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  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 161
    I really like the OMRON switches with the cone actuator and the biggest shaft. For a short throw and switch engage, this works pretty well for 2D and 3D fighters.

    Which Omron switches did you use to get the cone actuator to work?

    https://focusattack.com/sanwa-ms-o-2-187-fastener-micro-switch/

    or

    https://paradisearcadeshop.com/omron-microswitches/1489-omron-drrvg-reed-microswitch.html
  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 161
    Another thing, Focus Attack is now carrying the Makestick Pro Fightstick Case for those who can't afford Jasen's K-Stick Case

    https://focusattack.com/makestick-pro-fightstick-enclosure/
  • MetalWolfMetalWolf Joined: Posts: 9
    So I ended up buying the Fujin V2 from the Makestick website. I'm scared now reading impressions of it being too stiff but can someone convince me it's worth it? I thought that the regular Myoungshin Fanta Airbag was too stiff so is this even stiffer? I'm thinking I'd maybe like the Crown 309helpme instead.
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 238
    rbuniao wrote: »
    Another thing, Focus Attack is now carrying the Makestick Pro Fightstick Case for those who can't afford Jasen's K-Stick Case

    https://focusattack.com/makestick-pro-fightstick-enclosure/

    I think that the people over at Focus Attack either read this thread or read my mind. They even do artwork and plexi for the stick too, you can chose where the option button goes on the plexi on top of that.
  • jey-arejey-are Intermediate Noob Joined: Posts: 83
    Hard to beat $50 something dollar case that can house K-sticks. Sweet move by FA.

    Also, don't forget that aside from Jasen's cases, @Allfightsticks can do Korean mount top panels also for their metal cases. Especially if you already have one already for a Japanese mount, AFS could make you a top metal plate to house K-sticks.

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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 238
    edited April 2
    jey-are wrote: »
    Hard to beat $50 something dollar case that can house K-sticks. Sweet move by FA.

    Also, don't forget that aside from Jasen's cases, @Allfightsticks can do Korean mount top panels also for their metal cases. Especially if you already have one already for a Japanese mount, AFS could make you a top metal plate to house K-sticks.

    I'm just going to use a step drill on my Noir layout Madcatz TEs, much cheaper to reuse a case and its a better case IMO. I would like for companies like Razer and Hori (RIP Madcatz) to just make Korean sticks or Myoungshin compatible out of the box. But thanks to IST we can at least get something close.

    Also, I really want to tryout the new Fighting Layer/EX with a K stick. It will be fun to compare it to Tekken.

    Tekken X Street Fighter EX?
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,738
    rbuniao wrote: »
    I really like the OMRON switches with the cone actuator and the biggest shaft. For a short throw and switch engage, this works pretty well for 2D and 3D fighters.

    Which Omron switches did you use to get the cone actuator to work?

    https://focusattack.com/sanwa-ms-o-2-187-fastener-micro-switch/

    or

    https://paradisearcadeshop.com/omron-microswitches/1489-omron-drrvg-reed-microswitch.html

    Oh it was the one @wazwuz supplied me. It's neither of those and I am lazy to open my stick for what it is.
  • Ghost CobraGhost Cobra Lever Execution Joined: Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    MetalWolf wrote: »
    So I ended up buying the Fujin V2 from the Makestick website. I'm scared now reading impressions of it being too stiff but can someone convince me it's worth it? I thought that the regular Myoungshin Fanta Airbag was too stiff so is this even stiffer? I'm thinking I'd maybe like the Crown 309helpme instead.

    fujin is very stiff, but smooth and accurate.
    You can put a airbag or stock myoungshin grommet to make lighter and still properly enjoy the other modifications. Just make sure you use the (flatter,white) grommet center piece it comes with, or lever will wobble around more in dead space.

    I no longer use crown levers, can't comment on the 309 but~
    If you purchased a Fujin not knowing much about it and a airbag was too stiff for you, that lever might be too high a level.
    someone will buy it off you :>

  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 161
    MetalWolf wrote: »
    So I ended up buying the Fujin V2 from the Makestick website. I'm scared now reading impressions of it being too stiff but can someone convince me it's worth it? I thought that the regular Myoungshin Fanta Airbag was too stiff so is this even stiffer? I'm thinking I'd maybe like the Crown 309helpme instead.

