Korean arcade parts discussion

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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Givin' dat ho ho ho dem eyes. Joined: Posts: 13,622
    Darksakul wrote: »
    el greco wrote: »
    The non-clear white Crown comes from Joytron EXchanger. They used to sell them separately as "white cone joystick" on ebay and exportprive.com

    Swap out the buttons, and the EXChanger's a great stick.
    From what I get, most of the sticks on this list can use some part swapping.
    So EXChanger's joystick is fine?

    Stick is fine. I normally play on a Myoungshin Fanta and felt no problems on it. The buttons are cheap knockoffs that feel like they try to stand in the middle of Crown and Seimitsus to me. I THINK they are 30mm buttons so they can be swapped for Sanwa, Seimitsu, or GamerFinger.

    @kkolding, what of those Thai switches for the Airbags? I haven't even heard of these mods, and am slightly curious about them. What differences are they between what is usually used in Fantas and Crowns?
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  • aabyssxaabyssx Joined: Posts: 38
    edited May 2015
    I watched JDCR stream yesterday and he was complaining about the parts in the Korean Tekken 7 cabinet (tkjdcr is his twitch channel).
    I wonder what is the opinion of other high level players...
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    How was the Madcatz KE? I wanted to grab one, but I hesistated and the went out of stock.
  • RagingStormXRagingStormX Team Arcade Stream Joined: Posts: 5,185 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    aabyssx wrote: »
    I watched JDCR stream yesterday and he was complaining about the parts in the Korean Tekken 7 cabinet (tkjdcr is his twitch channel).
    I wonder what is the opinion of other high level players...

    I remember playing with Laugh on GGPO years ago and he would always praise Korean parts, he is like the ambassador for that shit lol.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    aabyssx wrote: »
    I watched JDCR stream yesterday and he was complaining about the parts in the Korean Tekken 7 cabinet (tkjdcr is his twitch channel).
    I wonder what is the opinion of other high level players...

    Most top players don't like the Crown 307. everyone is used to play on Fanta airbag sticks

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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,676
    edited May 2015
    aabyssx wrote: »
    I watched JDCR stream yesterday and he was complaining about the parts in the Korean Tekken 7 cabinet (tkjdcr is his twitch channel).
    I wonder what is the opinion of other high level players...

    The Crown CWL-307 is a decent lever by itself but I can understand why he doesn't like it. I believe most if not all stock 307 levers with the upper gate have the Thai switches which are too sensitive especially with the larger actuator and the overall bottom construction. I used Myoungshin for a while and it took me a while to get adjusted to the differences. I did use Gersung switches afterwards which works better by a little bit.

    One quick mod I done was combine the 307's top end with the CWJ-303's bottom. While not Myoungshin-level, the parts balanced out to make it as sort of a Crown interpretation of the popular lever. The 307's gate has smaller travel distance than the 303, which is unnecessarily large for me, and is similar to the Myoungshin's gate; Hell, you can get the CWL-306 and have the gate work as well. The bottom end of the 303 is very similar to the Myoungshin in look. Personally I found it to be better than a Myoungshin. Tension is light but not loose. Engage comes near the end of touching the gate. I can use it with no glaring struggle and do inputs consistently. Your mileage may vary.

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    I also want to update on the Makestick Pro. The ABS body is their take on a Qanba Q3 (the playing panel is likely the same as a Q3 in terms of its size). They offer multiple levers including the Myounshin Fanta, Airbag Lever, Crown CWL and & CWJ, Sanwa JLF, Seimitsu LS-32. As for buttons, they offer a custom service of assorted Sanwa, Seimitsu or those knock off buttons. They have a PS4 version which includes a padhacked DualShock 4 and a custom PCB; They can be sold as separate products. Also here is the site.

    Oh yeah Crown also has a new button. Looks like a better version of their CWB-203c buttons.
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Givin' dat ho ho ho dem eyes. Joined: Posts: 13,622
    edited May 2015
    Oh yeah, here's my Saulabi mod tutorial.

