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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    edited February 2017
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    @the phantomnaut Could it be possible for you to make a video review for the RED Lever/Golden Fanta? I think your videos are great and informative, this would really help to make a great lever.

    At the moment, no. I still haven't gone to doing the Kaze and Fujin V2 yet due to other stuff releasing.

    Also since this is a limited run at the moment so it's not the best for me to talk about it to a wider audience. Maybe I will change my mind sooner or later
    slaycruz wrote: »
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Delrin is a type of thermoplastic.
    It is heat, abrasion and corrosive resistant.
    Derlin is resistant to many solvents including petroleum products, and will not melt from acetone
    Derlin is also called a "self lubricating" plastic as it's low coefficient for friction
    and is excellent for actuators.

    I can see Delrin working for a bat top, except for one thing, the Surface would be a hard smooth surface.
    I see PBT (Polybutylene terephthalate) which is often used for high end keyboard keys as a better battop material.

    I mentioned Delrin only because I had one of those dragon bat tops made of delrin but if there's a better material I'm all for it

    I would love to use a custom top like the Green lever but that would increase cost to the production of that as well as adjust the shaft height.

    Hopefully my planned shaft, grommet and actuator combination with a Sanwa top will provide that wiggle that I see in Green levers while still performing similar. The weight of the actuator seems intimidating but who knows?

    I don't mind the added cost if it means we can have a custom red bat-top to fit that bronze shaft. I think making the bat-top would be impossible anyway but I still really think that for this one off project it should be included. I can only find airbags with black bat-tops anyway, that sucks.We need more vaiety and we don't need an off fitting Sanwa bat-top.

    http://imgur.com/a/5wzdE The Green Lever also uses some kind of spacer underneath the switches, it kind of reminds me of a swastika. @wazwuz will this component also be available in the project? I think it is for more support for the micro switches, to keep them flat but i don't know.
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  • jey-arejey-are Intermediate Noob Joined: Posts: 119
    I'm pretty stoked for you guys. I hope everything works out. I think the grommet kits are a great idea that should've happened a long time ago. For crown's too, being that those are the more Japanese mount friendly atm.
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  • jey-arejey-are Intermediate Noob Joined: Posts: 119
    @wazwuz I'd be interested in the grommet package
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  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Project Joined: Posts: 443
    edited February 2017
    @kkolding Wow thank you for the info, do you have the green lever in hand? please measure the diameter of the actuator? is it true 15mm? also the shaft diameter? is it true 7mm.

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    I see that this actuator was used a lot, we can see that it already chipped out by the microswitch actuator. Stainless steel doesn't have self lubricating feature like Bonze, I hope Bronze is more durable than this.


    @all participants
    So here is the actual plan
    [img][/img]golden%20shaft_zps6hucdx71.jpg

    my idea is to make 2 in 1 actuators, so you can flip it to get different diameter. I was thinking about the third actuator which is 17 and 17,5mm. what do you think? so we have 15+15,5mm; 16+16,5mm; 17+17,5mm actuator to choose

    for shaft, the original size is 9mm diameter. I was planning to make 7mm shaft diameter like green lever, but since this project was beyond green lever, I was thinking about making 2 size, 8mm and 10mm diameter. Then for those who like shorter throw like me, we can use 10mm instead.
    so we have 8mm, 9mm (original), and 10mm Shaft diameter.

    for grommet, we have silicone 40 (green color) silicone 50 (blue color) and silicone 60 (red color).

    with this options, we can expand to 54 different configurations (6 Actuator size X 3 Shaft X 3 Grommet) not including switches. this will be the ultimate mod beyond any existing mod. to be honest, I'm not interested in green lever anymore :p.


    @ProgressiveBalance I was to excited about this project, It keeps me thinking all day long, so I used some machine in my workshop to do this project, and make my customer wait :p. so I have to make it quick. I'm afraid I cannot do more mod like mounting plate. I heard Kowal have universal mounting plate for this. btw, your suggestion using bronze is perfect. i have test it couple hours last night, it pay off.