    If you decide not to keep the Fujin V2 I might be interested in it
  • MetalWolfMetalWolf Joined: Posts: 9
    Thanks for the info Ghost Cobra, your post before got me hyped on the Fujin V2 and bought it over the weekend because of you saying how accurate it felt. I'm planning on really diving in and getting gud in Tekken 7 but I also play SF and Marvel. I ended up buying the Crown 309 level as well. I already drilled a hole in my stick for when I had the Myoungshin Fanta Airbag inside.

    rbuniao, I'll let you know if I end up not liking it and and want to sell it.
  • MetalWolfMetalWolf Joined: Posts: 9
    Another question for you Ghost Robo would be is the Fujin V2 your favorite stick and do you use it mainly? If it is or isn't, why is that the case? I'd love to know more about the difference in feel and accuracy.
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 355
    edited April 3
    Golden fanta update:
    I just try "kaze" setup using omron switch V152-1C25 for down direction this weekend. And the result is impressive, the combinations of lower tension of down direction (omron) and higher tension of neighbouring direction (matsushita) works very well. I can do rapid qcf/qcb and executing super in sfv faster using this setup.
    I will make this setup for Golden Fanta retail vesion

    So here is the plan for retail version of golden fanta:

    Long Throw
    8mm shaft; 15.5mm actuator (and 15mm maybe); one omrom switch

    Short Throw
    10mm shaft; 16mm actuator (and revised cone maybe); one omron switch

    Grommets will be available in all tension for seperate purchase.

    What do you think about this? Your input is very important for me to make final retail version.

    I will start producing it in late April. And hope it will be ready on end of mei right before T7 release.
    ArcadeStick-Indonesia.com
  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 161
    A 16mm bronze actuator would be really nice @wazwuz. The stock 16.5 mm fanta actuator is good but I think a revised cone version where it's 16.5 at the widest point and 16mm at the narrowest point would be great. The 10mm shaft is the best thing (for me) ever since receiving and testing the golden fanta mods. Hopefully, later this week, I'll be getting some micro switches that the seller on eBay states that are comparable to the Cherry switches from the old school Happ sticks that I've grown up with in the 90s.
  • Ghost CobraGhost Cobra Lever Execution Joined: Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    MetalWolf wrote: »
    Another question for you Ghost Robo would be is the Fujin V2 your favorite stick and do you use it mainly? If it is or isn't, why is that the case? I'd love to know more about the difference in feel and accuracy.
    it is daily user until I create my best golden fanta set up for TEKKEN
    I loved and used the myoungshin fanta/airbag for years, fujinV2 for me is just a well modded version of a lever I already hold dear.
    the custom switch assembly spacing makes corners wonderful and the fatty clear top gives it a pleasant robust feel.
    It's still a modded myoungshin but those two things stand out for me.
    wazwuz wrote: »

    What do you think about this? Your input is very important for me to make final retail version.

    I will start producing it in late April. And hope it will be ready on end of mei right before T7 release.

    Past week I have been overseas in my father's country for funeral things with no gaming equipment. When I'm back in USA, I
    did want to give the 8mm and 10mm shafts longer play tests. I would be interested in something like a heavier reproduction of the standard actuator size

  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 355
    So I just made a set of cones actuator from 15.5; 16; 16.5; 17mm
    YTI2VnO.jpg

    I have learn that most cones actuator is not good for diagonal input. It is hard to hit diagonal, Because when the actuator reaching the corners, the diameter is getting smaller. Except for the 17mm, i have no issue hitting the diagonal, but the cardinal input is became more sensitive. So I wont make cones actuator for retail version

    Then I try to make 16mm actuator, and using 10mm shaft, it works perfectly. It can hit diagonal without problem. And the enggage distance is perfect for fast execution to the neighboring input. I really enjoy this setup, it helps me performing fast execution with less error.
    I will use this setup for Golden Fanta Short Throw.
    ArcadeStick-Indonesia.com
  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,316
    I've been using the same set up as @Call2Arms and have been enjoying it sonfor now that is my set up as well....I am really hoping for a custom bat top in the near future and trying to see if anyone cane make them but so far the Golden Fanta Kit is awesome just needs the tweaks that others have mentioned and it will be perfect.
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  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 355
    slaycruz wrote: »
    I've been using the same set up as @Call2Arms and have been enjoying it sonfor now that is my set up as well....I am really hoping for a custom bat top in the near future and trying to see if anyone cane make them but so far the Golden Fanta Kit is awesome just needs the tweaks that others have mentioned and it will be perfect.

