Korean arcade parts discussion

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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,340
    el greco wrote: »
    The non-clear white Crown comes from Joytron EXchanger. They used to sell them separately as "white cone joystick" on ebay and exportprive.com

    Swap out the buttons, and the EXChanger's a great stick.
    From what I get, most of the sticks on this list can use some part swapping.
    So EXChanger's joystick is fine?
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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    el greco wrote: »
    The non-clear white Crown comes from Joytron EXchanger. They used to sell them separately as "white cone joystick" on ebay and exportprive.com
    Looks like they are using a white Taeyoung fanta.

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    I found out that I actually, visited Samduckso's office twise. last summer they didn't have thoose button's. but tbh the crown buttons plastic sucks, good functionality tho.

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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,340
    For those of you who want to modify a existing stick to accept a Fanta joystick,
    The opening needs to be 35mm, in reference the opening for a Sanwa JLF is 24mm.
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  • buyproductbuyproduct Chemist for Hire Joined: Posts: 1,035
    when mounting the sticks with the grommets that stick out, what is mounting height? How much of the grommet has to stick out? Do you mount with the mounting plate flush to the metal panel or do require the use of spacers?
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,340
    buyproduct wrote: »
    when mounting the sticks with the grommets that stick out, what is mounting height? How much of the grommet has to stick out? Do you mount with the mounting plate flush to the metal panel or do require the use of spacers?
    Good Question.
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    Hard to believe it's been 5 years since I made that. Thanks for linking el greco.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,340
    buyproduct wrote: »
    when mounting the sticks with the grommets that stick out, what is mounting height? How much of the grommet has to stick out? Do you mount with the mounting plate flush to the metal panel or do require the use of spacers?
    I scrolled though the page el greco links us and found this
    DJ-Blitz wrote: »
    If you want you can create a spacer from something like wood or MDF to mount the korean stick at the correct height. All I used were some washers stacked on top of one another. The stick is suppose to be mounted with 1 or 2mm of the base protruding from the top of the control panel.
    So about the same under the panel clearance as a Sanwa JLF.
    I don't know the over the panel mounting distance.
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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    you need 2,5 - 3mm above the panel
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,812
    Darksakul wrote: »
    el greco wrote: »
    The non-clear white Crown comes from Joytron EXchanger. They used to sell them separately as "white cone joystick" on ebay and exportprive.com

    Swap out the buttons, and the EXChanger's a great stick.
    From what I get, most of the sticks on this list can use some part swapping.
    So EXChanger's joystick is fine?

    Stick is fine. I normally play on a Myoungshin Fanta and felt no problems on it. The buttons are cheap knockoffs that feel like they try to stand in the middle of Crown and Seimitsus to me. I THINK they are 30mm buttons so they can be swapped for Sanwa, Seimitsu, or GamerFinger.

    @kkolding, what of those Thai switches for the Airbags? I haven't even heard of these mods, and am slightly curious about them. What differences are they between what is usually used in Fantas and Crowns?
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  • aabyssxaabyssx Joined: Posts: 41
    edited May 2015
    I watched JDCR stream yesterday and he was complaining about the parts in the Korean Tekken 7 cabinet (tkjdcr is his twitch channel).
    I wonder what is the opinion of other high level players...
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    How was the Madcatz KE? I wanted to grab one, but I hesistated and the went out of stock.
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    aabyssx wrote: »
    I watched JDCR stream yesterday and he was complaining about the parts in the Korean Tekken 7 cabinet (tkjdcr is his twitch channel).
    I wonder what is the opinion of other high level players...

    I remember playing with Laugh on GGPO years ago and he would always praise Korean parts, he is like the ambassador for that shit lol.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    aabyssx wrote: »
    I watched JDCR stream yesterday and he was complaining about the parts in the Korean Tekken 7 cabinet (tkjdcr is his twitch channel).
    I wonder what is the opinion of other high level players...

