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  • DEZALBDEZALB "Yamazaki Nigari" Joined: Posts: 506
    You can always buy a used omni for about $120 shipped. Thats what i paid for a barely used Korean edition.
  • jey-arejey-are Intermediate Noob Joined: Posts: 39
    I would think another advantage the omni has is it comes with the Brook's Universal Fighting board. So you have cross platform compatibility right off the bat. Js.
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  • UltimateChocolateUltimateChocolate Joined: Posts: 36
    yes it would be useful if he was a ki player or owns an xbox one
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  • slaycruzslaycruz Joined: Posts: 1,304
    jey-are wrote: »
    I would think another advantage the omni has is it comes with the Brook's Universal Fighting board. So you have cross platform compatibility right off the bat. Js.

    It has a Brooks pcb but it's only for the PS4,PS3, and PC...it doesn't come with the UFB unfortunately.
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  • jey-arejey-are Intermediate Noob Joined: Posts: 39
    slaycruz wrote: »
    jey-are wrote: »
    I would think another advantage the omni has is it comes with the Brook's Universal Fighting board. So you have cross platform compatibility right off the bat. Js.

    It has a Brooks pcb but it's only for the PS4,PS3, and PC...it doesn't come with the UFB unfortunately.

    Ah, for real? I could of sworn I seen it on their site, but it's been awhile since I've been on it. My bad.
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  • Sanada-kunSanada-kun Joined: Posts: 655
    Thanks for all the info guys. I don't really like the idea of buying a used stick and yeah if I did get the etokki I would just be using it for T7 on PS4.

    I will most likely just get the 309 thanks again
  • UltimateChocolateUltimateChocolate Joined: Posts: 36
    @Sanada-kun i only buy used sticks from all the sticks.
    i only had one stick of the 20 i had where pcb went out.
    at the time was going to buy a ps360 any at the time.
    it was a round 1 Madcatz TE.
    plus its a good way to try out sticks with out a major lost. which help me find my love , the Eightarc Fusion.
    right now i'm just collecting chun-li te sticks
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  • blankaexblankaex Joined: Posts: 78
    edited May 12
    I want to use a K lever in my HRAP V, here's my plan. Please tell me if there's something wrong/missing.
    • Use a step drill to widen the lever hole for the collar.
    • Similarly cut my plexi and artwork with a craft knife.
    • Swap the mounting plate on the lever with one of those Kowal plate converters with the lever rotated 90 degrees so it fits.
    • Insert some hex nuts or washers or something to space out the lever from the case so it's not too tall.
    It sounds really simple when I write it out, which is why I'm worried I might be overlooking something. Is there anything else I should consider/do? What could go wrong?
  • UltimateChocolateUltimateChocolate Joined: Posts: 36
    fyi if you still decide to use a fanta stick may have to cut the fanta down to size and you'll need lubrication for you step bit.
    (example of how it was cut)
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  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Joined: Posts: 162
    blankaex wrote: »
    I want to use a K lever in my HRAP V, here's my plan. Please tell me if there's something wrong/missing.
    • Use a step drill to widen the lever hole for the collar.
    • Similarly cut my plexi and artwork with a craft knife.
    • Swap the mounting plate on the lever with one of those Kowal plate converters with the lever rotated 90 degrees so it fits.
    • Insert some hex nuts or washers or something to space out the lever from the case so it's not too tall.
    It sounds really simple when I write it out, which is why I'm worried I might be overlooking something. Is there anything else I should consider/do? What could go wrong?
    You might want to mount the kowal plate on top of the stick plate from a Myoungshin. It should mount the lever in your stick at about the right height.
  • blankaexblankaex Joined: Posts: 78
    edited May 12
    fyi if you still decide to use a fanta stick may have to cut the fanta down to size and you'll need lubrication for you step bit.
    (example of how it was cut)
    Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
    blankaex wrote: »
    I want to use a K lever in my HRAP V, here's my plan. Please tell me if there's something wrong/missing.
    • Use a step drill to widen the lever hole for the collar.
    • Similarly cut my plexi and artwork with a craft knife.
    • Swap the mounting plate on the lever with one of those Kowal plate converters with the lever rotated 90 degrees so it fits.
    • Insert some hex nuts or washers or something to space out the lever from the case so it's not too tall.
    It sounds really simple when I write it out, which is why I'm worried I might be overlooking something. Is there anything else I should consider/do? What could go wrong?
    You might want to mount the kowal plate on top of the stick plate from a Myoungshin. It should mount the lever in your stick at about the right height.
    Not a bad idea, thanks for the tip.
    Post edited by blankaex on
  • DEZALBDEZALB "Yamazaki Nigari" Joined: Posts: 506
    @Sanada-kun , its up to you. But buying a used stick means not having to baby it or worry about voiding a warranty. Dont have to drop $200 on something that im going to mod in one way or another. Buying used for me means ill end up spending as much as a new stick in the end, but it will be exactly how i want it.
  • LordFuLordFu Joined: Posts: 23
    edited May 12
    fyi if you still decide to use a fanta stick may have to cut the fanta