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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,314
    edited May 2015
    Oh yeah, here's my Saulabi mod tutorial.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8CCCEA723C3569E2

    Wow still finding leaf switches (on the joystick) in this day of age.
    Preferred by old school purist for it's soft, silent action. Used in many old 70s and early 80s arcade cabs joysticks and push buttons.
    In some applications a leaf switch is preferred, but the downside is the blades of the leaf switch will bend.
    The more they bend the more they can ware out. The upside of a leaf switch is you can bend it slightly to effect actuation and engagement.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Givin' dat ho ho ho dem eyes. Joined: Posts: 13,622
    edited May 2015
    I've heard the leaf switches on those things aren't too bad, but yeah, like you said, durability is an issue. Better to go ahead and swap out the stick and buttons in one fell swoop.

    Even laugh said in his howto that the top priority for the mod was getting rid of the buttons, and the Saulabi stock buttons are trash.

    Putting in a Myoungshin makes all the difference in the word though.

    I'm really considering the getting one of the Myoungshin Airbags though.
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  • loomerloomer Joined: Posts: 32
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?
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  • rygodrygod In Training Joined: Posts: 107
    Good News Everyone!

    Crown 303-FK installed successfully in a HRAP V XBONE!!!

    No dremel required, a tight fit for just one of the connectors, but no clearance issues with the bottom panel or buttons. Some creative wire stacking and screwdriver angles have to be used but nothing daunting.

    But here's the best bit, I GET IT!!!!

    even after reading all about them and seeing youtube vids, nothing prepares a sanwa-addict like me for the feel of these Korean beauties! man o' man!

    I went straight to Raiden in MKX. As soon as I turned off the Directional Inputs option I was teleporting and flying across the screen like a madman 100% of the time. even the cancels and post input options were now possible!

    such a smile broke out across my face as the feeling of frustration began washing away ... now I can just focus on playing the damn game!

    to be fair it took 5 minutes or so trying to use it as a sanwa before i got it. you gotta BAT the bat around!? crazy talk! but sure enough after that everything that I wanted to happen just happened. even how to use the crazy rebound to my advantage quickly became clear. its finally like playing on a D-Pad with no Nintendo thumb! all of a sudden I was pulling off combos and linking strings to special moves that made sense in my head but never manifested in reality until now ... now I could get them out in time!!!

    I'm looking forward to the next 3D fighter now! Bring on T7! GAME ON!

    (thanks to focusattack for having all the needful)

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  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 897
    loomer wrote: »
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?

    They're flat and I love flat buttons. They're not as stylish(?) as sanwa buttons imo. They also seem like they are cheap buttons (they're not) at first glance but I've never had any issue with them. Same can be said for the C buttons as well.
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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    loomer wrote: »
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?
    I used them for several years, there good but Sanwa buttons are abit better, Gamerfinger buttons with blue cherry switches are even better!
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,314
    kkolding wrote: »
    loomer wrote: »
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?
    I used them for several years, there good but Sanwa buttons are abit better, Gamerfinger buttons with blue cherry switches are even better!
    What is your criteria for "abit better"?

    I personally find Sanwa buttons are way too soft.
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  • noobernoober Joined: Posts: 270
    how much of a difference would the Fanta upgrade kit make for a 307?
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  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 897
    For a point of reference I can do a no buffer Kara-demon in 3rd strike more consistently on Korean buttons than sanwa, Seimitsu, or happs.

    If the upgrade kit is the same it'd just be different microswitches and a harder rubber for more resistance. I have the hard version in one of my sticks and I love it. Your mileage may vary.
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  • EvolderekEvolderek Joined: Posts: 111
    noober wrote: »
    how much of a difference would the Fanta upgrade kit make for a 307?

    I don't think it would make much of a difference. The 307 feels like the 303 with the upgrade kit installed and a larger actuator, which made diagonals easier. I have the 307 installed in both my VLX and Hrap Kai. I really like the feeling of it.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    edited May 2015
    What is your criteria for "abit better"?

    I personally find Sanwa buttons are way too soft.

    Sanwa buttons felt better quality wise and more consistent.
    Crown's are of poor quality, had several of the buttons brake easily, even plastic chipping off. the feel between buttons would variate often.

    Crown 203 buttons are great, if they all are working and all have the same feel. I used to love theese buttons more then sanwas, but it pissed me off that I had to put in new buttons all the time.