    Most top players don't like the Crown 307. everyone is used to play on Fanta airbag sticks

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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,777
    edited May 2015
    aabyssx wrote: »
    I watched JDCR stream yesterday and he was complaining about the parts in the Korean Tekken 7 cabinet (tkjdcr is his twitch channel).
    I wonder what is the opinion of other high level players...

    The Crown CWL-307 is a decent lever by itself but I can understand why he doesn't like it. I believe most if not all stock 307 levers with the upper gate have the Thai switches which are too sensitive especially with the larger actuator and the overall bottom construction. I used Myoungshin for a while and it took me a while to get adjusted to the differences. I did use Gersung switches afterwards which works better by a little bit.

    One quick mod I done was combine the 307's top end with the CWJ-303's bottom. While not Myoungshin-level, the parts balanced out to make it as sort of a Crown interpretation of the popular lever. The 307's gate has smaller travel distance than the 303, which is unnecessarily large for me, and is similar to the Myoungshin's gate; Hell, you can get the CWL-306 and have the gate work as well. The bottom end of the 303 is very similar to the Myoungshin in look. Personally I found it to be better than a Myoungshin. Tension is light but not loose. Engage comes near the end of touching the gate. I can use it with no glaring struggle and do inputs consistently. Your mileage may vary.

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    I also want to update on the Makestick Pro. The ABS body is their take on a Qanba Q3 (the playing panel is likely the same as a Q3 in terms of its size). They offer multiple levers including the Myounshin Fanta, Airbag Lever, Crown CWL and & CWJ, Sanwa JLF, Seimitsu LS-32. As for buttons, they offer a custom service of assorted Sanwa, Seimitsu or those knock off buttons. They have a PS4 version which includes a padhacked DualShock 4 and a custom PCB; They can be sold as separate products. Also here is the site.

    Oh yeah Crown also has a new button. Looks like a better version of their CWB-203c buttons.
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,812
    edited May 2015
    Oh yeah, here's my Saulabi mod tutorial.

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    edited May 2015
    Oh yeah, here's my Saulabi mod tutorial.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8CCCEA723C3569E2

    Wow still finding leaf switches (on the joystick) in this day of age.
    Preferred by old school purist for it's soft, silent action. Used in many old 70s and early 80s arcade cabs joysticks and push buttons.
    In some applications a leaf switch is preferred, but the downside is the blades of the leaf switch will bend.
    The more they bend the more they can ware out. The upside of a leaf switch is you can bend it slightly to effect actuation and engagement.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,812
    edited May 2015
    I've heard the leaf switches on those things aren't too bad, but yeah, like you said, durability is an issue. Better to go ahead and swap out the stick and buttons in one fell swoop.

    Even laugh said in his howto that the top priority for the mod was getting rid of the buttons, and the Saulabi stock buttons are trash.

    Putting in a Myoungshin makes all the difference in the word though.

    I'm really considering the getting one of the Myoungshin Airbags though.
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  • loomerloomer Joined: Posts: 32
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?
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  • rygodrygod In Training Joined: Posts: 107
    Good News Everyone!

    Crown 303-FK installed successfully in a HRAP V XBONE!!!

    No dremel required, a tight fit for just one of the connectors, but no clearance issues with the bottom panel or buttons. Some creative wire stacking and screwdriver angles have to be used but nothing daunting.

    But here's the best bit, I GET IT!!!!

    even after reading all about them and seeing youtube vids, nothing prepares a sanwa-addict like me for the feel of these Korean beauties! man o' man!

    I went straight to Raiden in MKX. As soon as I turned off the Directional Inputs option I was teleporting and flying across the screen like a madman 100% of the time. even the cancels and post input options were now possible!

    such a smile broke out across my face as the feeling of frustration began washing away ... now I can just focus on playing the damn game!

    to be fair it took 5 minutes or so trying to use it as a sanwa before i got it. you gotta BAT the bat around!? crazy talk! but sure enough after that everything that I wanted to happen just happened. even how to use the crazy rebound to my advantage quickly became clear. its finally like playing on a D-Pad with no Nintendo thumb! all of a sudden I was pulling off combos and linking strings to special moves that made sense in my head but never manifested in reality until now ... now I could get them out in time!!!