    He could have just rotated the mounting plate a quarter turn so that the two sets of holes weren't on the same sides...

  • UltimateChocolateUltimateChocolate Joined: Posts: 36
    i just face palm myself cause i didnt think that and i told someone to do it
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  • blankaexblankaex Joined: Posts: 78
    LordFu wrote: »
    fyi if you still decide to use a fanta stick may have to cut the fanta

    He could have just rotated the mounting plate a quarter turn so that the two sets of holes weren't on the same sides...
    i just face palm myself cause i didnt think that and i told someone to do it
    That was the plan, I wrote it in my first post (´・ω・`)
    Still interested in watching someone else do the mod though
  • DAyalaDAyala Joined: Posts: 12
    Anyone heard any recent news on that Infiltration Korean Stick?
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,692
    edited May 13
    Nope. It was supposed to come soon but nothing. I am always on watch by using Crown's hangul and using google.

    There is that photo of the box which looks a lot fancier than most Crown levers. It has a Metal Gear-esque logo with a guy using a cardboard box and a ! on it.
  • UltimateChocolateUltimateChocolate Joined: Posts: 36
    after i got the 309 i feel i dont need try any other crown stick . only korean stick i want to try now are the fantas
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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,692
    I got a minor update on that purple Crown lever that JDCR, Saint and Kkokkoma have been trying out. Someone who was watching Kkokkoma's stream said this might be version 2 of the 309 Help Me lever. Might be in early test phase so we probably haven't heard much.
  • LordFuLordFu Joined: Posts: 23
    edited May 14
    I received my 309helpme today. It felt a little crunchy, but it's fine after disassembling and reassembling. My 309mj was the same way out of the box.

    I had an extra spring from my 307, so I doubled them up. It feels pretty good this way.

    I do prefer the texture of the Myoungshin battop. I might try to swap them, but I'm not sure if they're compatible.
  • Elston87Elston87 Joined: Posts: 29
    I have some impressions of the Crown 309MJ after spending some time with it, being my first Korean joystick and all:
    • Playing Tekken: It feels like this joystick, Korean joysticks in general, were built for Tekken, if they weren't already. I had such difficulty playing Tekken on my Seimitsu LS-40; I could just never get used to it even if I tried for my life. My first run with the stick and moves were easier to crank out; it feels so buttery smooth, either due to the rubber tension system or the fact that there's no spring or gate, and I can just yank on the stick as fast and as hard as I can to crank out my moves.

      That being said, I sometimes still have trouble finding the corners, but that's something I still have yet to get used to. Otherwise, it flows so nicely when you're doing DP motions and especially half circles; King's Giant Swing comes out in an instant compared to my sloppy execution job on my LS-40.
    • Playing 2D Fighters: No problems here, pretty much the same experience as I had playing Tekken. Half circles are a cinch to execute compared to the LS-40 for me. Yet again, I still have trouble finding the corners, especially the upper corners for jumping; I feel like the sweet spot to hit both switches for the Up-Left or Up-Right directions is a bit awkward, because I'm still used to a gated joystick guiding me to where those hot corners are when I crank out my moves as quick as I can, but I've been getting more used to it as I kept playing and my execution eventually got to be the same, feeling natural once again.
    • Playing Other Arcade Games: I tried out a few of my favorite arcade games, such as Klax and Neo Drift Out. I was curious to try out arcade games with a Korean joystick, as, from what I have seen, every arcade machine in Korea uses a Korean joystick lever, regardless of the game or machine; every control panel had a Korean joystick lever, so I wanted to give it a go.