    Gamerfinger took me a while to get adjusted to, because they are so accurate. But the feel and the physical click is very satisfying, best buttons i have ever used!
    noober wrote: »
    how much of a difference would the Fanta upgrade kit make for a 307?
    Crown 303 and 307 are very different, at least too me! in 2D games you properly wouldn't feel much of a difference, but with Tekken the 303 felt far better!
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  • AmerikaAmerika Something witty here. Joined: Posts: 414
    kkolding wrote: »
    loomer wrote: »
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?
    I used them for several years, there good but Sanwa buttons are abit better, Gamerfinger buttons with blue cherry switches are even better!

    The main issue with Gamerfinger buttons that I ran into is that if you change the switches even once you start running into random connection issues. Two of my buttons would sometimes just not work when pressed randomly. Then I ran into the issue where if you hit them just right the buttons would fly out. I was pretty dismayed when a local Fuerte player did a single run-stop and two buttons came flying out. Then we got all of them to do it.

    So yeah, watch out for those things. Oh, I also had the reds and the blues and much preferred the reds for consistency. The tactile bump of the blues just didn't jive well with me. But, I also had random drop issues too so maybe it was that. If Gamerfinger ever makes a version where you can't swap out the stems and removes the issues I outlined then I would consider them again. But right now I consider them a rather expensive mistake.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,676
    Hey Kkolding, how did you get your Green Arcade lever? I have been trying to get one for a while to use since they feel sorta distinctive to what I used. The white top looks so clean. I guess I have to go to Green myself right? Have you tried their buttons? Reminds me of Gamer Finger blues with Sanwa sensitivity.
  • rygodrygod In Training Joined: Posts: 107
    Crown 303-FK
    installed the FA Fanta Upgrades today. rather easy mod. there was indeed a large loose spring as well as a grommet inside that crown blue and black case!

    feeling the two grommets side by side its hard to perceive the difference, but when combined with the new switches its definitely a noticeable upgrade. in neutral, the actuator is bumping right up against all 4 leaves.

    the standard FK configuration made it very difficult to engage the diagonals, but now I can hit them as easily as the rest. what I like though is they have to be intentional. so no weird jump inputs out of the blue are likely for me anymore! (sorry my execution is still lacking)

    I installed on the xbone hrap V so I tried it out with Killer Instincts Jago. I found it curious that fireballs were fine with QCF but Shoryukens worked out better with Forward then Down in a double tap-hold motion. two inputs instead of 3 to get a SRK? what what what? and more noticeable is that I could get those two inputs in separate taps instead of gripping the lever all the way through it. this is probably old news I guess, but I never noticed this before on sanwas. not sure if this is a KI think or a Korean stick thing. if I get a chance to test on a USFIV machine I will let you know.

    I also did the crown->ball top shaft conversion and used the sanwa clear screw bat top. it measures just slightly higher than the normal crown lever and bat. for those curious the normal sanwa lever shaft with a bat top and screw conversion measures just shorter than both.

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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    Hey Kkolding, how did you get your Green Arcade lever? I have been trying to get one for a while to use since they feel sorta distinctive to what I used. The white top looks so clean. I guess I have to go to Green myself right? Have you tried their buttons? Reminds me of Gamer Finger blues with Sanwa sensitivity.

    They use regular crown Crown CWB203C buttons in green arcade, yea I'm afraid you have to visit green arcade to buy one. usually the arcade owner builds the stick for you on the spot. they charge about 45-50 dollars for the stick. you also more or less have to beg for it lol. they don't like selling the stick.

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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,676
    kkolding wrote: »
    They use regular crown Crown CWB203C buttons in green arcade, yea I'm afraid you have to visit green arcade to buy one. usually the arcade owner builds the stick for you on the spot. they charge about 45-50 dollars for the stick. you also more or less have to beg for it lol. they don't like selling the stick.

    KOFTEKKEN was right then when I had a conversation with him at Strongstyle, it's that hard to get one. Maybe I should buy one off of Nin if he ever goes to EVO again. Iirc, Sweden's JFK got a used one by Nin. Ty for the info! Might as well stick with Myoungshin and modded Crown.
  • VOLDOMVOLDOM Joined: Posts: 141
    Those "Thailand" microswitches are just regular Matsushitas aka Panasonic, (the same Seimitsu micros, but made in Thailand) notice the "M" logo... just saying.
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Givin' dat ho ho ho dem eyes. Joined: Posts: 13,622
    VOLDOM wrote: »
    Those "Thailand" microswitches are just regular Matsushitas aka Panasonic, (the same Seimitsu micros, but made in Thailand) notice the "M" logo... just saying.