    @jey-are after this project, I will contact Focus attack to bring silicone grommets, or maybe you can order it for me directly, but shipping cost is pretty high. about 20USD to US
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  • jey-arejey-are Intermediate Noob Joined: Posts: 119
    wazwuz wrote: »
    @jey-are after this project, I will contact Focus attack to bring silicone grommets, or maybe you can order it for me directly, but shipping cost is pretty high. about 20USD to US

    I'll wait till you contact FA, and go from there. Thanks.
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  • BullmanceBullmance Joined: Posts: 14
    @wazwuz Unbelievable my man! This looks like the ultimate Korean lever.

    @ProgressiveBalance The Plate converter can be found here for $9.95 to let it fit any hole configuration. Then you can order the battops here.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,867
    edited February 2017
    I am cool with the 2 in 1 actuator but I do wonder if you flip one over, if it will touch the plastic part of the body and affect performance. Otherwise, I like the 15-15.5mm one.

    I personally would still want a 7mm shaft if we can verify that the Green lever is the same.
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Project Joined: Posts: 443
    edited February 2017
    I am cool with the 2 in 1 actuator but I do wonder if you flip one over, if it will touch the plastic part of the body and affect performance. Otherwise, I like the 15-15.5mm one.

    I personally would still want a 7mm shaft if we can verify that the Green lever is the same.

    thanks for the heads up, I will check it. BTW I just Finished Making the Prototype.

    Update:
    Confirmed that the actuator cannot bigger than 15mm, as it will not hit the corner perfectlly. radius of the corener hole of the plastic housing is 15mm.
    for this reason, we cannot use 2 in 1 actuator

    [img][/img]20170225_155017_zpstq6upqkf.jpg

    I have test it using the stock actuator and this 15mm Bronze, it fits perfectly on the corner.
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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 154
    edited February 2017
    I used the 2012 model quite a lot, that's why it's so worn down. I never used the 2014 model that much. I guess because I had started using the MagicStick Fanta Airbag and really liked it, then got my hands on the Fujin V2 and haven't had the time to mess around with new sticks after that.

    @wazwuz As far as measurements, this is what i have:

    Battop lever (white Green Arcade 2014 model) it measures 7mm Ø
    Actuator (Green Arcade 2014 model) measures 14.5 mm Ø
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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    This is coming together nicely. @wazwuz could you include the weight of all the bronze parts. I think it coulld tell us more about the sticks performance when compared to @kkolding's Fujin V2, Green Levers, Airbag and original parts.
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Project Joined: Posts: 443
    kkolding wrote: »
    I used the 2012 model quite a lot, that's why it's so worn down. I never used the 2014 model that much. I guess because I had started using the MagicStick Fanta Airbag and really liked it, then got my hands on the Fujin V2 and haven't had the time to mess around with new sticks after that.

    @wazwuz As far as measurements, this is what i have:

    Battop lever (white Green Arcade 2014 model) it measures 7mm Ø
    Actuator (Green Arcade 2014 model) measures 14.5 mm Ø

    awesome, so could you please measure the diameter of lower part of the actuator?
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  • ChumpyChumpy Joined: Posts: 42
    @wazwuz I have a friend who is interested if you could write another set on me.
  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 410
    edited February 2017
    @wazwuz I see you still have me as "???" I am US, Florida. Please let me know if i should msg you with more info. Thank you!
  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 410
    @wazwuz THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN: Include a mounting plate the fits standard Japanese mounting brackets for ease of install. I suggest making the mounting holes on the side of the joystick to save from having to unscrew it and rotate the base. Could you post more pictures throughout the making of the prototype? I think it would be great to see the progress made throughout the build. I hope you are keeping the shaft bronze too that actually looks so dope. Who knows maybe you could use Bronze on the mounting plate too, it would be expensive but look even doper lol. Lastly is this going to be sold alongside the airbag or do you have to get that separately?

