Korean arcade parts discussion

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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,366
    Korean buttons are 27.5mm, snap-in korean buttons are not an option in a Japanese Arcade stick.
    You might be able to get screw in buttons to work, but they will not be a great fit.

    Korean buttons are stiffer than Sanwa buttons, but then again everything else is stiffer than Sanwas.
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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,779
    So what are the options of getting a full Korean stick now since etokki is sold out of Omnis and the saulabis are out of production. I am really interesting in trying out a real fanta as I been using the 303fk with rubber mod but everyone says the myoungshin fanta is way better. Anyone get a chance to look at this? http://www.istmall.co.kr/shop/goods/goods_view.php?goodsno=9992350&category=013 It seems like the new wooden korean stick, but the options for it look really appealing. I can't read Korean, but looks like you can set an option for an airbag fanta.

    Airbag Fanta that IST has is Myoungshin with Matsushita switches. Personally pretty light to trigger switches unlike a default Myoungshin. I have the wooden stick and spent too much just to find out about the Airbag isnt the true real deal. At least I have a spare PS2 stick.

    That site doesn't ship overseas if I recall correctly and doesn't have PayPal if you were gonna use that. Apparently IST has another site that's for international selling but they don't have the PlayStation 4 Makestick Pro, MDF stick or the PCBs. The site doesn't seem to be fully complete either.
    Nynten wrote: »
    I figured this would be the place to ask.

    I've seen a lot of discussion on Korean joysticks and they seem like the kind of thing I'd want, so I was thinking about putting a Crown CWJ-303A on a Qanba Q4. That would work right? From my understanding the 303A is meant to fit in place of a japanese joystick with a korean feel.

    While browsing etokki to find one I came across korean buttons of many makes. How does the feel of korean buttons compare to sanwa? Also, which if any of the korean buttons would easily be slotted in place of the sanwa buttons on the aforementioned Q4?

    The CWJ-303A/FK should work fine on a Q4. The buttons, I am assuming the CWB-203A, feels sort of loose but has some give into it than Sanwa.
  • NyntenNynten Joined: Posts: 9
    Nynten wrote: »
    I figured this would be the place to ask.

    I've seen a lot of discussion on Korean joysticks and they seem like the kind of thing I'd want, so I was thinking about putting a Crown CWJ-303A on a Qanba Q4. That would work right? From my understanding the 303A is meant to fit in place of a japanese joystick with a korean feel.

    While browsing etokki to find one I came across korean buttons of many makes. How does the feel of korean buttons compare to sanwa? Also, which if any of the korean buttons would easily be slotted in place of the sanwa buttons on the aforementioned Q4?

    The CWJ-303A/FK should work fine on a Q4. The buttons, I am assuming the CWB-203A, feels sort of loose but has some give into it than Sanwa.

    So would CWB-203As slot easily in without any need to modify the case? I'm new to this arcade stick thing and don't want to have to mess with that too much.

    Speaking of more in-depth modifications, if in the future I wanted to use a Myongshin Fanta with a Q4/Fusion, is that at all possible and what sort of changes would I have to accommodate for?

    Thanks for the help.
  • loomerloomer Joined: Posts: 32
    @Nynten Unfortunately, crown buttons aren't an option if your stick has 30mm holes, the standard for Japanese sticks. Crown buttons are a tiny bit smaller, but small enough that they wouldn't stay in place.
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,320
    edited May 2015
    loomer wrote: »
    @Nynten Unfortunately, crown buttons aren't an option if your stick has 30mm holes, the standard for Japanese sticks. Crown buttons are a tiny bit smaller, but small enough that they wouldn't stay in place.


    Previous crown buttons yes....but the new ones that are coming out have a lugnut bolt feature that can secure buttons in a 30mm hole now....I'm just waiting for paradise arcade shop to get them in...which should be soon.
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  • AznSensation45AznSensation45 Joined: Posts: 14
    @The Phantomnaut Thank you very much for the information. I wish I would have known earlier. I was feeling kind of desperate for a korean stick, said screw it and bought the IST MDF stick off of Ebay. I tried to ask for the parts, but the reply was in broken English so we will see what happens. http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-PS3-Joystick-Pro-game-KOF-ARCADE-CONTROLLER-USB-ACTION-TEKKEN-ACTION-GAME-/181524182280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a43af3508 @slaycruz Are the new crown buttons exactly the same as the 203C but with pins now instead of having to solder the buttons on? I am having a hard time looking up info on the new buttons as I am really interesting in trying them out. I have only seen that video of someone installing it and that is about it. He didn't even plug in the QDs.
  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,320