    Oh God I love Seimitsu switches, so I definitely think I ought to get one of the Airbag sticks.
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  • AznSensation45AznSensation45 Joined: Posts: 9
    So what are the options of getting a full Korean stick now since etokki is sold out of Omnis and the saulabis are out of production. I am really interesting in trying out a real fanta as I been using the 303fk with rubber mod but everyone says the myoungshin fanta is way better. Anyone get a chance to look at this? http://www.istmall.co.kr/shop/goods/goods_view.php?goodsno=9992350&category=013 It seems like the new wooden korean stick, but the options for it look really appealing. I can't read Korean, but looks like you can set an option for an airbag fanta.
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  • NyntenNynten Joined: Posts: 9
    I figured this would be the place to ask.

    I've seen a lot of discussion on Korean joysticks and they seem like the kind of thing I'd want, so I was thinking about putting a Crown CWJ-303A on a Qanba Q4. That would work right? From my understanding the 303A is meant to fit in place of a japanese joystick with a korean feel.

    While browsing etokki to find one I came across korean buttons of many makes. How does the feel of korean buttons compare to sanwa? Also, which if any of the korean buttons would easily be slotted in place of the sanwa buttons on the aforementioned Q4?
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,314
    Korean buttons are 27.5mm, snap-in korean buttons are not an option in a Japanese Arcade stick.
    You might be able to get screw in buttons to work, but they will not be a great fit.

    Korean buttons are stiffer than Sanwa buttons, but then again everything else is stiffer than Sanwas.
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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,676
    So what are the options of getting a full Korean stick now since etokki is sold out of Omnis and the saulabis are out of production. I am really interesting in trying out a real fanta as I been using the 303fk with rubber mod but everyone says the myoungshin fanta is way better. Anyone get a chance to look at this? http://www.istmall.co.kr/shop/goods/goods_view.php?goodsno=9992350&category=013 It seems like the new wooden korean stick, but the options for it look really appealing. I can't read Korean, but looks like you can set an option for an airbag fanta.

    Airbag Fanta that IST has is Myoungshin with Matsushita switches. Personally pretty light to trigger switches unlike a default Myoungshin. I have the wooden stick and spent too much just to find out about the Airbag isnt the true real deal. At least I have a spare PS2 stick.

    That site doesn't ship overseas if I recall correctly and doesn't have PayPal if you were gonna use that. Apparently IST has another site that's for international selling but they don't have the PlayStation 4 Makestick Pro, MDF stick or the PCBs. The site doesn't seem to be fully complete either.
    Nynten wrote: »
    I figured this would be the place to ask.

    I've seen a lot of discussion on Korean joysticks and they seem like the kind of thing I'd want, so I was thinking about putting a Crown CWJ-303A on a Qanba Q4. That would work right? From my understanding the 303A is meant to fit in place of a japanese joystick with a korean feel.

    While browsing etokki to find one I came across korean buttons of many makes. How does the feel of korean buttons compare to sanwa? Also, which if any of the korean buttons would easily be slotted in place of the sanwa buttons on the aforementioned Q4?

    The CWJ-303A/FK should work fine on a Q4. The buttons, I am assuming the CWB-203A, feels sort of loose but has some give into it than Sanwa.
  • NyntenNynten Joined: Posts: 9
    Nynten wrote: »
    I figured this would be the place to ask.

    I've seen a lot of discussion on Korean joysticks and they seem like the kind of thing I'd want, so I was thinking about putting a Crown CWJ-303A on a Qanba Q4. That would work right? From my understanding the 303A is meant to fit in place of a japanese joystick with a korean feel.

    While browsing etokki to find one I came across korean buttons of many makes. How does the feel of korean buttons compare to sanwa? Also, which if any of the korean buttons would easily be slotted in place of the sanwa buttons on the aforementioned Q4?

    The CWJ-303A/FK should work fine on a Q4. The buttons, I am assuming the CWB-203A, feels sort of loose but has some give into it than Sanwa.

    So would CWB-203As slot easily in without any need to modify the case? I'm new to this arcade stick thing and don't want to have to mess with that too much.