      Either I'm too used to the LS-40 still, or I feel like the deadzone is way too high for these games that require very quick taps, for example only in two directions. Often times when I'm tapping in either direction, such as moving the paddle to place a tile in Klax by tapping three times quickly to get it to the spot I need it to be, the paddle actually ends up at the 2nd spot instead of the intended 3rd spot, because the joystick didn't trigger the switch from me quickly tapping it to the right direction and it ends up costing me the game, usually. I have to move the stick so much for it to actuate the switch, and I find myself not doing that as I quickly tap on the joystick.

      If there was a way to reduce the deadzone, I would perhaps be more comfortable for using the 309MJ in arcade games, but I find myself missing my LS-40 much more for them instead.

    With the above comments said about the 309MJ's tension and deadzone, how does the 303M compare, if anyone's tested it out? I'd also be curious on how a Fanta feels for classic arcade games. If anyone is able to, try giving Klax a play on a Korean joystick to see if I'm not just used to it still. Shmups would be another good alternative test, I feel, but I've yet to test out a shmup of choice.
  • LordFuLordFu Joined: Posts: 23
    edited May 14
    Crown levers do have a spring.

    I play old school arcade games with my k-sticks, and your observations are right on. For games that require quickly repeated taps, they don't work as well.
  • blankaexblankaex Joined: Posts: 78
    I got a minor update on that purple Crown lever that JDCR, Saint and Kkokkoma have been trying out. Someone who was watching Kkokkoma's stream said this might be version 2 of the 309 Help Me lever. Might be in early test phase so we probably haven't heard much.
    So Saint, JDCR and Infiltration are in Australia for BAM9, and what better to do than to get some answers about their levers?

    Confirmed from JDCR that the purple Crown lever they've been using in arcades is a HelpMe hand-made product, but he's not sure if it's supposed to be a version 2 of the 309-HelpMe. He said maybe.

    As for the Crown SDL-301, Infiltration said it's coming out in June some time. Looks like he lived up to his word - it really is coming out in Early 2017. :^)
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,692
    edited May 14
    blankaex wrote: »
    I got a minor update on that purple Crown lever that JDCR, Saint and Kkokkoma have been trying out. Someone who was watching Kkokkoma's stream said this might be version 2 of the 309 Help Me lever. Might be in early test phase so we probably haven't heard much.
    So Saint, JDCR and Infiltration are in Australia for BAM9, and what better to do than to get some answers about their levers?

    Confirmed from JDCR that the purple Crown lever they've been using in arcades is a HelpMe hand-made product, but he's not sure if it's supposed to be a version 2 of the 309-HelpMe. He said maybe.

    As for the Crown SDL-301, Infiltration said it's coming out in June some time. Looks like he lived up to his word - it really is coming out in Early 2017. :^)

    Oh interesting. I know Help Me has that Makestick-look alike stick he made but it's interesting to make a lever when Crown helped him before. Anything on that Saint lever? Also did they try the SDB-201 buttons?
  • blankaexblankaex Joined: Posts: 78
    blankaex wrote: »
    I got a minor update on that purple Crown lever that JDCR, Saint and Kkokkoma have been trying out. Someone who was watching Kkokkoma's stream said this might be version 2 of the 309 Help Me lever. Might be in early test phase so we probably haven't heard much.
    So Saint, JDCR and Infiltration are in Australia for BAM9, and what better to do than to get some answers about their levers?

    Confirmed from JDCR that the purple Crown lever they've been using in arcades is a HelpMe hand-made product, but he's not sure if it's supposed to be a version 2 of the 309-HelpMe. He said maybe.