    @the phantomnaut Could it be possible for you to make a video review for the RED Lever/Golden Fanta? I think your videos are great and informative, this would really help to make a great lever.

    @hibachifinal @aggro crag @call2arms @slaycruz @rbuniao @lolmark @Chumpy @Ghost Cobra @kodee vu @Bullmance @FightGameGuru @kkolding @DJ-Blitz are you guys writing reviews as well?

    I can sure.
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    edited February 2017
    Which do you think I should buy to go with the shafts, the red Sanwa LB-30N or the clear Sanwa LB-30N CW? Which bat-top is closer to what is found on the Myoungshin or the Green Lever, do any of you know the measurements?

    What micro switches should I try out in my "Golden Fanta/RED Lever" I was thinking of trying out Omrons, Gersungs or other Matsushitas. Also even thinking of putting a stiffer switch in the up direction, what do you guys think

    @hibacchifinal @the phantomnaut this seems like the perfect opportunity to make a chart of measurements for Korean levers.

    @wazwuz What are the three shafts for? Different throw dead-zone etc?

    @kkolding is the stick labled "MagicStick Fanta Airbag" the same as IST's Airbag lever?
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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    Does bronze rust? I just realized this mod will work on the FLF, and from what i know they are the same joystick only with no collar. I could use a Sanwa bat-top with a huge variety of colors or install a metallic ball-top on it and mount it as a secret Korean lever lol. This project is coming together so nicely that it saddens me to think of it as a one off. We should sell this as a complete joystick like the Airbag or the KAZE, whats stopping us?
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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 154
    edited February 2017
    @ProgressiveBalance No the MagicStick were the first to make the "airbag" stick, but they haven't built that model since ~2012. I found a used (PS3)MagicStick case in 2013 at the Yongsan Electronics Market in Seoul Korea. I found out last year that JDCR used the same model, just in an Etokki stick.

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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    edited February 2017
    Is the stick that is sold by IST as good? I dont think MagicStick makes it anymore and if they did it would be too hard to get it.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 154
    Is the stick that is sold by IST as good?

    The IST stick is good, but It's far from the same.

    IST stick does not have 100% Support for the Microswitches where the MagicStick does, and it uses a smaller actuator too.
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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    kkolding wrote: »
    Is the stick that is sold by IST as good?

    The IST stick is good, but It's far from the same.

    IST stick does not have 100% Support for the Microswitches where the MagicStick does, and it uses a smaller actuator too.

    Thanks.
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Project Joined: Posts: 443

    @wazwuz What are the three shafts for? Different throw dead-zone etc?

    Yes. Since the "gate" for fanta is the collar. Changing the shaft diameter will change the throw distance.

    For death zone, it depends on the size of the actuator.

    @ProgressiveBalance Bronze never rust.
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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    wazwuz wrote: »

    @wazwuz What are the three shafts for? Different throw dead-zone etc?

    Yes. Since the "gate" for fanta is the collar. Changing the shaft diameter will change the throw distance.

    For death zone, it depends on the size of the actuator.

    @ProgressiveBalance Bronze never rust.

    Thanks. I have another suggestion for the "Golden Fanta/RED Lever". The Green Lever and the MagicStick Airbag Lever have support underneath the micro-switches. Maybe this should be included for the project. I know it's a bit late now that you have finished the prototype but i think it will make this the best lever you can buy.
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    Could someone tell me the difference between the Myoungshin bat top and with the standard and clear Sanwa bat top?
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Project Joined: Posts: 443
    wazwuz wrote: »

    @wazwuz What are the three shafts for? Different throw dead-zone etc?

    Yes. Since the "gate" for fanta is the collar. Changing the shaft diameter will change the throw distance.

    For death zone, it depends on the size of the actuator.

    @ProgressiveBalance Bronze never rust.

    Thanks. I have another suggestion for the "Golden Fanta/RED Lever". The Green Lever and the MagicStick Airbag Lever have support underneath the micro-switches. Maybe this should be included for the project. I know it's a bit late now that you have finished the prototype but i think it will make this the best lever you can buy.