    Great, this setup is likely to be the Long throw set for Golden Fanta. I will make 15,5mm for myself and try it using 8mm shaft. If the result is good. Then we have the retail setup for golden fanta.

    ArcadeStick-Indonesia.com
  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 404
    edited April 4
    @wazwuz I really don't understand your application of the lighter switch in the DOWN position and calling it the "Kaze"... The Kaze uses a heavier switch (Gersung A3) for the UP direction to prevent accidental jumps and sidesteps when releasing from the crouched (down-back) position. The Gersung A3 is the heaviest in its series. He uses Matsushita mediums on all the others.

    That's not to say what you're doing is wrong. It's just not identical to what Kaze is doing for his lever.

    http://istmall.godohosting.com/Images/kaze lever main.jpg
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,738
    edited April 4
    Update on Crown SDL-301 Infiltration lever.

    n3jmyec.jpg

    Apparently this model is a test model of the 301-DX (deluxe version). I guess this might differ from the normal model? There is a metal ring inside the core body to probably prevent some form of breaking. There are circle and square gates. Also there are two different clear tops: one being a normal looking bat with the other having a flat top end probably to rest your thumb on. You can also notice that the DX uses Gersung switches. No date on the DX model but the normal 301 currently in manufacturing process.

    I do like that clear top. Hopefully works with Golden Fanta shafts!
  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 404
    Update on Crown SDL-301 Infiltration lever.

    Apparently this model is a test model of the 301-DX (deluxe version). I guess this might differ from the normal model? There is a metal ring inside the core body to probably prevent some form of breaking. There are circle and square gates. Also there are two different clear tops: one being a normal looking bat with the other having a flat top end probably to rest your thumb on. You can also notice that the DX uses Gersung switches. No date on the DX model but the normal 301 currently in manufacturing process.

    I do like that clear top. Hopefully works with Golden Fanta shafts!

    Switch support / enclosure with 2 screws for each switch. Really fat shaft ... Is that rubber on the outside of it or just a scuffed up plastic?

    This looks hella unique.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,738
    kodee vu wrote: »
    Update on Crown SDL-301 Infiltration lever.

    Apparently this model is a test model of the 301-DX (deluxe version). I guess this might differ from the normal model? There is a metal ring inside the core body to probably prevent some form of breaking. There are circle and square gates. Also there are two different clear tops: one being a normal looking bat with the other having a flat top end probably to rest your thumb on. You can also notice that the DX uses Gersung switches. No date on the DX model but the normal 301 currently in manufacturing process.

    I do like that clear top. Hopefully works with Golden Fanta shafts!

    Switch support / enclosure with 2 screws for each switch. Really fat shaft ... Is that rubber on the outside of it or just a scuffed up plastic?

    This looks hella unique.

    It's probably plastic for being a test model.
  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 404
    Are they intending to have a full K-mount variant, or just the "MJ"-style hacked collars? Either way, I'm in to try. Just gotta ask.

    Thanks!
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 355
    edited April 4
    kodee vu wrote: »
    @wazwuz I really don't understand your application of the lighter switch in the DOWN position and calling it the "Kaze"... The Kaze uses a heavier switch (Gersung A3) for the UP direction to prevent accidental jumps and sidesteps when releasing from the crouched (down-back) position. The Gersung A3 is the heaviest in its series. He uses Matsushita mediums on all the others.