    Here's a video of them being tested...the model number is 207-H....and from what I have read they will have qd's
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  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    edited May 2015
    I've been toying around with the Crown CWL-307F-J-W and the Fanta Crown Upgrade Kit stocked by FocusAttack for the past few week and comparing/contrasting the lot with a Crown 303-FK I’ve had collecting dust. I unfortunately no longer own any Korean sticks proper, so I’m only comparing these three parts against each other and to my distant memories of playing on a Myoungshin Fanta for a few months about a year or two back.

    Comparing the rubber
    All the grommets I own have had less than 2 weeks of wear on them played more or less equally every day for about 40 minutes to an hour apiece. I unfortunately don't have access to any tools that can test the rubber's hardness or how much force it requires to move the joystick in a given direction, so I'm entirely guessing based on feel. From my time with them, the 307’s rubber has the highest tension among the three with the 303’s coming in second, and the Fanta upgrade kit as a close third.

    I’m not sure why the Fanta kit’s rubber is so much more lax than the stock 303 or the 307’s. I was expecting the rubber to provide more tension than at least the 303 as I distinctly remember the 303 having far less tension than the Myoungshin I owned in the past. This might be my memory failing me. Regardless, the low amount of tension from the Fanta kit doesn't feel that great, especially when installed in the 307's body than in the 303's. I’d rather use the stock 303 rubber or, preferably, the 307’s. Unless you specifically desire less tension in your joystick, I’d steer away from buying the rubber grommet from the Fanta upgrade kit.


    Comparing the microswitches
    The three microswitches I had a chance to play with were the Gersung GSM V0323A3 which came stock with my 303-FK, the Gersung GSM V1623A2 which comes with the Fanta Crown Upgrade Kit, and a set of Matsushita AM51630C69N switches that come stock with the CWL-307F-J-W. Testing the three switches against one another, the hardest switches were the GSM V0323A3, followed by the Matsushita switches, and then followed by the Fanta Kit GSM V1623A2 switches.

    I tested the resistance of the three switches relative to one another by pressing the microswitch levers against each other and pushing until one of the two switches gave way. In doing so, I found that the Gersung GSM V0323A3 were by far the hardest of the three as it required far more force to depress than the other two. The Matsushita switches and the GSM V1623A2 switches feel like they are of comparable resistance, with the Gersungs caving in just slightly sooner than the Matsushitas.


    Mix and matching parts
    I tried out every possible combination of microswitch, rubber, and joystick body I had, giving each permutation a full 2 hour session of play apiece across about 5 days of playtime. Regarding rubber, the 307 rubber felt the best in both stick bodies and with all microswitch types, with the 303 coming second and the Fanta kit rubber being less than ideal. I believe a lot of Korean joystick users will agree that generally, higher tension feels better compared to lower tension.

    Using the 303 body, the biggest improvement came from just swapping the Gersungs for the Matsushita switches. I believe the 303-FK units that come with the Mad Catz KE sticks and the ones that Laugh at eTokki sold all came stock with Matsushita switches as well. Even without swapping around the rubber grommets, this helped a lot with the feel of the 303 and helped a lot with punching clean corners. Unlike with both sets of Gersungs, you don’t need to push the lever all the way to the gate in order to activate the diagonals. The Matsushitas, if not activating sooner, at least improve the range of the diagonals.

    With the 307 body, I actually preferred the Gersungs in there, specifically the Gersung GSM V1623A2 switches that come with the Fanta upgrade kit. I don’t know why, but the lower tension of the switch and the larger activation deadzone it has compared to the Matsushita make the 307 feel a lot better. One of the issues I have with the stock 307 is that perhaps because of the enlarged actuator, the activation distance for any given direction is tiny compared to how much I’m used to moving my arm for wavedashing or backdash cancelling in Tekken. I’m obviously guessing here, but to me, the Gersung switches made the 307 feel better.


    Final thoughts
    Playing around with all of this stuff, I’ve come to two conclusions: One, the 303-FK with Matsushita switches and the 307 rubber felt the closest to a Myoungshin that I could get with the parts I had on-hand. It also felt the best out of the combinations I’ve tried, moreso than any of the combinations I had with the 307. However, I think with the 307, it’s probably a matter of getting used to the stick itself. It feels way different from the 303 or a Myoungshin, so maybe I just need to put in some more time and get adjusted.