    As for the Crown SDL-301, Infiltration said it's coming out in June some time. Looks like he lived up to his word - it really is coming out in Early 2017. :^)

    Oh interesting. I know Help Me has that Makestick-look alike stick he made but it's interesting to make a lever when Crown helped him before. Anything on that Saint lever? Also did they try the SDB-201 buttons?

    I don't have any other info unfortunately. Saint told me he'd make me a lever about 6 months ago but he hasn't brought up the topic for a while lol. Will have to wait and see.
  • VarmintBabyVarmintBaby Joined: Posts: 303
    I was told that a Myoungshin Fanta is better for games like SF5 than a Crown... is that true?
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  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,692
    edited May 14
    I was told that a Myoungshin Fanta is better for games like SF5 than a Crown... is that true?

    Not really. It might differ in minutiae like tension, switches and dead zone. Unless it's like comparing a Fanta with a Crown 307, other Korean levers should work fine in most cases. While I used a Fanta for a while I went to using a Crown 309 in 3D fighters and 2D fighters. Feels great for my hand but might differ for someone else. It ultimately is about personal input.
  • singkoasingkoa Joined: Posts: 9
    I got a minor update on that purple Crown lever that JDCR, Saint and Kkokkoma have been trying out. Someone who was watching Kkokkoma's stream said this might be version 2 of the 309 Help Me lever. Might be in early test phase so we probably haven't heard much.

    http://m.storefarm.naver.com/impanda/products/747336723?NaPm=ct=j2phdjdc|ci=1310e3ce364994c919724b5be0446d9448d6742e|tr=sls|sn=420766|hk=36c7e6524373161c847e319e3f5496b1410d8eb3
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,692
    edited May 15
    singkoa wrote: »
    I got a minor update on that purple Crown lever that JDCR, Saint and Kkokkoma have been trying out. Someone who was watching Kkokkoma's stream said this might be version 2 of the 309 Help Me lever. Might be in early test phase so we probably haven't heard much.

    http://m.storefarm.naver.com/impanda/products/747336723?NaPm=ct=j2phdjdc|ci=1310e3ce364994c919724b5be0446d9448d6742e|tr=sls|sn=420766|hk=36c7e6524373161c847e319e3f5496b1410d8eb3

    What is different between the 1st generation and 2nd generation? I do see that the 2nd generation lever has Panasonic/Matsushita switches while 1st generation had Gersung. Also I guess most of us outside Korea won't be able to buy it easily. The purple top does look nice.
  • singkoasingkoa Joined: Posts: 9
    singkoa wrote: »
    I got a minor update on that purple Crown lever that JDCR, Saint and Kkokkoma have been trying out. Someone who was watching Kkokkoma's stream said this might be version 2 of the 309 Help Me lever. Might be in early test phase so we probably haven't heard much.

    http://m.storefarm.naver.com/impanda/products/747336723?NaPm=ct=j2phdjdc|ci=1310e3ce364994c919724b5be0446d9448d6742e|tr=sls|sn=420766|hk=36c7e6524373161c847e319e3f5496b1410d8eb3

    What is different between the 1st generation and 2nd generation? I do see that the 2nd generation lever has Panasonic/Matsushita switches while 1st generation had Gersung. Also I guess most of us outside Korea won't be able to buy it easily. The purple top does look nice.

    Yes 2nd generation switch is panasonic. I heard that Helpme renovate other thing.
    I don't know detail changes
  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 120
    It seems likely that Focus Attack has been selling the 2nd generation Help Me levers since they only use the Panasonic Switches.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,692
    rbuniao wrote: »
    It seems likely that Focus Attack has been selling the 2nd generation Help Me levers since they only use the Panasonic Switches.

    Maybe but we don't get the purple top.

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  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 120
    True we don't get the purple top offered. Maybe that is exclusive to Switch Arcade over there in Korea (kinda like how the Green Levers are never offered outside the Green Arcade).