    That's not to say what you're doing is wrong. It's just not identical to what Kaze is doing for his lever.

    http://istmall.godohosting.com/Images/kaze lever main.jpg

    then I done it wrong lol, I was confused with kaze setup about different switch (harder/lighter) is on bottom position ( which is up input) or the down direction/input, since I never done accidental up input, so I make the opposite decision. Eventually, I made this "mistake", what I did is completely opposite what KAZE did. but, I find the opposite KAZE setup is very enjoyable for Golden Fanta ( I will called it Golden setup for now),. and I want to share my accidental finding.

    Down is pretty important input for FG so getting down input as easy as possible is important, and inputing down before df or db is became much easier, at least for me. The lighter switch will make sure you will hit d first, and since it was lighter, you still have some momentum to hit df and ending it with f. and I still can hit diagonal accurate enough using this golden setup.
    for SFV, I can execute super(double qcf/qcb) quicker using this setup.
    short to say, Golden setup will make you focus on forward and back inputs and don't mind about down input since it was easiest to input. and for up input, nothing change.

    I want to know more about this setup from others and have their opinion as feedback, so I have plan to send an omron switch I am using for this setup and 16mm actuator (for free, since I still have budget left from first beta production) to one of the participant and he will distribute it to all other tester. @Call2Arms could you help us distributing it?

    FYI: today I made the 15.5 and 15 mm actuator, I will try it using it on 8mm shaft after work. this will decide for Long Throw Setup.
    ArcadeStick-Indonesia.com
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,738
    edited April 4
    kodee vu wrote: »
    Are they intending to have a full K-mount variant, or just the "MJ"-style hacked collars? Either way, I'm in to try. Just gotta ask.

    Thanks!

    My best bet is that since Infiltration uses his signature lever like the ones pictured on his Razer Panthera, I doubt a normal Korean mount will happen. That said, if the 301's collars are similar in construction to the 309MJ and even the normal 309, it can be possible to swap them. That's been the case with most of Crown's modern levers.

    If I like the feel of the 301, I might just put a normal 307 or 309 collar.

    What I am not liking is that they both look taller than most Korean levers. I fear that it might not fit on my Makestick Pro.
  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 404
    kodee vu wrote: »
    Are they intending to have a full K-mount variant, or just the "MJ"-style hacked collars? Either way, I'm in to try. Just gotta ask.

    Thanks!

    My best bet is that since Infiltration uses his signature lever like the ones pictured on his Razer Panthera, I doubt a normal Korean mount will happen. That said, if the 301's collars are similar in construction to the 309MJ and even the normal 309, it can be possible to swap them. That's been the case with most of Crown's modern levers.

    If I like the feel of the 301, I might just put a normal 307 or 309 collar.

    What I am not liking is that they both look taller than most Korean levers. I fear that it might not fit on my Makestick Pro.

    Does a Fanta just barely fit in the Makestick?
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,738
    edited April 4
    kodee vu wrote: »
    kodee vu wrote: »
    Are they intending to have a full K-mount variant, or just the "MJ"-style hacked collars? Either way, I'm in to try. Just gotta ask.

    Thanks!

    My best bet is that since Infiltration uses his signature lever like the ones pictured on his Razer Panthera, I doubt a normal Korean mount will happen. That said, if the 301's collars are similar in construction to the 309MJ and even the normal 309, it can be possible to swap them. That's been the case with most of Crown's modern levers.

    If I like the feel of the 301, I might just put a normal 307 or 309 collar.

    What I am not liking is that they both look taller than most Korean levers. I fear that it might not fit on my Makestick Pro.

    Does a Fanta just barely fit in the Makestick?

    A normal Fanta does fit fine. The Fujin lever doesn't because the bottom of the shaft somewhat touches the bottom plate. If you try to slightly push the top+shaft downward, it will scratch the plate. That was with the Makestick Pro's provided plexi spacer. Removing it nullifies the issue but I don't like the collar being too high for my liking.
  • chapelchapel Joined: Posts: 24
    Just a newbie question here, but does the Fanta go out of alignment/sensitivity like the spring switch Happs? I noticed the construction of the actuator was very similar

    https://shop.xgaming.com/collections/arcade-parts/products/arcade-bundle-1-joysticks-10-buttons
    fanta_under__07709.1475536390.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
    vs the one in an X-arcade - https://shop.xgaming.com/collections/arcade-parts/products/arcade-bundle-1-joysticks-10-buttons
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 238
    edited April 4
    This is what @The Phantomnaut was talking about here:http://bbs.ruliweb.com/game/82821/board/read/9413280 Its ugly really IMO. not a fan of a flat bat-top or of a fat plastic shaft. The design differs too much from a conventional K-stick. I only hope it performs well. Interesting that you can choose a gate. I'm a huge fan of square gates.

