINESGHOSTMACHINES Destroyer of Mouthbreathers Joined: Posts: 1,659
    edited March 2016
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Yeah we can still blame him. Jimmy passed the bar and everything. He should've been proud of his brother instead of an asshole.

    Jimmy did all that because he yearned for Chuck's approval and got spat on. Chuck strikes me as the kind of guy who loves his brother but doesn't want to see him succeed.

    I get the impression that Chuck is really frustrated that despite Jimmy's constant fuck ups, he still manages to be relatively successful. That Jimmy can get by on being funny and charming, while Chuck is a more rigid and by-the-books kind of person. We've all known people who are super goody two shoes who will try to rat out someone like Jimmy, even if they aren't necessarily doing anything to them personally. It's like this psychological need to feel righteous by stomping on someone who isn't "following the rules."
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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Here's the thing though, Jimmy, for a very brief moment, decided to "be bad" and go back to his old ways after his first fight with Chuck in season one. It didn't last for very long, and he decided to take the job at Davis & Maine. Jimmy has been fucking up quite a lot lately, and no matter how you slice it, has been breaking the law, or "working the system" in Jimmy's eyes. Even Kim wants to know if Jimmy can go one day without breaking the rules of the New Mexico Bar Association. As we found out from last night's episode, even giving the court office clerk a Beanie Baby is considered bribery, which he has been doing all this time (even before he fell out with Chuck). Even though it may seem insignificant, say he was doing this while working with HHM and he got caught. Something like that could really hurt HHM's reputation, on top of Jimmy getting fired/possibly convicted. No matter how you really slice it, Chuck is right about Jimmy: people don't change. It would have been only a matter of time before Jimmy would have been caught breaking the rules, whether or not Chuck approved of Jimmy's Bar Exam pass.
  • crucadescrucades Its a Kinda Bullshit Joined: Posts: 11,590
    That Hector sit down. Obviously Mike is straight up gonna tell him to suck deez nuts causing him to take a stroke, then Jimmy will appear post jumping on grenade for Kym to start the new operation.
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  • DANZANDANZAN NO SQUIGGERINO Joined: Posts: 6,566
    these episodes are sooooo gooooooooood !
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  • Pimp WillyPimp Willy "I guarantee we got a rat in the house!" Joined: Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Chuck is, IMO, relatable. He's an asshole, sure, but I can relate with WHY he is that way. But to think his point of view is infallible is silly, it's not really. I don't really believe Jimmy stole 14k from his dad just like that. But I think there is a legit reason Chuck believes that; like he probably never confronted Jimmy about it. Maybe their dad was into some shady shit, maybe it was protection money, I have to believe there was some legit reason for that money being missing. I think it would be an interesting twist if that money was used to do something that helped Chuck out directly, like paying for his college or something similar. I dunno.

    At least we know the source for him fostering all this hate for Jimmy. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.

    As for Mike and Tuco, we know Tuco gets out of jail early, so we know eventually Mike complies. My guess is he agrees to do it, if hes given some "work," and thats how he gets involved with gus.

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  • Okazaki IIIOkazaki III PARRY THAT SHIT SON Joined: Posts: 681 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited March 2016
    Chuck's mental illness doesn't make sense though. People that are well educated and have the ability to build a strong performing legal firm from scratch would handle mental illness differently. They suffer, of course, but seeing someone with that sort of business and education pedigree break down irrationally to the point they cover themselves with tinfoil is far fetched I think.

    Now If he was manic depressed or paranoid - causing him to hide at home without electronics, that would more sense imo.

    Also in terms of storyline, how much more could they develop it? Unless some really crazy shit happens the whole tinfoil act is pretty dead end. Edit: but I would love to be proven wrong of course
  • crucadescrucades Its a Kinda Bullshit Joined: Posts: 11,590
    Everything about Chuck pisses me off, hes just some petty fat slob who cant be happy for his brother. We all know Jimmy tapped his wife, her eyes lit up like a 5yo looking at a christmas present during dinner. Ole dusty motherfucker in the fetal position 90% crying under the table.

    Need more Mike, hell even Jimmy's shit gets old but Chuck? Huh?
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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited March 2016
    Jimmy having sex with Chuck's wife would be a pretty shallow and predictable way for her to leave Chuck. I'm sure they won't go that route. Besides, at that point in the timeline he probably already has eyes on Kim.
  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,130 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Spirit juice coming in my mouth with common sense.
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  • crucadescrucades Its a Kinda Bullshit Joined: Posts: 11,590
    I dont think that means what you think it means bruh...
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  • GHOSTMACHINESGHOSTMACHINES Destroyer of Mouthbreathers Joined: Posts: 1,659
    Part of me kind of feels bad for Howard, because all he's trying to do is run his firm, yet he's constantly caught in the crossfire between Jimmy and Chuck, and Kim ends up as the collateral damage. Yeah, he is an ass at times, but he's probably getting frustrated by being put in the position to be the bad guy because Chuck is too much of a cuck to be accountable.
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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Jimmy confirmed to have been stealing from his old man's convenience store. Chuck not so filled with bullshit after all.
  • GHOSTMACHINESGHOSTMACHINES Destroyer of Mouthbreathers Joined: Posts: 1,659
    Stealing eight dollars isn't exactly the same thing as stealing fourteen thousand. As we've seen, Jimmy and Chuck's dad is extremely naive, and a pushover.
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  • Pimp WillyPimp Willy "I guarantee we got a rat in the house!" Joined: Posts: 10,774 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    It could been the dad scammed outta 14k, but admittedly that scene looks bad for Jimmy.

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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 15,059 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Not sure if we'll be given more information regarding Jimmy and his pop's store, but it's fairly obvious that Jimmy decided that if his dad was going to be so foolish, he was going to take advantage of his dad. Just because he only stole eight dollars doesn't mean it didn't gradually turn into more over the years, although his dad getting scammed out of 14k could be a possibility too.

    So right now it seems like Jimmy is going to take Kim's offer and do a Wexler & McGill practice? Seems like a good compromise, and if he does decide to do it, I wonder how long it will last. Things appear to be looking up for Jimmy and Kim, so I'm wondering what causes their relationship to come crashing down.
  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,130 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I lost almost all interest in Jimmy's storyline. I'm way more invested in seeing what happens between the Salamancas and Mike.
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  • GHOSTMACHINESGHOSTMACHINES Destroyer of Mouthbreathers Joined: Posts: 1,659
    Raz0r wrote: »
    I lost almost all interest in Jimmy's storyline. I'm way more invested in seeing what happens between the Salamancas and Mike.

    If someone would have asked me about Jimmy's storyline last week, then I'd agree with you 100%. But I get the impression that they're actually ready to start moving his shit forward. Although I'll agree that Mike's story is, overall, far more interesting.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 26,130 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Jimmy's shit is just SO BORING right now. I get that it's important but he's been stuck in that same rut for a few episodes now. Either shit or get off the pot. But now he's finally left that shitty law firm. I still need to start seeing him doing more questionable shit than going through the motions of being a lawyer. Surprise, litigating is boring. It doesn't make for compelling TV unless you're Sam Waterston.
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