    I'm looking forward to the next 3D fighter now! Bring on T7! GAME ON!

    (thanks to focusattack for having all the needful)

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  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 915
    loomer wrote: »
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?

    They're flat and I love flat buttons. They're not as stylish(?) as sanwa buttons imo. They also seem like they are cheap buttons (they're not) at first glance but I've never had any issue with them. Same can be said for the C buttons as well.
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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    loomer wrote: »
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?
    I used them for several years, there good but Sanwa buttons are abit better, Gamerfinger buttons with blue cherry switches are even better!
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,340
    kkolding wrote: »
    loomer wrote: »
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?
    I used them for several years, there good but Sanwa buttons are abit better, Gamerfinger buttons with blue cherry switches are even better!
    What is your criteria for "abit better"?

    I personally find Sanwa buttons are way too soft.
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  • noobernoober Joined: Posts: 270
    how much of a difference would the Fanta upgrade kit make for a 307?
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  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 915
    For a point of reference I can do a no buffer Kara-demon in 3rd strike more consistently on Korean buttons than sanwa, Seimitsu, or happs.

    If the upgrade kit is the same it'd just be different microswitches and a harder rubber for more resistance. I have the hard version in one of my sticks and I love it. Your mileage may vary.
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  • EvolderekEvolderek Joined: Posts: 112
    noober wrote: »
    how much of a difference would the Fanta upgrade kit make for a 307?

    I don't think it would make much of a difference. The 307 feels like the 303 with the upgrade kit installed and a larger actuator, which made diagonals easier. I have the 307 installed in both my VLX and Hrap Kai. I really like the feeling of it.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    edited May 2015
    What is your criteria for "abit better"?

    I personally find Sanwa buttons are way too soft.

    Sanwa buttons felt better quality wise and more consistent.
    Crown's are of poor quality, had several of the buttons brake easily, even plastic chipping off. the feel between buttons would variate often.

    Crown 203 buttons are great, if they all are working and all have the same feel. I used to love theese buttons more then sanwas, but it pissed me off that I had to put in new buttons all the time.

    Gamerfinger took me a while to get adjusted to, because they are so accurate. But the feel and the physical click is very satisfying, best buttons i have ever used!
    noober wrote: »
    how much of a difference would the Fanta upgrade kit make for a 307?
    Crown 303 and 307 are very different, at least too me! in 2D games you properly wouldn't feel much of a difference, but with Tekken the 303 felt far better!
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  • AmerikaAmerika Something witty here. Joined: Posts: 417
    kkolding wrote: »
    loomer wrote: »
    I'm really curious about trying some Crown CWB203As. What do people think of them? How would you compare them to Sanwas?
    I used them for several years, there good but Sanwa buttons are abit better, Gamerfinger buttons with blue cherry switches are even better!

    The main issue with Gamerfinger buttons that I ran into is that if you change the switches even once you start running into random connection issues. Two of my buttons would sometimes just not work when pressed randomly. Then I ran into the issue where if you hit them just right the buttons would fly out. I was pretty dismayed when a local Fuerte player did a single run-stop and two buttons came flying out. Then we got all of them to do it.

    So yeah, watch out for those things. Oh, I also had the reds and the blues and much preferred the reds for consistency. The tactile bump of the blues just didn't jive well with me. But, I also had random drop issues too so maybe it was that. If Gamerfinger ever makes a version where you can't swap out the stems and removes the issues I outlined then I would consider them again. But right now I consider them a rather expensive mistake.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,777
    Hey Kkolding, how did you get your Green Arcade lever? I have been trying to get one for a while to use since they feel sorta distinctive to what I used. The white top looks so clean. I guess I have to go to Green myself right? Have you tried their buttons? Reminds me of Gamer Finger blues with Sanwa sensitivity.
  • rygodrygod In Training Joined: Posts: 107
    Crown 303-FK
    installed the FA Fanta Upgrades today. rather easy mod. there was indeed a large loose spring as well as a grommet inside that crown blue and black case!