    Speaking of more in-depth modifications, if in the future I wanted to use a Myongshin Fanta with a Q4/Fusion, is that at all possible and what sort of changes would I have to accommodate for?

    Thanks for the help.
  • loomerloomer Joined: Posts: 32
    @Nynten Unfortunately, crown buttons aren't an option if your stick has 30mm holes, the standard for Japanese sticks. Crown buttons are a tiny bit smaller, but small enough that they wouldn't stay in place.
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,289
    edited May 2015
    loomer wrote: »
    @Nynten Unfortunately, crown buttons aren't an option if your stick has 30mm holes, the standard for Japanese sticks. Crown buttons are a tiny bit smaller, but small enough that they wouldn't stay in place.


    Previous crown buttons yes....but the new ones that are coming out have a lugnut bolt feature that can secure buttons in a 30mm hole now....I'm just waiting for paradise arcade shop to get them in...which should be soon.
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  • AznSensation45AznSensation45 Joined: Posts: 9
    @The Phantomnaut Thank you very much for the information. I wish I would have known earlier. I was feeling kind of desperate for a korean stick, said screw it and bought the IST MDF stick off of Ebay. I tried to ask for the parts, but the reply was in broken English so we will see what happens. http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-PS3-Joystick-Pro-game-KOF-ARCADE-CONTROLLER-USB-ACTION-TEKKEN-ACTION-GAME-/181524182280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a43af3508 @slaycruz Are the new crown buttons exactly the same as the 203C but with pins now instead of having to solder the buttons on? I am having a hard time looking up info on the new buttons as I am really interesting in trying them out. I have only seen that video of someone installing it and that is about it. He didn't even plug in the QDs.
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    Here's a video of them being tested...the model number is 207-H....and from what I have read they will have qd's
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  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    edited May 2015
    I've been toying around with the Crown CWL-307F-J-W and the Fanta Crown Upgrade Kit stocked by FocusAttack for the past few week and comparing/contrasting the lot with a Crown 303-FK I’ve had collecting dust. I unfortunately no longer own any Korean sticks proper, so I’m only comparing these three parts against each other and to my distant memories of playing on a Myoungshin Fanta for a few months about a year or two back.

    Comparing the rubber
    All the grommets I own have had less than 2 weeks of wear on them played more or less equally every day for about 40 minutes to an hour apiece. I unfortunately don't have access to any tools that can test the rubber's hardness or how much force it requires to move the joystick in a given direction, so I'm entirely guessing based on feel. From my time with them, the 307’s rubber has the highest tension among the three with the 303’s coming in second, and the Fanta upgrade kit as a close third.

    I’m not sure why the Fanta kit’s rubber is so much more lax than the stock 303 or the 307’s. I was expecting the rubber to provide more tension than at least the 303 as I distinctly remember the 303 having far less tension than the Myoungshin I owned in the past. This might be my memory failing me. Regardless, the low amount of tension from the Fanta kit doesn't feel that great, especially when installed in the 307's body than in the 303's. I’d rather use the stock 303 rubber or, preferably, the 307’s. Unless you specifically desire less tension in your joystick, I’d steer away from buying the rubber grommet from the Fanta upgrade kit.


    Comparing the microswitches
    The three microswitches I had a chance to play with were the Gersung GSM V0323A3 which came stock with my 303-FK, the Gersung GSM V1623A2 which comes with the Fanta Crown Upgrade Kit, and a set of Matsushita AM51630C69N switches that come stock with the CWL-307F-J-W. Testing the three switches against one another, the hardest switches were the GSM V0323A3, followed by the Matsushita switches, and then followed by the Fanta Kit GSM V1623A2 switches.

    I tested the resistance of the three switches relative to one another by pressing the microswitch levers against each other and pushing until one of the two switches gave way. In doing so, I found that the Gersung GSM V0323A3 were by far the hardest of the three as it required far more force to depress than the other two. The Matsushita switches and the GSM V1623A2 switches feel like they are of comparable resistance, with the Gersungs caving in just slightly sooner than the Matsushitas.


