can i fix this hori stick in any way??

Destruction_warlockDestruction_warlock Joined: Posts: 7
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Hi! i bought this arcade stick 2 years ago with my ps3 and it was bad experience the stick it self had problems with directions like if i'm playing king of fighters it often do upward jump instead of up-right or up-left jump, in side scrolling games like metal slug it often crouch when i try to move right or left, i didn't find a way to fix it and wasn't able to return it because it was hard to explains the problem... so i sucked it up and left it to rot for all this time but now i feel like playing some fighting games and was thinking if there's a way to fix it? im very newb to this and don't know where to look and don't want to buy another stick if possible because this one was expensive for me and i didn't use it at all

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  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,292
    It sounds like you just need to practice with it. Try to make your movements more precise.
    Play Crimzon Clover, or go to hell.
  • pantyguardcrushpantyguardcrush Joined: Posts: 69
    contact hori and notify them of the problem you´re having. it could be the micro switches. if not, then the wiring. if both of those are working properly, then the problem is in the board. replacing a micro switch, or the wiring harness is simple and inexpensive. fixing a problem in the board, however is hori´s job, regardless of when you bought the stick. good luck getting this to work.
  • Destruction_warlockDestruction_warlock Joined: Posts: 7
    contact hori and notify them of the problem you´re having. it could be the micro switches. if not, then the wiring. if both of those are working properly, then the problem is in the board. replacing a micro switch, or the wiring harness is simple and inexpensive. fixing a problem in the board, however is hori´s job, regardless of when you bought the stick. good luck getting this to work.

    thanks a lot i sent them mail and waiting for answer, is there a way to test anything from my side?
  • TenshoTensho Joined: Posts: 2,855
    Was it always like that? if so then it's probably you and you just need practice with a stick and its square gate.
    Plug it in your PC and and go control panel, hardware and sound, devices and printers, then properties on your stick and you should see a screen where it will show when you press buttons and move the stick, test to see if it goes in all directions properly, up down left right then the 4 corners.
  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,292
    Yeah, you really should test the inputs before sending it in. Use a pc, or at least use the "display input" option in training mode in whatever game you're playing. I'm willing to bet the problem is your unfamiliarity with arcade sticks, or at least Japanese arcade sticks, which are way more sensitive (i.e. "touchy") than American style sticks
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  • Destruction_warlockDestruction_warlock Joined: Posts: 7
    yeah it was always like that but i quickly forgot about it because i was interesting in other types of games that doesnt involve the need of it
    and i did this before the stick pattern moves like diamond instead of circle when i make full circle move, until i really make it slow and push it hard on the up-right/up-left directions, while it feels more responsive to down-right down-left
  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,292
    Japanese sticks typically have square restrictor gates, you can get an octagonal gate or a circular gate if you would prefer that.

    As for the difficulty of hitting the upper corners versus the lower corners, look at how your hand/fingers/ wrist moves when you're going both ways- down Movements require less effort with most grips.

    You could also use an oversized actuator to shorten the engage distance (with "engage" meaning how much movement it takes before the microswitch is pressed), but be warned that this will also require a bit more precision to avoid accidental jumps.

    Personally, I prefer an octagonal gate with shorter engage and throw ("throw being how far the lever will physically move). For the jlf (which is what your stick should have in it), I use a kowal actuator and an octagonal gate, though there's nothing mechanically wrong with a stock one. Either way, it will take some practice and getting used to.
    Play Crimzon Clover, or go to hell.
  • Destruction_warlockDestruction_warlock Joined: Posts: 7
    edited January 2015
    Japanese sticks typically have square restrictor gates, you can get an octagonal gate or a circular gate if you would prefer that.

    As for the difficulty of hitting the upper corners versus the lower corners, look at how your hand/fingers/ wrist moves when you're going both ways- down Movements require less effort with most grips.

    You could also use an oversized actuator to shorten the engage distance (with "engage" meaning how much movement it takes before the microswitch is pressed), but be warned that this will also require a bit more precision to avoid accidental jumps.