    @wazwuz, you should try a harder up switch as well as a softer down switch. I think your find is very interesting. I also think that if Kaze know what their doing, than there must be some legitimate reason for having a harder up switch.

    If this Golden Fanta mod could get its own bat-top, it might as well be its own stick. I think it should be sold with a myoungshin as its own stick rather than a mod. Everything Myoungshin has pretty much been replaced, or been thoroughly improved. Were essentially making our own Kaze.
    chapel wrote: »
    Just a newbie question here, but does the Fanta go out of alignment/sensitivity like the spring switch Happs? I noticed the construction of the actuator was very similar

    https://shop.xgaming.com/collections/arcade-parts/products/arcade-bundle-1-joysticks-10-buttons
    fanta_under__07709.1475536390.1280.1280.jpg?c=2
    vs the one in an X-arcade - https://shop.xgaming.com/collections/arcade-parts/products/arcade-bundle-1-joysticks-10-buttons

    That is why the Golden Fanta mod has a Plexiglas "switch support", as well as this new Crown SDL-301 stick. This was briefly discussed a many pages earlier in this thread. The switches aren't even flat on to plastic on the stick. There almost balanced on there by a screw. I think @kkolding said that when they go out of alignment, they begin to wear down the actuator I think he said, i'm not sure. You might have to go and find it. Are you thinking of buying that stick, @chapel?
  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 404
    As I pointed out in my post above ^^^ the reason for the harder "UP" switch is to prevent accidental jumps and/or deflections to up/up-back/up-forward from holding a hard "full crouch" motion in Tekken.

    There are attacks in Tekken that are performed by going into a crouch position and hitting a button immediately following the release from croush ("while standing" or "while rising" moves). Sometimes, a release will result in a deflection of the "up" switch and yield a jumping or other unwanted move. Harder switch prevents that.
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 238
    kodee vu wrote: »
    As I pointed out in my post above ^^^ the reason for the harder "UP" switch is to prevent accidental jumps and/or deflections to up/up-back/up-forward from holding a hard "full crouch" motion in Tekken.

    There are attacks in Tekken that are performed by going into a crouch position and hitting a button immediately following the release from croush ("while standing" or "while rising" moves). Sometimes, a release will result in a deflection of the "up" switch and yield a jumping or other unwanted move. Harder switch prevents that.

    And what @wazwuz was talking about a softer down switch. Would this be bad for wave characters because it will be easier to mess up and hit down as well. I hope we can try out all these setups
    wazwuz wrote: »
    kodee vu wrote: »
    @wazwuz I really don't understand your application of the lighter switch in the DOWN position and calling it the "Kaze"... The Kaze uses a heavier switch (Gersung A3) for the UP direction to prevent accidental jumps and sidesteps when releasing from the crouched (down-back) position. The Gersung A3 is the heaviest in its series. He uses Matsushita mediums on all the others.

    That's not to say what you're doing is wrong. It's just not identical to what Kaze is doing for his lever.

    http://istmall.godohosting.com/Images/kaze lever main.jpg

    then I done it wrong lol, I was confused with kaze setup about different switch (harder/lighter) is on bottom position ( which is up input) or the down direction/input, since I never done accidental up input, so I make the opposite decision. Eventually, I made this "mistake", what I did is completely opposite what KAZE did. but, I find the opposite KAZE setup is very enjoyable for Golden Fanta ( I will called it Golden setup for now),. and I want to share my accidental finding.

    Down is pretty important input for FG so getting down input as easy as possible is important, and inputing down before df or db is became much easier, at least for me. The lighter switch will make sure you will hit d first, and since it was lighter, you still have some momentum to hit df and ending it with f. and I still can hit diagonal accurate enough using this golden setup.
    for SFV, I can execute super(double qcf/qcb) quicker using this setup.
    short to say, Golden setup will make you focus on forward and back inputs and don't mind about down input since it was easiest to input. and for up input, nothing change.