    Mix and matching parts
    I tried out every possible combination of microswitch, rubber, and joystick body I had, giving each permutation a full 2 hour session of play apiece across about 5 days of playtime. Regarding rubber, the 307 rubber felt the best in both stick bodies and with all microswitch types, with the 303 coming second and the Fanta kit rubber being less than ideal. I believe a lot of Korean joystick users will agree that generally, higher tension feels better compared to lower tension.

    Using the 303 body, the biggest improvement came from just swapping the Gersungs for the Matsushita switches. I believe the 303-FK units that come with the Mad Catz KE sticks and the ones that Laugh at eTokki sold all came stock with Matsushita switches as well. Even without swapping around the rubber grommets, this helped a lot with the feel of the 303 and helped a lot with punching clean corners. Unlike with both sets of Gersungs, you don’t need to push the lever all the way to the gate in order to activate the diagonals. The Matsushitas, if not activating sooner, at least improve the range of the diagonals.

    With the 307 body, I actually preferred the Gersungs in there, specifically the Gersung GSM V1623A2 switches that come with the Fanta upgrade kit. I don’t know why, but the lower tension of the switch and the larger activation deadzone it has compared to the Matsushita make the 307 feel a lot better. One of the issues I have with the stock 307 is that perhaps because of the enlarged actuator, the activation distance for any given direction is tiny compared to how much I’m used to moving my arm for wavedashing or backdash cancelling in Tekken. I’m obviously guessing here, but to me, the Gersung switches made the 307 feel better.


    Final thoughts
    Playing around with all of this stuff, I’ve come to two conclusions: One, the 303-FK with Matsushita switches and the 307 rubber felt the closest to a Myoungshin that I could get with the parts I had on-hand. It also felt the best out of the combinations I’ve tried, moreso than any of the combinations I had with the 307. However, I think with the 307, it’s probably a matter of getting used to the stick itself. It feels way different from the 303 or a Myoungshin, so maybe I just need to put in some more time and get adjusted.


    This is all just my two cents on the matter. I hope some people with more Korean stick experience can chime in on these parts.
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  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 288
    edited May 2015
    thanks for reviewing our product.
    it is difficult sometimes to determined hardness of a rubber without tools, so this is the current test result using durometer shore A (hardness tester for rubber). this will give most objective data to compare, and you can test it yourself by investing on cheap durometer from ebay.
    ebay.com/itm/Practical-Dia-Shore-Type-A-Hardness-Rubber-Tester-Tire-Tyre-Meter-Durometer-Test-/141250852613?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20e334f705

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    but 40 vs 60 is pretty big difference, and the difference is noticeable without tools. maybe ikagi get harder rubber in his 303 or get defect product from my productions. I have QC every batch by myself, but who knows maybe it slipped away from me
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  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    wazwuz wrote: »
    maybe ikagi get harder rubber in his 303 or get defect product from my productions. I have QC every batch by myself, but who knows maybe it slipped away from me

    Thanks for the insight, wazwuz. I'll add that aside from having less tension than the other two grommets, the Fanta Upgrade Kit grommet I own is otherwise perfectly fine. All the directions have a consistent feel and there is more than enough tension there to center the stick properly. And like all the other rubber grommets, there is little to no deflection to the opposing side when you pull the lever to a given side and let it go. It's still nice to have a softer tension option for people without buff forearms, but here's to hoping that mine was just a single bad apple out of the bunch.
  • DJ-BlitzDJ-Blitz Power Is Everything Joined: Posts: 152
    I recently purchased a Joytron EXchanger from a seller on Ebay.

    I was having a tough time finding the IST MakeStick Pro on ebay, so I asked the seller if they could list it. The link is below if anyone is interested.
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  • ChangelingChangeling Joined: Posts: 34
    does anyone know how long the tension on the grommets last? I've been using a 2lb spring on my Hayabusa but it's staring to loose it's tension only after a few months. I'm thinking of switching to Korean Joysticks to avoid this.
  • ChangelingChangeling Joined: Posts: 34
    edited June 2015
    @Antonio-o-o thanks man. That was really helpful!
  • Antonio-o-oAntonio-o-o Joined: Posts: 306
    Changeling wrote: »
    @Antonio-o-o thanks man. That was really helpful!