    This is all just my two cents on the matter. I hope some people with more Korean stick experience can chime in on these parts.
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  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta & Crown Project Joined: Posts: 382
    edited May 2015
    thanks for reviewing our product.
    it is difficult sometimes to determined hardness of a rubber without tools, so this is the current test result using durometer shore A (hardness tester for rubber). this will give most objective data to compare, and you can test it yourself by investing on cheap durometer from ebay.
    ebay.com/itm/Practical-Dia-Shore-Type-A-Hardness-Rubber-Tester-Tire-Tyre-Meter-Durometer-Test-/141250852613?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20e334f705

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    but 40 vs 60 is pretty big difference, and the difference is noticeable without tools. maybe ikagi get harder rubber in his 303 or get defect product from my productions. I have QC every batch by myself, but who knows maybe it slipped away from me
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  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    wazwuz wrote: »
    maybe ikagi get harder rubber in his 303 or get defect product from my productions. I have QC every batch by myself, but who knows maybe it slipped away from me

    Thanks for the insight, wazwuz. I'll add that aside from having less tension than the other two grommets, the Fanta Upgrade Kit grommet I own is otherwise perfectly fine. All the directions have a consistent feel and there is more than enough tension there to center the stick properly. And like all the other rubber grommets, there is little to no deflection to the opposing side when you pull the lever to a given side and let it go. It's still nice to have a softer tension option for people without buff forearms, but here's to hoping that mine was just a single bad apple out of the bunch.
  • DJ-BlitzDJ-Blitz Power Is Everything Joined: Posts: 159
    I recently purchased a Joytron EXchanger from a seller on Ebay.

    I was having a tough time finding the IST MakeStick Pro on ebay, so I asked the seller if they could list it. The link is below if anyone is interested.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAKESTICK-PRO-Gaming-Gadget-Arcade-Joystick-Controller-PS3-PC-For-Fighting-Game-/191589081411
  • ChangelingChangeling Joined: Posts: 34
    does anyone know how long the tension on the grommets last? I've been using a 2lb spring on my Hayabusa but it's staring to loose it's tension only after a few months. I'm thinking of switching to Korean Joysticks to avoid this.
  • ChangelingChangeling Joined: Posts: 34
    edited June 2015
    @Antonio-o-o thanks man. That was really helpful!
  • Antonio-o-oAntonio-o-o Joined: Posts: 331
    Changeling wrote: »
    @Antonio-o-o thanks man. That was really helpful!

    Ohh, haha, good.. I'm glad that rambling was of use. And I think somewhere along the way of writing that post, I kind of lost track of my paramount point, which was to share that you'd want to find the quality & tension of the Fanta you'd wish to use, from day 1. Honestly, I can't stress that enough--day 1. By that, I'm saying don't find a K stick that hit's all of your major & minor points, but is juuuusssst a bit too 'tight', with the assumption that it'll loosen over the months of playing, because it won't, certainly not in the sense that you're used to. This may ring true for a Japanese stick that rely solely on springs, but try not to readopt that philosophy here.

    So in the beginning, I suggest that whatever K stick you start with, that you now consider that your baseline. Now.. if you want lower resistance from this baseline.. you replace the switches with that of a lower 'gram force', and if you want a higher resistance, you replace the grommet (where applicable) with that of greater hardness (with a now granted option to in combination replace the switches with that of a higher 'gf' operation as well), or even start anew with a different model of K stick (as no two K sticks are alike) when those variations are exhausted. It sounds like that process can get pricey, and it can, but you can purchase a new set of switches & additional grommet for <$20, and for that $20 you'll have a Fanta that now behaves on this almost diametric spectrum of responsiveness than previous. Alternatively, if you wish opt for a lower resistance, you can choose to simply opt for a softer grommet, but to stay in line with my aforementioned point, it's that you want to keep your grommet's relative tension above that of the switches, I can't really advise this.