    I want to know more about this setup from others and have their opinion as feedback, so I have plan to send an omron switch I am using for this setup and 16mm actuator (for free, since I still have budget left from first beta production) to one of the participant and he will distribute it to all other tester. @Call2Arms could you help us distributing it?

    FYI: today I made the 15.5 and 15 mm actuator, I will try it using it on 8mm shaft after work. this will decide for Long Throw Setup.

  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 404

    And what @wazwuz was talking about a softer down switch. Would this be bad for wave characters because it will be easier to mess up and hit down as well. I hope we can try out all these setups

    Yes. I know what he tried, which is why I explained what he did wasn't the "Kaze" way, but the opposite. He does like his setup, though, so he's free to use that.

    I don't have a super-soft Omron handy, but I did try Gersung A3s on all directions except for "down". Didn't like it. But A3s are significantly stronger than A2s, Matsushita 200grams, and Omrons.

  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 238
    I was trying to add a different perspective on Softer Down Switches. I understood what your saying. Also i thought all Gersungs V1623As were the same. very helpful. The Golden Fanta Mod needs to look at more switches in the same way we have looked at different diameter actuators down to 0.5mm. i Think each switch should be thoroughly picked as they are an important part of each joystick.
  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 404
    edited April 4
    I was trying to add a different perspective on Softer Down Switches. I understood what your saying. Also i thought all Gersungs V1623As were the same. very helpful. The Golden Fanta Mod needs to look at more switches in the same way we have looked at different diameter actuators down to 0.5mm. i Think each switch should be thoroughly picked as they are an important part of each joystick.

    Yeah, I agree the switches make a big difference here, as do the grommet tensions.

    I typically play on very loose grommets (Makestick's soft version, ASI's green version, crown 25A)... or even looser. This disallowed me from even making use of ASI's large shaft and large actuator. However, stepping up to the dark blue allowed me to use it. Still, fast play on that heavier silicone, even with a shorter throw, would prevent me from playing for hours like I normally do. Some will still prefer it.

    All that being said, every single combination has to be tried before you 100% know what's best. In the end, I think most all high-level players are going to settle on thin / medium shaft and medium actuator.

    The short-throw / heavy tension can be marketed toward newer players who aren't as accurate just yet.

    However, if you're going to make combinations that require a specific type of switch to be decent (very light or very heavy), then you definitely have to take into account your available supply of those switches in order to have a product with long life. If a specific combination requires Matsushita switches to be half-decent, but Matsushita switches become hard to acquire, then probably not the best idea to base a product around them. Gersung A2s are an acceptable replacement, but you get what I'm saying.
  • jey-arejey-are Intermediate Noob Joined: Posts: 83
    I might even try a harder "up" switch out of curiosity. Side steps seem like they would feel different in Tekken, but I'm sure one could adjust.
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  • kodee vukodee vu Joined: Posts: 404
    jey-are wrote: »
    I might even try a harder "up" switch out of curiosity. Side steps seem like they would feel different in Tekken, but I'm sure one could adjust.

    IMO, the difference the harder "up" makes is really not even noticeable during play... Just an insurance policy against deflections and accidental jumps. I don't think you'd have any adjustment issues.
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Lili - Heihachi - Akuma - Evil Ryu - Wolverine - Zero - Scorpion - Baiken - Mitsurugi Joined: Posts: 238
    kodee vu wrote: »
    jey-are wrote: »
    I might even try a harder "up" switch out of curiosity. Side steps seem like they would feel different in Tekken, but I'm sure one could adjust.

    IMO, the difference the harder "up" makes is really not even noticeable during play... Just an insurance policy against deflections and accidental jumps. I don't think you'd have any adjustment issues.

    I hope people are testing this. There is quite a lot to be figured out. The specific combinations of switches should still be crucial to the mod if we want to make the best stick we can, but I hear what your saying.
  • DeadlywolfDeadlywolf Joined: Posts: 91
    wazwuz wrote: »

    And for lighter down switch, it has own trade off actually. Since it is easier to input down, it is not good for movement that need precise diagonal input, like backdashing on sway character (paul, bryan).