    Also, I was wondering what's the progress on the Golden Fanta Project. It seems weeks since there has been some update on it and @wazwuz hasn't been posting as of late.
  • rbuniaorbuniao Joined: Posts: 120
    @hmongbettaman any noticable differences between the first gen and second gen help me levers. I have the 309mj on a couple of my setups and the collared 309 on my Makestick setup and so far I enjoy them over the 307.
  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 237
    edited May 16
    only microswitch are changed. they are a little bit more firm than the first gen.

    first gen : Gersung (A2) microswitch
    second gen (purple) : panasonic microswitch, and purple color, the new color for crown sticks
    the rubber is the same
    mini_170515061911844914.jpg

    How is first gen switches on 309 Helpme some Gersung A2 ?? The pic shown for the Helpme 309 on ISTmall shows hinge lever Gersung A4 switches ( official promo pic from Samducksa http://istmall.godohosting.com/Images/309%20lever.jpg ) and the pic shown on Makestick's site features hinge lever Gersung A3 ( http://istmall.godohosting.com/makestick.com/309%20lever(detail).jpg ).

    IMHO there are no "gens" ( you said the Helpme you saw , "first gen" , had A2, but official pics show A3 & A4...) ) and Crown just mounted what they had available at the moment. Replacing gersung by discontinued (since 2015) panasonic switches is a weird move from Samducksa, people won't be able to replicate the feel of the panasonics if the switches are faulty and/or when they'll need to replace them.

    As for being "the best with Tekken" it is probably the best for Helpme to have ultra soft grommets and ...A4 switches as per the model sold by IST, but Infiltration claims the best for him to play Tekken is to have a much stiffer grommet (according to Yo-O on Ruliweb concerning the SDL-301 being fine tuned as we speak) as Infiltration wasn't comfortable with the 309 grommets (25-35A shore hardness) . All just a question of personal taste, as Phantomnaut put it down as well.

    A4 Gersung , as pin plunger model (non levered) , needs 400gram-force to operate, but the force needed to operate when the switch has a hinge lever is not specified for A4 on the Gersung website. Same thing for A3. Reading the charts on the datasheet, it seems that a given hinge lever Gersung has the operating force of the NON levered model which has a reference digit number -1 (according to the values for A1 and A2 levered switches ) : folowing this method, we would get Gersung hinge lever A4 with the operating force of pin plunger (non levered) Gersung A3 which is 300gram force.
    Similarly, Gersung A3 with hinge lever would then have the operating force of non levered Gersung A2 which is 200gram-force.

    English Gersung site only references the A2 and A1 hinge lever models (A3 and A4 custom order only? Korea exclusivity? )

    Panasonic AM5 do not have any hinge lever model over 2.35N ( ~2.40 gram-force) operating force so I highly doubt that the switches in "latest gen" 309 Helme have stiffer switch feel unless we compare with A2 of course.

    Panasonic AM51630C69N, usually seen in recent Crown models, has indeed (according to equivalence in datasheet, AM51632C63N ) 60gf more operating force (total ~180gf) than the hinge lever Gersung A2 (120gf) , but the Gersung A3 and A4 are way beyond the stiffest Panasonics.
    The panasonic in question could be a fake or a custom model, this needs of course confirmation ( "9" digit is also used in Seimitsu's PCB panasonic switches which were probably a custom run, but the "0" in the switches seen in Crown models is a wrong digit that corresponds to a non levered model -see my post on the subject on page 30- ) .
  • hmongbettamanhmongbettaman Joined: Posts: 3
    edited May 16
    OK.

    i have the latest version of the stick i'm happy. and wanted to share with you.
    don't worry and be happy. :)

    i just cameback from SouthKorea.
    HelpMe is one of my best friends ;)



    Thank you rageux
    Post edited by hmongbettaman on
  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 237
    @hmongbettaman

    What a champion is using today may differ from the various iterations offered by the company who produced his signature joystick, so there is no need to take it personally, nor to call anyone a "rageux" ( = ragequitter ). I mean come on man. The only people at fault here are Samducksa and their lack of communication.