    feeling the two grommets side by side its hard to perceive the difference, but when combined with the new switches its definitely a noticeable upgrade. in neutral, the actuator is bumping right up against all 4 leaves.

    the standard FK configuration made it very difficult to engage the diagonals, but now I can hit them as easily as the rest. what I like though is they have to be intentional. so no weird jump inputs out of the blue are likely for me anymore! (sorry my execution is still lacking)

    I installed on the xbone hrap V so I tried it out with Killer Instincts Jago. I found it curious that fireballs were fine with QCF but Shoryukens worked out better with Forward then Down in a double tap-hold motion. two inputs instead of 3 to get a SRK? what what what? and more noticeable is that I could get those two inputs in separate taps instead of gripping the lever all the way through it. this is probably old news I guess, but I never noticed this before on sanwas. not sure if this is a KI think or a Korean stick thing. if I get a chance to test on a USFIV machine I will let you know.

    I also did the crown->ball top shaft conversion and used the sanwa clear screw bat top. it measures just slightly higher than the normal crown lever and bat. for those curious the normal sanwa lever shaft with a bat top and screw conversion measures just shorter than both.

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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    Hey Kkolding, how did you get your Green Arcade lever? I have been trying to get one for a while to use since they feel sorta distinctive to what I used. The white top looks so clean. I guess I have to go to Green myself right? Have you tried their buttons? Reminds me of Gamer Finger blues with Sanwa sensitivity.

    They use regular crown Crown CWB203C buttons in green arcade, yea I'm afraid you have to visit green arcade to buy one. usually the arcade owner builds the stick for you on the spot. they charge about 45-50 dollars for the stick. you also more or less have to beg for it lol. they don't like selling the stick.

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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,777
    kkolding wrote: »
    They use regular crown Crown CWB203C buttons in green arcade, yea I'm afraid you have to visit green arcade to buy one. usually the arcade owner builds the stick for you on the spot. they charge about 45-50 dollars for the stick. you also more or less have to beg for it lol. they don't like selling the stick.

    KOFTEKKEN was right then when I had a conversation with him at Strongstyle, it's that hard to get one. Maybe I should buy one off of Nin if he ever goes to EVO again. Iirc, Sweden's JFK got a used one by Nin. Ty for the info! Might as well stick with Myoungshin and modded Crown.
  • VOLDOMVOLDOM Joined: Posts: 142
    Those "Thailand" microswitches are just regular Matsushitas aka Panasonic, (the same Seimitsu micros, but made in Thailand) notice the "M" logo... just saying.
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,812
    VOLDOM wrote: »
    Those "Thailand" microswitches are just regular Matsushitas aka Panasonic, (the same Seimitsu micros, but made in Thailand) notice the "M" logo... just saying.

    Oh God I love Seimitsu switches, so I definitely think I ought to get one of the Airbag sticks.
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  • AznSensation45AznSensation45 Joined: Posts: 14
    So what are the options of getting a full Korean stick now since etokki is sold out of Omnis and the saulabis are out of production. I am really interesting in trying out a real fanta as I been using the 303fk with rubber mod but everyone says the myoungshin fanta is way better. Anyone get a chance to look at this? http://www.istmall.co.kr/shop/goods/goods_view.php?goodsno=9992350&category=013 It seems like the new wooden korean stick, but the options for it look really appealing. I can't read Korean, but looks like you can set an option for an airbag fanta.
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  • NyntenNynten Joined: Posts: 9
    I figured this would be the place to ask.

    I've seen a lot of discussion on Korean joysticks and they seem like the kind of thing I'd want, so I was thinking about putting a Crown CWJ-303A on a Qanba Q4. That would work right? From my understanding the 303A is meant to fit in place of a japanese joystick with a korean feel.

    While browsing etokki to find one I came across korean buttons of many makes. How does the feel of korean buttons compare to sanwa? Also, which if any of the korean buttons would easily be slotted in place of the sanwa buttons on the aforementioned Q4?
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