    Personally, I prefer an octagonal gate with shorter engage and throw ("throw being how far the lever will physically move). For the jlf (which is what your stick should have in it), I use a kowal actuator and an octagonal gate, though there's nothing mechanically wrong with a stock one. Either way, it will take some practice and getting used to.

    thanks alot for the information im really newb to this so i dont know about those gates is it like button or switches because i have like 4 switches on the upper right i didnt touch them, also i will test more and see more guides for a better grips mine is kinda lame but it worked back then on big arcade consoles when i was standing while playing not sitting

    i will spend the night testing with random games hope the problem with my grip and not something related to the stick parts
  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,292
    If there's a problem with the stick, it would most likely be microswitches on the jlf, which is super easy to fix. If you bought the stick brand new, that's pretty unlikely. Not impossible, just unlikely.
    Play Crimzon Clover, or go to hell.
  • NENDONENDO I will meditate and then destroy you. Joined: Posts: 3,337
    Does the gate feel like a diamond or a square? If it feels like there is a corner on up, down, left, and right then the gate insert on the JLF is in 4-way mode. It would need to be rotated to allow all 8 directions to be used.
  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,292
    Ha,I didn't even think of that. I dint know why they would ship one like that, but this is the same company (hori) that can't seem to connect a 5 pin harness in several of the hrap v4, so it's possible.
    Play Crimzon Clover, or go to hell.
  • Destruction_warlockDestruction_warlock Joined: Posts: 7
    this is what the stick look like from inside 7NTGX96.jpg 3PGjJg9.jpg

  • NikoNiko Joined: Posts: 1
    That looks correct, and the gate is setup for 8way motion. If you push the stick to the left and slowly rotate it 360 degrees do you hear the 'clicks' from all the microswitches? You should here a click everytime a microswitch engages or disengages.

    Also, what system are you using the stick on mainly? A PC?
  • Destruction_warlockDestruction_warlock Joined: Posts: 7
    Yes computer because my favorite ps3 fighting games all came to computer now.
    so its fine? i thought i need to replace it with something like this http://www.focusattack.com/sanwa-gt-y-octagonal-restrictor-gate/
  • FreedomGundamFreedomGundam Freedom, ikimasu! Joined: Posts: 2,372
    The restrictor looks like it's correct.

    Like others have said: check out your execution first. Go to the fighting game of choice, go to the training mode, and turn on input display. Do the move you think you're going (say, a QCF or HCB move), then look at the commands that the game registered. You should be able to feel the microswitches click every time you press and release a direction.

    You don't need the octogonal gate, it's just an option that some people prefer.
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  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,292
    The octagon is restrictor gate is a preference thing, there's nothing wrong with the square. It will be closer to what you were expecting (based on your experience with American style levers that have circular movement) with the octagon though.
    Play Crimzon Clover, or go to hell.
  • Destruction_warlockDestruction_warlock Joined: Posts: 7
    thanks a lot guys for your help i ordered it anyway since its cheap and quite easy to install will update if things got better with it
  • LockMLockM Joined: Posts: 2,240
    edited January 2015
    Go into control panel on your PC, go look under devicemanager or something, look up your Hrap, press properties and then test.
    You can see if your device recognizes the directional inputs and if something is actually "broken".

    Honestly, i'm willing to bet that your arcade stick isn't broken and it is your excecution. With square gates it is sometimes diffcult in the beginning to find the up,down,left and right because they are just flat surfaces.
    In the beginning i used to think that an octagon gate might be usefull, but honestly, it is just a bit of practice and the most important corners or more pronounced on a square gate. Just learn on square gate.
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  • TenshoTensho Joined: Posts: 2,855
    Square gate 4 lyfe~
  • xeboxebo Joined: Posts: 40
    I figured I would ask this here. I dropped my hrap and now I don't get 7 or 9 directions. I can get everything else just fine. Could this be a easily solved problem?
    "i hit every combo/glitch there ever was the first time i try it, and usually the first time i try doing it after i wake up....but then i don't get it again all day at least.

    ...its like i have real life super meters... " -skisonic
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 34,612 mod
    xebo wrote: »
    I figured I would ask this here. I dropped my hrap and now I don't get 7 or 9 directions. I can get everything else just fine. Could this be a easily solved problem?
    Open it up and take pictures.
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  • SkaterBoXenSkaterBoXen SkaterBoXen Joined: Posts: 56
    hi guys, i'm having a problem with the mini 4 hori fighting stick, sometimes the stick doesn't compute the directions, it started with the right input, but after moving the NO metal it was solved, now it's oscilating with the up and down not working, what should i do.

    NOTE: Everytime it fails, i open the stick and move the microswitch metal and it solve for a couple of minutes
  • BolSadguyBolSadguy Just a Bol of Sadguys Joined: Posts: 1,391
    Get a better stick.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,211
    Why are we hijacking old threads for personal questions that ha nothing to do with the OP?
    Questions like these should really be in the Question and Answer Thread.

    That said if you can manipulate the switches in your stick so easily, there something wrong more than missing inputs.
    The mini 4 hori fighting stick isn't that great and it a cheap stick at best. You can mod it with a new joystick but I think its not worth the effort.

    Bol Sadguy could be right, consider getting a new stick instead.
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  • SkaterBoXenSkaterBoXen SkaterBoXen Joined: Posts: 56
    ok, thanks guys
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