    The 309 Helpme promo pics show levered Gersung A4 (Crown + IST websites) and A3 (Makestick site) , I wasn't making that up to create an argument, I even posted the links. This and what is reported about Crown sticks sold today is what led me to think there aren't really any specific gens sometimes. An example of the opacity of the info available: officially Crown Kaze sticks do have different "gen" variations, but even then no mention of it by Samducksa who remains mute, the info was seen on ISTmall's site (IST says latest gen is number 3 , still undergoing testing, but they only offer version 2 for sale) . Nothing is specified concerning the Helpme model, fitted with A4 on their website.

    It wouldn't be the first time that Samducksa fits their sticks with different switches without any official explanations nor any indication in the reference number of their levers . It even happened with actuators: look at the 307 models sold in the past, some were sold with oversized white delrin actuators , others with stock black actuator, but absolutely no official mention of that on Samducksa's website nor in the ref numbers of the joysticks. We just have to deal with it . Most of the useful info came from testers such as Hibal.

  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Joined: Posts: 162
    If I can fit a crown inside a Q1 I can put a Myoungshin in there too right? I'm looking at my Q1 and thinking it needs some love.
  • LordFuLordFu Joined: Posts: 23
    They have very similar dimensions, so it should work.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,692
    edited May 17
    Kaze lever 3 is coming according to Seomyeon Net Arena Naver page. It will be on ISTMall, not sure if they will update on Makestick. Instead of the blue Sanwa bat top, it will be red.

    Hopefully the shaft is taller for better grip. Also the bottom end of the shaft needs to be reduced so it can fit on most Korean stick bodies.
  • FatalFRAMEFatalFRAME Joined: Posts: 102
    DEZALB wrote: »
    You can always buy a used omni for about $120 shipped. Thats what i paid for a barely used Korean edition.

    From E-tokki?
  • GingerWitchGingerWitch Joined: Posts: 16
    fithfith wrote: »
    fithfith wrote: »
    RaishinX wrote: »
    !!Sazabi!! wrote: »
    has anyone ordered from makestick recently and had issues with their order? ive literally been waiting over a month and my order still hasnt shipped. tried contacting them through email and no luck at all.

    Last time I got something from them it only took a week. I have however recently ordered from Gmarket Global a couple weeks ago and I ain't heard shit. Not sure if they got processing issues or what. Even FocusAttack seems to be having trouble getting stuff from Korea from what I can tell.

    Hope they don't get backlogged too badly with T7 on the way....

    i just ordered a stuff from makestick, hope theres no problem on my order..

    I ordered from them last week and had my item in hand by the end of that same week.
    (Probably not usual, but their website isn't defunct or anything. There is someone receiving and shipping the orders.)

    do you received the EMS tracking number from makestick?

    Sorry just saw this.
    I deleted the email already, so no I do not.
    Sorry :(
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Joined: Posts: 162
    I'm interested. Given YOUR OWN preferences, what is the BEST K-Stick. Crown 309 Helpme, Taeyoung, Myoungshin, Kaze etc.
  • The PhantomnautThe Phantomnaut Too obsessive over Korean arcade parts. Joined: Posts: 1,692
    edited May 19
    Kaze lever 3 is out. It does say it's the 2nd version in the description but the pics show a red Sanwa top, a taller shaft, a seemingly larger actuator and four Gersung V1623A3 switches. EDIT: Can't buy it just yet but it should be coming soon.

    I still can't order SDB-201 buttons. :(
  • ProgressiveBalanceProgressiveBalance Joined: Posts: 162
    edited May 19
    @The Phantomnaut Their product description seems to describe a different lever. The description describes a Kaze with the Gersung up switch, but the Image is showing all Gersung switches. I don't like that they removed the 3 Matsushita switches for all Gersungs, but to be honest i don't even think something so small really ever helped in games like Tekken anyway, nevertheless I think we all would love to see a review. HINT HINT
  • AteThePrincessAteThePrincess Joined: Posts: 29
    only microswitch are changed. they are a little bit more firm than the first gen.

    first gen : Gersung (A2) microswitch
    second gen (purple) : panasonic microswitch, and purple color, the new color for crown sticks
    the rubber is the same

    Care to point a fellow enthusiast to where they could purchase one with the sweet purple bat top? I can seemingly find every color except purple.
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