    I don't know how support under microswitch will effect the performance, could someone tell me?. I think top support is enough to maintain the switches to be steady under pressure.
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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 154
    @wazwuz The microswitches have support underneath is to make sure that when tightening the microswitch to the Myoungshin Fanta case, is to ensure that the microswitch will be at 90-degree angle. The Standard Myoungshin Fanta does not have this feature. Microswitches can quickly wear down or loosen op.

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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    edited February 2017
    kkolding wrote: »
    @wazwuz The microswitches have support underneath is to make sure that when tightening the microswitch to the Myoungshin Fanta case, is to ensure that the microswitch will be at 90-degree angle. The Standard Myoungshin Fanta does not have this feature. Microswitches can quickly wear down or loosen op.

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    Yeah, this is what I was unsure about thanks @kkolding. @wazwuz I thought that this might be useful and I DM'D him to ask about it. I also think this is what the metal plate on the Fujin V2 is for
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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,867
    @hibacchifinal @the phantomnaut this seems like the perfect opportunity to make a chart of measurements for Korean levers.

    I squeeze time tomorrow to do measurements.
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 242
    edited February 2017
    @The Phantomnaut Great, hopefully in the next few days we can get the "Golden Fanta/RED Lever" finished too.
  • LFOLFO Joined: Posts: 12
    Hey guys!

    Noob question here...

    Is there any place to get a soft myoungshin fanta rubber that would make the performance closer to the one shown in JDCR's Tekken 6 movement demonstration video? https://youtube.com/watch?v=owv11JIMBo4

    and possibly a blue bat top? :D

    Thanks in advance!
  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,320
    Is it possible to get one of the bottom plates like the airbag? Or one of those plexi ones you made a while back @wazwuz ?
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  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Project Joined: Posts: 443
    slaycruz wrote: »
    Is it possible to get one of the bottom plates like the airbag? Or one of those plexi ones you made a while back @wazwuz ?

    I think I can provide the acrylic/plexi one
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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,867
    edited February 2017
    LFO wrote: »
    Hey guys!

    Noob question here...

    Is there any place to get a soft myoungshin fanta rubber that would make the performance closer to the one shown in JDCR's Tekken 6 movement demonstration video? https://youtube.com/watch?v=owv11JIMBo4

    and possibly a blue bat top? :D

    Thanks in advance!

    The soft tension grommets are out of production. The original latex grommets wear out after prolonged use so they eventually get lighter. I heard of ways to loosen tension by forcing it under heat but I haven't tried it to support it. You can either get the Airbag lever or FLF lever from Makestick.com. The Airbag grommet is softer than the stock Myoungshin Fanta and the FLF grommet is a lot lighter than most; maybe a bit too light.

    If you can wait, @wazwuz at Arcade Stick Indonesia is selling silicone grommets at various tensions. The 40g hardness grommet is the lightest he will make.

    Also from my knowledge, there is no normal Korean lever except for the Kaze lever to feature a blue top. That though is a Sanwa battop glued on. The problem with that is the Kaze shaft with the top is heavy so it helps the grommet in being stiff. The FLF lever shaft can fit with the Fanta just fine and works with Sanwa's tops. There is also @wazwuz Golden Fanta project which has custom shafts so you can put a battop.
  • DJ-BlitzDJ-Blitz Power Is Everything Joined: Posts: 159
    wazwuz wrote: »
    BTW, since I like short throw, I try the 10mm shaft last night. and it work perfectly for me. Love it, It can improve my game by faster executions. now I'm getting closer finding my perfect Fanta stick

    Looking forward to trying a 10mm shaft. I imagine it would feel similar to 309mj with it's smaller throat plate.
  • LFOLFO Joined: Posts: 12

    The soft tension grommets are out of production. The original latex grommets wear out after prolonged use so they eventually get lighter. I heard of ways to loosen tension by forcing it under heat but I haven't tried it to support it. You can either get the Airbag lever or FLF lever from Makestick.com. The Airbag grommet is softer than the stock Myoungshin Fanta and the FLF grommet is a lot lighter than most; maybe a bit too light.