    Okay.. to drive the point home, don't expect a Fanta to break in with any notable resulting change within the first 6 months. It is better to hone in on that preferred ideal from day one. This also makes your life easier when replacing components down the line as well. As once whatever component of your rig is replaced (actuator, switches, grommet etc.), you'll be back to exactly where you were on day 1 (..that's what you want). This is opposed to the alternative, which is replacing said component and then saying to yourself "okay welp.. after a short 9 month break in period we'll be in business!". So yeah, because of this point, your 'break in' period being negligible, you'll have a joystick with a much longer lifespan than that of most traditional Japanese stick, so it's just good form the get go to pick out that right bowl of porridge.

    Oh, and since I've lightly hit upon the the lifespan of a Fanta, in terms of replacing 'worn out' components, we might as cover that here as well. In order or frequency of replacing, it's likely going to be the switches, grommet, and then actuator.. respectively. Your switches will certainly degrade far, far before the other two; though a simple rotation or rearrangement of the switches can prolong the lifespan (as with any joystick). But it'll be up to years even, before you feel the need to replace the rubber grommet. And the frequency will be less & less frequent with the greater hardness of a grommet you begin with, as the softer the rubber, the more exponentially rapidly, does the rubber further soften (as I've stated in my earlier post), though still a very steady & slow process.

    The other thing about this longer, slower curve of.. we'll call it deviation, or even degradation(?), from day 1, is that the change is ever so gradual, that it doesn't require any adjustment on your part. You're not going to fire it up one evening and it all of sudden feels off from the evening before. That's just not going to happen. With Korean sticks, you 'evolve', for lack of a better word, with the joystick so gradually, that no behavior of the joystick will come as a surprise.
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,644
    ^whenever someone asks me what makes a korean lever different i always refer to the term "organic", exactly because of reasons you pointed out
  • alainveyalainvey Joined: Posts: 290
    Question for anyone, though wazwuz is who I have in mind: when replacing the grommet in a Crown 303-FK with a harder one, can the spring be discarded, or should it be kept? Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, been out of the loop for a while.
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,644
    edited June 2015
    this might help
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    stumbled upon this as I was looking for gersung microsw info.
  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta & Crown Project Joined: Posts: 382
    alainvey wrote: »
    Question for anyone, though wazwuz is who I have in mind: when replacing the grommet in a Crown 303-FK with a harder one, can the spring be discarded, or should it be kept? Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, been out of the loop for a while.

    good question. yes you can discarded the spring (especially if you use stock switches). I have try this setup since I run out of omron switches and have to use the stock switches. and I like it (personal preferences)
    the point is, you should try any possible variations/setup to find out which one you like the best. because every player have different preferences.
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  • wazwuzwazwuz Golden Fanta & Crown Project Joined: Posts: 382
    alainvey wrote: »
    Question for anyone, though wazwuz is who I have in mind: when replacing the grommet in a Crown 303-FK with a harder one, can the spring be discarded, or should it be kept? Sorry if this has already been asked and answered, been out of the loop for a while.

    yes, u can remove and discarded the spring (especially if you use the stock switches). I use this setup since I run out of omron switches. and I like it (personal preferences).
    you should try any possible variations you can get, and find out which one you like the best.
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  • JohndiJohndi Joined: Posts: 19
    How good are the Crown CWB203 screw in buttons? I'm considering some for a custom stickless for myself, but will do Seimitsu buttons instead if they are more superior buttons.
  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    Johndi wrote: »
    How good are the Crown CWB203 screw in buttons? I'm considering some for a custom stickless for myself, but will do Seimitsu buttons instead if they are more superior buttons.

    There okay, plastic quality is not so good though, I have had a few where the plastic chips off. but in general a good button, only downside is that you have to solder.

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  • kkoldingkkolding Joined: Posts: 152
    Friend of mine got this from a private seller in Korea, didn't get a picture of the lever it self.
    it's a modified Myoungshin fanta. they call it Fujin =) the lever is clear, looks sanded. and has a silicone rubber spring.
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  • JohndiJohndi Joined: Posts: 19
    kkolding wrote: »

    There okay, plastic quality is not so good though, I have had a few where the plastic chips off. but in general a good button, only downside is that you have to solder.

    Did the plastic plunger chip, or the button casing? I don't mind soldering so much, so that's not a problem. It appears that PAS and eTokki are the only place to purchase these? I checked the B/S/T and didn't stumble across anyone having those specifically, as I surmise that Sanwa and Seimitsu appear to be the gold standard.
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,813
    @Johndi I had the 203C's for a while, and yeah, the casing cracked on me on several of my buttons. I never had my own plungers so I can't say for sure if they will, but YMMV.