    Wouldn't it be better to try having lighter switches for the left and right input. And have heavier switches for up and down?

    That would have to make Korean Backdashing and wavedashing easier because the heavier microswitches would just swing the actuator toward the lighter microswitches.
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Hey guys,

    Was looking to get a silent, levered microswitch. What are my options if any. Any recommendations? Obviously they need to fit the bottom of a K-stick. How pricey do theses things get and has anyone tried this already?
    i just stared at beast for 5 minutes.... hes looking right at me
    like im poongko and i got his money -Jaja Novistro
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta Project Joined: Posts: 355
    Deadlywolf wrote: »
    wazwuz wrote: »

    And for lighter down switch, it has own trade off actually. Since it is easier to input down, it is not good for movement that need precise diagonal input, like backdashing on sway character (paul, bryan).

    Wouldn't it be better to try having lighter switches for the left and right input. And have heavier switches for up and down?

    That would have to make Korean Backdashing and wavedashing easier because the heavier microswitches would just swing the actuator toward the lighter microswitches.

    I was thinking about this setup too, will try it latter
    ArcadeStick-Indonesia.com
  • chapelchapel Joined: Posts: 24
    That is why the Golden Fanta mod has a Plexiglas "switch support", as well as this new Crown SDL-301 stick. This was briefly discussed a many pages earlier in this thread. The switches aren't even flat on to plastic on the stick. There almost balanced on there by a screw. I think @kkolding said that when they go out of alignment, they begin to wear down the actuator I think he said, i'm not sure. You might have to go and find it. Are you thinking of buying that stick, @chapel?

    No, I'm just curious. I just got a Hayabusa and I'm pretty happy with that. But I recently upgraded to this from an X-arcade and my biggest gripe was the switches either moving or the springs getting weak. I saw the construction of these Korean sticks and realized they were very similar
  • MetalWolfMetalWolf Joined: Posts: 9
    Just installed the Crown 309helpme lever and I'm really digging it so far, the reduced tension is more my kind of jam.

    Anyone know if Makestick is on vacation or something? I tried to contact them about 5 days ago and haven't heard a response from them.
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,642
    willing to part with my golden fanta kit, anyone else wanna test it out?
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,738
    MetalWolf wrote: »
    Just installed the Crown 309helpme lever and I'm really digging it so far, the reduced tension is more my kind of jam.

    Anyone know if Makestick is on vacation or something? I tried to contact them about 5 days ago and haven't heard a response from them.

    Yeah that's weird. I am sort of surprised since they added the Crown SDB-201 buttons. Maybe when it's fully available, they might get active again but I am worried though.
  • Ghost CobraGhost Cobra Lever Execution Joined: Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    https://focusattack.com/sanwa-ms-o-2-187-fastener-micro-switch/
    Tried those FA omron on TTT2, man they are way too soft for me, I could barely move correctly
    Made me so upset I actually wanted to throw them across room lol so soft made Nina sidestep up 1 flick to down motion during combos.


    right now I'm at the point were I think i'm just gonna run a stock airbag with the 10mm shaft.
    but I really want the myoungshin battop on it :(
    when I got deeper into switches and actuator combos the lever just felt retarded most of the time to me


    Data I was writing as I tested. random-ish. Might find of interest.
    testing my execution opinions on one 2D and one 3D game VSAV and TEKKEN [POOR] [FAIR] [GOOD] [GREAT] [PERFCT]
    Red grommet is too heavy for my tastes, feels heavier than fujin a bit, and using sanwa small battop feels bad on it. Some players love levers that fight them back, just not me.