    If you can wait, @wazwuz at Arcade Stick Indonesia is selling silicone grommets at various tensions. The 40g hardness grommet is the lightest he will make.

    Also from my knowledge, there is no normal Korean lever except for the Kaze lever to feature a blue top. That though is a Sanwa battop glued on. The problem with that is the Kaze shaft with the top is heavy so it helps the grommet in being stiff. The FLF lever shaft can fit with the Fanta just fine and works with Sanwa's tops. There is also @wazwuz Golden Fanta project which has custom shafts so you can put a battop.

    I guess I'll just scrap the Idea for that...

    On another note, when do you think that Crown is going release the 'Infiltration Special' SDL-301?
    I've read around that its going to be early 2017 (whatever that means...)

    Do you think that they will have the Frosted translucent white that he uses for sale?...

    I wonder if its going to fit in my Omni... And I hope that its going to be lighter than the Fanta (also hope that the battop is going to be wider than the fanta's)

  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,867
    edited February 2017
    LFO wrote: »

    The soft tension grommets are out of production. The original latex grommets wear out after prolonged use so they eventually get lighter. I heard of ways to loosen tension by forcing it under heat but I haven't tried it to support it. You can either get the Airbag lever or FLF lever from Makestick.com. The Airbag grommet is softer than the stock Myoungshin Fanta and the FLF grommet is a lot lighter than most; maybe a bit too light.

    If you can wait, @wazwuz at Arcade Stick Indonesia is selling silicone grommets at various tensions. The 40g hardness grommet is the lightest he will make.

    Also from my knowledge, there is no normal Korean lever except for the Kaze lever to feature a blue top. That though is a Sanwa battop glued on. The problem with that is the Kaze shaft with the top is heavy so it helps the grommet in being stiff. The FLF lever shaft can fit with the Fanta just fine and works with Sanwa's tops. There is also @wazwuz Golden Fanta project which has custom shafts so you can put a battop.

    I guess I'll just scrap the Idea for that...

    On another note, when do you think that Crown is going release the 'Infiltration Special' SDL-301?
    I've read around that its going to be early 2017 (whatever that means...)

    Do you think that they will have the Frosted translucent white that he uses for sale?...

    I wonder if its going to fit in my Omni... And I hope that its going to be lighter than the Fanta (also hope that the battop is going to be wider than the fanta's)

    Makestick is looking to sell the SDL-301 around April or May if I recall correctly. The only time I seen that particular top was for an earlier prototype from Crown a year or so ago. It might have been a precursor to the SDL-301. I think it might come because they are utilizing a new shaft to work with the body instead of opting for what they have now.

    Judging by the pictures, the top should be fatter. Hopefully it uses the same screw dimensions as Sanwa's. It does have that similar bottom end as Sanwa's top with that funnel-y insert.

    It should fit most Japanese stick mounts.
  • LFOLFO Joined: Posts: 12
    Makestick is looking to sell the SDL-301 around April or May if I recall correctly. The only time I seen that particular top was for an earlier prototype from Crown a year or so ago. It might have been a precursor to the SDL-301. I think it might come because they are utilizing a new shaft to work with the body instead of opting for what they have now.

    Judging by the pictures, the top should be fatter. Hopefully it uses the same screw dimensions as Sanwa's. It does have that similar bottom end as Sanwa's top with that funnel-y insert.

    It should fit most Japanese stick mounts.

    Thanks for the info!

    On the topic of soft Myoungshin Fanta soft rubbers, apparently this is a thing
    makestick.com/us/?menuType=product&mode=view&act=list&page=&searchField=&searchKey=&lcate=010&mcate=&scate=&fcate=&sort=&prodCode=2017013100001&searchIcon6=&searchIcon7=&searchIcon8=&searchIcon9=&searchColor=&searchSize=&pr_no=&searchStartPrice=&searchEndPrice=
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