    203A's are more durable, I haven't had any crack, but I have had buttons fuse the microswitch together, so be careful if you solder to them.
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    Does anyone have full dimensions for the CWJ-303N?

    There's one pic with dimensions on etokki, but it doesn't segment the height properly, so I don't know how deep the bottom part is, thus making it hard to judge the minimum depth I need to make a custom case without it brushing up against the bottom.
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  • FabamaFabama Progenitor of the walk forward EX Grim Reaper Joined: Posts: 25
    As someone in the United States, is there anywhere that I could purchase the parts required to replicate the Airbag Mod? Procuring the microswitches seems simple enough, but I am unsure of how I would go about getting a hold of the silicone grommet. I'm also assuming that the reinforcement placed underneath the switches is made in-house, as it seems to differ between mods.

    It's a lever that I would really like to try out, but it seems difficult to obtain without living in, or having a direct connection to someone in Korea.
    Tekken is a pretty cool game.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,779
    Does anyone have full dimensions for the CWJ-303N?

    There's one pic with dimensions on etokki, but it doesn't segment the height properly, so I don't know how deep the bottom part is, thus making it hard to judge the minimum depth I need to make a custom case without it brushing up against the bottom.

    Crown has updated dimensions
    . Hopefully this works for you!
    Fabama wrote: »
    As someone in the United States, is there anywhere that I could purchase the parts required to replicate the Airbag Mod? Procuring the microswitches seems simple enough, but I am unsure of how I would go about getting a hold of the silicone grommet. I'm also assuming that the reinforcement placed underneath the switches is made in-house, as it seems to differ between mods.

    It's a lever that I would really like to try out, but it seems difficult to obtain without living in, or having a direct connection to someone in Korea.

    Yeah I had trouble to trying to get the real deal. I attempted to get one with an IST MDF arcade stick which was supposed to include an Airbag. What they gave me is just a Myoungshin with a slightly looser regular grommet and Matsushita switches. :(
  • FattyWinnarzFattyWinnarz Joined: Posts: 328
    Could someone explain the difference between the 303-FK and the 303-N outside of how they're mounted? I'm throwing together a stick just to try Korean parts, so the mounting plate style doesn't matter, so I'd rather I just went with the best feeling stick of the two.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,366
    Could someone explain the difference between the 303-FK and the 303-N outside of how they're mounted? I'm throwing together a stick just to try Korean parts, so the mounting plate style doesn't matter, so I'd rather I just went with the best feeling stick of the two.
    Dev posted a chart somewhere on page one explaining the model numbers
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    That chart only goes over the 307
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,644
    Myoungshin Fanta (the newer version,medium rubber?, akishop sells) does not work well with the GSM-V0323A3 microswitches (used in Crown 303, 300gf, focusattack sells) in my opinion, Diagonals feel really no bueno. just in case someone else was trying that mod.


  • FabamaFabama Progenitor of the walk forward EX Grim Reaper Joined: Posts: 25
    @Missing Person I'd totally be willing to purchase one if you get some together to sell. Keep us posted if you decide to follow through with it.
    Tekken is a pretty cool game.
  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,320
    I'm about to move to Korea, if there's interest, I may see what I can do about procuring and selling the Airbags. There'll probably be some mark-up to the cost to cover my time.

    I'd definitely be interested fasho :D
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  • EvolderekEvolderek Joined: Posts: 112
    I'm about to move to Korea, if there's interest, I may see what I can do about procuring and selling the Airbags. There'll probably be some mark-up to the cost to cover my time.

    I too would be interested in one!

  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,779
    I'm about to move to Korea, if there's interest, I may see what I can do about procuring and selling the Airbags. There'll probably be some mark-up to the cost to cover my time.

    Considered me interested!
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,644
    sign me up as well
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,813
    I'll probably make an interest check thread in a bit.
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  • DEZALBDEZALB "Yamazaki Nigari" Joined: Posts: 599
    I will make a WTT thread later, but ive been playing on my friends stick that has a korean stick in it and i really like it for tekken. THats the only game ive tried it on. Been trying to get by with ls32 for tekken but I want to fit this into one of the t5 cases i have. I have a ls-40 or a ls-40-10 i could trade. both have less than 5 hours on them each. Post here just incase someone tried a kstick and decided it wasnt for them. lol
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