    Ohh, haha, good.. I'm glad that rambling was of use. And I think somewhere along the way of writing that post, I kind of lost track of my paramount point, which was to share that you'd want to find the quality & tension of the Fanta you'd wish to use, from day 1. Honestly, I can't stress that enough--day 1. By that, I'm saying don't find a K stick that hit's all of your major & minor points, but is juuuusssst a bit too 'tight', with the assumption that it'll loosen over the months of playing, because it won't, certainly not in the sense that you're used to. This may ring true for a Japanese stick that rely solely on springs, but try not to readopt that philosophy here.

    So in the beginning, I suggest that whatever K stick you start with, that you now consider that your baseline. Now.. if you want lower resistance from this baseline.. you replace the switches with that of a lower 'gram force', and if you want a higher resistance, you replace the grommet (where applicable) with that of greater hardness (with a now granted option to in combination replace the switches with that of a higher 'gf' operation as well), or even start anew with a different model of K stick (as no two K sticks are alike) when those variations are exhausted. It sounds like that process can get pricey, and it can, but you can purchase a new set of switches & additional grommet for <$20, and for that $20 you'll have a Fanta that now behaves on this almost diametric spectrum of responsiveness than previous. Alternatively, if you wish opt for a lower resistance, you can choose to simply opt for a softer grommet, but to stay in line with my aforementioned point, it's that you want to keep your grommet's relative tension above that of the switches, I can't really advise this.

    Okay.. to drive the point home, don't expect a Fanta to break in with any notable resulting change within the first 6 months. It is better to hone in on that preferred ideal from day one. This also makes your life easier when replacing components down the line as well. As once whatever component of your rig is replaced (actuator, switches, grommet etc.), you'll be back to exactly where you were on day 1 (..that's what you want). This is opposed to the alternative, which is replacing said component and then saying to yourself "okay welp.. after a short 9 month break in period we'll be in business!". So yeah, because of this point, your 'break in' period being negligible, you'll have a joystick with a much longer lifespan than that of most traditional Japanese stick, so it's just good form the get go to pick out that right bowl of porridge.

    Oh, and since I've lightly hit upon the the lifespan of a Fanta, in terms of replacing 'worn out' components, we might as cover that here as well. In order or frequency of replacing, it's likely going to be the switches, grommet, and then actuator.. respectively. Your switches will certainly degrade far, far before the other two; though a simple rotation or rearrangement of the switches can prolong the lifespan (as with any joystick). But it'll be up to years even, before you feel the need to replace the rubber grommet. And the frequency will be less & less frequent with the greater hardness of a grommet you begin with, as the softer the rubber, the more exponentially rapidly, does the rubber further soften (as I've stated in my earlier post), though still a very steady & slow process.

    The other thing about this longer, slower curve of.. we'll call it deviation, or even degradation(?), from day 1, is that the change is ever so gradual, that it doesn't require any adjustment on your part. You're not going to fire it up one evening and it all of sudden feels off from the evening before. That's just not going to happen. With Korean sticks, you 'evolve', for lack of a better word, with the joystick so gradually, that no behavior of the joystick will come as a surprise.
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,622
    ^whenever someone asks me what makes a korean lever different i always refer to the term "organic", exactly because of reasons you pointed out
  • alainveyalainvey Joined: Posts: 290
    Question for anyone, though wazwuz is who I have in mind: when replacing the grommet in a Crown 303-FK with a harder one, can the spring be discarded, or should it be kept? Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, been out of the loop for a while.
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,622
    edited June 2015
    this might help
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    stumbled upon this as I was looking for gersung microsw info.
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 288
    alainvey wrote: »
    Question for anyone, though wazwuz is who I have in mind: when replacing the grommet in a Crown 303-FK with a harder one, can the spring be discarded, or should it be kept? Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, been out of the loop for a while.

    good question. yes you can discarded the spring (especially if you use stock switches). I have try this setup since I run out of omron switches and have to use the stock switches. and I like it (personal preferences)
    the point is, you should try any possible variations/setup to find out which one you like the best. because every player have different preferences.
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  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 288
    alainvey wrote: »
    Question for anyone, though wazwuz is who I have in mind: when replacing the grommet in a Crown 303-FK with a harder one, can the spring be discarded, or should it be kept? Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, been out of the loop for a while.

    yes, u can remove and discarded the spring (especially if you use the stock switches). I use this setup since I run out of omron switches. and I like it (personal preferences).
    you should try any possible variations you can get, and find out which one you like the best.
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