    [RED/7mm shaft/14.5 actu]
    TEKKEN: movement was semi good, overthrows on lever made wave dashing errors. I got tired. BDC felt slow cause I hit collar. Nina spits and hayashidas 85% consistant
    14.5actu felt very smooth and I did like that [fair]
    VAMPIRE SAVIOR: dashing sloppy and TK moves hard. got tired. to many handicaps [poor]

    [RED/8mm shaft/15.5 actu]
    TEKKEN: results nearly mirroring 1st set test. 2P wavedash felt harder some reason now and nina execution felt dropped to 80% [fair]
    VSAV: tension and long throw makes game too sloppy [poor]
    Comment: this setup was actually fun on skyblue for tekken

    [RED/10mm shaft/cones actu]
    At this point I had to pause, I was using a Kaze style 3-1 switch setup and the 3 [AM51662C5N] switches were too light and all directions but up [gersung] get stuck. not a fan of that goofy 3-1 anyway, changing to a all [AM51630C69N]. Cones and 17.5 unuseable atm.

    [DARKBLUE/10mm shaft/14.5 actu]
    TEKKEN: could not hit any corners properly. [poor]
    VSAV: same

    [DARKBLUE/10mm shaft/15.5 actu]
    TEKKEN: Perfect electrics became easier, waves felt easier
    nina spits felt slightly harder because of short throw [good]
    VSAV: felt great, a good 2D setup imo [great]
    Comment: these thicker shafts are EWGF cheats I swear

    [DARKBLUE/11mm shaft/14.5 actu]
    TEKKEN: bad [poor]
    VSAV: no corners, can't even dp [poor]

    [DARKBLUE/11mm shaft/15.5 actu]
    TEKKEN: everything works but throw felt too short for comfort. [good]
    VSAV: corners better but still sloppy, playable. [fair]


    [GREEN
    all too mushy and light for me I couldn't step right or move.
    my style is 50-55 range grommet

    SKYBLUE/8mm shaft/stock actu
    TEKKEN: played many games on this enjoyed it a lot
    nice to have extra space to swim around inside collar
    but hitting the gate felt over extended.
    I think players who can uses accurate movements
    without gate slapping will like this shaft. [great]
    VSAV: skipped, throw too long

    SKYBLUE/10mm shaft/stock actu
    TEKKEN: MONEY. feels aggressive and corners don't go bye bye [great]

    anyone brand new to collared KLever imo should get a standard airbag or a helpme(?)
    play for like 2-3 weeks then you know what modifications you need for YOU alone.

    getting a fat shaft, 4 different switch, iron battop, and a ruby actuator 1st is gonna leave you gimpy.


  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 161
    Yeah that's weird. I am sort of surprised since they added the Crown SDB-201 buttons. Maybe when it's fully available, they might get active again but I am worried though.

    $10 per button? Yikes!
  • butterojbutteroj You Are Luminous Joined: Posts: 1,563
    willing to part with my golden fanta kit, anyone else wanna test it out?

    Im game. How much?

     

  • MetalWolfMetalWolf Joined: Posts: 9
    MetalWolf wrote: »
    Just installed the Crown 309helpme lever and I'm really digging it so far, the reduced tension is more my kind of jam.

    Anyone know if Makestick is on vacation or something? I tried to contact them about 5 days ago and haven't heard a response from them.

    Yeah that's weird. I am sort of surprised since they added the Crown SDB-201 buttons. Maybe when it's fully available, they might get active again but I am worried though.

    So I ended up just getting the Fujin V2 in the mail by a complete surprise, they never sent me a tracking number or anything. Either way it was a cool surprise!
  • LordFuLordFu Joined: Posts: 46
    The creativity in this thread is great. I'm looking forward to experimenting with different switches, and I'm hopeful that after-market grommets will become more widely available.

    I've had a Crown 309MJ for a couple weeks, now. The 309 is less fatiguing to use than the 307 I'd been using, but I sometimes miss the longer throw of the 307. I currently have Gersung switches and a 60A rubber grommet on the 309MJ.

    I have the Makestick Viewlix enclosure, a Myoungshin lever, and some 'Sanwa' Omron switches on the way. I hope that the Myoungshin lever lives up to the hype.
  • MetalWolfMetalWolf Joined: Posts: 9
    Just installed the Fujin V2 but replaced the rubber grommet with the one found in the Crown 309helpme as I knew I wasn't gonna like the stiffness of the stock grommet. And wow holy crap is this joystick perfect, inputs feel buttery smooth and the reduced tension makes wavedashing insanely fast to pull off.
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